which patient to kick to the curb?

[copobo]

I provide an oz a month free to my patients as well as some free edibles and heavy discounts for additional meds. My wife and I are both patients as well.

Now, if this new legislation goes into effect, can someone tell me how this will work?

I have 7 patients. Obviously, at least 2 will have to go. the way I count now, I am growing for 9 - myself, my wife, and 7 others.

If my wife is not a caregiver, and I am, can we still grow her plants with mine and the ones we'll be growing for the other 5?

And how will you decide who to keep? seniority or need? - ie keep my first patient or keep my poorest or sickest?

and, fyi, I have not ever broken even on my costs. I don't care about making $$.

I really don't understand why a bill to regulate dispensaries should be effecting existing caregiver relationships.

[Zedleppelin]

This is how this bill will hurt patients. Not only will caregivers have to drop the patients that dont use much but the days of offering free meds every month or whatever will end. Right now it is a buyers market and caregivers are bending over backwards to get patients, once everyone is limited to 5 things will turn around 180 degrees.

As far as growing for your wife I think you would have to include her as one of your 5 patients.

[COzigzag]

I provide an oz a month free to my patients as well as some free edibles and heavy discounts for additional meds. My wife and I are both patients as well.

Now, if this new legislation goes into effect, can someone tell me how this will work?

I have 7 patients. Obviously, at least 2 will have to go. the way I count now, I am growing for 9 - myself, my wife, and 7 others.

If my wife is not a caregiver, and I am, can we still grow her plants with mine and the ones we'll be growing for the other 5?

And how will you decide who to keep? seniority or need? - ie keep my first patient or keep my poorest or sickest?

and, fyi, I have not ever broken even on my costs. I don't care about making $$.

I really don't understand why a bill to regulate dispensaries should be effecting existing caregiver relationships.

I am in the same situation. To the best of my knowledge HB10-1284 doesn't state that a patient can no longer grow their own meds. It does state that, "TWO OR MORE PRIMARY CAREGIVERS SHALL NOT JOIN
TOGETHER FOR THE PURPOSE OF CULTIVATING MEDICAL MARIJUANA."

Your wife is not a Caregiver and I'm assuming she has not given that away to you formally.

Heck, I'm still confused about being able to deliver meds to my patients. I think this bill squashes that for some reason too.

[Feijao]

"which patient to kick to the curb?" Outfuckingstanding job Colorado

This is really a fucking shame.....

[milehighkt]

hearing all this really just makes me sick 2 my stomach, its really sad and also scary that the government is dictating everything for us like this when supposedly we are supposed to have the power. :wtf3: i thought colorado was always progressively thinking..

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

I provide an oz a month free to my patients as well as some free edibles and heavy discounts for additional meds. My wife and I are both patients as well.

Now, if this new legislation goes into effect, can someone tell me how this will work?

I have 7 patients. Obviously, at least 2 will have to go. the way I count now, I am growing for 9 - myself, my wife, and 7 others.

If my wife is not a caregiver, and I am, can we still grow her plants with mine and the ones we'll be growing for the other 5?

And how will you decide who to keep? seniority or need? - ie keep my first patient or keep my poorest or sickest?

and, fyi, I have not ever broken even on my costs. I don't care about making $$.

I really don't understand why a bill to regulate dispensaries should be effecting existing caregiver relationships.

they way i understood it (could be wrong) is that if you and your wife are in the same household and are both licensed you would only get your six regardless. you would share your six.

this whole bill is about returning to the street market. i would imagine jail/prison stocks are going to shit so now its time to use bully tactics to get results.

gov listen...ASK NOT WHAT THE PEOPLE CAN DO FOR YOU, ASK YOURSELF WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR THE PEOPLE.

meded so you can mededicate to mededitate

[COzigzag]

Isn't it funny how we all interpret things differently. I'm all ears for different interpretations because I "know" I'm not right all the time.

My interpretation would be that each patient can grow 6 plants and possess 2oz.

Nothing in Amendment 20 mentions if 2 patients live together they have to share 6 plants.

HB10-1284 specifically states that a Center can grow 6 plants for each patient.

Just my take. I'm here to learn!

[Feijao]

Isn't it funny how we all interpret things differently. I'm all ears for different interpretations because I "know" I'm not right all the time.

My interpretation would be that each patient can grow 6 plants and possess 2oz.

Nothing in Amendment 20 mentions if 2 patients live together they have to share 6 plants.

HB10-1284 specifically states that a Center can grow 6 plants for each patient.

Just my take. I'm here to learn!

My interpretation would be that as long as you guys are only patients and not primary caregivers for anyone than you both could grow your 6. As long as you are not providing the medicine to anyone else. Also it seems that it would be illegal for your wife to allow you to smoke her meds (what a joke), unless she became your caregiver and then you couldn't grow any plants at all.


FOR THE PURPOSE OF CULTIVATING MEDICAL MARIJUANA.
27 (c) ONLY A MEDICAL MARIJUANA CENTER OR A PRIMARY
-35- HB10-1284
1 CAREGIVER FOR HIS OR HER PATIENTS OR A PATIENT FOR HIMSELF OR
2 HERSELF MAY CULTIVATE OR PROVIDE MARIJUANA AND ONLY FOR
3 MEDICAL USE; EXCEPT THAT, IF A PRIMARY CAREGIVER IS PROVIDING
4 MEDICAL MARIJUANA TO A PATIENT, THE PATIENT MAY NOT CULTIVATE
5 AND PROVIDE HIS OR HER OWN MEDICAL MARIJUANA.

[Reenster]

This part of the bill is very confusing. My family has 5 patients atm. My husband and myself (I am his caregiver) my son (he is my caregiver) my daughter and her husband. Now hubby and I live together and my daughter and her husband live together. If I read this correctly we will not be able to "pool our resources" to grow.

I guess we will wait to see how this pans out, but atleast we would be under the 30 plant count. Wondering what is the best way to set up caregivers so we can maximize our time space and money.

[oldhaole]

You are not in this for the money. I would keep the poorest and sickest. I would pick my most able bodied and smartest and mentor them. Teach them everything you can. Help them with starts and clones. Keep an eye on their grow and step in if necessary.

Start soon. If the law says you must kick two out of the boat, at least teach them to swim.

[COzigzag]

This part of the bill is very confusing. My family has 5 patients atm. My husband and myself (I am his caregiver) my son (he is my caregiver) my daughter and her husband. Now hubby and I live together and my daughter and her husband live together. If I read this correctly we will not be able to "pool our resources" to grow.

I guess we will wait to see how this pans out, but atleast we would be under the 30 plant count. Wondering what is the best way to set up caregivers so we can maximize our time space and money.

Seems it's a double whammy for you. Page 60 of HB10-1284 states:

(c) A PATIENT WHO HAS DESIGNATED A PRIMARY CAREGIVER FOR
HIMSELF OR HERSELF MAY NOT BE DESIGNATED AS A PRIMARY CAREGIVER
FOR ANOTHER PATIENT.

-AND Page 59-

(b) TWO OR MORE PRIMARY CAREGIVERS SHALL NOT JOIN
TOGETHER FOR THE PURPOSE OF CULTIVATING MEDICAL MARIJUANA.

If it were me, I would make 1 person in your family the primary caregiver for all of you. Make it somebody who actually lives where the grow op is and has not designated another person as their caregiver. You would be legit under the upcoming HB10-1284.

I'm not sure at this point if/when HB10-1284 passes if it automatically removes you as your husband's caregiver since your son is registered as your caregiver. Who knows.

Just CYA!

[Justabloke]

I provide an oz a month free to my patients as well as some free edibles and heavy discounts for additional meds. My wife and I are both patients as well.

Now, if this new legislation goes into effect, can someone tell me how this will work?

I have 7 patients. Obviously, at least 2 will have to go. the way I count now, I am growing for 9 - myself, my wife, and 7 others.

If my wife is not a caregiver, and I am, can we still grow her plants with mine and the ones we'll be growing for the other 5?

And how will you decide who to keep? seniority or need? - ie keep my first patient or keep my poorest or sickest?

and, fyi, I have not ever broken even on my costs. I don't care about making $$.

I really don't understand why a bill to regulate dispensaries should be effecting existing caregiver relationships.

Well the 30 plant limit is one way. If you do the math 5 patients x 6 plants comes to 32 plants but under 1284 you will only be allowed to grow up to 30 plants total. They expect you to take care of 5 people on 30 plants.

This doesn't take into account the patients who can't smoke/vaip and need edibles or rubs that require much larger amounts of plant material to create.

Hopefully we can get this struck down in court!

j

[copobo]

the thing I don't understand is, the 5 patient limit was already struck down in court.

So was local opt-out. How can we have the state constitution that says a patient can choose a caregiver to grow for him or the patient can grow themself - then by local ordnance opt out?

It's like letting localities opt out of freedom of the press or religion.

King Romer and idiots like Spense don't give a damn about our state constitution. They should be removed for forsaking their oath of office.

[COzigzag]

Well the 30 plant limit is one way. If you do the math 5 patients x 6 plants comes to 32 plants but under 1284 you will only be allowed to grow up to 30 plants total. They expect you to take care of 5 people on 30 plants.

This doesn't take into account the patients who can't smoke/vaip and need edibles or rubs that require much larger amounts of plant material to create.

Hopefully we can get this struck down in court!

j

I may be missing something you're trying to convey but 5 x 6 = 30 (not 32). As far as I know, 6 plants has always been the limit per patient. Now we have a limit on patients/caregiver!

[copobo]

I need to find a current copy of this bill, but if it actually says 30 plants in there, it's really limited to 4 patients for caregivers who are patients themselves.

I know six plants sounds like allot to these idiots, but when you consider clones and starting new strains from seed (with a 50/50 male/female ratio) it takes 6+ plants in veg/clone for every 2 or 3 in flower.

[Justabloke]

I may be missing something you're trying to convey but 5 x 6 = 30 (not 32). As far as I know, 6 plants has always been the limit per patient. Now we have a limit on patients/caregiver!

D'oh, yer right! Excuse my bad math. Perfect reason sleep typing should be outlawed! :computerlove1:

My point is the fact that no matter how many you serve you may only have 30 plants total. If you have patients who require more because they have to rely on edibals or tinctures they and you as their caregiver are SOL.

[Justabloke]

I need to find a current copy of this bill, but if it actually says 30 plants in there, it's really limited to 4 patients for caregivers who are patients themselves.

I know six plants sounds like allot to these idiots, but when you consider clones and starting new strains from seed (with a 50/50 male/female ratio) it takes 6+ plants in veg/clone for every 2 or 3 in flower.

Wow great point Copobo! I didn't even stop to think about that.

[COzigzag]

I need to find a current copy of this bill, but if it actually says 30 plants in there, it's really limited to 4 patients for caregivers who are patients themselves.

I know six plants sounds like allot to these idiots, but when you consider clones and starting new strains from seed (with a 50/50 male/female ratio) it takes 6+ plants in veg/clone for every 2 or 3 in flower.

Link to Senate's Rerevised HB10-1284:

http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2010a/csl.nsf/fsbillcont3/0C6B6577EC6DB1E8872576A80029D7E2?open&file=1284_rer.pdf


This is the only reference, page 53, in the rerevised HB10-1284 that specifically addresses "plants." This addresses MMJ Centers only:

(e) TO POSSESS MORE THAN SIX MEDICAL MARIJUANA PLANTS AND
TWO OUNCES OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA FOR EACH PATIENT WHO HAS
REGISTERED THE CENTER AS HIS OR HER PRIMARY CENTER PURSUANT TO
SECTION 25-1.5-106 (6) (f), C.R.S.; EXCEPT THAT A MEDICAL MARIJUANA
CENTER MAY HAVE AN AMOUNT THAT EXCEEDS THE SIX-PLANT AND
TWO-OUNCE PRODUCT PER PATIENT LIMIT IF THE CENTER SELLS TO
PATIENTS THAT ARE AUTHORIZED TO HAVE MORE THAN SIX PLANTS AND
TWO OUNCES OF PRODUCT. IN THE CASE OF A PATIENT AUTHORIZED TO
EXCEED THE SIX-PLANT AND TWO-OUNCE LIMIT, THE CENTER SHALL
OBTAIN DOCUMENTATION FROM THE PATIENT'S PHYSICIAN THAT THE
PATIENT NEEDS MORE THAN SIX PLANTS AND TWO OUNCES OF PRODUCT.

I listened to the Senate Chamber discussion on this bill and they even talked about a 30 plant limit but I don't see anywhere where it is actually in this bill or any other bill. I "think" the Senators were using the number 30 as a hypothetical situation when talking about a caregiver (not somebody who is a patient & caregiver) specifically.

I still think Amendment 20 stands on this. A patient can possess 6 plants total.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it! :D

[GratefulMeds]

My answer is none, I am not sure what I will do in the end but for now I cannot see myself turning down anybody that I am growing for and has supported me. I have patients I have been a caregiver for over 4 years some longer then that, and many more that I have met over the past year. Who's worthy and who's not? What a messed up situation the State has created.:wtf:

[Justabloke]

I am in the same situation. To the best of my knowledge HB10-1284 doesn't state that a patient can no longer grow their own meds. It does state that, "TWO OR MORE PRIMARY CAREGIVERS SHALL NOT JOIN
TOGETHER FOR THE PURPOSE OF CULTIVATING MEDICAL MARIJUANA."

Your wife is not a Caregiver and I'm assuming she has not given that away to you formally.

Heck, I'm still confused about being able to deliver meds to my patients. I think this bill squashes that for some reason too.

There was some debate on just that during 2nd reading Zig. What I took away from it was they were going to enable delievery but I have NO citation on that what so ever. It's only gut feeling. Maybe someone else can chime in with hard facts. I just needed the excuse to whore myself out to you. ROFL

That said, should you need help delivering please see my resume here...
Patient desperately seeking employment. (http://boards.cannabis.com/colorado-co/181797-patient-desperately-seeking-employment.html)

[Justabloke]

In fact, I think that was a big torch that Senator Carroll was carrying.

Yet again, another reason to thank her for her support!


b

[Justabloke]

Link to Senate's Rerevised HB10-1284:

http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2010a/csl.nsf/fsbillcont3/0C6B6577EC6DB1E8872576A80029D7E2?open&file=1284_rer.pdf


This is the only reference, page 53, in the rerevised HB10-1284 that specifically addresses "plants." This addresses MMJ Centers only:

(e) TO POSSESS MORE THAN SIX MEDICAL MARIJUANA PLANTS AND
TWO OUNCES OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA FOR EACH PATIENT WHO HAS
REGISTERED THE CENTER AS HIS OR HER PRIMARY CENTER PURSUANT TO
SECTION 25-1.5-106 (6) (f), C.R.S.; EXCEPT THAT A MEDICAL MARIJUANA
CENTER MAY HAVE AN AMOUNT THAT EXCEEDS THE SIX-PLANT AND
TWO-OUNCE PRODUCT PER PATIENT LIMIT IF THE CENTER SELLS TO
PATIENTS THAT ARE AUTHORIZED TO HAVE MORE THAN SIX PLANTS AND
TWO OUNCES OF PRODUCT. IN THE CASE OF A PATIENT AUTHORIZED TO
EXCEED THE SIX-PLANT AND TWO-OUNCE LIMIT, THE CENTER SHALL
OBTAIN DOCUMENTATION FROM THE PATIENT'S PHYSICIAN THAT THE
PATIENT NEEDS MORE THAN SIX PLANTS AND TWO OUNCES OF PRODUCT.

I listened to the Senate Chamber discussion on this bill and they even talked about a 30 plant limit but I don't see anywhere where it is actually in this bill or any other bill. I "think" the Senators were using the number 30 as a hypothetical situation when talking about a caregiver (not somebody who is a patient & caregiver) specifically.

I still think Amendment 20 stands on this. A patient can possess 6 plants total.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it! :D

I stand corrected; THANKS Zig! :thumbsup:

j

[Justabloke]

Honestly, I think the 5 ppcg is moot because Judge Naves has struck that down time after time. It's a number some unnamed DEA agent came up with off the top of his head.

It's the rest of the bad stuff I worry about.

b

[funkfingers]

How does the state plan on keeping track of all of these different caregivers,and who has how many patients.. They can't even get enough people to keep up with all the applications for mmj.. This is gonna be a mess:wtf:

[Zedleppelin]

Honestly, I think the 5 ppcg is moot because Judge Naves has struck that down time after time. It's a number some unnamed DEA agent came up with off the top of his head.

It's the rest of the bad stuff I worry about.

b

It has only been struck down once and the judge based that decision on the fact that CDPHE did not follow proper procedure when they implemented the 5 patient rule. CDPHE then attempted to follow proper procedure by holding a hearing on it and after the hearing voted against it. It has never been tested in court based on Amendment 20.

[Justabloke]

How does the state plan on keeping track of all of these different caregivers,and who has how many patients.. They can't even get enough people to keep up with all the applications for mmj.. This is gonna be a mess:wtf:

Oh that's easy funk...

They'll screw it up and waist our tax money just like they do everything.


b

[copobo]

when the popo show up and you have 40 plants and no grow license. not allot of paperwork needs to get done.

[oldhaole]

when the popo show up and you have 40 plants and no grow license. not allot of paperwork needs to get done.

Wrong... lots of paperwork needs to get done... Search warrant, Arrest warrant, Jail bond,... then we have all the court filings, charges, motions, interigation reports, police reports, probation reports...lots of paper....trial transcripts, case law, etc. etc.

You still get a free trip to jail.... just lots of paper....and it gives you something to read in jail too. :D

[PolishPotFarmer]

Wow, what a tough question. Very shitty to even be put in this situation.

[copobo]

what's the process to be considered for an appeal to the 5 patient limit?

we need a list of all the unanswered questions. if they are going to regulate, they need to provide the rules and the costs, or else they can't enforce.

[funkfingers]

Went to the meeting kush mag and daily buds put on tonight regarding 1284, from the looks/sound of things these politicians are just as confused in how all this will work as well.. The workshop was a good idea and all, but I walked away with more questions than before I went in.