What to do after the passing of HB 1284 this morning?

[Feijao]

Since the bill just passed is our only hope that the Gunba will shoot it down?

Feijao

[GratefulMeds]

Since the bill just passed is our only hope that the Gunba will shoot it down?

Feijao

I have a meeting with Corry on the 17th, I would like to propose that we all get together and pool our resources and take action. I am not sure how to move forward that is why I am meeting with Corry. I do know we are all stronger if we stand together instead of each of us trying to fight this individually. It would be nice in we don't get caught up in the small stuff but all agree that it is a bad bill that should not be rushed through for the sake of regulation. But should be defeated and lets go back to the drawing board now that we are all a bit wiser on all sides and can come up with good regulation for the industry.

[Adamkadmon]

Please let us know what comes of the meeting. I for one am offering my time for however it may be needed...

You can get a hold of me at [email protected]

[Feijao]

So far everything has passed expect that they accepted the amendment to allow local government to set hours of operation instead of the state.

Just now they approved removing some of the personal info that would be public record for grow licensees.

I also think that they have moved the deadline up to 8/1/10 instead of July.

[Feijao]

Senator Carrol has introduced an anti vertical integration amendment to the bill. Basically allowing growers to grow and dispensaries shop owner to concentrate on running their shop. If this passes it could fuck the entire bill for Romer.

Update:

Did not get approved. :(

[GratefulMeds]

Senator Carrol has introduced an anti vertical integration amendment to the bill. Basically allowing growers to grow and dispensaries shop owner to concentrate on running their shop. If this passes it could fuck the entire bill for Romer.

Sen. Carroll is on our side and we should never forget it.:thumbsup:

[copobo]

if that amendment passes, I bet it'll get vetoed.

[Feijao]

Now Sen Carrol is trying to remove the 5 patient limit for caregivers. She is basically saying with all the other regulations of this bill that capping the number at 5 is unnecessary.

Update:

It got rejected and now we are really fucked :(

[GratefulMeds]

Now Sen Carrol is trying to remove the 5 patient limit for caregivers. She is basically saying with all the other regulations of this bill that capping the number at 5 is unnecessary.

Update:

It got rejected and now we are really fucked :(

they are saying a individual grower or caregiver cannot have over 30 plants, :wtf:

[Feijao]

Now Sen Carrol is trying to remove the 1 year moratorium and removing the ability for local government to allow or disallow dispensaries in their cities/counties. She is sure that it wont pass but would like to be on the record as saying the current bill is unconstitutional.

Update:

[Klonzinc]

What room is this in? Can not find any rooms with aduio going.

[Feijao]

Now Sen Carrol is trying to remove the 1 year moratorium and removing the ability for local government to allow or disallow dispensaries in their cities/counties. She is sure that it wont pass but would like to be on the record as saying the current bill is unconstitutional.

Update:

It got rejected :(

[COzigzag]

What room is this in? Can not find any rooms with aduio going.

Senate Chambers

Will be back at 1:30 to continue reading of HB10-1284.

[Klonzinc]

Senate Chambers

Will be back at 1:30 to continue reading of HB10-1284.

Thanks for the heads up.

[Feijao]

What room is this in? Can not find any rooms with aduio going.

I am here
http://colorado-senate.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=4&event_id=7

[michaelnights]

Sen. Morgan Carroll is really going to bat for patients and caregivers, but sadly she seems to have little support from other senators. These amendments give us an idea how the full senate will vote on the whole bill and it does not look good for us.

[copobo]

so it didn't pass yet?

[Klonzinc]

Sen. Morgan Carroll is really going to bat for patients and caregivers, but sadly she seems to have little support from other senators. These amendments give us an idea how the full senate will vote on the whole bill and it does not look good for us.

Well I guess it is time to protest and stand up, put me down to help and stand up, do not know much about the process other than the little guy always gets fucked, but I am here to help in anyway I can.

[Feijao]

They are not quite done yet. They are in recess until 1:30pm. Either way its not looking good for us.

[COzigzag]

Sen. Morgan Carroll is really going to bat for patients and caregivers, but sadly she seems to have little support from other senators. These amendments give us an idea how the full senate will vote on the whole bill and it does not look good for us.

I agree, Senator Carroll is really putting herself out there. The amendments she proposed were what people testified about and asked them to modify. She listened to the people.

Romer and Spence are diehard against any amendment that changes HB10-1284. They are fighting them tooth and nail.

I'm finding the entire process truly disgusting.

[Feijao]

So does anyone know if they have prohibited a caregiver from helping a patient that are not their own? I didnt hear anything about this during the caregiver portion of the bill this morning. Growing 15 plants the way I do will leave a lot left over if I only have 5 patients. I know that I will not be able to move extra meds to Disp's but I am still unclear on moving extras to patients.

[Feijao]

Spence said a vote for allowing more than 5 patients is a direct vote for Organized Crime. WTF?

[COzigzag]

Spence said a vote for allowing more than 5 patients is a direct vote for Organized Crime. WTF?

WTF is right!

I'm SO tired of hearing Romer talk about the auditors with GUNS and how this bill will get the knuckleheads out of the business.

[headshake]

Spence said a vote for allowing more than 5 patients is a direct vote for Organized Crime. WTF?

LMAO! but if a dispensary pony's up $35,000 and provides 70% of their goods they are legit?

man, i was stoked to be moving to colorado, but now i'm not so sure.


-shake

[Feijao]

Carol is trying to limit the disqualification of operators to only drug felons in the last five years.

Update:

Failed

[throatstick]

Carol is trying to limit the disqualification of operators to only drug felons in the last five years.

Update:

Failed

with all these fails i see i think it's time to show them what fail really is.this is bs reminds me of the movie young guns where the 1 guy was paying everyone off and killing off any other biz that stood in his way.complete bs calling us organized crime.this shows you exactly how they feel about us. in order to look past the "crime" they need to be paid off"35k and 10k for every off site grow".everyone of them need to be out of office we all need to change our emails to these people from being nice to letting them know they will be voted out.

[Feijao]

Sen Renfroe is trying to add an amendment that will close all disps and get MMJ back to the caregiver level. The same one that failed yesterday lol.

Update:

Failed

[Feijao]

Sen Josh Penry is trying to add that there be no sales tax for terminal patients.

Update:

Failed

[Feijao]

Sen Josh Penry is trying to allow employeers to be able to terminate employees for testing positive. Sen Carrol opposed this bill strongly. She is really an advocate.

Update:

Failed (thats a good fail)

[Draconian]

Sen Josh Penry is trying to allow employeers to be able to terminate employees for testing positive.

Update:

Failed (thats a good fail)

Finally....something positive

[Feijao]

Sen Josh Penry with amendment 173 is trying to strike the tax on MMJ all together. Sen Carrol is supporting this amendment as well.

Update:

Passed (wow)

[Feijao]

Sen Spence with amendment 150 is trying to allow edible manufacture to only get trim from 5 dispensaries. Kind of confused on this one it went really fast.

Update:

Passed

[Feijao]

I guess that's that fellas. Looks like its headed to the Governor.

[TheReleafCenter]

Just passed.

[Feijao]

Stomach turned when I heard that gavel drop.

Mike

[Adamkadmon]

Wait...so no more taxes on mmj made it into the bill? Hmmm

[Kartel]

:(:(

[Adamkadmon]

Where can we go to find out how the senators voted so we know who to vote out?

[copobo]

it'll be difficult to fund compliance checks & armed auditors on fees alone.

medicine is not taxable in CO, so it makes sense. If they want that money, it will need to be sold for rec use.

[COzigzag]

Where can we go to find out how the senators voted so we know who to vote out?

Colorado General Assembly (http://www.leg.state.co.us/Clics/CLICS2010A/csl.nsf/BillFoldersHouse?openFrameset)

[TurboALLWD]

Just passed.

"it's only the second reading" Keep calling you're reps and tell them you're going to vote them out :thumbsup::D

[COzigzag]

"it's only the second reading" Keep calling you're reps and tell them you're going to vote them out :thumbsup::D

Did you happen to hear when the third reading was scheduled? I couldn't understand that fast talking speaker.

[TurboALLWD]

Did you happen to hear when the third reading was scheduled? I couldn't understand that fast talking speaker.

No but I heard they have till next tuesday to seal the deal.

[GratefulMeds]

HB1284 Passes Full House on Second Reading

A Report by the Cannabis Therapy Institute

Contact: Cannabis Therapy Institute
1-877-420-4205

{Denver} -- The Colorado state Senate today voted in favor of HB1284 by a
voice vote, with what sounded like only a handful of dissenting votes.
According to Senator Chris Romer (D-Denver), the bill's main sponsor, the
bill will eliminate from 50% to 80% of the current 1,100 dispensaries in
Colorado.

In a surprise vote, the Senate narrowly adopted Amendment 173 to the bill,
proposed by Senator Josh Penry (R-Grand Junction), which would eliminate
the sales tax on medical marijuana. Senator Penry pointed out that 95% of
prescription medicines in the state are not subject to sales tax. Sen.
Penry said it would be "inappropriate, crass and wrong" to take money from
the sick and disabled people who use medical marijuana to help fund other
state programs. Sen. Penry said, "This bill should not be a revenue bill."

Senator Romer said he did not support the amendment to strike the sales tax
because "we're not at the point that we are treating this as medicine."
Sen. Romer said that medical marijuana should be taxed "until we get
evidenced-based medicine" and "until it's like other supplements."

Senator Penry countered that Senator Romer "can't say it's medicinal on one
hand and then on the other say it's not medicinal."

The amendment was adopted by a vote of 18 to 17. Senator Romer, unable to
accept defeat, promised that he would bring the amendment up for another
vote at the Third (and final) Reading of the bill to see if he could get
the full Senate to again approve creating a revenue stream off of the backs
of sick and dying people.

HB1284 will now go to its final vote in the Senate, called the Third
Reading. This has yet to be scheduled. The Third Reading will require a
roll call vote, so the Senators will be forced to go on the record with
their vote.

Senator Joyce Foster (D-Denver) unapologetically pointed out that the bill
was not written for the patients, but rather for the police. "We're basing
this on the public safety model, and not the medical model. If we were
basing it on the medical model, it would be a completely different bill,"
Sen. Foster said.

"This bill seems like it was more about Chris Romer than about medical
patients," says K. Evan Rude, patient advocate for the American Medical
Marijuana Standards Association. "He didn't consult with any medical
professionals or disability activists or patient advocate groups. He
obviously had his own agenda going into this to make the medical marijuana
program a police state that will be operated only by well-funded
dispensaries with little care for the patients. The patients will now pay
more for their medicine and have their access severely restricted. This
bill is so restrictive that it is clearly a blatant violation of patient's
Constitutional rights."

The Cannabis Therapy Institute is urging the state to instead set up a
Commission to study the issue to make sure the needs of the patient are
foremost in any legislation and to make sure this complicated issue gets
addressed properly.

CALL AND EMAIL
Click here to contact your state senators:
Cannabis Therapy Institutue - Medical Cannabis (Marijuana) Research, Education and Advocacy in Colorado (http://www.cannabistherapyinstitute.com/advocacy/contact.colorado.state.legislature.html)

READ THE BILL
Here is a link to the General Assembly Home Page. Look for House Bill 1284.
The versions keep changing, so we cannot provide a direct link.
Colorado General Assembly Home Page (http://www.leg.state.co.us/)

DONATE TO CTI
Support our continued mission of cannabis education, research and advocacy.
Cannabis Therapy Institutue - Medical Cannabis (Marijuana) Research, Education and Advocacy in Colorado (http://www.cannabistherapyinstitute.com/donate.html)

WATCH VIDEO
HB1284 House hearing (5/5/10), posted by Angela Macdonald of the Reefer
Report.
YouTube - CO Senate Hearing HB 1284 PART 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFhQjxiSKEo)

---
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Phone: 877-420-4205
Web: Cannabis Therapy Institutue - Medical Cannabis (Marijuana) Research, Education and Advocacy in Colorado (http://www.cannabistherapyinstitute.com)
Email: [email protected]

[GratefulMeds]

No but I heard they have till next tuesday to seal the deal.

I believe the third reading will take place as soon as tomorrow:(

[NewOptionsWelln]

This bill, and also Boulder city's proposed rules, effectively break up dispensaries into separate departments, which will cost small to medium size dispensaries/centers a lot more to continue operating (I've heard Under 100 patients=10k, 100-300=12,500, 300+ = $18k, State alone).
New Options Wellness is a good example: we grow and make nearly everything but a few edibles, so we would need to purchase a 1) Center License, a separate 2) Infused Product Mfg License, and yet 3) a 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, etc License FOR EACH Growop location, for EACH, city and state! In our case, we grow a percentage too, but we value our multiple smaller growers who we've helped setup professionally, mainly in homes, correctly with great odor control and everything; they grow only for us and so we can tightly control the quality of the product, genetics, etc - this "Artisan" model works great, and our patients appreciate it and stay with us as proof. We make our own Tincture, CannaCaps, concentrates, etc and rent time at a commercial kitchen which also is used for regular food prep - this isn't toxic like, say, trans-fats, and we learned how to cleanup without a trace, when we were 5, I recall.. Most medibles we purchase from independents. SO, in our case and I'd presume dozens or maybe hundeds of others dispensaries who are also fully-integrated like N.O.W., it will require a separate License fee for each of these departments and each independent supplier even IF they are only growing/mfg for us exclusively - so who do you think will have to cough up any fees they can't afford? Last I heard for our medium size the State was considering a $12,500 License, and Boulder at $5000 - MULTIPLIED BY EACH DEPT, so for in Boulder it will be a minimum $52,500 with but a single growop!! Yikes, this changes the game.. IF we or the growers and mfrs have to purchase Licenses for each location, well you get the picture; these are very abusive fees. Does any other industry have to pay so much, and have separate licenses for each department of their biz? I was a builder and Mfr of custom wood products, but I didn't ever have to pay a separate license fee for building, finishing, installing, and selling the product; they're all part of the same business! IF the state and cities pass these rules it'll likely force a lot of "centers" out, or force them to take on equity partners to survive, or charge fees to independent growers to cover them; certainly someone making small batches of brownies will have a really hard time staying alive. The Walmartization direction this is headed will insure only a few are funneled most of the money, and they'll likely drive growers down and push retail prices up for the end-consumer. We would like to see a provision for smaller growers and/or CG's with maybe up to 20 patients get a full exemption from these onerous fees. We cannot afford an extra $4,000 - 6000+ per month, or even $1000/mo, without cutting out say our advertising budget or an employee, but they NEED to realize that MOST of these fees will get passed on to the customer in some way. Some might be able to afford these kind of fees and I've spoken to a few that flatly do not mind it since it WILL kill most of their competition. I'd like to see many smaller neighborhood dispensaries like mom-n-pop shops everywhere - or used to be everywhere, until the Walmarts and Home Depots came in and forced all the small shops out within about a year. Now we all get in the car and drive to distant centers, rather than walk to a more human-scale experience. It seems nobody wants Walmart in their backyard, but the BigBox's alway win out because they can afford the cost of influence. We have a chance to possibly keep the smaller shops around, but these License fees alone WILL change things - that's a ridiculous tax folks... Add up the costs for your little slice of this pie, and let everyone (who has some influence) know how these proposed License Fees are even WAY more than they first sound. Hammer this point!

[Draconian]

This bill, and also Boulder city's proposed rules, effectively break up dispensaries into separate departments, which will cost small to medium size dispensaries/centers a lot more to continue operating (I've heard Under 100 patients=10k, 100-300=12,500, 300+ = $18k, State alone).
New Options Wellness is a good example: we grow and make nearly everything but a few edibles, so we would need to purchase a 1) Center License, a separate 2) Infused Product Mfg License, and yet 3) a 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, etc License FOR EACH Growop location, for EACH, city and state! In our case, we grow a percentage too, but we value our multiple smaller growers who we've helped setup professionally, mainly in homes, correctly with great odor control and everything; they grow only for us and so we can tightly control the quality of the product, genetics, etc - this "Artisan" model works great, and our patients appreciate it and stay with us as proof. We make our own Tincture, CannaCaps, concentrates, etc and rent time at a commercial kitchen which also is used for regular food prep - this isn't toxic like, say, trans-fats, and we learned how to cleanup without a trace, when we were 5, I recall.. Most medibles we purchase from independents. SO, in our case and I'd presume dozens or maybe hundeds of others dispensaries who are also fully-integrated like N.O.W., it will require a separate License fee for each of these departments and each independent supplier even IF they are only growing/mfg for us exclusively - so who do you think will have to cough up any fees they can't afford? Last I heard for our medium size the State was considering a $12,500 License, and Boulder at $5000 - MULTIPLIED BY EACH DEPT, so for in Boulder it will be a minimum $52,500 with but a single growop!! Yikes, this changes the game.. IF we or the growers and mfrs have to purchase Licenses for each location, well you get the picture; these are very abusive fees. Does any other industry have to pay so much, and have separate licenses for each department of their biz? I was a builder and Mfr of custom wood products, but I didn't ever have to pay a separate license fee for building, finishing, installing, and selling the product; they're all part of the same business! IF the state and cities pass these rules it'll likely force a lot of "centers" out, or force them to take on equity partners to survive, or charge fees to independent growers to cover them; certainly someone making small batches of brownies will have a really hard time staying alive. The Walmartization direction this is headed will insure only a few are funneled most of the money, and they'll likely drive growers down and push retail prices up for the end-consumer. We would like to see a provision for smaller growers and/or CG's with maybe up to 20 patients get a full exemption from these onerous fees. We cannot afford an extra $4,000 - 6000+ per month, or even $1000/mo, without cutting out say our advertising budget or an employee, but they NEED to realize that MOST of these fees will get passed on to the customer in some way. Some might be able to afford these kind of fees and I've spoken to a few that flatly do not mind it since it WILL kill most of their competition. I'd like to see many smaller neighborhood dispensaries like mom-n-pop shops everywhere - or used to be everywhere, until the Walmarts and Home Depots came in and forced all the small shops out within about a year. Now we all get in the car and drive to distant centers, rather than walk to a more human-scale experience. It seems nobody wants Walmart in their backyard, but the BigBox's alway win out because they can afford the cost of influence. We have a chance to possibly keep the smaller shops around, but these License fees alone WILL change things - that's a ridiculous tax folks... Add up the costs for your little slice of this pie, and let everyone (who has some influence) know how these proposed License Fees are even WAY more than they first sound. Hammer this point!

Capitalism at its finest.... Love it or leave it I guess. I was never a proponent. I'm no Marxist, but I'm now starting to really see how Capitalism can NOT stand over time....like Marx said. Its just not economical in the long run. I wish I lived in Holland....

[throatstick]

JUST HEARD ON THE NEWS THAT THE WHOLE BILL WAS IN DANGER AS A FEW OF THEM ARE TRYING TO STRIKE THE 70/30 OUT OF THE BILL AND A FEW OTHER THINGS??????

[Justabloke]

HB 1284 did not pass the Senate officially. It only passed 2nd reading. They must have a 3rd and final reading of the bill and it has to go back over to the House because of the amendments the Senate added so it can be voted on by the House as well.

We're getting down to the wire here, friends. Our only chance to keep this from passing is persuade as many House members as we can for a no vote. Get/be on your phones all day tomorrow and day after calling everyone in the house and urge them to vote no. You don't have to be in a district to voice an opinion.

If there were good news; it would be that the Senate, repeatedly, acknowledged the fact that if this bill passes there WILL be litigation. I wouldn't be a bit surprised to find some of our lawyers have already started the paperwork to file as soon as it passes. I think there are several points in the bill that could have it struck down by the court. I'm fairly certain that if/when this passes we'll be back before Judge Naves asking for an injunction.

That said, we do have lots of people (lawyers included) who support this bill and its passage. I don't see their point but I DO see their right to their opinion and to express said opinion...as long as I (we) win! LOL ;)

Yes, we do need regulation in the community. I'm sure we all know one or many people who should be regulated out of existence but we all shouldn't have to pay for a select few people who cause trouble.

I've been attacking this on the basis of math and fire.

If this passes, they will close at least half the disps that's going to put it into the hands of upwards of 20,000 caregivers/grows. With numbers like that, we will have fires. Letâ??s face it, people make mistakes, or worse yet, don't know what they are doing.

The disps, generally, have been doing this or something close for much of their lives, how to do it, and do it well. Taking it out of the hands of the professionals who can take fire suppression precautions, security precautions and can do it in a industrial atmosphere to reduce the risk of growing is a bad idea no matter how you look at it. Then, to have caregivers growing it in confined spaces that pose more of a risk to fire/loss of life just does not make sense. Let the disps do what they do best, dispense meds in a safe and secure atmosphere. Don't force attic grows!

SB 109 did pass the Senate and IS on it's way to the Governor's desk to be signed any day now. While not as bad as 1284; 109 is still unfriendly legislation that will impose limits on MMJ.

I have audio from 2/3 (2ish hours) of the 2nd reading of the bill. As soon as I get it edited (to take out buffering gaps) I'll post it up on 4shared.com for any/all to download.

This bill will KILL if enacted! You can find the list of Reps here...

http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2010a/directory.nsf/Pink%20Book%5Ci.%20House%20Members?OpenView

Call every Reprehensive in Colorado all day tomorrow and Friday and tell this is bad legislation. That's our only hope.

Go go gadget Freedom,
just

[GratefulMeds]

JUST HEARD ON THE NEWS THAT THE WHOLE BILL WAS IN DANGER AS A FEW OF THEM ARE TRYING TO STRIKE THE 70/30 OUT OF THE BILL AND A FEW OTHER THINGS??????

that's great news if true, thanks for the ray of light.:thumbsup:

[Justabloke]

Oh, and just an observation...

Boy oh boy we're awefully politcally busy for a "bunch of lazy pot-heads."

j

[Feijao]

I read this "If the bill wins final approval in the Senate, it must return to the House, which will either go along with the Senate's changes or opt to work on a compromise. Once both chambers pass the same version of the bill, it will go to Gov. Bill Ritter's desk."

Is there a deadline in which this must be done so that it takes effect this year? I thought I remembered reading something that mentioned if not done by a certain date that it wont go into effect until next year.

Thanks,
Mike

[Adamkadmon]

Is the 3rd reading the final reading then?

[Justabloke]

I read this "If the bill wins final approval in the Senate, it must return to the House, which will either go along with the Senate's changes or opt to work on a compromise. Once both chambers pass the same version of the bill, it will go to Gov. Bill Ritter's desk."

Is there a deadline in which this must be done so that it takes effect this year? I thought I remembered reading something that mentioned if not done by a certain date that it wont go into effect until next year.

Thanks,
Mike

Hey Mike, This should be done and over with by the start to mid next week.

To my knowledge there is not. What I do know is if it's going to be handled like SB 109 it will go into effect as soon as Ritter signs it. They want to get these restrictions in place ASAP.

[Justabloke]

Is the 3rd reading the final reading then?

Hi Adam,

Yes, I do think 3rd reading is the final reading unless what they send back to the House comes back with more amendment then the Senate has to revote on it and depending if it comes out with any/no amendments it gets tossed back to the house if there are, if not then it is either voted for or voted against. Lets hope for the latter but plan on the former.

Sadly, I think we all know how the vote is going to eventually come out. :wtf:

[throatstick]

makes me wonder with ritter not being able to run again for office.if he made deals with people to rush this through so he can sign off on it to put the power back in there hands?maybe some old favors that needed to be taken care of? makes ya wonder.

to the poster that said this

If this passes, they will close at least half the disps that's going to put it into the hands of upwards of 20,000 caregivers/grows. With numbers like that, we will have fires. Letâ??s face it, people make mistakes, or worse yet, don't know what they are doing.

The disps, generally, have been doing this or something close for much of their lives, how to do it, and do it well. Taking it out of the hands of the professionals who can take fire suppression precautions, security precautions and can do it in a industrial atmosphere to reduce the risk of growing is a bad idea no matter how you look at it. Then, to have caregivers growing it in confined spaces that pose more of a risk to fire/loss of life just does not make sense. Let the disps do what they do best, dispense meds in a safe and secure atmosphere. Don't force attic grows>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

this bill would shut these guys down more so.where do you think disp's get most of their product? this would cut that out only for a slect few.now i do know what ya mean about people that don't know wtf they are doing.but there are alot of disp owners that flocked here that don't know shit about shit just to cash in.so that goes both ways.

[COzigzag]

The 3rd and final passage of this bill is on the Senate Calendar for May 6, 2010 starting at 9:00 A.M.

Of course who knows when they will actually get to the bill. ;)

Don't stop calling your Senators!

[MMJinColorado]

As a patient, I'm actually in favor of the 70/30 thing in spirit... the percentages are just arbitrary numbers pulled out of their ass, but I love places that have nothing but in-house strains. It's prohibitive for a lot of places, but I enjoy knowing the provenance of everything in the store because that person (or someone they know and work with closely) grew the product. WAY too many times I go into a dispensary and there's some strain that I've never heard of and I ask them about it -- "Uhh, I dunno what it is really, they said it's 60% Sativa". That kind of shit does nothing for me, they don't know if it's soil or hydro, it's like talking to a jello mold and you get nowhere. It's fine if it's some strain that a vendor named themselves and have been growing forever, but they should know that information as well as how it was grown and tell that to the customer.

That said, some places have great regular vendors that would get cut out of the business or be forced to integrate with the dispensaries in some capacity, opening themselves up to all sorts of oversight that they may not want on what was essentially their personal grow the month prior. Places that can prove the origin of their product and how it was grown (and provide that info to the patients) are fine by me, but the vast majority of vendor meds are basically a question mark. I'd feel bad for the vendors if something like this passes, but what should really happen is that the "good" and verifiable vendors could be the 30% without having to really partner with one dispensary exclusively. I get what they're trying to do with it and agree for the most part, but it's still in the most ham-handed way possible, as seems to be the pattern with this bill...

Woof, this A20 Labs Coup de Grace got me rambling... good lord. :rastasmoke::thumbsup:

[Justabloke]

While I'm thinking about it; the below is an email I sent to [email protected] late yesterday. Feel free to email Paul with your concerns of fire as well.

Hi Paul,

Thank you for taking time to talk to me. Here are the figures I worry about. Keep in mind that they want to take Marijuana growing out of the hands of people who know what they are doing and put it into the hands of high morons who don't! While Iâ??m not a grower; I do know the basics of growing should you need information on the process. I, also, have an opinion of why they are trying to pass HB 1284 should you like that as well.

No one really heard how many people are on the Marijuana Registry right now so I have to give you three sets and one worse than the other. These are bare minimum figures. You could easly tack on 2%-3% margin of error.

If there are 24,000 people on the registry right now that would figure down to:

144,000 Plants
4,800 Caregivers/Individual Grows

If there are 100,000 people on the registry:

That adds up to:
600,000 plants
20,000 Caregivers/Individual Grows

124,000 People on the registry:

744,000 Plants
24,000 Caregivers/Individual Grows

These Numbers don't include the 58,000 person backlog at the CDPHE who are still waiting to be legal. Those numbers are on top of the above numbers and break down to:

348,000 Plants
11,600 Caregivers/Individual Grows.

Now, sir, I'm not a Firefighter. The only thing I know about Firefighting is what a roommate of 6 months taught me (call 911). It seems to me that when you take a skilled trade like growing Marijuana out of the hands of the people who know how to do it and put it in the hands of people who don't, you're going to see a spike in the amount of grow fires.

Speaking of growing, the above numbers will only grow as the registry grows.

Please join me in being very worried. Yes, we must have regulation but not at the expense of the people.

Thankfully,




- just

[Justabloke]

Woof, this A20 Labs Coup de Grace got me rambling... good lord. :rastasmoke::thumbsup:

LOL you ramble right on and I'll keep ranting right on as well!!! :thumbsup::D:stoned:

[MMJinColorado]

Ugh I gotta plow my way through this hearing video tonight still... dunno if I can deal with looking at Romer's smug face while he cracks jokes on our tax dime again. Gotta get some headphones and settle in after Ultimate Fighter though ha.. It's like re-living a nightmare listening to these legislators who know so little about the industry rambling on and trying their damndest to ram this through before the session ends...

[Justabloke]

trying their damndest to ram this through before the session ends...

Yeah theres something to be said for "State Sponsored" Tyranny. :mad:

Someone said someplace "yeah we need to vote these people out" but the problem with that is that for every one you get rid of there are 100 more just waiting for a seat in the Nazi chair.

[throatstick]

While I'm thinking about it; the below is an email I sent to [email protected] late yesterday. Feel free to email Paul with your concerns of fire as well.

Hi Paul,

Thank you for taking time to talk to me. Here are the figures I worry about. Keep in mind that they want to take Marijuana growing out of the hands of people who know what they are doing and put it into the hands of high morons who don't! While Iâ??m not a grower; I do know the basics of growing should you need information on the process. I, also, have an opinion of why they are trying to pass HB 1284 should you like that as well.

No one really heard how many people are on the Marijuana Registry right now so I have to give you three sets and one worse than the other. These are bare minimum figures. You could easly tack on 2%-3% margin of error.

If there are 24,000 people on the registry right now that would figure down to:

144,000 Plants
4,800 Caregivers/Individual Grows

If there are 100,000 people on the registry:

That adds up to:
600,000 plants
20,000 Caregivers/Individual Grows

124,000 People on the registry:

744,000 Plants
24,000 Caregivers/Individual Grows

These Numbers don't include the 58,000 person backlog at the CDPHE who are still waiting to be legal. Those numbers are on top of the above numbers and break down to:

348,000 Plants
11,600 Caregivers/Individual Grows.

Now, sir, I'm not a Firefighter. The only thing I know about Firefighting is what a roommate of 6 months taught me (call 911). It seems to me that when you take a skilled trade like growing Marijuana out of the hands of the people who know how to do it and put it in the hands of people who don't, you're going to see a spike in the amount of grow fires.

Speaking of growing, the above numbers will only grow as the registry grows.

Please join me in being very worried. Yes, we must have regulation but not at the expense of the people.

Thankfully,




- just

so what you are saying then is you are not in favor of caregivers? only dispensaries? i have to just say i have been on canna boards all over for awhile now and these are all people that grow for the most part.it's very rare that i hear about a fire.more rare than space heater fires in winter.ofcorse if someone does'nt know what they are doing then they should stay away from it.but to say caregivers are a bad thing is like saying space heaters are bad should we ban them as well?

see when you have someone that hates what you are doing in the first place and you make a bill to where it points out who everone is as a patient.that gives them a rader to work with.umm sir you need to let us in to ck all electric.umm well this is all correct and safe but we have to write you a ticket because 1 we don't like you 2 you did pay out your ass to have these lights wired.oh and since we are here umm we don't like the way you raise your kids being that we don't like you because you grow we think it is not good to have kids if you grow.even tho everything is locked up tight as a drum and all and you are doing everything safe.

oh your a hunter too>? umm we don't believe you should be able to own a gun and grow too.it's against the law to have guns with a controlled substance.oh you homeschool your kids? umm your gow is to close to a school zone then + your evil if you don't want your kids brainwashed by whats taught in schools these days.

see how the door is opened over a bogus "anyone that grows in a small space is at great risk of fire"what bs. we better get to banning all the gas stoves out there too while were at it.

so leo should be able to just run through your house anytime they plz just because you grow in your house? what about all the veggie growers that have been running inhouse grows should they be stopped to? you would think with the numbers you are trying to push.that there would already be alot more fires reported in the country? do you really think all the growers out here just started? most of us have been doing this for awhile now.now im sure there are a few that just started most of which use a small setup 250w to 600w.

if i knew i was gunna have to give up all my rights i would have just stayed underground..and guess what no fires....wow


btw the with the 70/30 thing guess what say bye bye to all those strains you can choose from.you really think all these dispensaries grow most of what they have 30,40,50 diffrent strains lmao?they depend on the small guy just as much as the small guy depends on them.

[GratefulMeds]

If you agree with this last effort, pass this on immediately.

If your happy with this desecration of our constitution for greed....delete it!



VETO March on the Governors Mansion
Gather at the Civic Center Park 5-15 @ 11 AM
If we can gather a large assembly of people, 1000 or more we will walk to the Governor's Mansion. If only a few show up, we can just demonstrate along Broadway St. across from the Capitol. This is a Constitutional Right to Assemble for a VETO March!



As a Nationally Certified alternative care Naturopath, Master Herbalist, Homeopath and Holistic Nutritional consultant trained in degenerative disease and maintaining wellness for 33 years, I am appalled at the disregard
of the voice of the people to the Legislators and Senators of this state concerning HB10-1284 and SB10-109

I am pleading with everyone to call, email and fax letters to the Capitol. HB10-1284 must be stopped. Amendment 20, Article XVlll, section 14 of the Colorado constitution was trampled on by the large majority of ELECTED Officials today at the Capitol. If you are a caregiver that is not a dispensary, L.140 amendment holds you to NO more than 30 plants TOTAL for your 5 patients. Only a dispensary will be able to provide the needed access of additional medicine. I have been in support of a dispensary model, however this is over the top!

It was also very insulting to the patients of Colorado with degenerative illnesses to listen to the puns and jokes out of Romer's mouth, he even made a joke about the senators with MMJ licenses.......This was to insinuate why they were not supportive of this bill. Romer referred to more than 50% of dispensary owners are Thugs. Spence said she doesn't support organized crime, insinuating that the dispensaries that will be put out of business are the ones with organized crime money.

There will be a 3rd reading of this bill. This session is over next week!

Do Not Waste Time.........call, fax and email. This is an ELECTION YEAR Let them know if you are their constituent, tell them you are paying attention to the votes and you want them to VOTE NO on the 3rd reading!!!

If this does not get their attention, all we have left is to PICKETT the Governor's mansion!!!
Let's set a date of May 15th to organize at the Civic Center Park at 11 am. Bring Large VETO Signs with the bill numbers on them, bring every ADULT you can round up and let's walk from the park to the Governor's mansion and have a peaceful public gathering to send the Governor a loud and clear message!!!

We must mount an army of people for this. A few hundred to show up is not acceptable, we need a thousand or more to get his attention!!!

I hope that everyone will go into the voting booths in NOVEMBER and VOTE NO on every Legislator and Senator that VOTED on these bills passage to allow a monopoly to the large dispensaries and blatantly walked all over our constitutional rights!!!

Sincerely,
Kimberly Matteo, N.D., M.H.
303-835-2743




:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[throatstick]

If you agree with this last effort, pass this on immediately.

If your happy with this desecration of our constitution for greed....delete it!



VETO March on the Governors Mansion
Gather at the Civic Center Park 5-15 @ 11 AM
If we can gather a large assembly of people, 1000 or more we will walk to the Governor's Mansion. If only a few show up, we can just demonstrate along Broadway St. across from the Capitol. This is a Constitutional Right to Assemble for a VETO March!



As a Nationally Certified alternative care Naturopath, Master Herbalist, Homeopath and Holistic Nutritional consultant trained in degenerative disease and maintaining wellness for 33 years, I am appalled at the disregard
of the voice of the people to the Legislators and Senators of this state concerning HB10-1284 and SB10-109

I am pleading with everyone to call, email and fax letters to the Capitol. HB10-1284 must be stopped. Amendment 20, Article XVlll, section 14 of the Colorado constitution was trampled on by the large majority of ELECTED Officials today at the Capitol. If you are a caregiver that is not a dispensary, L.140 amendment holds you to NO more than 30 plants TOTAL for your 5 patients. Only a dispensary will be able to provide the needed access of additional medicine. I have been in support of a dispensary model, however this is over the top!

It was also very insulting to the patients of Colorado with degenerative illnesses to listen to the puns and jokes out of Romer's mouth, he even made a joke about the senators with MMJ licenses.......This was to insinuate why they were not supportive of this bill. Romer referred to more than 50% of dispensary owners are Thugs. Spence said she doesn't support organized crime, insinuating that the dispensaries that will be put out of business are the ones with organized crime money.

There will be a 3rd reading of this bill. This session is over next week!

Do Not Waste Time.........call, fax and email. This is an ELECTION YEAR Let them know if you are their constituent, tell them you are paying attention to the votes and you want them to VOTE NO on the 3rd reading!!!

If this does not get their attention, all we have left is to PICKETT the Governor's mansion!!!
Let's set a date of May 15th to organize at the Civic Center Park at 11 am. Bring Large VETO Signs with the bill numbers on them, bring every ADULT you can round up and let's walk from the park to the Governor's mansion and have a peaceful public gathering to send the Governor a loud and clear message!!!

We must mount an army of people for this. A few hundred to show up is not acceptable, we need a thousand or more to get his attention!!!

I hope that everyone will go into the voting booths in NOVEMBER and VOTE NO on every Legislator and Senator that VOTED on these bills passage to allow a monopoly to the large dispensaries and blatantly walked all over our constitutional rights!!!

Sincerely,
Kimberly Matteo, N.D., M.H.
303-835-2743




:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

it's the guys with big money to pay these fees that are the organized crime people not the lil guy. this is something nobody has brought up either so i will.this will hurt that small guy that can't work no more because of degenerative disease and so on that is in to much pain everyday to really be able to work a job to pay bills.guys like this can tend a small grow and use what they need and sell the rest to the shops to sustain him through the next grow.this was a perfect thing to help keep them alive in many ways from meds to bills.this will directly hurt these people the most.this is the wrong thing to do for many reasons.im on the same page as g/m.and i have always thought like this not just now.

[throatstick]

hey great i say people should call all their friends even out of state and tell them to call too.

[Justabloke]

[quote=throatstick]so what you are saying then is you are not in favor of caregivers? only dispensaries? QUOTE]

NO! I'm not saying that. I'm saying I'm worried about the amount of people who will get into it whether or not they "should." The allure of money is pretty strong in this economy.

Accidents happen. People who arn't trained in setting up a proper MMJ grow WILL cause fires and loss of life. It's going to happen.

Give this to the people who know what they're doing and have the money to do it properly. Let them set up industrial grows where everything around the grow can be tightly controlled like fire suppression, security, ect. Attic grows will ONLY lead to a drastic increase in structure fires throughout Colorado just like in Mendocino County California. Then, they'd come back and say "see? We told you we needed to more tightly regulate this...look at all the fires!"

The fact that 100k people will need a caregiver will lead to a 20k person caregiver force growing meds in, on, and around their home...it will lead to fires.

That is my only point.

[TurboALLWD]

I will send this out to my few patients now and hopefully they will all be available to protest, some of their conditions make it hard to come out and protest though. We need young individuals protesting as well, just don't show up in a bob marly t-shirt and have dreads, it could send the wrong message unfortunately. My family and I will be there to protest no matter what. You all have my word on that!

[TurboALLWD]

Justabloke- Patients have the right to grow anyways, theres TONS of patient grows that are half assed and probably plenty with electrical hazards. Point is I don't see anywhere on the news stories about mmj fires. I have temperature alarms and monitor my grow closely. I take it really seriously, I couldn't do it all myself though. I have a monitor with me in the house where I can see the enviroment settings at all times. Not to mention I had an electrician do the little wiring needed and I have two fire extinguishers on hand. I never leave my grow unattended. The novices out there that have fire hazards in their house wont be able to compete with real caregivers, producing real quality meds. The fire hazards won't stay up and running long enough to even create a fire. I don't see it being nearly as big of a concern as you do.

[lampost]

Wow, this Romer guy is a total dick. I just saw some video of him and he's such a condescending asshole. It doesn't seem right that you can craft a bill to just drive a ton of people out of business!
Well I've had no faith in politics for a long time so it doesn't surprise me. I'm glad I can still smoke and I'm going to have to do some networking with people before they slip back underground!!

One thing that I have to ask... I saw some mention that somehow the registry will become less than confidential after this bill. Is that true for regular patients who don't register as a caregiver or anything? Will your name now be available for law enforcement to view at whim?? Please tell me this isn't true?

[throatstick]

[quote=throatstick]so what you are saying then is you are not in favor of caregivers? only dispensaries? QUOTE]

NO! I'm not saying that. I'm saying I'm worried about the amount of people who will get into it whether or not they "should." The allure of money is pretty strong in this economy.

Accidents happen. People who arn't trained in setting up a proper MMJ grow WILL cause fires and loss of life. It's going to happen.

Give this to the people who know what they're doing and have the money to do it properly. Let them set up industrial grows where everything around the grow can be tightly controlled like fire suppression, security, ect. Attic grows will ONLY lead to a drastic increase in structure fires throughout Colorado just like in Mendocino County California. Then, they'd come back and say "see? We told you we needed to more tightly regulate this...look at all the fires!"

The fact that 100k people will need a caregiver will lead to a 20k person caregiver force growing meds in, on, and around their home...it will lead to fires.

That is my only point.

exactly pretty much what i just said you believe only the big boys should be able to grow.so anyone that does'nt have big money to own a shop it's danger to them as far as fires.i have been growing for awhile in small areas never once 1 fire scare. the point of keeping it all to the shops man i have to say i have been to many shops and alot don't even know what the fuck they are doing let alone run a grow.so that dog don't hunt sorry. do you really know how many people grow in their homes that are'nt legal? come on you have to be smarter than that. besides the fact that the state allows mmj patients to grow their own already.

yes i know leo will try to use anything to say see we need this or that.thats all a crock to take our rights away.we should'nt bow down just because of that.they will use anything,we could even go your route and take the rights away of the people and still they would find something else.and thats exactly what you seem to be saying since they will say this we need to take our rights and throw them out the window.what about people with fireplaces?,machine shops in their garage? metal workers? blacksmiths?

their are plenty of things you can buy to protect yourselfs.you see the new lil red fire tank you can hang in your room so if it gets above a certain degree it comes on and sprays everthing down?

[vegetabongrips]

I don't understand why they removed the taxes, unless it's a hope that now it will fail. I mean, I understand the whole "yay patient doesn't need to pay taxes now" but it seems like a HUGE selling point to the general public that this will generate taxes. It still will, but removing those sales taxes takes a significant chunk out of the cash flow in that direction.

[throatstick]

Justabloke- Patients have the right to grow anyways, theres TONS of patient grows that are half assed and probably plenty with electrical hazards. Point is I don't see anywhere on the news stories about mmj fires. I have temperature alarms and monitor my grow closely. I take it really seriously, I couldn't do it all myself though. I have a monitor with me in the house where I can see the enviroment settings at all times. Not to mention I had an electrician do the little wiring needed and I have two fire extinguishers on hand. I never leave my grow unattended. The novices out there that have fire hazards in their house wont be able to compete with real caregivers, producing real quality meds. The fire hazards won't stay up and running long enough to even create a fire. I don't see it being nearly as big of a concern as you do.

agreed and no im not being a prick im just stating that these people will try to take our rights away with anything.i have been doing this for a bit and anyone that does this for real takes everything they do at heart.we don't half ass shit the ones that do will pay simple.im tired of people thinking because of these few people over here that are dumb then we all should suffer for it.

[throatstick]

I don't understand why they removed the taxes, unless it's a hope that now it will fail. I mean, I understand the whole "yay patient doesn't need to pay taxes now" but it seems like a HUGE selling point to the general public that this will generate taxes. It still will, but removing those sales taxes takes a significant chunk out of the cash flow in that direction.

yes very odd i say.

[MMJinColorado]

The taxes thing was stricken shortly after it was passed according to this article: Medical marijuana bill passes Senate on second reading -- but obstacles remain - Denver News - The Latest Word (http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2010/05/medical_marijuana_bill_passes.php)
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Speaking of which, the last-minute flurry of activity included an amendment by Senator Josh Penry to designate medical marijuana as nontaxable at the state level. The amendment initially passed, but according to Brown, it failed in a subsequent procedure involving what's known as the Committee of the Whole, or COW in legislative parlance. In the end, he reveals, "sales taxes were repealed and then brought back half an hour later."

[Denvertoad]

I'll be there, it's time to stand up for ourselves. Moments like this don't come around often.


So many of us have paid heavy heavy dues for using marijuana. Legions of good people have been arrested and have records that have/will follow their entire lives. Many of us have lost jobs or been forced to choose between a career or mj. Who among us doesn't hide our usage from family in some fashion? For how long will we continue to accept living in fear of being stigmatized, marginalized, arrested, or incarcerated?



Turbo, Your comments about the younger generations involvement are spot on. Let's hope there is a groundswell of young activism.


We as a constituency, young and old, need to quit with the Cheech and Chong bullshit and approach MMJ with a serious attitude. It's an oxymoron but we're victims of our own success. I truly believe that unless the way mmj is approached and marketed that this bill is only the beginning of the end. Please, if you care at all, show up.


If I, a 51 year old cancer ridden old fuck, can drag my ass downtown so can you. Give me a shout if you need a ride, I'd be happy to pick you up :thumbsup:

[Feijao]

If I, a 51 year old cancer ridden old fuck, can drag my ass downtown so can you. Give me a shout if you need a ride, I'd be happy to pick you up :thumbsup:

That's the shit I like to hear right there.

Mike

[MMJinColorado]

If you feel like thanking someone who was trying her best for our cause, Sen. Morgan Carroll was the only one at the hearing today who was truly advocating for patients and introduced a slew of very progressive-minded and positive amendments (all of which were summarily shot down by the other legislators, who clearly have no clue)... You can reach her at [email protected] -- I hope anyone who is fortunate enough to be in District 29 supports her whole-heartedly, as she went to bat for us today.

I got a response back a few minutes ago after e-mailing to thank her and she was clearly feeling frustrated by the process... it's clear she cares for the cause and the patients. Hopefully her spirit will rub off on some of the others and we can get a few more sensible amendments added to this thing (or some of the ridiculous crap stricken out).

[wb1996]

Since the bill just passed is our only hope that the Gunba will shoot it down?

Feijao

I work at a disp. and this bill is bullshit. The people of colorado have spoken when they passed amdnt. 20. If they pass this we need to stick together and form a tight underground community so we can take care of each other and make sure we have the access to a verity of strains and to keep the quality top notch. I am tired of trying to play by the states rules because when you try to do the right thing and become legal they bend you over and stick it in you're ass. We the patients need to stick together because the state is not going to take care of our needs because of hb-1284. We must show up at the capitol the day this bill passes and also we need to show up early the next day and be ready to take the gloves off because they are not playing fair. The best thing that we can do is to create mass civil disobediance at the capital and be willing to go to jail for the night because if this passes it is time to turn this town up side down with protests and law suits. And for the disp. owners, we should take heed from greatful meds and refuse to pay theses bull shit fines. It is time to go underground and blow this shit up. they can not stop us. The ball is already rolling and the networks are already established so we will not go away and we will stand and fight. If this passes all the heads that are for real should have a meeting to strengthen our ties and so we can take care of each other. AND Romer by the way, you can suck my cock!!!!!!:mad:

[TruElements]

I have created the Veto March on the Governor's Mansion 5/15 @ 11:00 AM as a facebook event and will do my best to spread the word.

[Justabloke]

Justabloke- Patients have the right to grow anyways, theres TONS of patient grows that are half assed and probably plenty with electrical hazards. Point is I don't see anywhere on the news stories about mmj fires. I have temperature alarms and monitor my grow closely. I take it really seriously, I couldn't do it all myself though. I have a monitor with me in the house where I can see the enviroment settings at all times. Not to mention I had an electrician do the little wiring needed and I have two fire extinguishers on hand. I never leave my grow unattended. The novices out there that have fire hazards in their house wont be able to compete with real caregivers, producing real quality meds. The fire hazards won't stay up and running long enough to even create a fire. I don't see it being nearly as big of a concern as you do.

Hey :)

Thanks for the reply. So far as it relates to the passage of this bill...I do see a problem and I see serious problems because closing down 50%-80% of this stateâ??s disps is wrong. I think they have the money to support *real* *quality* meds in a safe and secure tightly regulated atmosphere where precautions can be taken properly and not setting up a grow in an attic of a 120 year old house. Which you have to admit does happen.

As I rant onâ?¦think Mendocino County, California who didn't stop to worry about fire.

I think if we take this away from the disps we as a community are losing major ground in our fight for federal MMJ legalization. The world is watching Colorado just as much as California. We can't lose ground now...we've come too far!

We're talking upwards of 20k individual grows. Many who will become caregivers won't know how to produce quality meds under tightly controlled circumstances with proper precautions in place. If you grow in a warehouse and build appropriately, then yes, that is far better than having hundreds of grows in every neighborhood throughout Colorado. As I said before...people make mistakes and people won't know what they are doing.

If they force this out of the hands of the disps we're going to have real problems and our community will lose the desperately needed funding that our dispensaries SHOULD provide to fight this legislative hurdles they make us overcome on the village, town, city, country, state and federal levels trying to consistently and systematically disassemble MMJ here in Colorado! Each and every dispensary should contribute a percentage if their income to the very community that has supported them WELL into the black operationally speaking. Losing any legal dispensary would be like the community losing a left leg!

That said, IF you know what you are doing and are willing to put out the money for your infrastructure as you have and can do it safely, then, by all means, do! But, the law of averages reigns supreme here.

I'm not saying to take growing away from patients/caregivers I'm just saying make sure they know what they are doing and will provide as safe/secure/regulated atmosphere as possible. Otherwise, leave it to those who know what they are doing have done it for large parts of their lives while evading the very people we are discussing tonight.

J

[lampost]

I know this has probably been touched on but it's so complicated now that I've totally forgotten.

Will a small caregiver (2-4 patients) have to do anything above and beyond what they are doing now? Will they have to submit to any more invasions of privacy? Identify where their grow location is? Any of that bullshit?

[Justabloke]

I don't understand why they removed the taxes, unless it's a hope that now it will fail. I mean, I understand the whole "yay patient doesn't need to pay taxes now" but it seems like a HUGE selling point to the general public that this will generate taxes. It still will, but removing those sales taxes takes a significant chunk out of the cash flow in that direction.

This is just a guess but I think it's because Cancer and HIV/AIDS/ARC are the only two maladies Romer sees fit to treat with MMJ.

[Justabloke]

I know this has probably been touched on but it's so complicated now that I've totally forgotten.

Will a small caregiver (2-4 patients) have to do anything above and beyond what they are doing now? Will they have to submit to any more invasions of privacy? Identify where their grow location is? Any of that bullshit?

Yes, I've heard that the small caregiver will have to pay a registration fee as well as other stipulations. What those are...I dunno.

[lampost]

One of you guys with computer skills needs to create an underground message board site for clone-trading, seed-trading, etc.! I have some ideas and could help. Obviously a board like this would probably need to be referral-only probably starting small and building up a good network!!

Anyone else think this is possibly a good idea? I know we have places like ICMag and stuff now where people meet and share genetics, but maybe something a little more focused and regional-based. Strictly for patients, no black market shite going on!

[Justabloke]

[quote=Justabloke]

exactly pretty much what i just said you believe only the big boys should be able to grow.so anyone that does'nt have big money to own a shop it's danger to them as far as fires.i have been growing for awhile in small areas never once 1 fire scare. the point of keeping it all to the shops man i have to say i have been to many shops and alot don't even know what the fuck they are doing let alone run a grow.so that dog don't hunt sorry. do you really know how many people grow in their homes that are'nt legal? come on you have to be smarter than that. besides the fact that the state allows mmj patients to grow their own already.

yes i know leo will try to use anything to say see we need this or that.thats all a crock to take our rights away.we should'nt bow down just because of that.they will use anything,we could even go your route and take the rights away of the people and still they would find something else.and thats exactly what you seem to be saying since they will say this we need to take our rights and throw them out the window.what about people with fireplaces?,machine shops in their garage? metal workers? blacksmiths?

their are plenty of things you can buy to protect yourselfs.you see the new lil red fire tank you can hang in your room so if it gets above a certain degree it comes on and sprays everthing down?

Yes, there are precautions that should be taken but a caregiver just getting in to it with $200 or $300 to spend won't be able to get anywhere what he/she NEEDS to properly do and add bad growing space to it it's a recipie for disaster.

[throatstick]

One of you guys with computer skills needs to create an underground message board site for clone-trading, seed-trading, etc.! I have some ideas and could help. Obviously a board like this would probably need to be referral-only probably starting small and building up a good network!!

Anyone else think this is possibly a good idea? I know we have places like ICMag and stuff now where people meet and share genetics, but maybe something a little more focused and regional-based. Strictly for patients, no black market shite going on!

been thinking about this for awhile now.the hard part would be keeping leo out.

[Justabloke]

We as a constituency, young and old, need to quit with the Cheech and Chong bullshit and approach MMJ with a serious attitude.

Wow! Never have truer words been spoken!!! Spot on! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Justabloke]

We the patients need to stick together

Thank you WB! That is exactly my point. While I don't support any more of an underground movement (black market) we must, we must, we MUST stick together or we will lose everything we have worked so hard for. :thumbsup::cool:

[MMJinColorado]

Jesus, as I finished the 12th part of that mess, after having literally cheered out loud after Senator Carroll laid the Kant Categorical Imperative smackdown on these morons, I see that there's now 17 parts and I would have 5 more to go to finish it. I don't think I can handle another 50 minutes of Senator Spence (might be my new Queen Idiot, taking Romer's spot) claiming to be "the Senator who opposes organized crime"......

I'll post the 2340 word notes document I wrote along with a quicker summary tomorrow. For now, I'm gonna go burn myself in effigy.

Ha, not really, but I am gonna go smoke some Black Domina and pass the hell out.

[Justabloke]

Jesus, as I finished the 12th part of that mess, after having literally cheered out loud after Senator Carroll laid the Kant Categorical Imperative smackdown on these morons, I see that there's now 17 parts and I would have 5 more to go to finish it. I don't think I can handle another 50 minutes of Senator Spence (might be my new Queen Idiot, taking Romer's spot) claiming to be "the Senator who opposes organized crime"......

I'll post the 2340 word notes document I wrote along with a quicker summary tomorrow. For now, I'm gonna go burn myself in effigy.

Ha, not really, but I am gonna go smoke some Black Domina and pass the hell out.

Did you DVR it or find it online? I look forward to your opinions!

Sleep well

[MMJinColorado]

I was watching it here: YouTube - COMarijuana's Channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/COMarijuana#p/u/4/vPsPa7r0xIk)

I saw most of the later parts earlier in the day, but didn't take notes, so I'll probably give them a quick listen tomorrow. My notes are full of sarcastic comments, mostly aimed at Romer and Spence, who were in fine form early in the hearing. I'll clean it up a bit for the post, but I'll have a basic guide with info about who proposed and/or argued for what so people can figure out who they want to support when it's election season. I was interested to see Republicans speaking on behalf of some of Senator Carroll's amendments based on the Constitutional and legal precedent-based arguments she was making... MMJ makes strange bedfellows I guess.

As an aside, it's hilarious to hear all the mumbling that occurs after certain comments... I was listening on headphones so I picked up all of it. Every time Senator Spence dropped her "I don't support organized crime" line, the crowd audibly tittered as if it were her catchphrase.

It was also funny (not "ha ha") to hear Romer constantly refer to some unnamed news reporter who apparently was able to buy marijuana at 5 of 7 dispensaries without showing any kind of paperwork, then referring to them as "knuckleheads" about 30 different times. I called bullshit on that in the first place, but did anyone else hear about this? I figure it was some typical embellished local news scare story that I missed (since I don't watch that gahbage) if it even exists at all.

Seems like bullshit to me, it just doesn't pass the smell test -- unless I've been into a dispensary multiple times, they at least ask for an ID and then check my paperwork on file and/or have me sign a "ckeck in" type of form. Never have I been able to buy anything (or even look at meds or enter the area since Denver passed their regulations) without showing my doc's recommendation and state application as well as an ID.

[FarmerSteve]

Wow! Never have truer words been spoken!!! Spot on! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Perfect! And where's a link to that facebook page?

Guys, we don't need to act like this is the end of the road. that's what they WANT. Keep an eye on the other thread. There are SO many of you who could make a difference. And if we ALL pull together, well you know how synergy works...

1+1= 2.5

[Justabloke]

I was watching it here: YouTube - COMarijuana's Channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/COMarijuana#p/u/4/vPsPa7r0xIk)

I saw most of the later parts earlier in the day, but didn't take notes, so I'll probably give them a quick listen tomorrow. My notes are full of sarcastic comments, mostly aimed at Romer and Spence, who were in fine form early in the hearing. I'll clean it up a bit for the post, but I'll have a basic guide with info about who proposed and/or argued for what so people can figure out who they want to support when it's election season. I was interested to see Republicans speaking on behalf of some of Senator Carroll's amendments based on the Constitutional and legal precedent-based arguments she was making... MMJ makes strange bedfellows I guess.

As an aside, it's hilarious to hear all the mumbling that occurs after certain comments... I was listening on headphones so I picked up all of it. Every time Senator Spence dropped her "I don't support organized crime" line, the crowd audibly tittered as if it were her catchphrase.

It was also funny (not "ha ha") to hear Romer constantly refer to some unnamed news reporter who apparently was able to buy marijuana at 5 of 7 dispensaries without showing any kind of paperwork, then referring to them as "knuckleheads" about 30 different times. I called bullshit on that in the first place, but did anyone else hear about this? I figure it was some typical embellished local news scare story that I missed (since I don't watch that gahbage) if it even exists at all.

Seems like bullshit to me, it just doesn't pass the smell test -- unless I've been into a dispensary multiple times, they at least ask for an ID and then check my paperwork on file and/or have me sign a "ckeck in" type of form. Never have I been able to buy anything (or even look at meds or enter the area since Denver passed their regulations) without showing my doc's recommendation and state application as well as an ID.

Ahh ok...hence the "parts." If there is anything I know and appreciate it is sarcasm! ;)

OMG If I hear either the organized crime banter or gateway drug crap one more time imma gonna scream! Aaaaaarrrrrggggghhhhhhhhhhh! :mad:

This is the first I'm hearing of this reporter. I, like you, don't pay attention the "news" anymore cause it's all crap. Beyond that, I'm boycotting Westword and their advertisers because of crap just like this. I told everyone they were going to sell us out and I think they have.

Yes, marginalization is a very effective tactic which is why our modern day law enforcement/government use it so frequently. Hey we're just "very low income, pot heads who aren't likely to vote anyway" Or are we?!

Yes, any disp that wishes to stay in business for any amount of time MUST check paperwork/ID. Sadly, there are people who are in it just and only for the money. It is they whom we need to remove from operation and keep the ones who know what they're doing and do it for the medicine/science of it and if they turn a profit in doing so who cares. Pfizer bilks billions in profit every year from us while selling us drugs. Lets choose to be educated consumers/patients and use meds that are FAR less addictive than the likes of, in my case, Dilaudid during the worst times. I do think that Romer's claim is more smoke than fire. The government has had a long history of giving the people mis/disinformation to inflict their will on and I don't think this is much different. The "say anything; do anything" attitude is vividly clear.

As I have said many times and Iâ??ll say many more timesâ?¦this is wrong and people will die because of this bill!

It just amazes me the amount of "lazy pot heads" we get out at meetings of the government. If we didn't have such a close-knit community and great leadership; we wouldn't be anywhere near where we are now! Together we stand and devided we fall.

Right, well I've been ranting all day between the gov't and the msg boards so I think it's time for me to go pass out too.

:thumbsup: Keep up the fight!

Never give up, never surrender,
Mike

[Reenster]

I am all in favor of using technology. I just created my own facebook page regarding the 5/15 march and have sent invitations to all that might have interest.

I also know I am not the only female among us so I would also like to recommend the Womens Marijuana Movement. I got the link from SAFER and Jessica Corry is the founder. The more people we include the better off we are.

Women's Marijuana Movement (http://www.womensmarijuanamovement.org/)

[puntacometa]

Wow! Never have truer words been spoken!!! Spot on! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:


The Spicoli stereotype certainly hasn't helped our cause.
:(

[lampost]

been thinking about this for awhile now.the hard part would be keeping leo out.

Referral-only is the key. URL wouldn't even be known until invited. It would grow very slowly via word of mouth amongst trusted people... kinda like in the old days but over the web. Plus now you could get a solid base before some people start slipping back underground.

Lastly, it's not like hard drugs or anything. It's herb in a medical state. So even if the worst were to happen I think you'd have a pretty viable defense! I envision it as mainly a place to trade clones/seeds, unite caregivers w patients, and possibly even trade/buy/sell meds.

Also, I heard someone mention above that they were talking about marijuana as a "gateway drug" today. They are the ones that make it a gateway drug. They put marijuana in the same category as cocaine and heroin. They teach the children that all drugs are "bad" with no differentiation... marijuana will ruin your lives and so will coke and smack. But then the kids smoke it and see that it's harmless and now they realize that they were taught lies about drugs. Now they're more likely to try hard shit not realizing the true dangers because they've been lied to. These fuckin' drug warriors don't realize that their own lies aren't serving them..

[Justabloke]

Perfect! And where's a link to that facebook page?

Guys, we don't need to act like this is the end of the road. that's what they WANT. Keep an eye on the other thread. There are SO many of you who could make a difference. And if we ALL pull together, well you know how synergy works...

1+1= 2.5

Morning Steve

Which facebook page would that be?

No, this is not the end of MMJ in Colorado. We are way too organized and very well represented by lawyers. 1284 is highly unconstitutional and Carroll and orthers readily and repeatedly acknowleged the fact there will be litigation if this passes.

I have to make a small tweek to part of your post if I may...

That is, there are SO many of US who could make a difference. Its odd how one person can do so little but yet have such a big impact.

-Just

[Justabloke]

The Spicoli stereotype certainly hasn't helped our cause.
:(

Morning cometa,

I don't understand your refference or point.

-j

[Klonzinc]

[quote=throatstick]so what you are saying then is you are not in favor of caregivers? only dispensaries? QUOTE]

NO! I'm not saying that. I'm saying I'm worried about the amount of people who will get into it whether or not they "should." The allure of money is pretty strong in this economy.

Accidents happen. People who arn't trained in setting up a proper MMJ grow WILL cause fires and loss of life. It's going to happen.

Give this to the people who know what they're doing and have the money to do it properly. Let them set up industrial grows where everything around the grow can be tightly controlled like fire suppression, security, ect. Attic grows will ONLY lead to a drastic increase in structure fires throughout Colorado just like in Mendocino County California. Then, they'd come back and say "see? We told you we needed to more tightly regulate this...look at all the fires!"

The fact that 100k people will need a caregiver will lead to a 20k person caregiver force growing meds in, on, and around their home...it will lead to fires.

That is my only point.

You may be right but turkey deep fryers and Christmas trees cause more home fires than growers. There are always mishaps with everything, including the dumb ass who smokes while filling his lawn mower with gas but that is no reason for the politicians to tell me I can no longer grow my or any one else meds, that thinking is absolute unfair, a better reg would be something like this "Should a structure fire be deemed caused by in proper grow set up then the one setting it up should be responsible and liable," do not punish the exp. ones that can not afford large warehouse ops, hell if I got paid for all the meds I give away I would be able to set up the 50,000 warehouse grow. but I choose kindness and helping those who can not help themselves with herb over the top dollar heartless, greedy mentality. I guess what I am saying is do not punish the mass for what one or two idiots might cause. PEACE

[Justabloke]

[quote=Justabloke]

You may be right but turkey deep fryers and Christmas trees cause more home fires than growers. There are always mishaps with everything, including the dumb ass who smokes while filling his lawn mower with gas but that is no reason for the politicians to tell me I can no longer grow my or any one else meds, that thinking is absolute unfair, a better reg would be something like this "Should a structure fire be deemed caused by in proper grow set up then the one setting it up should be responsible and liable," do not punish the exp. ones that can not afford large warehouse ops, hell if I got paid for all the meds I give away I would be able to set up the 50,000 warehouse grow. but I choose kindness and helping those who can not help themselves with herb over the top dollar heartless, greedy mentality. I guess what I am saying is do not punish the mass for what one or two idiots might cause. PEACE

I'm not about limiting anyone. In fact, I'm all about freedom for all. Hence my work in our community.

I'm not saying nor will I say to take growing out of the hands of caregivers. What I am saying is that with the amount of people this will force to grow fires will happen. To that extent, I don't think it is a wise idea to pass this bill. The potential risk of a drastic increase of structure fires thoughout Colorado's neighborhoods is one (of many) GOOD reason not to pass this bill and I think we can make real headway with this argument against the bill.

Again, let me say I'm NOT trying to keep caregivers from growing. I'm trying to keep this bill from passing and this is one very good reason this bill should not pass. That is what I'm saying.

So, if you're a small caregiver of 5 or less I'm not trying to limit you! The only thing I wanna see burn is a big ol fat bowl. :thumbsup::D

j

[FarmerSteve]

Guys, having SEVERAL close friends in law enforcement, including DCI and DEA undercover positions (And for the record, I would NEVER, EVER talk shit on the internet or in real life about this, or any other thing really, but you gotta hear me) and unless we're breaking some serious laws, the odds of being popped for anything is slim to none. They may know about you, but unless you are A. Breaking some other laws that they cannot get you on or B. Are a community menace and NEED to be locked up or C. You ARE a power player, then there is almost NO chance to get clipped. My dad did 3 LONG bids in Wyoming, all for petty ass MJ charges, BUT he was the town bad boy, and they made it stick, you know. So I know a LOT (compared to the layman) about how and why "they"do what they do.

Besides, when we become organized and funded, IF a person were to get arrested for something legit, it would make the NEWS, we'll pay to boost you out (Unless you pull some SERIOUS shit, in which case you've dishonored the cause and SHOULD be in jail) and then we'll turn it into a media circus. Trust me on this one. Knowing how to create a sensation is KEY. If somebody were to honestly get popped, at LEAST myself (an hopefully others would join) will find an open public place, and I will water fast (Not just to gain attention, because with the right heart there is an UNREAL amount of Spiritual power released when you reject earthly food for "Heavenly Justice") until it reaches the people. I have a friend who is the news director at one of the 3 major networks, and I've been in contact with the appropriate reporters from The Denver Post and have had contact with national reporters in the past, including one whom I recently got back into touch with from Rolling Stone. Trust me, when people expose themselves and don't have anything but water for a couple of weeks to bring attention to a righteous cause, it's pretty cool.

You all need to listen to "Something's Happening Here" a few times. :thumbsup:

And where is that FaceBook link??

[Zedleppelin]

[quote=Klonzinc]

I'm not about limiting anyone. In fact, I'm all about freedom for all. Hence my work in our community.

I'm not saying nor will I say to take growing out of the hands of caregivers. What I am saying is that with the amount of people this will force to grow fires will happen. To that extent, I don't think it is a wise idea to pass this bill. The potential risk of a drastic increase of structure fires thoughout Colorado's neighborhoods is one (of many) GOOD reason not to pass this bill and I think we can make real headway with this argument against the bill.

Again, let me say I'm NOT trying to keep caregivers from growing. I'm trying to keep this bill from passing and this is one very good reason this bill should not pass. That is what I'm saying.

So, if you're a small caregiver of 5 or less I'm not trying to limit you! The only thing I wanna see burn is a big ol fat bowl. :thumbsup::D

j


So where are all these fires now? My guess is there are over 10,000 people growing in their house now and yet I have not heard of one fire from a grow other than some assclowns trying to make hash with butane. If you listen to the media and the DEA though one would think we're making nuclear weapons. I read one DEA agent telling the media that growers use oxygen tanks to grow bigger plants and they could explode an entire neighborhood, and of course the reporter prints it without checking facts.

[TruElements]

Welcome to Facebook | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/#!/event.php?eid=116790151688103)

Is the afforementioned facebook event link.

Share it with everyone you know and ask that they do the same.

[FarmerSteve]

I just signed up! My slave name is Chad. ;)

[COzigzag]

I just signed up! My slave name is Chad. ;)

I'm a little freaked out about accepting the invitation on Facebook. I'm not comfortable about giving out my real name at this point! :(

[TruElements]

I'm a little freaked out about accepting the invitation on Facebook. I'm not comfortable about giving out my real name at this point! :(

Understandable. At least share the page with friends!

[Justabloke]

[quote=Justabloke]


So where are all these fires now? My guess is there are over 10,000 people growing in their house now and yet I have not heard of one fire from a grow other than some assclowns trying to make hash with butane. If you listen to the media and the DEA though one would think we're making nuclear weapons. I read one DEA agent telling the media that growers use oxygen tanks to grow bigger plants and they could explode an entire neighborhood, and of course the reporter prints it without checking facts.

We need GOOD reasons to defeat this bill. This is a good and plausible reason with real potential of causing fires. We need ALL the good reasons and not those that have already been beat to death. We need fresh arguments and the potential risk of fire is one of them.

So if we want to lose this one and lose BIG then lets just keep telling them we need our meds (which they already know and don't really care) as our primary argument and watch them whip this bill right on though. TBH, we should not be here debating this point we should be on the phone to all the house members with fresh new arguments of why not to pass this bill. Which we all know will nearly kill MMJ as we now know it in Colorado if enacted and left uncontested. As I said before though, even after this passes (and it will) we still have a gaggle of lawyers who are just itching to file the paperwork for the impending lawsuit when this passes. But, we should do everything we can BEFORE that point so we don't end up waisting MORE money on bad bills that range well into the thousands and thousands of dollars to pay the legislature to come up with stupid bills like Romer's 109 or 1284. When the suit is filed, then money has to be spent on lawyers, court costs, research, submissions/petitions/briefs to the court, evidence gathering/submission, in court time, blah, blah, blah. This ALL costs money and who ends up paying in the end? You, me, and the rest of the tax payers here in the great state of Colorado! We've waisted enough money we don't have on this insipid bill; letâ??s not waist any more money if we can at all avoid it.

So please see my argument for what it is and not for what itâ??s not. It is a GOOD reason NOT to pass this bill, no more; no less. I'm not trying to limit people. In fact, it's been a driving force in my life to fight for "freedom" for all.

This wasnâ??t the debate I expected to have over my post. I thought others would find wording offensive.

Peace, Love, and Hairspray,
j

[Klonzinc]

[quote=Justabloke]


So where are all these fires now? My guess is there are over 10,000 people growing in their house now and yet I have not heard of one fire from a grow other than some assclowns trying to make hash with butane. If you listen to the media and the DEA though one would think we're making nuclear weapons. I read one DEA agent telling the media that growers use oxygen tanks to grow bigger plants and they could explode an entire neighborhood, and of course the reporter prints it without checking facts.

I did not say this you got the quotes wrong, this was me quoting the op then answering him.

[Zedleppelin]

[quote=Zedleppelin]

We need GOOD reasons to defeat this bill. This is a good and plausible reason with real potential of causing fires. We need ALL the good reasons and not those that have already been beat to death. We need fresh arguments and the potential risk of fire is one of them.

So if we want to lose this one and lose BIG then lets just keep telling them we need our meds (which they already know and don't really care) as our primary argument and watch them whip this bill right on though. TBH, we should not be here debating this point we should be on the phone to all the house members with fresh new arguments of why not to pass this bill. Which we all know will nearly kill MMJ as we now know it in Colorado if enacted and left uncontested. As I said before though, even after this passes (and it will) we still have a gaggle of lawyers who are just itching to file the paperwork for the impending lawsuit when this passes. But, we should do everything we can BEFORE that point so we don't end up waisting MORE money on bad bills that range well into the thousands and thousands of dollars to pay the legislature to come up with stupid bills like Romer's 109 or 1284. When the suit is filed, then money has to be spent on lawyers, court costs, research, submissions/petitions/briefs to the court, evidence gathering/submission, in court time, blah, blah, blah. This ALL costs money and who ends up paying in the end? You, me, and the rest of the tax payers here in the great state of Colorado! We've waisted enough money we don't have on this insipid bill; letâ??s not waist any more money if we can at all avoid it.

So please see my argument for what it is and not for what itâ??s not. It is a GOOD reason NOT to pass this bill, no more; no less. I'm not trying to limit people. In fact, it's been a driving force in my life to fight for "freedom" for all.

This wasnâ??t the debate I expected to have over my post. I thought others would find wording offensive.

Peace, Love, and Hairspray,
j


My bad, I thought you were trying to argue against home growers, sorry.

You are correct we need fresh points to make, I dont know how 'fresh' it is because I've been saying it since day one but I dont hear anyone bringing it up. But what makes Romer think the DEA is just going to sit back and do nothing with these thousand plant grows? I heard him say yesterday that dispensaries will be able to grow without fear of prosecution, he cant possibly know what the DEA is going to do. Just last week they raided a warehouse grow in Denver. A couple of busts on these guys will effectively kill MMJ in Colorado since there will only be a few left after this bill becomes law.

[Justabloke]

Wow I just got some REALLY good news unrelated to this...

I just called Dianna over at NatuRx and found she has a blend of the two strains that work best for me...Northern Lights X White Widow!! I need to get out to Wheat Ridge Today. I've never seen quality meds like that for $43 an 1/8!

Prices are comming down and thanks to Dianna and people like her that are helping drive down prices. Thank you NatuRx!


j

[throatstick]

[quote=Zedleppelin]

We need GOOD reasons to defeat this bill. This is a good and plausible reason with real potential of causing fires. We need ALL the good reasons and not those that have already been beat to death. We need fresh arguments and the potential risk of fire is one of them.

So if we want to lose this one and lose BIG then lets just keep telling them we need our meds (which they already know and don't really care) as our primary argument and watch them whip this bill right on though. TBH, we should not be here debating this point we should be on the phone to all the house members with fresh new arguments of why not to pass this bill. Which we all know will nearly kill MMJ as we now know it in Colorado if enacted and left uncontested. As I said before though, even after this passes (and it will) we still have a gaggle of lawyers who are just itching to file the paperwork for the impending lawsuit when this passes. But, we should do everything we can BEFORE that point so we don't end up waisting MORE money on bad bills that range well into the thousands and thousands of dollars to pay the legislature to come up with stupid bills like Romer's 109 or 1284. When the suit is filed, then money has to be spent on lawyers, court costs, research, submissions/petitions/briefs to the court, evidence gathering/submission, in court time, blah, blah, blah. This ALL costs money and who ends up paying in the end? You, me, and the rest of the tax payers here in the great state of Colorado! We've waisted enough money we don't have on this insipid bill; letâ??s not waist any more money if we can at all avoid it.

So please see my argument for what it is and not for what itâ??s not. It is a GOOD reason NOT to pass this bill, no more; no less. I'm not trying to limit people. In fact, it's been a driving force in my life to fight for "freedom" for all.

This wasnâ??t the debate I expected to have over my post. I thought others would find wording offensive.

Peace, Love, and Hairspray,
j

i understand what you are trying to do but it's really not the way to go.where it passes or not people that grow will not change.as it sits right now people can grow in their homes all they want.if it passes there will still be shops just not as many.instead of people buying from the shops they will turn to the people that supply the shops now the caregiver.all in all it will be cutting out the middle man for alot of people.but with adding you can't have over 5 patients in this will drive up price.now you will be able to go past that but you will pretty much have to be a partner with a shop.either way it won't change the amount of people that are or are not growing very much.but by bring that subject up it would inturn back "fire" on you and give them the idea that growing on your own is bad cause you will burn your house down.even tho it's so far from the truth.

[throatstick]

Wow I just got some REALLY good news unrelated to this...

I just called Dianna over at NatuRx and found she has a blend of the two strains that work best for me...Northern Lights X White Widow!! I need to get out to Wheat Ridge Today. I've never seen quality meds like that for $43 an 1/8!

Prices are comming down and thanks to Dianna and people like her that are helping drive down prices. Thank you NatuRx!


j

stock up while ya can lmao.

[Justabloke]

stock up while ya can lmao.

Ha! Wish I could! But she has LOTS of it so I think I should be ok for a while. Well til I run out of money that is.

:dance:
j