Any idea's here on why, timing isnt on my side

[LetsSeeYa]

Well these are well over 3 weeks old. I have them in Organtic MG soil, which i started them all in peat cups before putting them in these 32oz cups.
My temps are 86 high and 68 degrees lows. The humidity is high 68 and low is at 48. I thought they were cold so i tried the blanket around them to try an cover the outside of the cups and try an keep them warmer. Dumb maybe but i need them to get up so im trying anything. Plus it keeps the light off the sides of the cups, as i know roots an light do not get along. Iv used some FF veg nutes at 1/4 strength to try an boost them. The lights are close enough i believe and im running 24/0 light schedule.

The only thing that i can think of is that the cups are so big, the roots haven't reached there destination to start above ground growth, or its just to damn cold. I thought maybe over water, but nope. Also, iv put slits in the cup around the sides for air to get to the roots.........no perlite tho, they drain well?

Also, they had stretched pretty bad before i put them in the bigger cups, but i just made sure i put them in deep and since then i haven't had any stretching. The lights are 109watts with 7,000 lumen according to the box and there right on top of them. And there are a set above my re vegged plants just like them, so enough light. Oh and all femed seeds too.

Any advise would be great, thanks:rasta:

[Buckten]

U might want to get them in bigger pots. when the roots bottom out it droops and start to turn yellow like that. and more light would be a plus. 5000 lumens per sq ft. i have 6 plants and they are in 1 gallon pots and i have about 20,000 lumens. u want ur leaves perky and green. and roots dont like light. that will probably fix ur problem

[bigsby]

You want to leave them in those pots. They are fine there. Too big too soon and you will stunt the growth of the plant. You could have started them with less soil / smaller pots. It is hard to gauge the size of those things but I'm guessing you can leave them in those until they are at least 6 - 8". Otherwise the plant will focus all energy on growing roots below ground. Just be sure that those cups have holes in the bottom for drainage.

Check your Ph first. They look a little young for nutes at this point.

[pappabear]

I would check the following:


Type of water your using. Tap water/Soft Water, bottled water, distilled water, RO water?
Are you PH the water
Are you over watering? Let it almost dry out before you water it again
No nutes at this early stage.
Make sure you have proper drainage at the bottom of the cups, really good drainage

[irydyum]

Hey LSY, when you say you didn't overwater, how do you know? How long have those cups taken to dry out?

I usually root seedlings in light warrior, no nutes in it, but tons of chunky perlite. The fact that you mentioned perlite suggests that you think something is amiss in your medium. You may want to let them dry out all the way, it's easy to rot roots on seedlings, and it'll show up all kinds of funky ways. If you are using a new medium, keep an extra cup full of it off to the side and water it too. Check it out with the others, but you can fingerF--- the one with no baby in it without worry.

Just my :twocents: for now. Keep us up to date and remember how hearty the plant is. Sometimes no action can be the best action for a minute:thumbsup:

[Dutch Pimp]

next time...use 25% (small) perlite, added/mixed to the soil...with drain holes in the bottom....same for the next transplant.

The water should go in and drain out, immediately.

[Rusty Trichome]

Well these are well over 3 weeks old. I have them in Organtic MG soil, which i started them all in peat cups before putting them in these 32oz cups....Iv used some FF veg nutes at 1/4 strength to try an boost them.
Were I you, I'd transplant into fresh medium with a little extra perlite and into a container made for plants. Doesn't look like you have adequate drainage in those cups, and it looks like you've kept the medium too wet for too long. Were that not the case, I'd recommend a good flush.
The cups are not clear, so stop worrying about the light hitting the roots.
Absolutely no additional nutrients until their 5th or 6th set of true leaves, since the MG Organic nutes will last a couple of months for you. But I'd still transplant into fresh medium without the additional Fox Farms nutrients, and I'd do it now.


I thought maybe over water, but nope. ...Also, iv put slits in the cup around the sides for air to get to the roots.........no perlite tho, they drain well? Just looking at your medium, one of my first thoughts was overwatering.
Looks like you need better pots with better drainage.

Read as much and as often as you can. You seem to be missing the fundamentals, but there is hope if you continue to learn.

One last thing...Do yourself a favor, and quit trying to diagnose your own plant problems, until you know what the hell you're doing. Let someone with experience guide you. Killing your plants with good intentions is avoidable.

Likely a dumb question...but do you know your water ph?

[TheChameleon]

I think it's the water make sure the ph is right...

[LetsSeeYa]

Hey LSY, when you say you didn't overwater, how do you know? How long have those cups taken to dry out?

I only water when the are completely dry and before this pic they were dry. They have been watered every 4th day.


I usually root seedlings in light warrior, no nutes in it, but tons of chunky perlite. The fact that you mentioned perlite suggests that you think something is amiss in your medium. You may want to let them dry out all the way, it's easy to rot roots on seedlings, and it'll show up all kinds of funky ways. If you are using a new medium, keep an extra cup full of it off to the side and water it too. Check it out with the others, but you can fingerF--- the one with no baby in it without worry.

Well i dont have any perlite in the soil. I have great drainage. When they are watered it runs through the cups and out the bottoms pretty quickly. I have holes in the bottom as well as a few slits in the sides of the cups. Just by picking them up an a slight squeeze, i can tell there dry. Thats a good idea to add an empty cup to use as a Gage for watering irydum:thumbsup:


Just my :twocents: for now. Keep us up to date and remember how hearty the plant is. Sometimes no action can be the best action for a minute:thumbsup:

Thanks irydum, i need all the advise i can get, as these were to go out in a couple weeks, but cant put them out like this for sure. And i know i need some perlite.


Were I you, I'd transplant into fresh medium with a little extra perlite and into a container made for plants. Doesn't look like you have adequate drainage in those cups, and it looks like you've kept the medium too wet for too long. Were that not the case, I'd recommend a good flush.
The cups are not clear, so stop worrying about the light hitting the roots.
Absolutely no additional nutrients until their 5th or 6th set of true leaves, since the MG Organic nutes will last a couple of months for you. But I'd still transplant into fresh medium without the additional Fox Farms nutrients, and I'd do it now.

They were bone dry before the pic was taken and like i said, the water runs right through the cups and out the bottoms of the cups. Iv never used any ferts like this before thirty days, but i guess i thought it might help. Its only been 2 days since i added the fert, so i guess il flush first. Then re pot with perlite. But, drainage is good. Its good to know the light isn't getting through the cups, as i didn't think it would, but after issues, i just tried anything i thought might help.

I guess re pot is the answer, with perlite this time.



Read as much and as often as you can. You seem to be missing the fundamentals, but there is hope if you continue to learn.

Rusty i read everyday, and thats no bull, everyday:thumbsup:I have never used these peat cups before, but i re potted the cup with 2 seedlings in it and roots were all the way to the bottom of the cup.


One last thing...Do yourself a favor, and quit trying to diagnose your own plant problems, until you know what the hell you're doing. Let someone with experience guide you. Killing your plants with good intentions is avoidable.

I am only going by my experience Rusty. No its not much compared to you and a lot of people on here and it was only meant as a suggestion, which i tried to rule out. But i understand, hell if i were ask id say they look over watered to me. But, iv make that mistake and im trying not to repeat the over water thing.


Likely a dumb question...but do you know your water Ph?


No question is dumb, its 7.1. I am slowly getting the tools i need, perlite is on the list. I went through the soil with my re veg project which is looking pretty good so far. But, iv used up the MG soil and all i have is cheap shit. I do have cash problems, but try to get the best materials when i can.

Also, thanks Rusty, i try an use what iv learned here, but this is something im just not understanding. I guess im one to try an use what iv learned before posting a pic with a question mark:wtf: I would think as an experienced grower, you would want me to try an figure out my issues before asking for help. And, this is my first ever problem starting any seeds? I had put them in these cups hoping i could cut half the cup off and plant with the cup around the plant to protect them from bugs, till they got bigger. So thats why there in them, just an idea?

Pic is over all project to go out i hope in a few weeks, after re pot:thumbsup:

Just took a pic and they seem a lot greener with new growth from yesterday, think i should maybe give them a few days after iv seen them better today?

Thanks tons for the advise Rusty, :rasta:

[bigsby]

There are dumb questions - the ones you don't ask!

Re-pot for sure. Get yoru PH down a bit. You're doing fine.

[LetsSeeYa]

next time...use 25% (small) perlite, added/mixed to the soil...with drain holes in the bottom....same for the next transplant.

The water should go in and drain out, immediately.

Thanks Dutch:thumbsup: I do need some perlite, just have not had problems without it so far. Plus when they are watered, it flows right through the cup and out the bottom. The pic i took today looks much better, so im not sure to wait a couple days, or jump on the re pot. Also, there are holes in the bottom of all the cups, with a few slits in the lower sides too. But, no perlite.

Thanks again Dutch:rasta:

[Dutch Pimp]

and where ever they sell perlite? ...
they usually sell, cheap $5 moisture meters...which have an 8 inch metal probe (three readings- Wet-Moist-Dry)...very useful the entire grow...:thumbsup:

[stra8outtaWeed]

i will concurr with a few others before me...they look overwatered but could definitely use some drainage enhancement in your soil mix..perlite or coco coir is good :thumbsup:

and get a reading on your soil ph :D

jm .02 :smokin:

[LetsSeeYa]

U might want to get them in bigger pots. when the roots bottom out it droops and start to turn yellow like that. and more light would be a plus. 5000 lumens per sq ft. i have 6 plants and they are in 1 gallon pots and i have about 20,000 lumens. u want ur leaves perky and green. and roots dont like light. that will probably fix ur problem

Man you didnt read my post or something. I have 7,000 luman above them and my last grow was great with this set up. I grew 4 plants under i think was 279watts, which they are under now. Also, they are not root bound, i checked, as they have only been in the cups around 3 weeks. Im not sure you read my post.

:rasta:

[LetsSeeYa]

i will concurr with a few others before me...they look overwatered but could definitely use some drainage enhancement in your soil mix..perlite or coco coir is good :thumbsup:

and get a reading on your soil ph :D

jm .02 :smokin:

Hey Str8, my Ph is 7.1 and iv never used perlite before. The drainage is great, did you see my last post? The water goes right through and flows out the bottom. Thats why im stumped:wtf: I will be getting perlite for re pot tho


:rasta:

[LetsSeeYa]

and where ever they sell perlite? ...
they usually sell, cheap $5 moisture meters...which have an 8 inch metal probe (three readings- Wet-Moist-Dry)...very useful the entire grow...:thumbsup:

Thanks Dutch il look for one of those. I do have someone watering for me, but i keep an eye on the over watering i thought, but just maybe that was the problem. They look great today for some reason, but got ferts two days ago, which iv never have used ferts before 30 days of growth. Its something iv read, not to do. It might have helped them, as the pics show. Of course im still worried.

Thanks again Dutch:rasta:

[xxMrGreenThumbx]

i hope ur babys are ok man.. wot seeds are they... i hope it goes sweet for u mate.. ur plants are in my thoughts :D

[LetsSeeYa]

Well so i blew up a couple pic's at two days apart and look as tho they are perking up. Also, they were feed 2 days ago, I checked the Ph of this before i used it and thats where i got the 7.1 Ph reading. This was not from run off. To me they look over watered, big time! I guess they could have been over watered, but they were bone dry when i saw them. Someone Else has been watering them, i didn't think it was the issue, but it might be. Plus iv found that they are older then i had thought, 5 weeks at least.

Sorry everyone but spoke to person that helps with a few things and found that they were older. But, watering every 4 days. So i compared the pic's from 2 days ago and today. This is a couple pic's side by, to see they have perked up. To see you pretty much gotta open the pics to see how much new growth and see the leaves perking up.

Im really sorry for the incorrect info, but perlite should still be added, i agree. And i only used the cups to maybe create a barrier, so the bugs couldn't get to them while there small by cutting half the cup off the bottom and plant it. Grow and learn i guess. But i dont like putting out wrong info. My bad everyone. I dont want to waste people's time!

These pics are from 23rd and then today im hoping to let them get a bit better before i transplant. But any sign of them looking bad and re pot will take place asap. Again thanks for all the input, you know who you are:jointsmile:

:rasta:

[LetsSeeYa]

You want to leave them in those pots. They are fine there. Too big too soon and you will stunt the growth of the plant. You could have started them with less soil / smaller pots. It is hard to gauge the size of those things but I'm guessing you can leave them in those until they are at least 6 - 8". Otherwise the plant will focus all energy on growing roots below ground. Just be sure that those cups have holes in the bottom for drainage.

Check your Ph first. They look a little young for nutes at this point.

Hey big, my Ph before using it was 7.1 and the cups are 32oz. But they were started in peat cups till they sprouted, then put in the 32oz cups. When they were put in, they had stretched pretty bad, so i just made sure i put them in deep enough to cover most of the stem. Even though i dont have perlite in them water goes straight through the cup and out the bottoms. All cups drain very well. Also, the plants are over 5 weeks, i think using the peat cups sorta threw me off, as iv never germed seeds in these peat cups, so i might have been thinking of when they were put into the 32oz cups.

This is what they look like today. Much better, i found that they might have been splashed with ferts on the leaves. Something i had no knowledge of, or i would have never put this post up:wtf:found this out today.

So this is 3 days difference:rasta:

:rasta:

[stra8outtaWeed]

your new growth is looking better :thumbsup:

i would still try to get your soil to 6.5...7.1 is a bit high :jointsmile:

[LetsSeeYa]

your new growth is looking better :thumbsup:

i would still try to get your soil to 6.5...7.1 is a bit high :jointsmile:

Well Str8 im new with the Ph meter and that reading is not at run off. I just tested my water after the nutes were added to see if the Ph was to high. So, when i water next time il get a reading of the run off. I wouldn't even have the thing if it wasn't for a great guy that sent it to me:thumbsup:.
Plus im not even sure its calibrated correctly. I have ''optimum growths Ph buffer solution'' and a pre mixed water bottle that reads ''ph 7.1'', so my reading proboblly isnt correct. He told me not to let it dry out, but honestly i really need to read up on it. I grew outside, so alot of new stuff to take in. It was easy to put 5 plants in pre ferted soil and water them. But i learn by doing and i guess its time to pick up the pace and really figure this out now, because i like growing in. This past indoor was very easy with no nutes used or methods, just planted and made sure the lights were enough.

If you compare the pic's, in 3 days they have really took to the ferts i gave them. Hey can ya shoot me an email, im on yahoo, i thought i had it but no.

peace:rasta:

[LetsSeeYa]

Well i waited a bit to see what would happen and they looked good then bad. And just never got to be what im used to seeing, so i bought a shit load of perlite for 5 bucks and re potted them all. They were in mucky nasty watery soil. Now they look like this and the coffee container has plenty of holes in the bottom. Ran out of pots, but they are out hardening off for outdoor grow. They seem to like it out there, so in a couple weeks they will go into the ground. The far right one was never in a cup.

So, now perlite is my best friend, fo show:rasta:

[TheChameleon]

Well i waited a bit to see what would happen and they looked good then bad. And just never got to be what im used to seeing, so i bought a shit load of perlite for 5 bucks and re potted them all. They were in mucky nasty watery soil. Now they look like this and the coffee container has plenty of holes in the bottom. Ran out of pots, but they are out hardening off for outdoor grow. They seem to like it out there, so in a couple weeks they will go into the ground. The far right one was never in a cup.

So, now perlite is my best friend, fo show:rasta:

I go as much as 40% perlite and the plants love it and by trial and many errors I use ph down in my water 6.0 to 6.5 seems to be the best range just my personal experience... Perlite is cheap and thats a good thing...