GM refuses to pay States 1284 Ransom

[GratefulMeds]

We will be having killer sales up to July 1st, with the intent of getting as much high quality medicine out there as cheap as possible. We will also be using the cash generated for a legal appeal of 1284. I got word from a reliable source in the know that this could get rammed through and signed in 10 days. We will call it quits before we pay these draconian fees designed to cut out the small grower and raise prices so the "Big Money" boys can make profits after the State forced 90% of there competition out of business.

In a year the system as is has almost wiped out the black market free of charge! It has forced the price of a pound to drop over $1000.00! And they say 1284 is to protect the patients, I think we were doing pretty good on our own.

The Drug War is a multi-billion dollar industry and won't go away without a fight.
As far as Colorado goes I believe this whole year we have been just sitting down to the poker table. Now the cards have finally been dealt and it's time to see who folds first.:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Delta9Caregivrs]

We r also in yr boat.. Kiss us goodbye in July if this holds up..
GM call me at the shop and let's pool our resources a fight this bs

Jason
delta9

ps my sources hav this bill being signed next week

[copobo]

best of luck Mark. Thanks for showing up to the hearings and speaking for us.

[GratefulMeds]

best of luck Mark. Thanks for showing up to the hearings and speaking for us.

My pleasure and we are not done fighting this but alas "Takers get the Honey, Giver's sing the blues!":wtf:

[cronicmonster]

We will be having killer sales up to July 1st, with the intent of getting as much high quality medicine out there as cheap as possible. We will also be using the cash generated for a legal appeal of 1284. I got word from a reliable source in the know that this could get rammed through and signed in 10 days. We will call it quits before we pay these draconian fees designed to cut out the small grower and raise prices so the "Big Money" boys can make profits after the State forced 90% of there competition out of business.

In a year the system as is has almost wiped out the black market free of charge! It has forced the price of a pound to drop over $1000.00! And they say 1284 is to protect the patients, I think we were doing pretty good on our own.

The Drug War is a multi-billion dollar industry and won't go away without a fight.
As far as Colorado goes I believe this whole year we have been just sitting down to the poker table. Now the cards have finally been dealt and it's time to see who folds first.:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

So ....Quit whining and take your $ and run....We feel so sorry for you!

[COzigzag]

We will call it quits before we pay these draconian fees designed to cut out the small grower and raise prices so the "Big Money" boys can make profits after the State forced 90% of there competition out of business.

Who exactly are the "Big Money" boys you refer too? I keep reading how the big boys and big dispensaries are going to monopolize the market and squeeze out the small growers but who are these people/dispensaries?

I personally will not be supporting them in any way, shape, or form! :wtf:

I also take exception that any transaction I make with a dispensary will be recorded for auditing purposes. :mad:

Thank you!

[GratefulMeds]

So ....Quit whining and take your $ and run....We feel so sorry for you!
No it's me that feels sorry for you!
it's A-holes like you that have helped make this happen with your illusions that we are all just raking in the cash and feeding that notion to the media, if you only knew the real work & overhead involved.
I've been helping folks get there medicine most likely longer then you have been on this earth. And I will continue to do so regardless! And by the way when I walk away I will sleep well knowing I gave it my all and tried to give my patrons the very best quality at the lowest price possible.:thumbsup:

[Feijao]

D9 and GM what are your plans after closing your doors? I wish you guys the best which ever way you decide to go.

Thanks for all the help and info,
Mike

[TheReleafCenter]

What can we do to help? This sounds like a great idea and we're already three dispensaries deep.

[GratefulMeds]

Who exactly are the "Big Money" boys you refer too? I keep reading how the big boys and big dispensaries are going to monopolize the market and squeeze out the small growers but who are these people/dispensaries?

I personally will not be supporting them in any way, shape, or form! :wtf:

I also take exception that any transaction I make with a dispensary will be recorded for auditing purposes. :mad:

Thank you!

Josh Stanley for one, Peace and Medicine Center but now he has changed the name and opened two more. The Farmacy also seems to be in Romers pocket.

[GratefulMeds]

What can we do to help? This sounds like a great idea and we're already three dispensaries deep.

What we need to do is pool our funds, and get someone like a Rob Corry that isn't going to sell us out to file a class action suit. We also need to appeal the law as soon as it's signed. I would like to see as many dispensaries as possible on these actions.:jointsmile:

[TheReleafCenter]

Who exactly are the "Big Money" boys you refer too? I keep reading how the big boys and big dispensaries are going to monopolize the market and squeeze out the small growers but who are these people/dispensaries?

I personally will not be supporting them in any way, shape, or form! :wtf:

I also take exception that any transaction I make with a dispensary will be recorded for auditing purposes. :mad:

Thank you!

See: Farmacy, The. Big Cali money. I'm assuming Patient's Choice would still be in play. Same for Herbal Remedies. Other than that, I'm not sure.

[TheReleafCenter]

What we need to do is pool our funds, and get someone like a Rob Corry that isn't going to sell us out to file a class action suit. We also need to appeal the law as soon as it's signed. I would like to see as many dispensaries as possible on these actions.:jointsmile:

Rob has a non-profit already, right? Brian Vicente's ballot initiative looks like the most cohesive thing I've seen yet.

[Zedleppelin]

So ....Quit whining and take your $ and run....We feel so sorry for you!

Hey there Matt Brown, how are ya?

[GratefulMeds]

Rob has a non-profit already, right? Brian Vicente's ballot initiative looks like the most cohesive thing I've seen yet.

I would go with Rob on this one, Brian has been making me a bit nervous lately. I like Brians ballot initiative but I don't think it goes far enough.

[puntacometa]

Who exactly are the "Big Money" boys you refer too? I keep reading how the big boys and big dispensaries are going to monopolize the market and squeeze out the small growers but who are these people/dispensaries?

I personally will not be supporting them in any way, shape, or form! :wtf:

I also take exception that any transaction I make with a dispensary will be recorded for auditing purposes. :mad:

Thank you!


You can find the big dispensaries by going to one of the dispensary directories and looking for the same dispensary name in multiple towns. One I know of is sorta' like McDonalds. They offer franchises. I've even heard one grower say that they came into a certain town and offered to sell him a franchise for a hefty sum. When he refused, they basically told him they would put him out of business. This is heresay, but it is from a source who I believe is credible.

[heathen4life]

thank you all for your hard work and dedication on the front lines of this battle for are god givin rights im glad to here your not done fighting. i as a patient and activist will not be done either...together we are strong

[dedliug]

my buddy works for a cali carpetbagger dispenary...wellspring i think it is called

so glad our representatives are helping out the cali big money and shutting down the locals

also, i can say from being next to them at the dancin in the streets festival last summer that josh stanley is a douchebag...glad hes set up with this

finally, i am pretty sure green roots on tennyson is a cali carpetbagger too

[palerider7777]

So ....Quit whining and take your $ and run....We feel so sorry for you!

good thing all talking is done over the computer these days huh?:thumbsup:

[cronicmonster]

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Never argue with an idiot; they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." ~ Anonymou

[lampost]

See: Farmacy, The. Big Cali money. I'm assuming Patient's Choice would still be in play. Same for Herbal Remedies. Other than that, I'm not sure.

Man this is a bummer. Gone are the likes of D9 and GM and welcome to the fuckin "Herbal Remedies" of the world! That place is the biggest scam I've ever seen! They are ripping off Grandmas and people who know nothing. Never have I been in a place that was so blatantly about profit!

[palerider7777]

No it's me that feels sorry for you!
it's A-holes like you that have helped make this happen with your illusions that we are all just raking in the cash and feeding that notion to the media, if you only knew the real work & overhead involved.
I've been helping folks get there medicine most likely longer then you have been on this earth. And I will continue to do so regardless! And by the way when I walk away I will sleep well knowing I gave it my all and tried to give my patrons the very best quality at the lowest price possible.:thumbsup:

no people like that will never know how much hard work is involved.they are to busy running those silk lips.

i myself have only been to you're shop once to buy 4 pks of tga beans and it was a great price.compared to having to bid on them and wait weeks to get them.you have alot of strains to choose from too on the wall at great prices.

i don't see where you are making a boat load of cash like those chuckleheads seems to think.makes no sense that would be like me going to their jobs and telling their boss hey i think you are paying these guys to much an hour.the boss would say you really think 5.25 an hr is to much? i'd say yea from the looks of it cause everytime i order,:smokin: my food is cold.......

[palerider7777]

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Never argue with an idiot; they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." ~ Anonymou

im your huckleberry.....:thumbsup:

[palerider7777]

I would go with Rob on this one, Brian has been making me a bit nervous lately. I like Brians ballot initiative but I don't think it goes far enough.

well after reading the part where after it was all said and done he was fine with it?wtf really naw something is'nt right with that statement..

[palerider7777]

Man this is a bummer. Gone are the likes of D9 and GM and welcome to the fuckin "Herbal Remedies" of the world! That place is the biggest scam I've ever seen! They are ripping off Grandmas and people who know nothing. Never have I been in a place that was so blatantly about profit!

yup welcome to the world of mediocre= top notch.cause i don't see any real grower putting his/her face out there and paying all those fees to work with a shop.some may but i don't see many doing it with all the risks they will be taking.

[TurboALLWD]

yup welcome to the world of mediocre= top notch.cause i don't see any real grower putting his/her face out there and paying all those fees to work with a shop.some may but i don't see many doing it with all the risks they will be taking.

The patients I've talked to say they don't give a shit what happens, they'll still be getting their buds from other patients w/caregivers if their own doesn't have the quality/variety they need. Sounds like underground talk to me but who the hell is going to police all of the patients and make sure their not up to anything? I can see them handling caregivers and dispensaries but 100,000 patients? LAWL :D

[palerider7777]

The patients I've talked to say they don't give a shit what happens, they'll still be getting their buds from other patients w/caregivers if their own doesn't have the quality/variety they need. Sounds like underground talk to me but who the hell is going to police all of the patients and make sure their not up to anything? I can see them handling caregivers and dispensaries but 100,000 patients? LAWL :D

yup i believe or atleast thats what im going to do is stay at the 5 patient count if that is passed as well and just deal with patients.network that way.

but we might want to not talk to much on here about anything really as im for sure there are a few moles lurking about.

[denverbear]

So ....Quit whining and take your $ and run....We feel so sorry for you!

very un-cool response if it was meant in a mean way....we need to stand behind are current dispensary's not attack them....

respectfully said.

[CannnaLady]

greatfulmeds:
I own a small dispensary in denver and will also refuse to give into this state wide BS and will be closing down if this passes as is. Could you please e-mail me more about this legal appeal? how much money would you need all together? Willing to help out in anyway we can! I feel like I've had to stress through this entire Denver BS (which was sensible enough...i guess) just to have to stress out about the state. I'd like to know a little more of a plan of action for a legal appeal if this does happen to fall in our laps.
Thank You,
[email protected]

[Vancefish]

Well I can tell you, there are at least four dispensaries I'd be willing to support.:thumbsup:

Thanks you four. I'm just a poor schlep, However I'd still be willing to pitch in though. :D

I am still in the set up stages to be a caregiver. So I've invested every extra nickel I've had, for the last four months, into equipment. Once this passes (god forbid), I'll have to drop the whole thing.:mad:

[lampost]

Well, I'd be curious to know what's happening to some of my favorite places. It looks like D9 and GM will be gone unfortunately... what about some of the other guys on here?

Pure?
ReLeaf?
Others...

[Delta9Caregivrs]

Considering moving the show to Missoula, Montana.. The MMJ movement just started up and if there is one thing I learned ab my time in college here, it's Montanans don't like government up in their business.. Things keep up it will be the last free place in the states.. Until big Cali $$ comes in and regulates it..

[palerider7777]

Considering moving the show to Missoula, Montana.. The MMJ movement just started up and if there is one thing I learned ab my time in college here, it's Montanans don't like government up in their business.. Things keep up it will be the last free place in the states.. Until big Cali $$ comes in and regulates it..

how hard is getting a card there tho? same plant count as here and everything or better??

[vegetabongrips]

how hard is getting a card there tho? same plant count as here and everything or better??

$25 for a card ($10 for renewal!!!!), about the same kinda reasons/difficulty, 6 plants and 1oz max as a patient. idk the caregiver end.

[Vancefish]

Montana is also the only state to accept out of state cards! :thumbsup:

Land got a bit spendy up there though.:(

[ThaiBuddhaMan]

Ain't no way you could get me to move to Montana! It's cold enough here! My south pacific islander ass can't handle the cold! hahaha!

[canaguy27]

If you look at the bill, they are using our $90 AGAINST the patients. "Auditors with guns", etc and we are paying for it. Romer snuck in several last minute additions that even got the CMMR lobbying dispensaries t'd off (apothecary, peace in medicine, etc.)

There is quite a bit of unconstitutionality in the bill, but someone will have to pay $ and time to test it.

Romer is going to run for mayor, and we must crush him. I have several videos where he basically says he is for us, but now he has fucked us. Which I will turn over to his opposition.

So, why pay the $90 fee? I have never had issues with finding product before this. We stop paying the fee and they stop being able to pay for auditors with guns and the like.

They are just fighting over the money; when it's gone then they will move on.

I don't like what Matt Brown has/is doing, and Vincente makes me nervous as well. I am not a big fan of Corry, but he may be the guy.

edit: I dont have a dispensary, but I am involved with Mile Hi MMJ Patient Magazine (http://www.milehimmjpatient.com/). If one of you had a story to tell about the whole situtation or a call to arms, we go to print next week for the next issue. It would be great to get it in. We hand out 10,000 copies to most dispensaries in the metro area, so it will get into the hand of patients. I don't think most of them have any idea of what is going on.

[GratefulMeds]

If you look at the bill, they are using our $90 AGAINST the patients. "Auditors with guns", etc and we are paying for it. Romer snuck in several last minute additions that even got the CMMR lobbying dispensaries t'd off (apothecary, peace in medicine, etc.)

There is quite a bit of unconstitutionality in the bill, but someone will have to pay $ and time to test it.

Romer is going to run for mayor, and we must crush him. I have several videos where he basically says he is for us, but now he has fucked us. Which I will turn over to his opposition.

So, why pay the $90 fee? I have never had issues with finding product before this. We stop paying the fee and they stop being able to pay for auditors with guns and the like.

They are just fighting over the money; when it's gone then they will move on.

I don't like what Matt Brown has/is doing, and Vincente makes me nervous as well. I am not a big fan of Corry, but he may be the guy.

edit: I dont have a dispensary, but I am involved with Mile Hi MMJ Patient Magazine (http://www.milehimmjpatient.com/). If one of you had a story to tell about the whole situtation or a call to arms, we go to print next week for the next issue. It would be great to get it in. We hand out 10,000 copies to most dispensaries in the metro area, so it will get into the hand of patients. I don't think most of them have any idea of what is going on.

I believe if we defeat Romer in whatever office he chooses to run for we will send a loud message. We have to publicly shame these people, I wonder if anyone would donate expertise in putting together a video to run on the net, and TV if we can buy the time.:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[FarmerSteve]

I have a friend, and I only have a few of those, who has worked with the lead guy at NORML (not that it means anything) and has put together pro MJ stuff in Wyoming, which is like organizing a love rally in hell. Anyway, he is stupidly educated, motivated and pissed, and has an endless amount of energy. He would be PERFECT to be at the forefront of a group to fight this. And while he may not be an attorney, he understands the judicial process and is classically educated in such issues, it is his passion. He can be annoying as HELL with how persistent he can be. In other words, perfect if he's on your team.

One of our main problems is that we're fighting fire with hope, it's time for fire.

I don't have time to read this whole thread, and I need to save my energy at this point, BUT we NEED to put something together.

[Jord0713]

I read CO cards are honored in Montana and Rhode Island...not sure if true, but I did read this

[Klonzinc]

yup i believe or atleast thats what im going to do is stay at the 5 patient count if that is passed as well and just deal with patients.network that way.

but we might want to not talk to much on here about anything really as im for sure there are a few moles lurking about.

So if we caregive for 5 or less does that mean we have to have the so called background check that is required for caregivers or is that only if you take more than 5 patients?

[Klonzinc]

I read CO cards are honored in Montana and Rhode Island...not sure if true, but I did read this

Montana does recognize co cards but under their law dispensaries are illegal and patients can only purchase from their designated caregiver, so buying in Montana would be a risk but you can poses, not sure about Rhode Island.

[Klonzinc]

Montana is also the only state to accept out of state cards! :thumbsup:

Land got a bit spendy up there though.:(

The way I understand it dispensaries are illegal ( no liscening or retail store fronts allowed) in Montana, patients can grow or sign a caregiver and only purchase from that caregiver, land and real estate is still cheap, seen several hobby farms 40+ acres with house and barn and out buildings for under 200k. I have several friends and contacts there and they will not be following Colorado's lead when it comes to state regulations regarding disp.'s as they will never allow them at this point.

[Feijao]

Not to get too far off topic but does anyone know what the limits are on plants and finished product? Also is there a limit to the number of patients that you can serve?

[Zedleppelin]

So if we caregive for 5 or less does that mean we have to have the so called background check that is required for caregivers or is that only if you take more than 5 patients?

With 1284 caregivers will not be able to take more than 5 patients, and yes it is calling for background checks and fingerprinting for caregivers. Anyone with a felony conviction within the past 5 years will not be able to be a caregiver.

[GratefulMeds]

With 1284 caregivers will not be able to take more than 5 patients, and yes it is calling for background checks and fingerprinting for caregivers. Anyone with a felony conviction within the past 5 years will not be able to be a caregiver.

That's how I understand it also, I also thought any drug conviction no matter how long ago you were out. They may have amended that part I don't know.:wtf:

[TurboALLWD]

That's how I understand it also, I also thought any drug conviction no matter how long ago you were out. They may have amended that part I don't know.:wtf:


So they for sure took out misdemeanors from the bill? My understanding is its only felonies. It's a shame their taking out the people that made this all happen.

[GratefulMeds]

[quote=Zedleppelin]With 1284 caregivers will not be able to take more than 5 patients, and yes it is calling for background checks and fingerprinting for caregivers. Anyone with a felony conviction within the past 5 years will not be able to be a caregiver.[/QUOTE

what happened to us?

[TurboALLWD]

what happened to us?


That's mind boggling. I would say greed is what happened to us.

[GratefulMeds]

Now they are re-defining what a "caregiver is" I see they saw that loophole and crushed it with this new amendment being discussed today. They are really out to hurt the patients and growers with a vengeance it seems.
I am watching this happen to us all with amazement. This is my 7th year on the registry and I have been a designated caregiver for 6 of those years. Nobody worried about my felony conviction for possession of Marijuana until suddenly now. Now that big money interests and the State realize the possible revenue that can be generated. And as I suspected they would, they are making a whole new class of criminals for the justice system to cherry pick with this legislation.
:mad:

[HighPopalorum]

*shrug*

Why are criminal background checks such a big deal? We do the same for everybody from barbers to liquor store owners to teachers. This might sound a little harsh, but I don't think felons should have any role in MMJ distribution. That five year rule is extremely generous. In my profession, as in most, a single felony or even some kinds of misdemeanors would end a person's career before it began. It is my sincere hope that MMJ caregivers, dispensary owners, and all people involved in this business are held to extremely high standards of personal conduct because of the position of trust they are in vis a vis their patients.

I could live with exemptions for felonies connected with growing marijuana, but it's not wise to allow the general class of felon to be health care providers, especially in an area as new as this industry. Felons should not be giving medical advice to my sick mother, or any other sick people, particularly if there is an underlying financial relationship. The idea of putting the most dishonest and unethical segment of our society in a position of power over the sickest and most vulnerable members of our society is.... well... fucking insane. There's no other word for it. Fingerprinting and background checks and felony prohibitions will help protect patients from conmen and thieves in the exact same way that they protect kids at school from sex offenders.

I don't mean to knock GM, and I think they should definitely proceed with a court challenge to this law, hopefully with other MMJ providers. I'm sensitive to individual circumstances, and understand that not all felonies are equally serious, but felons should not be allowed in this business. Too harsh?

[GratefulMeds]

*shrug*

Why are criminal background checks such a big deal? We do the same for everybody from barbers to liquor store owners to teachers. This might sound a little harsh, but I don't think felons should have any role in MMJ distribution. That five year rule is extremely generous. In my profession, as in most, a single felony or even some kinds of misdemeanors would end a person's career before it began. It is my sincere hope that MMJ caregivers, dispensary owners, and all people involved in this business are held to extremely high standards of personal conduct because of the position of trust they are in vis a vis their patients.

I could live with exemptions for felonies connected with growing marijuana, but it's not wise to allow the general class of felon to be health care providers, especially in an area as new as this industry. Felons should not be giving medical advice to my sick mother, or any other sick people, particularly if there is an underlying financial relationship. The idea of putting the most dishonest and unethical segment of our society in a position of power over the sickest and most vulnerable members of our society is.... well... fucking insane. There's no other word for it. Fingerprinting and background checks and felony prohibitions will help protect patients from conmen and thieves in the exact same way that they protect kids at school from sex offenders.

I don't mean to knock GM, and I think they should definitely proceed with a court challenge to this law, hopefully with other MMJ providers. I'm sensitive to individual circumstances, and understand that not all felonies are equally serious, but felons should not be allowed in this business. Too harsh?

I worked in the medical field for over 20 years and some of those years I had a felony for cultivation and possession. I am a registered polysomnography technologist (Sleep Medicine), also have a registry in respiratory therapy, I have also worked as a EMT and in Cardiopumonary and yes hospitals have still hired me even though I am a felon. I have more patient care experience under my belt then I dare say 90% of dispensaries and caregivers out there. but under this law I can't be a caregiver. I have been on the registry for 7 years a designated caregiver for 6 of those years, but now because of some imagined fright I am disqualified, I don't think so Kill This Bill!:thumbsup:

[funkfingers]

*shrug*

Why are criminal background checks such a big deal? We do the same for everybody from barbers to liquor store owners to teachers. This might sound a little harsh, but I don't think felons should have any role in MMJ distribution. That five year rule is extremely generous. In my profession, as in most, a single felony or even some kinds of misdemeanors would end a person's career before it began. It is my sincere hope that MMJ caregivers, dispensary owners, and all people involved in this business are held to extremely high standards of personal conduct because of the position of trust they are in vis a vis their patients.

I could live with exemptions for felonies connected with growing marijuana, but it's not wise to allow the general class of felon to be health care providers, especially in an area as new as this industry. Felons should not be giving medical advice to my sick mother, or any other sick people, particularly if there is an underlying financial relationship. The idea of putting the most dishonest and unethical segment of our society in a position of power over the sickest and most vulnerable members of our society is.... well... fucking insane. There's no other word for it. Fingerprinting and background checks and felony prohibitions will help protect patients from conmen and thieves in the exact same way that they protect kids at school from sex offenders.

I don't mean to knock GM, and I think they should definitely proceed with a court challenge to this law, hopefully with other MMJ providers. I'm sensitive to individual circumstances, and understand that not all felonies are equally serious, but felons should not be allowed in this business. Too harsh?

I completely disagree, I believe that people with marijuana felonies should be allowed to be caregivers.. I think that most people who have caught a felony charge from our wonderful plant, probably have quite a bit more experience than the average person..Remember this was illegal 10 years ago, marijuana has been helping people far longer than mmj laws have been in place.All these amazing strains didn't appear out of thin air as soon as mmj went in to effect, to shut out all the people who helped progress this movement to it's current state IMO is wrong.
The felons that should be barred from working are violent criminals, people who steal ect..

By making the above statement, it shows me that you have no problem with the unjust drug laws in the country..Laws that do nothing but harm people by, breaking up their families, taking their homes,keeping kids from their parents ect,ect.

I would rather have someone who truly has a passion for the healing powers of cannabis, to give out advice to sick people, than a person who is concerned with profit margin..Let's be real how many dispensary owners have you talked to that have a clue about mmj maybe 10%

As someone who has made a great deal of sacrifices, to provide this sacred herb to folks in need, this bill makes me want to puke..

[GratefulMeds]

HB1284 Update

HB1284 will shut down 95% of dispensaries in Colorado. The bill will now be
voted on by the full state Senate. CTI is urging patient rights supporters
to contact their state senators and urge them to vote No on HB1284. Call
today, as the legislative session ends on May 12.

As the bill stands now, all dispensaries will have to become compliant with
all the new regulations by July 1, 2010.

Click here to contact your Senators:
Cannabis Therapy Institutue - Medical Cannabis (Marijuana) Research, Education and Advocacy in Colorado (http://www.cannabistherapyinstitute.com/advocacy/contact.colorado.state.legislature.html)

HB1284 is a 72-page regulatory nightmare that allows the Department of
Revenue to control the licensing and all standards of medical marijuana
"centers." On April 22, the bill passed the full House by a vote of 39 to
23. On April 27, 2010, it passed the Senate Local Government Committee by a
6 to 0 vote . HB1284 now moves on to Appropriations and then a vote of the
full Senate. Call and email your state senator now and ask them to vote NO
on HB1284.

The bill requires a dispensary to get a state license, a local license and
a cultivation license. A state license might cost up to $50,000. A
dispensary would have to grow 70% of their medicine onsite, pushing them
over the 100 plant limit that attracts the attention of the federal Drug
Enforcement Administration. HB1284 creates Medical Marijuana Enforcement
Investigators, who could investigate the center any time it is open, or
appears to be open. They do not need a search warrant, but they would have
police powers to enforce all Colorado laws. Dispensaries could expect an
auditor with a gun to be at their clinic every 5 to 7 days.
YouTube - Senator Chris Romer! Marijuana! Auditors! Guns! Best Friends!!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFXOxU5tNi8)

Remember, the medical marijuana program and distribution system in Colorado
is 100% legal right now. Everyone has a 100% Constitutional right to do
exactly as they are doing right now in Colorado. The state has given *no*
justification for eliminating these Constitutional rights, because there
have been no significant problems with the new medical marijuana industry.
Dispensary owners are not getting arrested because what they are doing is
legal, protected by the Article XVIII Section 14 of the Colorado
Constitution. HB1284 would invite armed money-and-medicine-counters into
health clinics that are creating no problems for the community right now.
Medical marijuana would be regulated stricter than alcohol or narcotics or
child molesters. Every transaction will be video-taped and every gram will
be counted by "auditors with guns."
YouTube - Senator Chris Romer! Marijuana! Auditors! Guns! Best Friends!!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFXOxU5tNi8)

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make sure the needs of the patient are foremost in any legislation and to
make sure this complicated issue gets addressed properly.

LEGAL ANALYSES
Click here to read a more detailed analysis of HB1284 from some attorneys.

Attorney Danyel Joffe's Analysis
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Medical Marijuana (http://www.joffelawfirm.com/MedicalMarijuana.htm)

Attorney Lauren Davis' Analysis
Cannabis Therapy Institutue - Medical Cannabis (Marijuana) Research, Education and Advocacy in Colorado (http://www.cannabistherapyinstitute.com/bills/hb1284.lauren.davis.html)

Attorneys Robert J. Corry, Jr. and Jessica Corry Analysis
Robert J. Corry, Jr.: "Rocky Mountain High" Medical Marijuana in Danger (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-j-corry-jr/rocky-mountain-high-medic_b_551354.html)

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[HighPopalorum]

I completely disagree, I believe that people with marijuana felonies should be allowed to be caregivers.. I think that most people who have caught a felony charge from our wonderful plant, probably have quite a bit more experience than the average person..Remember this was illegal 10 years ago, marijuana has been helping people far longer than mmj laws have been in place.All these amazing strains didn't appear out of thin air as soon as mmj went in to effect, to shut out all the people who helped progress this movement to it's current state IMO is wrong.
The felons that should be barred from working are violent criminals, people who steal ect..


As said in the earlier post, I'd support exemptions for people whose felonies stem from cultivation. I'm not comfortable with for-profit black market sellers with felonies working in this business, for the reasons I already stated.


By making the above statement, it shows me that you have no problem with the unjust drug laws in the country..Laws that do nothing but harm people by, breaking up their families, taking their homes,keeping kids from their parents ect,ect.


Don't know where you're getting that from. I'm pretty open about my opposition to all drug prohibition laws.


Let's be real how many dispensary owners have you talked to that have a clue about mmj maybe 10%


10% sounds low, although I'm no kind of expert. This business is a fountain of lies and bullshit. I bet most of us have had experiences in dispensaries that made us uncomfortable. It's heartbreaking to see "professionals" in this business sort of dangle, tease, the benefits of this drug in order to make their patients spend more money than they should without actually lying. I actually blew my stack in one dispensary waiting room and had to leave after overhearing one of those conversations regarding MMJ's potential to cure cancer. I take care of a retired blind man who is also a patient, and I know that dispensary employees have made misrepresentations, both of the quality of their medicine and its curative effects. After all, it's easy to lay off the lesser product on a guy who cannot even see. We've got to have higher character standards, and standards of care. We owe it to the sick.

(Actually, it's pretty interesting when I bring my friend to a dispensary. He goes entirely by smell, and by verbal description. He can usually identify a batch he's smoked before from smell alone.)

[funkfingers]

wasn't trying to launch a personal attack.. I don't even feel like people with intent sell charges should even be barred..I got charged with that for my head stash..sorry if I came across harsh, nothing personal, this bill has my head spinning..

[milehighmediman]

*shrug*

Why are criminal background checks such a big deal? We do the same for everybody from barbers to liquor store owners to teachers. This might sound a little harsh, but I don't think felons should have any role in MMJ distribution. That five year rule is extremely generous. In my profession, as in most, a single felony or even some kinds of misdemeanors would end a person's career before it began. It is my sincere hope that MMJ caregivers, dispensary owners, and all people involved in this business are held to extremely high standards of personal conduct because of the position of trust they are in vis a vis their patients.

I could live with exemptions for felonies connected with growing marijuana, but it's not wise to allow the general class of felon to be health care providers, especially in an area as new as this industry. Felons should not be giving medical advice to my sick mother, or any other sick people, particularly if there is an underlying financial relationship. The idea of putting the most dishonest and unethical segment of our society in a position of power over the sickest and most vulnerable members of our society is.... well... fucking insane. There's no other word for it. Fingerprinting and background checks and felony prohibitions will help protect patients from conmen and thieves in the exact same way that they protect kids at school from sex offenders.

I don't mean to knock GM, and I think they should definitely proceed with a court challenge to this law, hopefully with other MMJ providers. I'm sensitive to individual circumstances, and understand that not all felonies are equally serious, but felons should not be allowed in this business. Too harsh?

I really tried to ignore this post as I do not like to stir the pot. I do not post much and I have changed my name due to being busted. But I am/was well known to ALOT of people here and on other boards. My free meds on private boards were well known.

However...

This touched a nerve in me. I too am listed as a felon. I have never been in trouble in my life until I got caught. There are plenty of BAD felons out there, they just have not been caught. When I was caught I did not have the luxory of being in a state where it is legal under state rules. I was in a a life threatening accident, I was walking when I was hit a by a motrcyclist going over 80 MPH. I spent over a year in the hospital never supposed to survive. I have so much metal in me that I set off metal detectors in court houses and such. My pelvis was shattered into 30+ pieces. My pelvis bones ripped my rectum apart and stool got into my organs. I had to be opened up and have all my internal organs hand washed. My right kidney expoloded on impact and so much more you can not even imagine. But I survived, even though no doctor gave me a chance to live. I was told 99.999% would have died.
I was eventually told that I would no longer be able to get any pain meds or any type help from my doctors, with the way my body is, if I do I could go into total renal failure, have another heart attack and so on and die. I had no choice but to start to grow. All my doctors agreed that this would be the best thing for me to do.

HOWEVER...

That did not protect me from getting busted. I have been growing since and I gave NUMEROUS meds away to others. I am a veteran and most the people I gave to were disabled veterans. One lost his hands and the other had no legs. I am just trying to survive from something that was no fault of my own and I was busted.
Now I have been marked and carry the word "felon" on my record because I live in a state where it is not legal. Yes my state flag shows CO as my state, but I do not live there, yet. I dream of when I can. I have been trying but I am having trouble finding a decent place to live for my daughters and I. Thats right, I am also a single father of 2 girls who are on the honor rolls at school. They do not drink, smoke or do drugs. Some of you do not realize how lucky you are to live in a place like CO. I wish to move and have the luxuory you all have, but due to not being able to find decent housing for around $650 a month that will allow dogs and look past my criminal record, I cannot move.
Yet, I must endure the life of breaking the law and taking a chance at being sent to jail, taken away from my family. So after reading your words, I feel like am a second class person because I have a felony record. The state I live in counts everything but the roots when they weigh it, even wet weight. It was not like I was growing numerous plants and had ounces laying around. I had 2 Ozs and that is considered a felony also.
I am assuming (as you are on this board) you smoke marijuana, the same as I do, maybe for different reasons and I am to be considered not worthy of being able to help others or own a business? I would not wish what I went through on anyone, but I also would not label someone like you just did.
So here I am having to endure more pain and suffering than you can imagine for the next 2 years (unless I can move) as I am piss tested monthly and no doctor will help me with pain pills due to my internal disabilties. Paying for a law that is totally unjust and you want to tell me I should not be able to be a "caregiver" or own a business because I am a felon?

I really hope someday I can find a place to be able to live out there or I keep hoping and praying for US wide legalization so I do not have to keep worrying about being thrown in jail. I am glad/proud to be in the company of some felons like GM and those who are trying to help others.

HighPopalorum, I have nothing against you and you have your right to say what you want as I just did. I just needed to get it out of my system. Not trying to flame you or start anything.


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[GratefulMeds]

Hang in there Mile Hi! There needs to be allot of education regarding our criminal justice system also.:thumbsup:

[milehighmediman]

Hang in there Mile Hi!

Thanx GM! I am trying to, I am taking it day by day.



There needs to be allot of education regarding our criminal justice system also

Truer words were have never been spoken. ;) How is it that drunk drivers, child molestors, murderers and so on can get off easier than someone growing or using marijuana is just beyond comprehension.

[HighPopalorum]

Oh no offense taken in the least. This is the internet, after all, and it's fine to start shit. That's almost the entire reason I post here. ;)

I feel like I have to repeat myself again, though: I'm sensitive to individual circumstances, and I know that not all felonies are equally serious. I think an exemption for people whose felonies stem from cultivation is reasonable.

HOWEVER...

This is a case where the interests of patients and of businesses are opposed. There is no argument I've yet heard that has convinced me that, as a patient, I would be better served if felons are allowed to act as dispensary owners, employees or caregivers. A lot of very sensitive information moves through dispensaries like social security numbers and medical records. I would feel better knowing that the smiling bearded guy who just ran my credit card doesn't have seventeen convictions for identity theft. Patients need to be able to trust their health providers, especially if the patient is disabled in a way that makes them easy to take advantage of. I think a blanket prohibition (with aforementioned exemption) of all felonies for all people who are in contact with patients is a good idea. If it comes to a choice between all felons or none.... sorry milehighmediman and GratefulMeds. :(

[milehighmediman]

A lot of very sensitive information moves through dispensaries like social security numbers and medical records. I would feel better knowing that the smiling bearded guy who just ran my credit card doesn't have seventeen convictions for identity theft.

I agree with this 100% heck even 1000%! I never really looked at it from that point of view.


sorry milehighmediman and GratefulMeds

No apologies required on my end. We all have a right to say what we want, even if others disagree.

I myself doubt I will ever have the desire/strength to open dispensary, if I ever make it out there. But I know I would want to be a caregiver or help others with meds, so this is the part of the bill I hate. But at least they are giving a way for that, it will just take 5 years.

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[GratefulMeds]

HB1284 Senate Vote on Wednesday

The full state Senate will have its first debate and vote on HB1284
tomorrow morning on the floor of the Senate. Public comment will not be
taken, but you can listen to the debate online at:
ColoradoChannel.net Homepage (http://www.coloradochannel.net/)

Click here to contact your Senators:
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Below is an Action Alert from medical marijuana attorney Danyel S. Joffe on
the threat for federal prosecution that HB1284 will cause for dispensaries.

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Danyel S. Joffe
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May 04, 2010
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UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES
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HB10-1284 states that all Medical Marijuana Centers must grow at least 70%
of their own Cannabis.

For many Centers this will require growing over 100 plants. This is
significant because the DEA isn't really interested in busting operations
growing less than 100 plants because the penalty is usually probation.
However, grow over 100 plants and there is a five-year mandatory minimum
prison sentence.

Thus, it isn't worth the effort to bust a grower with 75 plants. But hit
the 100 level and the stakes grow significantly. This makes it worthy of
DEA attention.

If you have heard rumors about the 100 plant limit, this is why.

This is where the rule of unintended consequences comes into play. By
prohibiting Medical Marijuana Centers from buying no more than 30% of their
product from other sources, they must grow 70% of their own Cannabis.
Thus, Centers face going over the 100 plant limit and becoming subject to
Federal Interest.

Based on my research, Federal Judges in California don't seem to care if
the Cannabis is being grown for medical marijuana. Go over 100 plants and
get hammered. The same will probably be true in Colorado.

The Colorado Bill will force Medical Marijuana Centers to grow more than
100 plants, or face not having enough product. This is a classic Catch 22.
To comply with State Law and keep your license, you are forced to commit a
significantly more serious Federal Felony.

This requirement appears to be an unintended consequence of the
legislation. Please Let Your Legislators Know.

You must write your State Representative and Senator and ask them to drop
the 70/30 rule. Tell them to look at page 36, line 14-20. Also known as
C.R.S. 12-43.3-402(4).

Go to COMaps: Find Your Elected District (http://comaps.org/allsearch_mobile.html) and type in your home
address. It will give you information on how to contact your State
Representative and State Senator.
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[GratefulMeds]

Oh no offense taken in the least. This is the internet, after all, and it's fine to start shit. That's almost the entire reason I post here. ;)

I feel like I have to repeat myself again, though: I'm sensitive to individual circumstances, and I know that not all felonies are equally serious. I think an exemption for people whose felonies stem from cultivation is reasonable.

HOWEVER...

This is a case where the interests of patients and of businesses are opposed. There is no argument I've yet heard that has convinced me that, as a patient, I would be better served if felons are allowed to act as dispensary owners, employees or caregivers. A lot of very sensitive information moves through dispensaries like social security numbers and medical records. I would feel better knowing that the smiling bearded guy who just ran my credit card doesn't have seventeen convictions for identity theft. Patients need to be able to trust their health providers, especially if the patient is disabled in a way that makes them easy to take advantage of. I think a blanket prohibition (with aforementioned exemption) of all felonies for all people who are in contact with patients is a good idea. If it comes to a choice between all felons or none.... sorry milehighmediman and GratefulMeds. :(

I thought this article might interest you.
Gretchen Burns Bergman: Moms Unite to End the War on Drugs (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gretchen-burns-bergman/moms-unite-to-end-the-war_b_557814.html)
:thumbsup::jointsmile::D

[vegetabongrips]

There is no argument I've yet heard that has convinced me that, as a patient, I would be better served if felons are allowed to act as dispensary owners, employees or caregivers. A lot of very sensitive information moves through dispensaries like social security numbers and medical records. I would feel better knowing that the smiling bearded guy who just ran my credit card doesn't have seventeen convictions for identity theft.


Since I'm doubting that you inquire whether or not a restaurant has a strict "no felons" policy before dining, why are you willing to take that risk for every other industry but not MMJ?

Pushing for it for dispensaries just lends credence to the concept that dispensaries and marijuana are "bad" somehow and they're obviously going to employ a bunch of miscreants if they're not bound by this law.

My restaurant example is an excellent one. Because of the nature of the work (hours, skill) there ends up being a lot of folks going through most any restaurant with a reasonably shady background. I personally know of three places which will hire felons.

[COzigzag]

I have more patient care experience under my belt then I dare say 90% of dispensaries and caregivers out there. but under this law I can't be a caregiver. I have been on the registry for 7 years a designated caregiver for 6 of those years, but now because of some imagined fright I am disqualified, I don't think so Kill This Bill!:thumbsup:

My interpretation of HB10-1284 may be wrong here, but the way I read it you can be a Caregiver and have a felony. They aren't going to license Caregivers. Now if you want to be put on the state's list of Caregivers then you have to go through their hoops: "TO PASS THE FINGERPRINT-BASED CRIMINAL HISTORY RECORD CHECK, THE PRIMARY CAREGIVER SHALL NOT HAVE BEEN CONVICTED OF A FELONY PURSUANT TO PART 4 OF ARTICLE 18 OF TITLE 18, C.R.S., WITHIN THE FIVE YEARS PRECEDING THE CRIMINAL HISTORY RECORD CHECK."

Besides, wasn't your conviction more than 5 years ago?

Are we talking about the same thing here or are you talking about obtaining a Medical Marijuana Center License?

My mind is becoming mush over this GD POS bill!

[Zedleppelin]

My interpretation of HB10-1284 may be wrong here, but the way I read it you can be a Caregiver and have a felony. They aren't going to license Caregivers. Now if you want to be put on the state's list of Caregivers then you have to go through their hoops: "TO PASS THE FINGERPRINT-BASED CRIMINAL HISTORY RECORD CHECK, THE PRIMARY CAREGIVER SHALL NOT HAVE BEEN CONVICTED OF A FELONY PURSUANT TO PART 4 OF ARTICLE 18 OF TITLE 18, C.R.S., WITHIN THE FIVE YEARS PRECEDING THE CRIMINAL HISTORY RECORD CHECK."

Besides, wasn't your conviction more than 5 years ago?

Are we talking about the same thing here or are you talking about obtaining a Medical Marijuana Center License?

My mind is becoming mush over this GD POS bill!

I believe he owns a dispensary.

[GratefulMeds]

If you agree with this last effort, pass this on immediately.

If your happy with this desecration of our constitution for greed....delete it!



VETO March on the Governors Mansion
Gather at the Civic Center Park 5-15 @ 11 AM
If we can gather a large assembly of people, 1000 or more we will walk to the Governor's Mansion. If only a few show up, we can just demonstrate along Broadway St. across from the Capitol. This is a Constitutional Right to Assemble for a VETO March!



As a Nationally Certified alternative care Naturopath, Master Herbalist, Homeopath and Holistic Nutritional consultant trained in degenerative disease and maintaining wellness for 33 years, I am appalled at the disregard
of the voice of the people to the Legislators and Senators of this state concerning HB10-1284 and SB10-109

I am pleading with everyone to call, email and fax letters to the Capitol. HB10-1284 must be stopped. Amendment 20, Article XVlll, section 14 of the Colorado constitution was trampled on by the large majority of ELECTED Officials today at the Capitol. If you are a caregiver that is not a dispensary, L.140 amendment holds you to NO more than 30 plants TOTAL for your 5 patients. Only a dispensary will be able to provide the needed access of additional medicine. I have been in support of a dispensary model, however this is over the top!

It was also very insulting to the patients of Colorado with degenerative illnesses to listen to the puns and jokes out of Romer's mouth, he even made a joke about the senators with MMJ licenses.......This was to insinuate why they were not supportive of this bill. Romer referred to more than 50% of dispensary owners are Thugs. Spence said she doesn't support organized crime, insinuating that the dispensaries that will be put out of business are the ones with organized crime money.

There will be a 3rd reading of this bill. This session is over next week!

Do Not Waste Time.........call, fax and email. This is an ELECTION YEAR Let them know if you are their constituent, tell them you are paying attention to the votes and you want them to VOTE NO on the 3rd reading!!!

If this does not get their attention, all we have left is to PICKETT the Governor's mansion!!!
Let's set a date of May 15th to organize at the Civic Center Park at 11 am. Bring Large VETO Signs with the bill numbers on them, bring every ADULT you can round up and let's walk from the park to the Governor's mansion and have a peaceful public gathering to send the Governor a loud and clear message!!!

We must mount an army of people for this. A few hundred to show up is not acceptable, we need a thousand or more to get his attention!!!

I hope that everyone will go into the voting booths in NOVEMBER and VOTE NO on every Legislator and Senator that VOTED on these bills passage to allow a monopoly to the large dispensaries and blatantly walked all over our constitutional rights!!!

Sincerely,
Kimberly Matteo, N.D., M.H.
303-835-2743


Thought I'd pass this along.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[GratefulMeds]

*shrug*

Why are criminal background checks such a big deal? We do the same for everybody from barbers to liquor store owners to teachers. This might sound a little harsh, but I don't think felons should have any role in MMJ distribution. That five year rule is extremely generous. In my profession, as in most, a single felony or even some kinds of misdemeanors would end a person's career before it began. It is my sincere hope that MMJ caregivers, dispensary owners, and all people involved in this business are held to extremely high standards of personal conduct because of the position of trust they are in vis a vis their patients.

I could live with exemptions for felonies connected with growing marijuana, but it's not wise to allow the general class of felon to be health care providers, especially in an area as new as this industry. Felons should not be giving medical advice to my sick mother, or any other sick people, particularly if there is an underlying financial relationship. The idea of putting the most dishonest and unethical segment of our society in a position of power over the sickest and most vulnerable members of our society is.... well... fucking insane. There's no other word for it. Fingerprinting and background checks and felony prohibitions will help protect patients from conmen and thieves in the exact same way that they protect kids at school from sex offenders.

I don't mean to knock GM, and I think they should definitely proceed with a court challenge to this law, hopefully with other MMJ providers. I'm sensitive to individual circumstances, and understand that not all felonies are equally serious, but felons should not be allowed in this business. Too harsh?

Let's refer to the document in question the State of Colorado Constitution:
:jointsmile:
Article 7 section 10 of the Colorado Constitution clearly states that all rights of citizenship are restored once someone completes their sentence, which makes the lifelong ban on drug felons unconstitutional. As a matter of fact felons were allowed to have firearms in Colorado until the Brady Bill was enacted. There has since been an amendment added barring felons from firearms, but this bill does not amend Article 7 section 10.:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:

[milehighmediman]

I read the 77 pages last night and I am not sure as I was so tired but they ammended that part to 5 years after discharge and no 5 year restriction on Primary cargivers. It is not a full life time ban now.

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[GratefulMeds]

I read the 77 pages last night and I am not sure as I was so tired but they ammended that part to 5 years after discharge and no 5 year restriction on Primary cargivers. It is not a full life time ban now.

Later

Thanks for the update, it's hard to keep up with these clowns!:thumbsup:

[milehighmediman]

No Probem GM! ;)

NOW it is back to 72 pages and the ammended it again to say the same thing for Primary Caregivers, your conviction must be 5 years or older.

This is like a rubber ball just bouncing all over the place.

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[Justabloke]

Rob has a non-profit already, right? Brian Vicente's ballot initiative looks like the most cohesive thing I've seen yet.

I've heard about Brian's initiative but I haven't seen it yet. You got a link RLC?

j

[GratefulMeds]

Dear Linda,


I want to thank you for all your work on trying to come up with some reasonable regulation regarding medical marijuana and the industry it has spawned. But I urge you to vote no on this bill in it's current form. All it will do is drive all of us small (mom &pop) dispensaries, and small caregiver operations out of business. This leaves open the door for big money and corporations like RJ Reynolds to take over the industry. RJ Reynolds has recently Trademarked several Marijuana Strain names (Trainwreck,OG Kush etc.). This bill will also create a black market on steroids that the likes of has never been seen in Colorado. This will only create a justice system nightmare and ruin many many lives. I do not believe this is what the voters intended when the passed amendment 20.
Why are we only punishing drug offenders? It seems as long as you raped, killed, robbed, embezzled or committed fraud over 5 years ago you can be in the Medical Marijuana Industry, but God forbid you got busted with marijuana during a unjust 40 year "War on Drugs". What is the logic here? Please vote no on this bill, please do not force me, the patients and many of my friends to go back underground for our medicine.


Sincerely,

Mark A. Rose RPSGT
Grateful Meds
PO Box 667
Nederland Colorado 80466
303 258 7703
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Thank you for your engagement in the legislative process. I did vote no on this. I believe the bill wasn't ready, so to speak, and that it would be harder to undo than to wait a few more months.
I believe we haven't seen the end of this policy area.
Thanks again.
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On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 6:32 PM, mark rose <[email protected]> wrote:

Dear Linda,


I want to thank you for all your work on trying to come up with some reasonable regulation regarding medical marijuana and the industry it has spawned. But I urge you to vote no on this bill in it's current form. All it will do is drive all of us small (mom &pop) dispensaries, and small caregiver operations out of business. This leaves open the door for big money and corporations like RJ Reynolds to take over the industry. RJ Reynolds has recently Trademarked several Marijuana Strain names (Trainwreck,OG Kush etc.). This bill will also create a black market on steroids that the likes of has never been seen in Colorado. This will only create a justice system nightmare and ruin many many lives. I do not believe this is what the voters intended when the passed amendment 20.
Why are we only punishing drug offenders? It seems as long as you raped, killed, robbed, embezzled or committed fraud over 5 years ago you can be in the Medical Marijuana Industry, but God forbid you got busted with marijuana during a unjust 40 year "War on Drugs". What is the logic here? Please vote no on this bill, please do not force me, the patients and many of my friends to go back underground for our medicine.


Sincerely,

Mark A. Rose RPSGT
Grateful Meds
PO Box 667
Nederland Colorado 80466
303 258 7703




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we're working our way through our block of folks to call, should be finished this afternoon.

[GratefulMeds]

we're working our way through our block of folks to call, should be finished this afternoon.

way to go, we are also almost there. can you get a hold of cozigzag I will email the info

[GratefulMeds]

Boulder County considers enacting medical marijuana rules - Boulder Daily Camera (http://www.dailycamera.com/ci_15072848?source=most_emailed#axzz0nr6XEuPq)

[cowgirl1]

Everyone caregivers, patients, dispencaries everyone needs to copy and paste these email address an email your state rep and let them know if they do not untie the hands of the caregivers and allow the caregivers to work with the dispencaries that we together as one will not vote for them and will help anyone that runs for office to get them out.

PEOPLE WE NEED TO STAND TOGETHER. The vast majority of residence of Colorado want legal marijuana.....we control alot of votes and it is time we write these state reps and show them we will stand together and vote them out of office.

In my email to them I just wrote untie the hands of the caregiver and allow them to work with the dispencaries or lose my vote and every vote I can find..

COPY AND PASTE THESE INTO YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS AND EMAIL THEM. Come on people it will not take two mins to fight for YOUR RIGHTS!

If anyone can copy and paste the email address of the state senator please add them so when can write them also.

ALSO A BIG ONE WE ALL NEED TO WRITE AND THAT IS THE GOV...ANYONE HAVE HIS EMAIL ADDRESS????

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[GratefulMeds]

Dear Senator Romer,

I am writing to tell you how deeply you personally have shaken the strong belief I had in Government's willingness to listen to the people and to try and make right sometimes bad laws that are passed in the name of the People but that it wind up hurting the People. That strong belief was forged by your father Governor Roy Romer in 1991 when he stepped in personally and got immediate results in my Workers Compensation Case. Workers Compensation was a hot issue at the time after a News story broke with different a video of a guy jet skiing while collecting Workers Compensation. The State Legislature in a knee jerk, we have to act quickly mentality ( much like their mentality regarding MMJ today) a very bad law was passed that penalized truly injured workers by making it very much harder to get Workers Compensation, but also drastically reduced that compensation when once the court ruled in their Favor.
At the time I worked for Boulder Community Hospital, I was injured the 1st time in 1989 and was sent to a unit of BCH at the Mapelton Center called Occupational Health. They refused to order the proper tests needed and I went through years of non-treatment other then physical therapy and large doses of anti-inflammatory drugs. I was re-injured in 1990 while performing CPR on a patient again I was never given the proper tests but instead was refereed to a psychiatrist because they said the pain was in my head. I went through another year of this meanwhile my condition worsened and got to a point where my left arm was rendered useless. I had costant numbness in that arm lost 50% of it's strength, and I was in agonizing pain. I finally took the matter into my own hands. I waiting for Occupation Heath Clinic to close and went to the emergency room and saw Dr. John Carter and begged him for a MRI. John told me that he would catch allot of heat for ordering an MRI but at this point he concurred that something was veryobviously wrong even to the untrained eye. I had the MRI done that evening around 7:00PM, I received a call from the physician at the Clinic Dr. Branstein at 8:00AM. The good doctor informed me I needed to find a nuero-surgeon in 3 days. I asked what was the sudden urgency and he told me that my disc between C5 & C6 was completely ruptured and had crushed my spinal sac completely and that if it moved another millimeter I would become quadroplegic. I had the surgury and was discharged to my home where I lived alone in the Mountains.

This is where your father comes in, between the two injuries I had working at the Hospital BCH had changed their Workman's Compensation Insurance Carrier and now both insurance companies were refusing any responsibility for either injury. Therefore they refused to pay any of my wages while recovering from surgery ( Yes the hospital had me working full time before the surgery with a ruptured disc ). My lawyer at the time Mark Simons called me and told me to apply for any type of public assistance, food stamps, welfare because this was a very bad scenario and could be held up in the courts for well over a year. At his point I turned to my State Representative Dorothy Rupurt who listened to my story and agreed that the State had gone way overboard on the new Workman's Compensation Law and it really hindered any legal recourse by legitimate injured workers as myself by drastically changing the rules in favor of the insurance companies. And perhaps there shoulad have been more focus on going after & punishing the people that were committing fraud and other crimes instead of overhauling the system. She gave me your fathers number. I dialed it and Governor Roy Romer answered it I was in shock that I had gotten directly through to the Governor. I repeated my story to Gov. Romer and he also agreed it was very bad legislation that had unintended consequences that none of them foresaw. He assured me he would do what he could for me and would work hard to restore workers rights when injured.

The next day I received a call from my attorney Mr. Simons, he said " I don't know what happened but I just received a call from Boulder Community Hospital. They are not accepting any responsibility for your injury but they have to agreed to pay your wages until this is settled in court, I have never had this happen before". I told my attorney I thought I knew why but I would keep that to myself for now. Your Dad saw a law that he was pressured into signing because of being caught up in media hype. And most likely intoxicated by that media hype as much as the other legislators were. But he recognized it was bad and helped those individuals he could help and worked hard to try and fix the unintended consequences on that Law. And allthough we never got the worker's rights back and have one of the worst Worker's Compensation Laws in the Country I always respected Governor Romer for admitting he was wrong and trying to right the wrongs. And the fact that he took the time to listen to a EKG Tech that was injured on the job to me was impressive and I have never forgot it. He never talked down to me or told me what he thought I wanted to hear, he just spoke the truth and followed it up with action. There were many things Governor Romer did that I disagreed with, but I have an appreciation to him I can never repay. Not only getting me paid when the "Big Corporate Money" was against me, but inspiring me to be active and speak to my representatives, write my President when I agree and disagree with their policies. But you have soured that beleif that Goverment is for the people. And really have opened my eyes to the fact that Government today in the 21st Century is for Big Money and Big Corporations. And that you folks ( Politicians) are to busy putting cash in your pockets or stroking your own ego to be bothered by your constituents the citizens of Colorado.

I do thank you for one thing though, not for bankrupting me and putting me out of business but the fact that you have given me a new mission in life. I am going to work everyday to see that you are not re-elected or elected to any other office you seek in this State or your next. We have formed a group to vote out all of you that voted for this knee-jerk legislation that does nothing to help the patients or the State of Colorado. We will be having a State-Wide Media campaign to counter all the laws and slanted reports in the Media regarding Medical Marijuana and Industrial Hemp' while Your 70 plus page assault on patient rights goes through the courts.And Finally to get complete legalization of Medical Cannabis & Industrial Hemp on the Ballot in 2012, thank you you are a great motivator. Once we defeat this in the courts I look forward to using my 20 years of experience in the Medical field as a EKG Tech, EEGT, EMT-I, CRT & RPSGT to good use as well my years many years cultivating Cannabis and the knowledge I have gained over those year and I wear this badge all you "Drug War Advocates" gave me "Marijuana Possession Felon" with great pride.

Very Sincerely,

Mark Rose RPSGT
Grateful Meds
box 667
Nederland Colorado 80466
303 258 7611

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[denverbear]

Dear Senator Romer,

I am writing to tell you how deeply you personally have shaken the strong belief I had in Government's willingness to listen to the people and to try and make right sometimes bad laws that are passed in the name of the People but that it wind up hurting the People. That strong belief was forged by your father Governor Roy Romer in 1991 when he stepped in personally and got immediate results in my Workers Compensation Case. Workers Compensation was a hot issue at the time after a News story broke with different a video of a guy jet skiing while collecting Workers Compensation. The State Legislature in a knee jerk, we have to act quickly mentality ( much like their mentality regarding MMJ today) a very bad law was passed that penalized truly injured workers by making it very much harder to get Workers Compensation, but also drastically reduced that compensation when once the court ruled in their Favor.
At the time I worked for Boulder Community Hospital, I was injured the 1st time in 1989 and was sent to a unit of BCH at the Mapelton Center called Occupational Health. They refused to order the proper tests needed and I went through years of non-treatment other then physical therapy and large doses of anti-inflammatory drugs. I was re-injured in 1990 while performing CPR on a patient again I was never given the proper tests but instead was refereed to a psychiatrist because they said the pain was in my head. I went through another year of this meanwhile my condition worsened and got to a point where my left arm was rendered useless. I had costant numbness in that arm lost 50% of it's strength, and I was in agonizing pain. I finally took the matter into my own hands. I waiting for Occupation Heath Clinic to close and went to the emergency room and saw Dr. John Carter and begged him for a MRI. John told me that he would catch allot of heat for ordering an MRI but at this point he concurred that something was veryobviously wrong even to the untrained eye. I had the MRI done that evening around 7:00PM, I received a call from the physician at the Clinic Dr. Branstein at 8:00AM. The good doctor informed me I needed to find a nuero-surgeon in 3 days. I asked what was the sudden urgency and he told me that my disc between C5 & C6 was completely ruptured and had crushed my spinal sac completely and that if it moved another millimeter I would become quadroplegic. I had the surgury and was discharged to my home where I lived alone in the Mountains.

This is where your father comes in, between the two injuries I had working at the Hospital BCH had changed their Workman's Compensation Insurance Carrier and now both insurance companies were refusing any responsibility for either injury. Therefore they refused to pay any of my wages while recovering from surgery ( Yes the hospital had me working full time before the surgery with a ruptured disc ). My lawyer at the time Mark Simons called me and told me to apply for any type of public assistance, food stamps, welfare because this was a very bad scenario and could be held up in the courts for well over a year. At his point I turned to my State Representative Dorothy Rupurt who listened to my story and agreed that the State had gone way overboard on the new Workman's Compensation Law and it really hindered any legal recourse by legitimate injured workers as myself by drastically changing the rules in favor of the insurance companies. And perhaps there shoulad have been more focus on going after & punishing the people that were committing fraud and other crimes instead of overhauling the system. She gave me your fathers number. I dialed it and Governor Roy Romer answered it I was in shock that I had gotten directly through to the Governor. I repeated my story to Gov. Romer and he also agreed it was very bad legislation that had unintended consequences that none of them foresaw. He assured me he would do what he could for me and would work hard to restore workers rights when injured.

The next day I received a call from my attorney Mr. Simons, he said " I don't know what happened but I just received a call from Boulder Community Hospital. They are not accepting any responsibility for your injury but they have to agreed to pay your wages until this is settled in court, I have never had this happen before". I told my attorney I thought I knew why but I would keep that to myself for now. Your Dad saw a law that he was pressured into signing because of being caught up in media hype. And most likely intoxicated by that media hype as much as the other legislators were. But he recognized it was bad and helped those individuals he could help and worked hard to try and fix the unintended consequences on that Law. And allthough we never got the worker's rights back and have one of the worst Worker's Compensation Laws in the Country I always respected Governor Romer for admitting he was wrong and trying to right the wrongs. And the fact that he took the time to listen to a EKG Tech that was injured on the job to me was impressive and I have never forgot it. He never talked down to me or told me what he thought I wanted to hear, he just spoke the truth and followed it up with action. There were many things Governor Romer did that I disagreed with, but I have an appreciation to him I can never repay. Not only getting me paid when the "Big Corporate Money" was against me, but inspiring me to be active and speak to my representatives, write my President when I agree and disagree with their policies. But you have soured that beleif that Goverment is for the people. And really have opened my eyes to the fact that Government today in the 21st Century is for Big Money and Big Corporations. And that you folks ( Politicians) are to busy putting cash in your pockets or stroking your own ego to be bothered by your constituents the citizens of Colorado.

I do thank you for one thing though, not for bankrupting me and putting me out of business but the fact that you have given me a new mission in life. I am going to work everyday to see that you are not re-elected or elected to any other office you seek in this State or your next. We have formed a group to vote out all of you that voted for this knee-jerk legislation that does nothing to help the patients or the State of Colorado. We will be having a State-Wide Media campaign to counter all the laws and slanted reports in the Media regarding Medical Marijuana and Industrial Hemp' while Your 70 plus page assault on patient rights goes through the courts.And Finally to get complete legalization of Medical Cannabis & Industrial Hemp on the Ballot in 2012, thank you you are a great motivator. Once we defeat this in the courts I look forward to using my 20 years of experience in the Medical field as a EKG Tech, EEGT, EMT-I, CRT & RPSGT to good use as well my years many years cultivating Cannabis and the knowledge I have gained over those year and I wear this badge all you "Drug War Advocates" gave me "Marijuana Possession Felon" with great pride.

Very Sincerely,

Mark Rose RPSGT
Grateful Meds
box 667
Nederland Colorado 80466
303 258 7611

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very strong and very insiteful reply...it will be interesting to see if he responds to this letter.

thank you for what you are trying to get accomplished.

[GratefulMeds]

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