just in from 9 news an hour ago.

[palerider7777]

http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=137712&catid=339

"The rules would even bar anyone who has failed to repay student loans from setting up shop."

"There's lots of concern because lots of people have made a decision to get into this business. It's been kind of the Wild West. Today is the day we begin to get control of the Wild West and it's not going to be your average mom and pop business. It is the controlling, growing and dispensing of a controlled substance which means it needs to be regulated and highly regulated," Romer said."

"Dispensaries would have to grow 70 percent of the marijuana they sell, a change aimed at making sure pot is being sold as medicine.

Romer also wants to bar anyone who has not lived in Colorado for at least two years from opening a dispensary, and wants to charge dispensaries between $10,000 and $35,000 to apply for a dispensary license, depending on their size."

after hearing this bs i don't see how anyone could say well this bill is good.he has been paid off it looks like he says he wants to get things back to what voters voted and passed "as if it's not already".so i guess by knocking out the small guys this will somehow help everyone? what bullshit.ROMER IS A SELL OUT PIG THAT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO HOLD ANY OFFICE.

[TruElements]

I am curious to hear what the general 'climate' was during the hearing today. Some of Romer's addendae are ludicrous to say the least.

[HighPopalorum]

I've defended this bill in the past, and now I just keep my mouth shut. I'll just add that the Republicans have now introduced an alternative bill that bans all dispensaries and retail sales of medical marijuana.

[Klonzinc]

http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=137712&catid=339

"The rules would even bar anyone who has failed to repay student loans from setting up shop."

"There's lots of concern because lots of people have made a decision to get into this business. It's been kind of the Wild West. Today is the day we begin to get control of the Wild West and it's not going to be your average mom and pop business. It is the controlling, growing and dispensing of a controlled substance which means it needs to be regulated and highly regulated," Romer said."

"Dispensaries would have to grow 70 percent of the marijuana they sell, a change aimed at making sure pot is being sold as medicine.

Romer also wants to bar anyone who has not lived in Colorado for at least two years from opening a dispensary, and wants to charge dispensaries between $10,000 and $35,000 to apply for a dispensary license, depending on their size."

after hearing this bs i don't see how anyone could say well this bill is good.he has been paid off it looks like he says he wants to get things back to what voters voted and passed "as if it's not already".so i guess by knocking out the small guys this will somehow help everyone? what bullshit.ROMER IS A SELL OUT PIG THAT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO HOLD ANY OFFICE.

I spent hours listening to testimony and then listing to amendments made and passed at the end and IMO it was very obvious this bill is sponsored by big out of state dispensaries who will be fathered in under the 2 year residency law, it does not matter that the people spoke and 99% asked for the bill to be killed, come to think of it Josh Stanley from peace in medicine and 2 others were in favor the rest want it killed.

IMO the 2 year wait is there to stop any more Cali money from coming in and setting up and ruining the unofficial partnership between Romer and the farmacy, patients choice and a few others, the bottom line is they saw the money train leaving cali and headed to co, so as usual Californians have fucked over Colorado yet again.

The only resolve now will be the hopes that Rob Corry will move forward with all law suites possible, this bill will be signed by the gov very soon and like Romer said, 80% of all disp. will be gone, no more independant growers, and yes all will be controlled by the dept. of revenue and thier gun toting puppets.

On a another note; has anyone found out which 2 breeders up North have sold their seed line to U.S. owned pharmaceutical company?

[palerider7777]

I've defended this bill in the past, and now I just keep my mouth shut. I'll just add that the Republicans have now introduced an alternative bill that bans all dispensaries and retail sales of medical marijuana.

so let me guess that makes this bill a good thing? just because they are doing that don't make this right.:cool:

[palerider7777]

I spent hours listening to testimony and then listing to amendments made and passed at the end and IMO it was very obvious this bill is sponsored by big out of state dispensaries who will be fathered in under the 2 year residency law, it does not matter that the people spoke and 99% asked for the bill to be killed, come to think of it Josh Stanley from peace in medicine and 2 others were in favor the rest want it killed.

IMO the 2 year wait is there to stop any more Cali money from coming in and setting up and ruining the unofficial partnership between Romer and the farmacy, patients choice and a few others, the bottom line is they saw the money train leaving cali and headed to co, so as usual Californians have fucked over Colorado yet again.

The only resolve now will be the hopes that Rob Corry will move forward with all law suites possible, this bill will be signed by the gov very soon and like Romer said, 80% of all disp. will be gone, no more independant growers, and yes all will be controlled by the dept. of revenue and thier gun toting puppets.

On a another note; has anyone found out which 2 breeders up North have sold their seed line to U.S. owned pharmaceutical company?

so would that mean you can't even grow for yourself anymore or for just your patients either?:wtf:

this looks like to me then it will pretty much be illegal for the most part unless you sign your life away to 1 of these big shops?

[palerider7777]

I've defended this bill in the past, and now I just keep my mouth shut. I'll just add that the Republicans have now introduced an alternative bill that bans all dispensaries and retail sales of medical marijuana.

retail sales? then i take that to mean caregivers can still have patients and deal on a 1 on 1 lvl? if so i'd be more for that then this bs that cuts people out altogether.

[vegetabongrips]

retail sales? then i take that to mean caregivers can still have patients and deal on a 1 on 1 lvl? if so i'd be more for that then this bs that cuts people out altogether.


I swore there was something in this bill which was set out to kill delivery services, which is pretty much what one on one caregiving is.

[starter09]

I can't believe you guys are surprised at Romer after his "auditors with guns" speech - or didn't any one else hear him say "I promised I'd lead you to daylight" toward the end? That was the big dispensary trade group he was speaking to. I think it's pretty clear who he works for; anyone checked his campaign donation lists yet?

One thing for sure, this bill is for big money with meaty bones thrown in for the lawnorder bureaucrats - there is nothing here that makes sense to me as a patient, all I can see are government attempts to limit my choices.

[palerider7777]

I can't believe you guys are surprised at Romer after his "auditors with guns" speech - or didn't any one else hear him say "I promised I'd lead you to daylight" toward the end? That was the big dispensary trade group he was speaking to. I think it's pretty clear who he works for; anyone checked his campaign donation lists yet?

One thing for sure, this bill is for big money with meaty bones thrown in for the lawnorder bureaucrats - there is nothing here that makes sense to me as a patient, all I can see are government attempts to limit my choices.

yea i knew he was a snake and have been preaching it as so.but you have moles like high that seems like he's on the payrole as well.i don't see how he could be otherwise?how could this be good for 99% of the people/patients?and the fact that he sees this as a good thing is mind boggling to say the least.

so if i get this right caregivers will be completely illegal unless you are the big money guys that romer has set up to take over? high,how is this a good thing for anyone?lets see only the big shops make it so now everyone has to flock to them all over colorado? what about all those people that live so far up in the mountains that depend on small local growers to tend to their needs? besides all of that what about all the small people that put their life on the line in way of taking their savings to start being a caregiver? you know all these people will be marked as evil no good drug dealers again what about them?

so romer and the big money shops are good people but the small guy is an evil drug dealer really?i can't believe people are really for all of this?i guess they like cutting their own throats.....

[puntacometa]

I've defended this bill in the past, and now I just keep my mouth shut. I'll just add that the Republicans have now introduced an alternative bill that bans all dispensaries and retail sales of medical marijuana.

Well fuck...let's just do that too. That way we can get rid of the big dispensaries who are fucking over the little guy and just go back to the good old days when we bartered marijuana for little pieces of green paper.
:thumbsup:

[TurboALLWD]

At least the 5 patient limit won't stand up in court. Corry has proved that twice now? The real question is when will this shit be enforced? And how the hell are the politicians getting away with this?

[TurboALLWD]

Well fuck...let's just do that too. That way we can get rid of the big dispensaries who are fucking over the little guy and just go back to the good old days when we bartered marijuana for little pieces of green paper.
:thumbsup:


Sounds like a good idea to me :thumbsup:

[palerider7777]

At least the 5 patient limit won't stand up in court. Corry has proved that twice now? The real question is when will this shit be enforced? And how the hell are the politicians getting away with this?

yea i'd like to know more about last nite but all i could find so far was that 9news.but from the sound of it romer was trying to make it to where no one could be a caregiver. except the big shops with plenty of money to pay all the bs fees? if what was said above is true about banning the deliveries then i could see that as an attack on the small guys?

now if this is not true and all this is about the shops only then i ask wtf have the shops been doing.everytime i talk to a shop owner they say they stay on top of this shit then they don't do shit?:wtf:

[puntacometa]

[quote=Klonzinc]I spent hours listening to testimony and then listing to amendments made and passed at the end and IMO it was very obvious this bill is sponsored by big out of state dispensaries who will be fathered in under the 2 year residency law, it does not matter that the people spoke and 99% asked for the bill to be killed, come to think of it Josh Stanley from peace in medicine and 2 others were in favor the rest want it killed.

IMO the 2 year wait is there to stop any more Cali money from coming in and setting up and ruining the unofficial partnership between Romer and the farmacy, patients choice and a few others, the bottom line is they saw the money train leaving cali and headed to co, so as usual Californians have fucked over Colorado yet again.
My attorney and a few of my patients attended this a couple of weeks ago:
Cannabis Convention Draws Crowds In Denver - cbs4denver.com (http://cbs4denver.com/local/Denver.medical.marijuana.2.1607426.html)
My attorney called me up and opined that the whole thing was pretty much sponsored by Cali interests.


The only resolve now will be the hopes that Rob Corry will move forward with all law suites possible, this bill will be signed by the gov very soon and like Romer said, 80% of all disp. will be gone, no more independant growers, and yes all will be controlled by the dept. of revenue and thier gun toting puppets.

An injunction looks to be the only hope at this point.


On a another note; has anyone found out which 2 breeders up North have sold their seed line to U.S. owned pharmaceutical company?

One of those big seed companies that I never buy seeds from because it would be illegal to acquire my seeds from a foriegn country sent me an e-mail the other day saying that they had decided not to go through with the big pharma offer. I followed up with them and didn't support their decision by not ordering some really high end genetics.
:cool:

[palerider7777]

just found out some key things here and pretty much were all fucked.1st off they are trying to get this passed in the next week or so and it will then go in effect by july of this year.also all of our records that are supposed to be sealed by the state will be fair game to all leo.they also want upwards of 35 to 50k upfront for any shop to stay in biz no payments no nothing all monies in full or you close down.they are trying to bring the 5 patient rule back into play and even then after this passes if you do still want to be a caregiver on a small scale you have to give all your hard work and time away for free you can't charge anything for it. talk about romer being a total sell out.so as old elmer says thats all folks.wtf this is going to sink aton of people aton.

ps so much for good things to come.

[TurboALLWD]

yea i'd like to know more about last nite but all i could find so far was that 9news.but from the sound of it romer was trying to make it to where no one could be a caregiver. except the big shops with plenty of money to pay all the bs fees? if what was said above is true about banning the deliveries then i could see that as an attack on the small guys?

now if this is not true and all this is about the shops only then i ask wtf have the shops been doing.everytime i talk to a shop owner they say they stay on top of this shit then they don't do shit?:wtf:

So much of this shit is unconstitutional its unreal. The owner of Grateful Meds did a stand up job testifying on behalf of all patients and caregivers.

[TurboALLWD]

just found out some key things here and pretty much were all fucked

lol try to be a little optomistic, non profits still make profit :D

[HighPopalorum]

So much of this shit is unconstitutional

In what way?

[palerider7777]

lol try to be a little optomistic, non profits still make profit :D

lmao i am but the way it looks i don't see how anyone could make a profit when you won't be allowed to accept any money at all.and if you did find away it would'nt be long and they would find away to correct their error.

[TurboALLWD]

In what way?

Two judges have ruled the 5 patient per caregiver rule unconstitutional for starters.


You'll still be able to charge for caregiver services. I'm sure my patients will pay for my work in other forms.

[palerider7777]

Two judges have ruled the 5 patient per caregiver rule unconstitutional for starters.


You'll still be able to charge for caregiver services. I'm sure my patients will pay for my work in other forms.

did i nail it or what?

[Zedleppelin]

Two judges have ruled the 5 patient per caregiver rule unconstitutional for starters.


You'll still be able to charge for caregiver services. I'm sure my patients will pay for my work in other forms.

It was never ruled unconstitutional. CDPHE tried implementing a 5 patient limit and it was challenged in court. The judge ruled that CDPHE didnt follow proper procedure when they added the rule by not holding a public hearing first. CDPHE then held a very long hearing and afterwards voted to not implement the plan. I do think it would be ruled unconstitutional if it ever got to that point but it hasnt yet.

[palerider7777]

It was never ruled unconstitutional. CDPHE tried implementing a 5 patient limit and it was challenged in court. The judge ruled that CDPHE didnt follow proper procedure when they added the rule by not holding a public hearing first. CDPHE then held a very long hearing and afterwards voted to not implement the plan. I do think it would be ruled unconstitutional if it ever got to that point but it hasnt yet.

and it never will like i have said many many times b4.they want both sides of the pie here.they want it legal to a gov controlled degree so they can rape money that way from the people then they also want it illegal so the leo's can rape you on their end as well. they are pretty much saying the small guy is the evil drug dealer but as long as you have tons of money you can throw their way then mmj is safe.lmao it just sickens me to think of all those small guys that just sunk their life savings into opening up shop and now will lose everything they have and prob even thier house.

also on another note don't anyone kidd their selfs leo is chomping at the bit laying in wait for this to pass.just watch all the raids that go on in the near future and then a full out blitz when it passes.

[GratefulMeds]

So much of this shit is unconstitutional its unreal. The owner of Grateful Meds did a stand up job testifying on behalf of all patients and caregivers.

I believe their are several areas that are unconstitutional. So I believe there is a very good chance this will go to the courts and will be overturned. Another strategy is for everyone to lobby Gov. Bill Ritter to veto this bill if it passes. He is not running for re-election so he really has nothing to win or loose politically. And if we all get screwed? We need to boycott the New Mega Dispensary Model they are setting up. Have mass public disobedience, and put Complete & Total Legalization on the Ballot.:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Zedleppelin]

and it never will like i have said many many times b4.they want both sides of the pie here.they want it legal to a gov controlled degree so they can rape money that way from the people then they also want it illegal so the leo's can rape you on their end as well. they are pretty much saying the small guy is the evil drug dealer but as long as you have tons of money you can throw their way then mmj is safe.lmao it just sickens me to think of all those small guys that just sunk their life savings into opening up shop and now will lose everything they have and prob even thier house.

also on another note don't anyone kidd their selfs leo is chomping at the bit laying in wait for this to pass.just watch all the raids that go on in the near future and then a full out blitz when it passes.

You're definitely right, it always comes down to money. IMO though I dont think this will pass in its current form, there are just to many things that would not stand a legal test. Barring felons is blatently unconstitutional and forcing dispensaries to provide their own product violates Federal anti-trust laws but who the hell knows. Kudos to Rob Corry and Lauren Davis for not selling out and standing by the patient/caregiver, if not for these two we would not be where we are today.

[Zedleppelin]

You're definitely right, it always comes down to money. IMO though I dont think this will pass in its current form, there are just to many things that would not stand a legal test. Barring felons is blatently unconstitutional and forcing dispensaries to provide their own product violates Federal anti-trust laws but who the hell knows. Kudos to Rob Corry and Lauren Davis for not selling out and standing by the patient/caregiver, if not for these two we would not be where we are today.


Well what the hell do I know. The Senate Committee last night approved it with a 6-0 vote and now moves to the Senate Appropriations Committee and then will be voted on by the full Senate.

[palerider7777]

I believe their are several areas that are unconstitutional. So I believe there is a very good chance this will go to the courts and will be overturned. Another strategy is for everyone to lobby Gov. Bill Ritter to veto this bill if it passes. He is not running for re-election so he really has nothing to win or loose politically. And if we all get screwed? We need to boycott the New Mega Dispensary Model they are setting up. Have mass public disobedience, and put Complete & Total Legalization on the Ballot.:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

agreed and romer needs to be voted out in nov.but we know that will never happen.im starting to think he is going for that 1 big sellout payday b4 he goes.

[copobo]

how is Clair Levy holding up on this? the bill hasn't passed yet, I guess the feeling is it will?

Ritter is anti-pot (an ex prosecutor). so you can forget about a veto. He's 100% behind 109.

[psychocat]

As I predicted many moons ago the ganja business will be ruled by the big boys and all the little growers will be unable to compete.
So much for the pipedream of power to the people.

[lampost]

Oh well...

Those guys in the mountains have been growing pot since before any of this... they aren't going anywhere.
If this passes I won't be renewing my card... I'll be growing my own and I'll be putting my old drug dealer's number back on speed dial for those times when my herb isn't ready.

I'd suggest you all do the same! Boycott this shit... don't ever step foot in the mega dispensaries! Show them they can't just make the decisions for us while ignoring our input!

If there was ever a time to Overgrow, now is it! They apparently didn't have the nutsacks to strip patient's rights to grow... so take advantage of that fact saving yourself some money in the process...

[palerider7777]

As I predicted many moons ago the ganja business will be ruled by the big boys and all the little growers will be unable to compete.
So much for the pipedream of power to the people.

yup well the power has just changed hands thats all.the leo's knows whats going on look at how they are against this bill.they want all of the power they had back and they know their power is slipping away to the gov and the big boys.now it will be harder to get part of that cash cow back.

[palerider7777]

Oh well...

Those guys in the mountains have been growing pot since before any of this... they aren't going anywhere.
If this passes I won't be renewing my card... I'll be growing my own and I'll be putting my old drug dealer's number back on speed dial for those times when my herb isn't ready.

I'd suggest you all do the same! Boycott this shit... don't ever step foot in the mega dispensaries! Show them they can't just make the decisions for us while ignoring our input!

If there was ever a time to Overgrow, now is it! They apparently didn't have the nutsacks to strip patient's rights to grow... so take advantage of that fact saving yourself some money in the process...

i agree but the bad part is your name is on a list now.like myself i have never had any type of record now i feel i do somewhat or atleast marked.

[Klonzinc]

so would that mean you can't even grow for yourself anymore or for just your patients either?:wtf:

this looks like to me then it will pretty much be illegal for the most part unless you sign your life away to 1 of these big shops?

I get out of it that you can grow and/or be caregiver for 5 patients and less and you do not have to register, you may only charge your patients the cost of cultivation, but, in order to sell excess to dispensaries you need a growers liscense and that will cost you.

[Klonzinc]

I swore there was something in this bill which was set out to kill delivery services, which is pretty much what one on one caregiving is.

Last night they ammended and removed the delivery cause, disp. can still deliver, do not know if this applies to independant growers/caregivers.

[palerider7777]

I get out of it that you can grow and/or be caregiver for 5 patients and less and you do not have to register, you may only charge your patients the cost of cultivation, but, in order to sell excess to dispensaries you need a growers liscense and that will cost you.

i see and how do they propose they regulate your "cost" as a caregiver? the ones that grow and i mean real growers not the little 600watt in your closet setup knows how much it cost to really grow good meds.and news flash it is'nt cheap. also you would have to calculate the growers exp and time into the cost.so how is this supposed to help anyone again?

also that still cuts out the small guys and the shops does anyone realize how many people this is going to sink? with the jobless rate at such a high along with high prices across the board on everything and the state and romer wants to do this now? WTF WOW

[Klonzinc]

just found out some key things here and pretty much were all fucked.1st off they are trying to get this passed in the next week or so and it will then go in effect by july of this year.also all of our records that are supposed to be sealed by the state will be fair game to all leo.they also want upwards of 35 to 50k upfront for any shop to stay in biz no payments no nothing all monies in full or you close down.they are trying to bring the 5 patient rule back into play and even then after this passes if you do still want to be a caregiver on a small scale you have to give all your hard work and time away for free you can't charge anything for it. talk about romer being a total sell out.so as old elmer says thats all folks.wtf this is going to sink aton of people aton.

ps so much for good things to come.

This will not into effect until July 1 of 2011, a state wide ban on new Disp will go into effect July 1st of this year.

[palerider7777]

This will not into effect until July 1 of 2011, a state wide ban on new Disp will go into effect July 1st of this year.

might want to ck that or it might be right idk i was told that by greatful.i was told that it was all to go in effect this july.but i was also told the other day that if this passed it would not take effect until next year so idk which is correct.

so are you saying none of the bill if passed would go in effect until next july?only the ban on any new disp?

[Klonzinc]

i see and how do they propose they regulate your "cost" as a caregiver? the ones that grow and i mean real growers not the little 600watt in your closet setup knows how much it cost to really grow good meds.and news flash it is'nt cheap. also you would have to calculate the growers exp and time into the cost.so how is this supposed to help anyone again?

also that still cuts out the small guys and the shops does anyone realize how many people this is going to sink? with the jobless rate at such a high along with high prices across the board on everything and the state and romer wants to do this now? WTF WOW

I do not know how they will figure the cultivation cost or even enforce it unless a patient complains, I know my 10-1k's cost me more in elec, than my patients can afford, and that is just elec, nonthing else, I relied on a few choice shops purchasing my extra to pay the bills, but If I must move my product now I will be giving it the patients for 200 a zip and not some mega disp.

[palerider7777]

I do not know how they will figure the cultivation cost or even enforce it unless a patient complains, I know my 10-1k's cost me more in elec, than my patients can afford, and that is just elec, nonthing else, I relied on a few choice shops purchasing my extra to pay the bills, but If I must move my product now I will be giving it the patients for 200 a zip and not some mega disp.

yup same here i'll keep my 225 a zip here as thats what i started out at but my price will depend on what this bill does here if it makes things alot harder or cost more or whatever my price has to reflect that.but yes as cheap as i can keep it thats what i'll do. i would sell to the shops at 275 to help offset the costs.looks like that will be over in a year as u said atleast i hope we have a year atleast.but besides all of that even if i still do ok does'nt mean i forgot the others that have put so much into all of this.im small time 4 patients but even so i still can see the harm this bill will cause across the board.

[lampost]

i see and how do they propose they regulate your "cost" as a caregiver? the ones that grow and i mean real growers not the little 600watt in your closet setup knows how much it cost to really grow good meds.and news flash it is'nt cheap. also you would have to calculate the growers exp and time into the cost.so how is this supposed to help anyone again?

also that still cuts out the small guys and the shops does anyone realize how many people this is going to sink? with the jobless rate at such a high along with high prices across the board on everything and the state and romer wants to do this now? WTF WOW

Don't worry man you'll still be able to be compensated for your efforts. You don't have to just donate your time!! You can charge an hourly rate for your caregiving services... At this point I don't think the government has told us what a reasonable hourly fee would be for caregiving services ("tending to plants").... so you can set whatever you want and make the exact same amount of money you did before by working the equation backwords (Time x Rate = $$$). Obviously, you'll also be passing on the cost of electricity/supplies/etc onto your patients as well in order to cover expenses... so your hourly rate will be your compensation.

[palerider7777]

Don't worry man you'll still be able to be compensated for your efforts. You don't have to just donate your time!! You can charge an hourly rate for your caregiving services... At this point I don't think the government has told us what a reasonable hourly fee would be for caregiving services ("tending to plants").... so you can set whatever you want and make the exact same amount of money you did before by working the equation backwords (Time x Rate = $$$). Obviously, you'll also be passing on the cost of electricity/supplies/etc onto your patients as well in order to cover expenses... so your hourly rate will be your compensation.

exactly which if it stays like that it will be fine on the low side but the "middleclass"so to speak will be wiped out.and just think of how we will have to dance around dry usable weight.this will somewhat put the wrench in the cog. as most patients only need a couple oz's a month far from what you will have come harvest.so now instead of being able to off load the rest to keep on trucking you will have to keep most of the plants alive until all is gone which will hold things up.i guess it's ok for some but for those pulling close to an lb per plant it will be a back up.

humm just a thought but this is where we as a whole as small caregivers and patients should ban together so we can network amongest ourselfs to off load extras to each other as needed and to keep the vast amount of diffrent strains available to each other? this could bring us closer if they don't try to push more laws on it to push us even further away from each other.

[Klonzinc]

so are you saying none of the bill if passed would go in effect until next july?only the ban on any new disp?

This is correct, Romer was saying that all state licensing apps need to be in by the 15th of June and the ban starts on the 1st of July and the actual law it self will begin the 1st of July 2011, disp. must have the app in by the 15th of June 2010 or they will not get approved.

[GratefulMeds]

agreed and romer needs to be voted out in nov.but we know that will never happen.im starting to think he is going for that 1 big sellout payday b4 he goes.

Don't vote him in, he is about to run for Mayor of Denver:mad:

[GratefulMeds]

how is Clair Levy holding up on this? the bill hasn't passed yet, I guess the feeling is it will?

Ritter is anti-pot (an ex prosecutor). so you can forget about a veto. He's 100% behind 109.

Claire voted no in the house and I believe she will vote no on the floor.:thumbsup:

[GratefulMeds]

might want to ck that or it might be right idk i was told that by greatful.i was told that it was all to go in effect this july.but i was also told the other day that if this passed it would not take effect until next year so idk which is correct.

so are you saying none of the bill if passed would go in effect until next july?only the ban on any new disp?

They have moved the date up to July 2010 from July 2011 and they want their money upfront.:mad:

[michaelnights]

Corry was successful in striking down the 5 patient limit because the CDPH&E didn't follow state rules calling for public hearings on new regulations. When the hearing were finally convened in June 2009 (as ordered by the court) the CDPH&E was convinced not to apply the 5 patent limit.

When the General Assembly goes through the proper constitutional process, like they are now, and vote to elect the 5 patient rule, it becomes law.

[michaelnights]

4 (d) A PRIMARY CAREGIVER MAY NOT CHARGE A PATIENT MORE
5 THAN THE COST OF CULTIVATING OR PURCHASING THE MEDICAL
6 MARIJUANA, BUT MAY CHARGE FOR CAREGIVER SERVICES.
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If you're a grower and provide 1oz to a patient - let's say one lamp produced 1lb in 3 months. You can charge the patient 1/16th the cost of electricity for the one lamp x 3 months, plus 1/16th the cost of nutrients and water. Then add a charge of $350 for the home delivery "service".

[Feijao]

I have a couple of questions that are about delivery services if any one can help.

1. If I grow much more than my 5 patients can use a month am I allowed to sale the extra meds to others that are not my patients?

2. I guess this should of been the first question lol. Are delivery services even allowed under the new laws? Are they treated the same as dispensaries?

3. Am I allowed to sell 12oz to another caregiver if he has 5 patients under him?

Thanks I am sure I will have more questions after getting help on these.

[Zedleppelin]

I have a couple of questions that are about delivery services if any one can help.

1. If I grow much more than my 5 patients can use a month am I allowed to sale the extra meds to others that are not my patients?

2. I guess this should of been the first question lol. Are delivery services even allowed under the new laws? Are they treated the same as dispensaries?

3. Am I allowed to sell 12oz to another caregiver if he has 5 patients under him?

Thanks I am sure I will have more questions after getting help on these.

No, you will not be able to get rid of your meds to anyone but your 5 patients, and all caregivers will have to undergo a background check and fingerprinting:

Primary caregivers. (a) A PRIMARY CAREGIVER MAY NOT
DELEGATE TO ANY OTHER PERSON HIS OR HER AUTHORITY TO PROVIDE MEDICAL MARIJUANA TO A PATIENT NOR MAY A PRIMARY CAREGIVER ENGAGE OTHERS TO ASSIST IN PROVIDING MEDICAL MARIJUANA TO A PATIENT.
(b) TWO OR MORE PRIMARY CAREGIVERS SHALL NOT JOIN
TOGETHER FOR THE PURPOSE OF CULTIVATING MEDICAL MARIJUANA.
(c) ONLY A MEDICAL MARIJUANA CENTER WITH AN OPTIONAL
PREMISES CULTIVATION LICENSE OR A PRIMARY CAREGIVER FOR HIS OR HER PATIENTS OR A PATIENT FOR HIMSELF OR HERSELF MAY CULTIVATE OR PROVIDE MARIJUANA AND ONLY FOR MEDICAL USE.

(e) TO PASS THE FINGERPRINT-BASED CRIMINAL HISTORY RECORD CHECK, THE PRIMARY CAREGIVER SHALL NOT HAVE BEEN CONVICTED OF A FELONY PURSUANT TO PART 4 OF ARTICLE 18 OF TITLE 18, C.R.S., WITHIN THE FIVE YEARS PRECEDING THE CRIMINAL HISTORY RECORD CHECK.
(V) THE STATE HEALTH AGENCY MAY MAKE AN EXCEPTION, BASED
ON A REQUEST FROM A PATIENT, TO PARAGRAPH (a) OF THIS SUBSECTION
(6) LIMITING PRIMARY CAREGIVERS TO FIVE PATIENTS. IF THE STATE HEALTH AGENCY MAKES AN EXCEPTION TO THE LIMIT, THE STATE HEALTH AGENCY SHALL NOTE THE EXCEPTION ON THE PRIMARY CAREGIVER'S RECORD IN THE REGISTRY.

[Feijao]

Zed thanks so much for the accurate ass fucking info you passed on.

I have several friends that own disp's (owe wait they will probably be put out of business) and said that I could grow for them if this bill passed. I am wondering if you have any info on how that could be done? Do I have to purchases 1% of the dispensary, create my own business and sub contract, etc....

Also do you know when all of this would take effect if it does indeed pass?

Thanks again for the help brother,

[palerider7777]

No, you will not be able to get rid of your meds to anyone but your 5 patients, and all caregivers will have to undergo a background check and fingerprinting:

Primary caregivers. (a) A PRIMARY CAREGIVER MAY NOT
DELEGATE TO ANY OTHER PERSON HIS OR HER AUTHORITY TO PROVIDE MEDICAL MARIJUANA TO A PATIENT NOR MAY A PRIMARY CAREGIVER ENGAGE OTHERS TO ASSIST IN PROVIDING MEDICAL MARIJUANA TO A PATIENT.
(b) TWO OR MORE PRIMARY CAREGIVERS SHALL NOT JOIN
TOGETHER FOR THE PURPOSE OF CULTIVATING MEDICAL MARIJUANA.
(c) ONLY A MEDICAL MARIJUANA CENTER WITH AN OPTIONAL
PREMISES CULTIVATION LICENSE OR A PRIMARY CAREGIVER FOR HIS OR HER PATIENTS OR A PATIENT FOR HIMSELF OR HERSELF MAY CULTIVATE OR PROVIDE MARIJUANA AND ONLY FOR MEDICAL USE.

(e) TO PASS THE FINGERPRINT-BASED CRIMINAL HISTORY RECORD CHECK, THE PRIMARY CAREGIVER SHALL NOT HAVE BEEN CONVICTED OF A FELONY PURSUANT TO PART 4 OF ARTICLE 18 OF TITLE 18, C.R.S., WITHIN THE FIVE YEARS PRECEDING THE CRIMINAL HISTORY RECORD CHECK.
(V) THE STATE HEALTH AGENCY MAY MAKE AN EXCEPTION, BASED
ON A REQUEST FROM A PATIENT, TO PARAGRAPH (a) OF THIS SUBSECTION
(6) LIMITING PRIMARY CAREGIVERS TO FIVE PATIENTS. IF THE STATE HEALTH AGENCY MAKES AN EXCEPTION TO THE LIMIT, THE STATE HEALTH AGENCY SHALL NOTE THE EXCEPTION ON THE PRIMARY CAREGIVER'S RECORD IN THE REGISTRY.

and this is supposed to help patients how? is the still time for these pricks to change some of this or is this the last draft?

[Reenster]

I don't know about y'all but I got my shovel ready to start diggin'.

The only thing this bill will do, drive 90% of the booming MMJ business back underground. Not something that I want to do but regardless of what the government says I will continue to grow and consume marijuana.

This helps my quality of life medicinally and makes my recreational time much more pleasant. As long as I can grow, they can not stop me. I am a middle aged woman so for decades I have gone thru drug dealers, it's a shame we are going backwards instead of forwardm on this issue.

My heart goes out to those of you that have spent the last few years helping the cause and patients. To have a business you love, your good at, and is having a positive impact on patients is wonderful. To have that destroyed by our elected officals is unconscionable. For me this is an inconvience but for many of you it's a livelihood and a way of life.

Hats off.

[vegetabongrips]

i agree but the bad part is your name is on a list now.like myself i have never had any type of record now i feel i do somewhat or atleast marked.


This is the very reason why I've avoided getting a license until things settle down in one direction or another. Tho it looks like it's going to settle in the direction I don't want :(

[puntacometa]

Zed thanks so much for the accurate ass fucking info you passed on.

I have several friends that own disp's (owe wait they will probably be put out of business) and said that I could grow for them if this bill passed. I am wondering if you have any info on how that could be done? Do I have to purchases 1% of the dispensary, create my own business and sub contract, etc....

Also do you know when all of this would take effect if it does indeed pass?

Thanks again for the help brother,


Incorporate and then form an LLC with the dispensary.

[Adamkadmon]

"Assassin"

War is overdue
The time has come for you
To shoot your leaders down
Join forces underground

[Chorus:]
Lose control
Increasing pace
Warped and bewitched
Time to erase

Whatever they say
These people are torn
Wild and bereft
Assassin is born

Oppose and disagree
Destroy demonocracy

[Chorus]

Whatever they say
These people are torn
Wild and bereft
Assassin is born

~Muse

I think we need a new constitution.
;)

[palerider7777]

"Assassin"

War is overdue
The time has come for you
To shoot your leaders down
Join forces underground

[Chorus:]
Lose control
Increasing pace
Warped and bewitched
Time to erase

Whatever they say
These people are torn
Wild and bereft
Assassin is born

Oppose and disagree
Destroy demonocracy

[Chorus]

Whatever they say
These people are torn
Wild and bereft
Assassin is born

~Muse

I think we need a new constitution.
;)

sounds like something that is'nt to far off from where we are now.im not talking about the mmj front either lmao.it's getting deep

[FarmerSteve]

I think we all need to settle down. On one hand, they're fucking us. OF COURSE THEY ARE!! IF you expect ANY honor out of a politician, you're as naive as I HAVE been. So stop that. If you didn't have hopes, you wouldn't feel let down.

So what are we going to do? How many of us MEAN this? I'm in. Here's my email. Get ahold of me. What do we need? 4, 7, 10 of us who are MAD DOG about this? It doesn't take many, but is does take the committed. Remember the old ham and egg breakfast line about the difference between being involved and being committed?

Well, these guys are COMMITTED. Most of us are involved. The least we can do is get together, see where we're at and what we know. My house will work. We don't need to talk music or food or whatever, we have common ground on MMJ and the constitution, and on common ground we must stand. "But what about missing work, or the Nuggets, or this or that?" Well, these men go 24/7 robbing us of our rights, so a half hearted effort is NOT going to do the job.

These (insert word here) have betrayed the Will of the People of The Great State of Colorado, and I ask, where are the CITIZENS who will DO something about it?? We need people with testimonies (people with legit health issues, documented) people with heart, and people willing to SACRIFICE. But where are those men today? Do we have any Jefferson's, Henry's, or Washington's amongst us? We need to quit quoting them and DO what they say, live as they LIVED.

Do we have the type of men who would have been gutted and hung as traitors if they hadn't WON? That takes HEART, and "they" know we're a spineless society. But you only need a few to make a backbone, and once you do, a WHOLE BODY can form around that center of belief and courage. If your cause is righteous, the righteous will be drawn in like moths to a flame.

Let us not sleep until we resolve to either become committed or to let it go and in turn lighten up a bit. Have no doubt, you know as well as I do, this is UNJUST & UNRIGHTEOUS, and we SHOULD not let it stand. Not if we're citizens.

We, select members of this board could form a powerful team. And imagine if, on this subject at least, the people who we know in "the game" lent their hands as well as best they could. We COULD change this. It IS a RIGHTEOUS cause. We COULD. But "Coulda Shoulda Woulda".

The choice is ours. And I've made mine. I'm in. Let us see what Lady Destiny has for us.

peace.

[palerider7777]

Incorporate and then form an LLC with the dispensary.

yup but that bad part is it marks you and opens you up to many things.feds,robbers so on.i was talking to asmall caregiver that i was going to contract with b4 all of this and i went and looked up her biz info online and it showed me right where she lived.when i met her i told her the address i had she says you mean the office i rent i set up as a front to protect me? i told her the address and she was in shock cause it was her house and grow area i found. so beware

[palerider7777]

I think we all need to settle down. On one hand, they're fucking us. OF COURSE THEY ARE!! IF you expect ANY honor out of a politician, you're as naive as I HAVE been. So stop that. If you didn't have hopes, you wouldn't feel let down.

So what are we going to do? How many of us MEAN this? I'm in. Here's my email. Get ahold of me. What do we need? 4, 7, 10 of us who are MAD DOG about this? It doesn't take many, but is does take the committed. Remember the old ham and egg breakfast line about the difference between being involved and being committed?

Well, these guys are COMMITTED. Most of us are involved. The least we can do is get together, see where we're at and what we know. My house will work. We don't need to talk music or food or whatever, we have common ground on MMJ and the constitution, and on common ground we must stand. "But what about missing work, or the Nuggets, or this or that?" Well, these men go 24/7 robbing us of our rights, so a half hearted effort is NOT going to do the job.

These (insert word here) have betrayed the Will of the People of The Great State of Colorado, and I ask, where are the CITIZENS who will DO something about it?? We need people with testimonies (people with legit health issues, documented) people with heart, and people willing to SACRIFICE. But where are those men today? Do we have any Jefferson's, Henry's, or Washington's amongst us? We need to quit quoting them and DO what they say, live as they LIVED.

Do we have the type of men who would have been gutted and hung as traitors if they hadn't WON? That takes HEART, and "they" know we're a spineless society. But you only need a few to make a backbone, and once you do, a WHOLE BODY can form around that center of belief and courage. If your cause is righteous, the righteous will be drawn in like moths to a flame.

Let us not sleep until we resolve to either become committed or to let it go and in turn lighten up a bit. Have no doubt, you know as well as I do, this is UNJUST & UNRIGHTEOUS, and we SHOULD not let it stand. Not if we're citizens.

We, select members of this board could form a powerful team. And imagine if, on this subject at least, the people who we know in "the game" lent their hands as well as best they could. We COULD change this. It IS a RIGHTEOUS cause. We COULD. But "Coulda Shoulda Woulda".

The choice is ours. And I've made mine. I'm in. Let us see what Lady Destiny has for us.

peace.

i have been saying this for years but it seems to do no good.alot of people talk a good game but when it's time to act they can't atm cause american idol is on or something.if you try to go it alone which you could but then you are labeled a rouge by the media that is just a crazy person that just snapped for no reason.

btw did you know the gov/obama has set aside over 80k troops along with all the other un troops and so on to train for civil unrest.they plan to deploy them a in oct b4 the nov elections.just what iv'e heard.also couple that info with all of china's troops that are over here marking shit with gps and training.

sounds to me like they are trying to push everyone of our buttons until people revolt so they can then justify to our military to come round us up?now with this illegals issue az is going through sounds like another setup.now obama is talking about making all the illegals here legal.we are on a very quick and steady path to become a 3rd world nation.

i see post that say this was a country that was founded by illegals and now we don't want illegals.umm wrong know your history b4 you use that lasy brain cell thats about to burn out.this was'nt a country it was the americas no foundation whatso ever.people left a place that suppressed them.they came to a virgin land with a few rouge tribes that were scattered all over.far from unity or anything with a soild foundation.and believe it our not most tribes that were here hated each other yea some would trade and what not with each other but they fought with each other so the whole evil white man theory that came to a country"which it was not" and slaughtered for no reason is crazy.

and btw besides all of that to compare what was done back then to illegals not is just trying to side step the real issue here.here are the facts of the matter and how you can't even compare the 2.first off when they came back then they came to build a new life not come and mooch off of the work thats already been done.they came and had nothing and had to build this land from the ground up.not come here and reap the rewards from the hard work of others.there was nothing charted out here everything that was done was very hard nothing was handed to them and many died and suffered.everyone worked and paid there way everything was earned the hard way.

i know i'll get alot of hate off this but facts are facts im sick and tired of our gov taking our hard earned money and giving it away to everyone but us.how can we justify our gov having their nose in everyone elses biz and handing over all of our hard work and money to everyone else when their are so many suffering right here at home?they have trained america to hate their own and kiss everyone elses ass and if you don't you are labeled a racist and so on.wtf?illegals can come over get work get housing get free healthcare the list goes on.but you try that and see what happens.with everything that is going on here at home with the country being on the verge of collapse and and the jobless rate thats so high and were going to give the lil jobs we have to outsiders that come here not to help create or build a "new world"like our forfathers did but rather to just come and leech off it as much as they can.whatever.

[psychocat]

If you really want to know what will happen when ganja becomes business just take a look around you and see how much regulation is applied to the growing of any cash crop.
The big boys always swallow up the little guys and nothing will ever change that.

[FarmerSteve]

Your assessment is right on ^^^^^


But trust me, things are a changin'.


They'd be changing a lot faster if even the people who have open eyes would actually DO something. Talking and getting something done have little to do with one another.

100 people on this board yapping about "injustice" and maybe 4 will actually take a chance and put in some effort, beyond voting, writing or talking, (some won't even do THAT) to make something righteous happen.

Maybe those who have kool-aid in their veins deserve to be enslaved?

[throatstick]

Your assessment is right on ^^^^^


But trust me, things are a changin'.


They'd be changing a lot faster if even the people who have open eyes would actually DO something. Talking and getting something done have little to do with one another.

100 people on this board yapping about "injustice" and maybe 4 will actually take a chance and put in some effort, beyond voting, writing or talking, (some won't even do THAT) to make something righteous happen.

Maybe those who have kool-aid in their veins deserve to be enslaved?

what is there besides voting,writing,talking?all of which does'nt do anything.the fact is there is only 1 thing that has been the only tide changer in history.i think we all know what that is.just look at history where a great injustice has been done and then look at all the talking that took place.then look at what had to take place before anything changed.thats the bottom line...

[GratefulMeds]

what is there besides voting,writing,talking?all of which does'nt do anything.the fact is there is only 1 thing that has been the only tide changer in history.i think we all know what that is.just look at history where a great injustice has been done and then look at all the talking that took place.then look at what had to take place before anything changed.thats the bottom line...

The minorities rise up and take their rights back, we have not lost yet, we still have a fight in the courts. But we really need to get everyone vocal and active, patients, growers, dispensaries, neighbors, friends and enemy's.:thumbsup:

[FlyinPolynesian]

At least the 5 patient limit won't stand up in court. Corry has proved that twice now? The real question is when will this shit be enforced? And how the hell are the politicians getting away with this?

Itʻs politics bruddah, ya know a continuation of school being a massive popularity contest where MONEY is god!!

[FarmerSteve]

The minorities rise up and take their rights back, we have not lost yet, we still have a fight in the courts. But we really need to get everyone vocal and active, patients, growers, dispensaries, neighbors, friends and enemy's.:thumbsup:


We need the best of us to unite in a REAL way. Off line. There are strategic moves that can be put into motion once we have a dedicated core of players.

Until then, more talking, more losing.

[FlyinPolynesian]

We need the best of us to unite in a REAL way. Off line. There are strategic moves that can be put into motion once we have a dedicated core of players.

Until then, more talking, more losing.

Iʻm always down for a roit :D

Just kidding, I will do whatever I can to fight this bill and support the ensuing fight for patients and the little guys rights:thumbsup: