Matt Brown is the ENEMY

[copobo]

he's sold us out!

tell him what you think!
[email protected]

Matthew Brown: Proposed Medical Marijuana Rules Would Rush Compliance (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matthew-brown/proposed-medical-marijuan_b_560196.html)

[GratefulMeds]

read his article, he is now complaining about the legislation because he feels he has been betrayed. When you play with snakes, you eventually get bit!:thumbsup:
Matthew Brown: Proposed Medical Marijuana Rules Would Rush Compliance (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matthew-brown/proposed-medical-marijuan_b_560196.html)

[copobo]

yup. he figured since he gave in so much all of his wishes would come true, but instead, he sold us all out and he's gonna get fucked too.

[Zedleppelin]

Yea no shit, now he's trying to act like he's for caregivers. Someone needs to kick this guys butt back to Kansas.

[TheReleafCenter]

More Matt Brown bashing? Yawn. He wrote a great piece for the Huff Post today: Matthew Brown: Proposed Medical Marijuana Rules Would Rush Compliance (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matthew-brown/proposed-medical-marijuan_b_560196.html)

Hardly sounds like the words of the "enemy." Romer is the real opponent here.

[copobo]

Matt Brown helped push this shit through.

He's been right there with Romer all along. They just finally added something he didnt like in the last half mile of the race.

[Zedleppelin]

More Matt Brown bashing? Yawn. He wrote a great piece for the Huff Post today: Matthew Brown: Proposed Medical Marijuana Rules Would Rush Compliance (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matthew-brown/proposed-medical-marijuan_b_560196.html)

Hardly sounds like the words of the "enemy." Romer is the real opponent here.

Really? Maybe you should talk to Wanda James, the President of CMMR. In her words she says "he is at the Capitol almost every day and he is doing it to make sure we have an industry. An industry he has a lot of love and respect for." She has also said Matt Brown is Romers best friend, and without Matt this bill would have never been possible.

Now Romers changed the rules in the 4th quarter and Matts pissed off. The guy could care less about MMJ, he is a professional lackey.

[TheReleafCenter]

Who is the "he" in Wanda's quote?

I really respect her and Scott, I'll have to chat her up... it's been a while.

[canaguy27]

Matt Brown is only interested in helping out CMMR

If you are not giving him money, he was trying to get Romer to put you out of business. Romer played Brown, and now Brown and CMMR donators are pissed. They threw all this money at it and got screwed.

CMMR is out to crush the competition and remain standing after everything goes down. Now they are scrambling.

[TheReleafCenter]

Who is the competition CMMR wants to crush?

[canaguy27]

Who is the competition CMMR wants to crush?

non CMMR contributors. even the ones who give CMMR a little money. they want to keep the big boys $$ in play.

[TheReleafCenter]

People who do and don't contribute to CMMR have similar goals, though. It seems impossible for him to craft some kind of legislation that only benefits his limited contributors, then get it through the state House and Senate.

[canaguy27]

People who do and don't contribute to CMMR have similar goals, though. It seems impossible for him to craft some kind of legislation that only benefits his limited contributors, then get it through the state House and Senate.

Romer want to put 80% of dispensaries out of business. Who do you think the 20% that will stay open are? The little guy can't afford those fees.

It is passing right through from my perspective.

[TheReleafCenter]

If they were just about money, wouldn't it make sense to keep as many dispensaries open as possible, hence more donation $$?

[copobo]

really, the simple fact is Matt made a deal with the devil (Romer) hoping to get some sort of state legislation through as he thinks with that, the industry will be legit.

Well, the industry already is legit. We need patient centered legislation - not law enforcement centered legislation. We don't need armed guards and a new bureaucracy to do this.

[TheReleafCenter]

I agree, this is big government getting even bigger. Instead of using this licensing money to help the state, they're trying to put together these agencies on the fly so they'll be able to spend more money on them.

So what do you guys think Romer's overall motivation is?

[copobo]

his overall motivation is name recognition.

[TurboALLWD]

If they were just about money, wouldn't it make sense to keep as many dispensaries open as possible, hence more donation $$?

You're right, if they were just about the money(what else would it be? certainly not about the patients) they would want as many application fee's as possible, assuming their not getting paid in other ways. It only makes sense to think their dirty, why else would they want to take out 80 percent of the dispensaries and kill all small business? Not just tax the shit out of us, but completely eliminate us. I just cant see why they would want to make a monopoly out of this industry. They can get their taxes without screwing everyone out of the business, there has to be a reason why there screwing us.

Their getting paid.

[Dorje113]

I agree, this is big government getting even bigger. Instead of using this licensing money to help the state, they're trying to put together these agencies on the fly so they'll be able to spend more money on them.

So what do you guys think Romer's overall motivation is?

I know a disp owner who's been talking with him. His (the disp owner's) intentions were good, and Romer basically told him that disps "lost" and people don't want them around. He's not talking with Romer after that. Romer's motivation is to drastically reduce the number of disps in CO and regulate the remaining disps tightly. I'm sure he has other motivations too, like making it impossible to make money being a caregiver...

[copobo]

and word is Romer is interested in being Mayor. Does he realize Denver voted to legalize??!! These are the same voters that would be electing mayor, what is he thinking?!

[TheReleafCenter]

So you guys think that Matt Brown gave Romer a bunch of money, only Romer said "Eff you!" in the eleventh hour? I'm trying to find the narrative.

[copobo]

no. we do think some big dispensaries gave some big $$ to COMMR and he is beholding to them, not the patients or the small shops.

[lampost]

Don't we realize that this country is still full of crazy Christian conservatives!!

Nearly half the country are of this persuasion and medical marijuana dispensaries threaten their entire ideology and hopes for a Jesus-nation!!

Can't we see that this regulation's main focus is to get rid of the vast majority of dispensaries... ridding ourselves of the devil-shops that riddle every nook and cranny of Denver now!

The lawmakers pushing this bill don't give a fuck about the patients and the quality of medicine going down... they don't care because they don't really think it's medicine! Sure it eases people's suffering, but it's not medicine to them. This is all about politics. They are going to reduce the number of dispensaries by whatever percentage (87.4%) and there is nothing that's going to stop them. They've got to "save" Denver from becoming an immoral cesspool and they've got to win Conservative voters in the process...

[lampost]

I'm sorry if I offended any Christians. It's not Christians per se, but the holier than thou imposing Christians who are the problem...

That's the really the only reason you can continue a drug war that makes absolutely no sense on paper. We could end it and save boatloads of money AND probably make the drug abuse/crime rates fall in the process. It's really an amazing solution to a lot of what currently ails our society... it's an elephant in the room... and it disgusts me that it's not a much bigger issue than it is. Silly policy that doesn't jive with our core values... liberty. Goddamn it!!!

[TheReleafCenter]

no. we do think some big dispensaries gave some big $$ to COMMR and he is beholding to them, not the patients or the small shops.

I agree that patients, or individuals who caregive, are getting the short end of the stick here. That's kind of politics as usual; the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

He said the largest donation he's had was $6000. We donated $1000 back in December or January. We didn't do it under the guise that we wanted small shops put under or anything Machiavellian like that. I think a lot of the donors just thought there was going to be a push to end MMJ and wanted to help in any way they could. Who knows, it may have helped, it may have only bolstered guys like Romer.

No offense, but it sounds like there is a lot of speculation going on. I don't even know who the "big dispensaries" are. I mean, when I think high end dispensaries, I think of guys like D9... but they said in another thread they would be gone in July if this holds up. Anyone want to make a list of who they think these "big dispensaries" are that would benefit from the new regulations?

[lampost]

I agree that patients, or individuals who caregive, are getting the short end of the stick here. That's kind of politics as usual; the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

He said the largest donation he's had was $6000. We donated $1000 back in December or January. We didn't do it under the guise that we wanted small shops put under or anything Machiavellian like that. I think a lot of the donors just thought there was going to be a push to end MMJ and wanted to help in any way they could. Who knows, it may have helped, it may have only bolstered guys like Romer.

Can someone explain to me who this Matt Brown guy is? He is a lobbyist, correct? Sounds like he is from Kansas which is an immediate negative in my eyes. I hate that place. So what is this guy doing here? Why is he lobbying in Colorado rather than Kansas? How long has he been in the "scene"? Is he a patient? Rec smoker? Is he motivated by a passion for herb or motivated by politics?

I really don't know enough about this guy to have an opinion. Seems like everyone is convinced he's shady though...


No offense, but it sounds like there is a lot of speculation going on.

I agree. I want to see why this guy sucks so bad! It sounds like he does from the little I know about him, but I'll admit that's hardly anything at all!



I don't even know who the "big dispensaries" are.

Well everyone knows The Farmacy and Peace in Medicine... there's more but they haven't all been fleshed out. There was another thread trying to identify these dispensaries, but it got a little too speculative...



I mean, when I think high end dispensaries, I think of guys like D9... but they said in another thread they would be gone in July if this holds up. Anyone want to make a list of who they think these "big dispensaries" are that would benefit from the new regulations?

Seriously, D9? No offense, but I probably would've thought you guys were lumped in with big money before D9. No questioning what Ironlung has brought to this community (BBanner). Seems like there's more money involved at your place...
Are you guys planning on sticking around and paying the fees or folding with the likes of D9 and GM? Hope you can hang in there! Unlike some I don't consider you guys evil for wanting to fight for you investment.
Anyway, here's a link to that thread trying to identify the Cali-owned / Big-money dispensaries:

http://boards.cannabis.com/colorado-co/184317-cali-carpetbagger-dispensaries-lets-identify-them.html

:rastasmoke:

[copobo]

other than the fact that it's being rushed and the 70/30 thing - he likes the bill. we would all be better off without it alltogether.

If there is a bill that dispensaries want, and patients and caregivers don't - then maybe we aren't on the same side?

Why should patients and small time caregivers get shafted? It's the entirely wrong place to make concessions.

[canaguy27]

I don't even know who the "big dispensaries" are.

The Farmacy in Boulder, Piece in Medicine, Apothocary of Colorado, Lotus, etc.

[Kartel]

The Farmacy in Boulder, Piece in Medicine, Apothocary of Colorado, Lotus, etc.

Lotus is big money? The owner lives up the road from me.... not really big money, those guys are always broke!


I'd be suspicious of local product, they are linked with Harborside in CA, those guys gross more than 20million a year.....

[TheReleafCenter]

The Farmacy in Boulder, Piece in Medicine, Apothocary of Colorado, Lotus, etc.

Here's the list of their contributors:

Founding Members

Full Spectrum Laboratories
Peace In Medicine Center
Top Shelf Alternatives
Compassionate Care Givers Inc
Rocky Mountain Farmacy
Patients Choice
High Country Supply
Rocky Mountain Organics
Pain Management of Colorado
Altermeds
The Health Center
Medical Marijuana 101 LLC
MGI Inc
Diversified Wellness Solutions
Natural Remedies
Organic Mechanics
Herbal Connections
Boulder Kind Care
Compassionate Pain Management
Ballpark Holistic Dispensary
Lotus Medical American Medical Technologies
Wellspring Collective


Supporting Members

Northern Lights Naturals
Mahooka Meds
Broadway Wellness
The Farmacy
Mountain Medicinals
Vincent Saturnino

[TheReleafCenter]

I agree. I want to see why this guy sucks so bad! It sounds like he does from the little I know about him, but I'll admit that's hardly anything at all!

Here's the bio from CMMR:


At the age of 19, Matt was diagnosed with Crohnâ??s Disease, a chronic intestinal disorder. In 2007, after years of trying a variety of traditional therapies to treat the symptoms of Crohnâ??s, Matt received a doctorâ??s recommendation for medical marijuana and was added to the Colorado Medical Marijuana Registry. As interest grew in a variety of caregiver business models throughout early 2009, Matt was approached by several business acquaintances to help them better understand the regulations surrounding dispensaries and medical marijuana grow operations. From this starting point, Matt founded Colorado CannaBusiness Consultants where he has since consulted with over 100 Colorado caregiver organizations on how to understand the present laws and regulations as well as how to prepare their business for better regulations in the future.

Matt graduated magna cum laude from Boston Universityâ??s School of Management with a B.S. in Management, concentration in Finance. He then worked for Bloomberg LP in a variety of positions, including founding the Islamic Banking functionality on the Bloomberg Terminal. After Bloomberg, Matt joined Accenture as a Sales Strategy Consultant. While at Accenture, Matt consulted for a variety of clients including Verizon, Best Buy and Cardinal Health. Matt left Accenture in 2007 to co-found a Denver-based technology startup.

And we are by NO means big money. LOL. I'm jealous of the guys with these bloated ad budgets and flat screens on the wall. Looks like we'll just have to keep doing it with knowledge and good meds.

[Kartel]

Here's the list of their contributors:

rocky mountain organic, broadway wellness, peace in medicine, the health center, ..... is this a list of places not to shop at? :thumbsup:

:cool:

[Klonzinc]

Here's the list of their contributors:

Looking at your list I noticed a few shops I sell wholesale to, who are these folks contributors and supporters of, I am confused or just can not keep up but do not want to end a business relationship with a disp. over hearsay, but I have already dropped a few due to thier own admitted support of the mess of a bill and they are not on the list, could some onew please clarify this for me......:rastasmoke:

[Kartel]

Looking at your list I noticed a few shops I sell wholesale to, who are these folks contributors and supporters of, I am confused or just can not keep up but do not want to end a business relationship with a disp. over hearsay, but I have already dropped a few due to thier own admitted support of the mess of a bill and they are not on the list, could some onew please clarify this for me......:rastasmoke:

This is the list of shops that donate to the CMMR (something like coloradoans for medical marijuana regulation) group that Matt Brown is speaking for. This group supports the bill, and I've met half the crew and can tell you, they got no love for the plant. :mad::mad

[GratefulMeds]

Founding Members

Full Spectrum Laboratories
Peace In Medicine Center
Top Shelf Alternatives
Compassionate Care Givers Inc
Rocky Mountain Farmacy
Patients Choice
High Country Supply
Rocky Mountain Organics
Pain Management of Colorado
Altermeds
The Health Center
Medical Marijuana 101 LLC
MGI Inc
Diversified Wellness Solutions
Natural Remedies
Organic Mechanics
Herbal Connections
Boulder Kind Care
Compassionate Pain Management
Ballpark Holistic Dispensary
Lotus Medical American Medical Technologies
Wellspring Collective


Supporting Members

Northern Lights Naturals
Mahooka Meds
Broadway Wellness
The Farmacy
Mountain Medicinals
Vincent Saturnino


Josh Stanley ( with Peace & Medicine, and budding medicine ) and Green Docs have left CMMR over a dispute! they are turning on each other now.:thumbsup:

[Klonzinc]

Here's the list of their contributors:


Founding Members

Full Spectrum Laboratories
Peace In Medicine Center
Top Shelf Alternatives
Compassionate Care Givers Inc
Rocky Mountain Farmacy
Patients Choice
High Country Supply
Rocky Mountain Organics
Pain Management of Colorado
Altermeds
The Health Center
Medical Marijuana 101 LLC
MGI Inc
Diversified Wellness Solutions
Natural Remedies
Organic Mechanics
Herbal Connections
Boulder Kind Care
Compassionate Pain Management
Ballpark Holistic Dispensary
Lotus Medical American Medical Technologies
Wellspring Collective


Supporting Members

Northern Lights Naturals
Mahooka Meds
Broadway Wellness
The Farmacy
Mountain Medicinals
Vincent Saturnino


Josh Stanley ( with Peace & Medicine, and budding medicine ) and Green Docs have left CMMR over a dispute! they are turning on each other now.:thumbsup:

Thanks for the info, I guess now I need to drop another buyer, bummer.

[GratefulMeds]

Thanks for the info, I guess now I need to drop another buyer, bummer.

Terry,
I would verify for yourself by asking them before you drop em, I would hate to hang a person without a trail.

[Klonzinc]

Most defiantly, just was wondering if I was going to have to do that, thought I had already dissolved business with all of the supporters of this mess, hey Mark did you get the list I sent you yesterday? I was planning on bring those cs babies up to you this weekend. Give me a shout or shoot me an email.:rastasmoke:

[GratefulMeds]

Most defiantly, just was wondering if I was going to have to do that, thought I had already dissolved business with all of the supporters of this mess, hey Mark did you get the list I sent you yesterday? I was planning on bring those cs babies up to you this weekend. Give me a shout or shoot me an email.:rastasmoke:

I did not get it shoot it to me again, I also have some Headband that is out of this [email protected]:thumbsup::thumbsup::thum bsup:

[Zedleppelin]

Josh Stanley ( with Peace & Medicine, and budding medicine ) and Green Docs have left CMMR over a dispute! they are turning on each other now.:thumbsup:

I heard something about that, do you have any details?

[GratefulMeds]

I heard something about that, do you have any details?

nothing more then that, I do know at the last public hearing Stanley and Green Docs (which made me sick) still supported it even with the amendments and CMMR did not.:wtf:

[Reenster]

This is in todays Huffington Post:


Despite the crack-down on medical marijuana, many in the industry are pleased that the legislation seems to be winning the support of most interested parties. Matt Brown, president of Coloradans for Medical Marijuana Regulation, an group that represents dispensary owners and patients, supports the bill as it stands now despite opposition to several amendments.

Brown specifically objects to the amendment allowing municipalities to ban large dispensaries, and says that the bill does not allow enough time for dispensaries to comply with the 70% home-grown rule.

I found it intersting that the term large dispensaries is made. There is also a download for the exisiting bill.

Here is the link:

Colorado Medical Marijuana Bill Poised To Clear Final Legislative Hurdles (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/06/colorado-medical-marijuan_n_565948.html)

[copobo]

I personally can't wait to see Matt in person at an event. I plan to loudly tell him what a piece of shit he is.

[MysteryBee]

No offense, but it sounds like there is a lot of speculation going on. I don't even know who the "big dispensaries" are. I mean, when I think high end dispensaries, I think of guys like D9... but they said in another thread they would be gone in July if this holds up. Anyone want to make a list of who they think these "big dispensaries" are that would benefit from the new regulations?

What can we do to help? This sounds like a great idea and we're already three dispensaries deep.

So... releaf, I don't mean to nag but Aren't these big dispensaries you? Didn't you guys say you own something like 3 shops in another thread? didn't you say you'd be around after the bill? It's arbitrary either way, any place that justifies charging more than what a BLACKMARKET charges is in it to make money the enemy is one in the same and now it's going to cost the people even more. Dispensaries will just die which might be the point of the bill. I can't see many people paying double what it cost on the black market and some places are charging 1 and half what the amrket is after this bill will pass. People need to get there head out of their ass and just legalize it (:rastasmoke:) so that way it's a personal lifstyle choice versus a huge market to make money. The government makes money already by putting people in jail by sucking up our tax money. I feel bad for the legitimate business with GREAT product that will go :( , If jeff goes (and I talked to him, he will), anna goes and we already lost bryan then I guess it's time to grow :cool: I know Herbal connects will most likely stay open but I also was told from a popular dispensary and I QUOTE, "The fee's and overhead will definitely be passed down to the patients which is too bad" which left a bad taste in my mouth.

[copobo]

Releaf - just keep your price the same and we're good!

[lampost]

Dispensaries will just die which might be the point of the bill.
I think that was a major aim of the bill along with eliminating large caregivers. Romer will be able to tout this as a tangible success come November when all the dispensaries are gone! Unfortunately, it's likely a majority in Denver will see this as a positive thing... there were far too many in Denver. I even thought they needed to get rid of some, but not like this... it should've been free market or less devastating legislation.:buzz_saw:


I feel bad for the legitimate business with GREAT product that will go :( , If jeff goes (and I talked to him, he will)
That's a bummer! I'm going to have to start finding out which of the 4-5 I like are closing up shop.. it sounds already like at least 3 of them are. Gonna have to stock up soon...
Can anyone give an idea of when dispensaries who choose not to follow new regulations will be closing?! :toilet_claw: Not sure when these go into effect... immediately or one of the dates they gave in the bill the first of which being sometime in July 2010 I believe.
What are chances of getting an injunction or fighting this somehow in the courts? I'm not very savvy on politics and the legislation process so I'm unclear on this...


The fee's and overhead will definitely be passed down to the patients which is too bad" which left a bad taste in my mouth.
Yeah, I would be surprised if you could find an 1/8th in a dispensary for less than $60 when this goes into full effect.

[lampost]

Releaf - just keep your price the same and we're good!

ReLeaf do you guys plan on sticking around when/if the bill becomes a certainty?:weedpoke:

[Justabloke]

I agree, this is big government getting even bigger. Instead of using this licensing money to help the state, they're trying to put together these agencies on the fly so they'll be able to spend more money on them.

So what do you guys think Romer's overall motivation is?

Morn TRC/Jake and all.

I don't think Romer has any one motivation. I think his main motivation is the fact he feels MMJ is bad for Colorado. We ALL have undergone 70+ years of brain washing around Marijuana some of us are harder to deprogram than others.

I'm sure politics play a part in it. I'm told he's planning on runnin' for the Gov's seat. A crushing blow to MMJ would look very good to those who would support him.

And yes, I'm sure he's making money off this somehow!

With as bad as Romer is to us I think there are others who are worse like that Nazi who said Ritter should have called the National Guard out on 4/20 to round everyone (48k ppl) up and take away their MMJ cards. :eek::wtf3:

We need to get these people out of any sort of politics and see to it they don't reenter until they can behave themselves! (Note the condescending attitude, I donâ??t want it to go to waste) :thumbsup: More than that, we need to be there when they clean out their desks and let them know just exactly who removed them from their job when they are.

Whoâ??s the "we?"That would be us "The People." That is the underlying problem. They don't see us as "The People." They only see us "the pot-heads."

j

[MMJinColorado]

Let's not forget Senator Spence and her constant refrain of "the drug cartels are gonna come get me if I pass this"... so fucking ridiculous. It's nothing but theater and career advancement for these people, the vast majority have no clue. Let's hope you're wrong about the perception of Romer after this, but I think you're probably spot-on. He'll be the MMJ pariah for the rest of his political career and I hope Denver chases him down like a dog when he runs for mayor and ruins his chances. But yeah, state-wide, this probably plays well for him, the bastard.

[Justabloke]

I agree that patients, or individuals who caregive, are getting the short end of the stick here. That's kind of politics as usual; the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

He said the largest donation he's had was $6000. We donated $1000 back in December or January. We didn't do it under the guise that we wanted small shops put under or anything Machiavellian like that. I think a lot of the donors just thought there was going to be a push to end MMJ and wanted to help in any way they could. Who knows, it may have helped, it may have only bolstered guys like Romer.

No offense, but it sounds like there is a lot of speculation going on. I don't even know who the "big dispensaries" are. I mean, when I think high end dispensaries, I think of guys like D9... but they said in another thread they would be gone in July if this holds up. Anyone want to make a list of who they think these "big dispensaries" are that would benefit from the new regulations?

None taken but our community has always been squarly focused on speculation, rumer, and conjecture. Nothing new here.

Based solely on the size of building and not the patient load I think RLC could be considered "big."

That said, no one will "benefit" from this law. Yeah some will stay open while the majority close.

BUT, nobody wins here. This is clearly a lose lose situation.

j

[canaguy27]

Romer isn't going for governor. Hickenlooper is and Romer is going to go after the Denver Mayor Seat. That's what i was thinking anyway. When the mag gets published, ill post up a cartoon I had done up for it.