First Grow

[canniwhatsis]

Hi All,.... Newbie to the forum, and to growing.


For our first grow we've picked up a Grandaddy purple clone, Nothing too advanced ATM, will be setting up a grow room over the next couple months,... In the meantime she can veg in the bedroom or out back. Wish me luck!:smokin:

Looks like I'll have to get some more posts before I can attach pics.:(

More to come;)

[PhatJay]

Until you hit the magic post count (I think it's 20) you can use an image host like imgur.com and post the links to your images.

[canniwhatsis]

Thanks, I'd link to an off site image gallery if I could,... but I managed to loose my password for PhotoBucket, and I'd kinda rather not have the pics there anyway.

I'll just have to try and get on more often and get the post count up.

[canniwhatsis]

Nearly a week has gone by, Not much progress.... I was hoping the little girl would take off better than this by now, but I'm really not set up as well as I should be at the moment.

The leaves at the bottom of the cutting are still on there but they are pretty yellow,... she's grown 3 new but there small, and the tips are browning up pretty quick. :( I know the first week or so with a clone can seem a bit rocky so my hopes are still high and she's starting to show signs of improvement.


She's potted in a #3 with Happy Frog soil, currently just using tap water that's been set out, tho not for 24 hours.


The wife found a little tiny grow lamp,... 15w and seems to be certain that it's enough with a small mylar inclosure in our closet. There's also a 4" fan blowing on her.

Still don't think I can post pics.

TTFN!:cool:

[canniwhatsis]

Found my way into the local hydro store and replaced the single 15 watt 18" T8 aquarium bulb with a 24" 4 tube T5 set from HydroFarm :cool:




Question, Should I remove the yellow leaves down at the bottom, The old growth ones from when the clone was clipped off the mother plant? :wtf:

[PhatJay]

Question, Should I remove the yellow leaves down at the bottom, The old growth ones from when the clone was clipped off the mother plant?

Some people remove the old yellow leaves, some don't. Personally I prefer to let them fall off when the plant is done with them. If it was blocking the light to a lower healthy leaf, I would remove it.

[canniwhatsis]

Well,... I went and plucked the 2 bottom leaves,... They weren't blocking anything cept the soil,.. but I still feel they were a tax on the plant as they were mostly yellow and the tips were brown/dry/curling. They fell off with hardly any downward pressure, so I'm fairly sure the plant doesn't miss them. ;)

I guess I'm gonna have to wait more than a day to see how much she really likes the new lamps..... but I'm having fun watching her grow none the less!:i feel stupid:

[canniwhatsis]

And there goes my 18 hour alarm,..... which I'm gonna ignore tonight! ;)


I'll turn the lights off when I go to sleep. :D

[canniwhatsis]

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc303/3dRookie/smileys/emo-update.gifPicked up a timer to plug the lights and little fan into today.

Also got a thermometer that has humidity too. Temps are a bit high (85.5*), Humidity is WAY low (38%(It's Colorado, so no surprise))

After just one day under the new lamp she's stopped growing UP, and started sprouting branches from every single node,... even the ones that had leaves clipped off to root her! :pimp:



I know it's a B.S. post and there's no pics,... well there are, but I can't post attachments yet! http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc303/3dRookie/smileys/postwhore2.gif








Now if I could just remember my Photobucket password:i feel stupid:

[COzigzag]

While you're getting your post count up so you can post pictures in your threads, go to your user cp (up top between Forum Home and Members list) and put your pictures in your photo album/pictures.

Let us know they are there!:thumbsup:

[canniwhatsis]

So I can post pics in a Photo album but can't attach?

Interesting..... Gimme a minuet.;)

[canniwhatsis]

:rastabanna:Cool,... Found one of the pics from when we brought the little girl home and got that posted in an album,... Now I'm gonna spend a while searching my hard drive for the more recent pics, and pics of the light swap.

[canniwhatsis]

well,... I've got the pics to date loaded in my photo album under "First Grow"

[canniwhatsis]

Added a couple more pics of the new growth to the album.:cool:

[canniwhatsis]

:pimp: I can finally post attachments!:jointsmile:

[Buckten]

u were of to a bad start but it will grow good. lower your lights try to keep them like 4-5 inches from the tops.

[canniwhatsis]

I moved some things around in my grow "room" a little today,... got a consistent temp just over 80* now,... still no luck on upping my humidity. :(

It is colorado after all, It rained outside all day, and my max humidity was 40%


I've got the lights only 3.5-4" off the top of the plant, even in the picture's I've already posted,... she's still really small, only had her for a week today.

[PhatJay]

According to the ultimate grow dvd you can increase humidity by simply placing a bucket/container of water in your grow room.

[sarah louise]

.. but I still feel they were a tax on the plant as they were mostly yellow and the tips were brown/dry/curling.

A yellow leaf does not tax a plants resources. It is, in fact, in the process of being recycled. The plant uses much less energy to recycle components than to create new ones, so... removing yellowing leaves actually costs the plant rather than benefits it.

[canniwhatsis]

A yellow leaf does not tax a plants resources. It is, in fact, in the process of being recycled. The plant uses much less energy to recycle components than to create new ones, so... removing yellowing leaves actually costs the plant rather than benefits it.

Thanks for the info, this has so far been a learning experience. Yesterday's temps peaked at 91.1 (I believe that was while I was moving stuff around and not an ambient temp) and overnight with the lights off dropped to 67.9 I'm using a 18/6 lighting cycle to let the leaves rest and encourage strong root growth

I read in another section about the disadvantages of potting a small plant in a large pot, so I've changed my watering schedule to not soak the soil until she's considerably larger. Instead I'm watering lesser amounts more often and just around the stem.


I'm working on cleaning out my basement, there's a nook that's 4.5x6.5' that I'm going to convert into a proper grow area. I'm questioning if I will be able to partition it into veg and separate flowering areas,... I know it can be done if we keep the plants small before flowering, but I'm thinking of 4 months veg time before flowering, so I might be flowering small trees! :hippy:

[PhatJay]

but I'm thinking of 4 months veg time before flowering, so I might be flowering small trees!

I would rethink that if I were you, my current plants vegged for 28 days and they are 3ft tall including the pots (currently 4 weeks into flower). Flourescent lights have poor light penetration, if you vegged for 4 months, the bottom of the plants would be so far away from the lights they would produce very little.

[canniwhatsis]

Good point,... I can use CFL's around her when she gets bigger, I"m gonna get a HPS setup for flowering.

I'm gonna have to wait for my next pay cycle to kick in before I can start getting supplies to build my proper grow room.

[PhatJay]

Even if you got better lighting, you would get a larger more consistent harvest with a shorter veg time. Keeping a low and even canopy is one of the secrets to getting a good harvest. Thats why scrog, sog, lst, and fim are such popular techniques for indoor growers.


4 weeks veg + 9 weeks flower = 13 weeks
16 weeks veg + 9 weeks flower = 25 weeks

You can get 2-4oz a plant with a 28 day veg period. You could grow 2 crops in the same time it took you to grow 1 crop with a 4 month veg period. If you set up a seperate veg room you can crop every 9 weeks.

[canniwhatsis]

Maybe somewhere in the middle then?:(

I'm only allowed 6 plants at any time, and a max of 3 can be flowering. I'm only growing for my house, and the amount of smoke per month is fairly low, around an ounce or so.:jointsmile:

LST is on my list of things to do,... possibly SCROG but for this first grow we are going all natural.:hippy:


I was thinking that when I get the proper grow room setup, I would grow 2 strains (3 each) and offset their life cycles by a month,.... So I'd harvest 1 plant each month, Just after harvesting the plant, I'm down to 5, so cut a clone off of the next plant of that strain to go into flowering, puting me back up to 3 of that strain,... Doing it this way would actually give me about 18 weeks of veg per strain, but still harvest every month or so.:weedpoke:


Probably an ill-conceived NOOB plan that won't work.:o

[TruePyroman]

Have you ever seen the video 'Mr. Greens I Grow Chronic' ? He Harvests 4 oz every 2 months, with a 400w hps, co2, in a ebb and flow grow system.

it is on piratebay.org.

hope this helps!

[canniwhatsis]

Yep, that vid inspired the layout of my grow room!:thumbsup:


I'm keeping everything in soil tho,... if I have any overgrow the dispensary's that I've talked to want "Organic" so they've gotta be grown in soil.:hippy:

I'm not sure I want to keep a "Mother" plant of each strain,... tho if the long veg time's don't work out well I might just do it that way:rasta:

[PhatJay]

LST is on my list of things to do,... possibly SCROG but for this first grow we are going all natural.:hippy:

I get the "all natural" thing, I did the same with my 1st grow. I was scared to try anything fancy and just wanted to watch and learn. :) I vegged for 39 days and I regret it, this time round I vegged for 28 and the plants are just as big as when I vegged for 39. I am even considering dropping to 21 days for my next grow. A friend of mine veggies for 14 days and gets 3-4oz a plant.

Aim for 4 or 5 weeks, I think you will regret vegging for longer.

[canniwhatsis]

Total No0B question, WTF is Coco? By reading your logs your running Hydroponic? :wtf:


At the end of week one she's really small,.... but under the new light she's getting lots of branches starting. I guess I'm gonna play this grow by ear.


Has anyone used Happy Frog soil? The Hydro store said I shouldn't need any nutes for a month at least, and only really need them for flowering "IF" I wanted to use them, kinda made it sound like I didn't really need anything to boost yeild/ increase potency.:wtf:



I gotta get back into the basement,... must build RC airplanes to crash at events over the next couple months. :o

[PhatJay]

Total No0B question, WTF is Coco? By reading your logs your running Hydroponic?

Coco is ground up coconut shells, it looks like soil but it isn't and is considered a hydroponic medium. It has certain advantages...

1, It contains no nutrients, this means you can control what your plants are feeding on very precisely and rectify problems quickly (if you get any). A lot of the pre-mixed fertilised soils are designed for other plants and are too strong for cannabis.
2, It maintains a good air/water ratio. It is very hard to overwater when growing in coco.


Basically, coco is a great beginners grow medium and is easier to grow in than soil.

As far as disadvantages...

1, Coco is supposed to produce less dense fluffier buds. (less dense, not less bud).
2, If you get soil growing right it is meant to give a better taste.


you can also get organic coco, if you wanted to go the organic route.

heres a thread that will tell you a bit more about coco...

http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-growing/182504-calling-weezard-coco-questions.html

[canniwhatsis]

I'll keep that in mind if I ever go the Hydro way,.... thanks for the quick answer!

I'd give you some props,... but I have to spread the love a little! ;)

[canniwhatsis]

She's growin like a weed!:hippy:

[420SourD]

for pics ive been using tinypic.com it simple "even a caveman can do it" lol but yes im on my first grow to im on the 6th day and my baby is looking great i also somehow got a second plant from 1 seed i have no clue what happened she looks deformed tho but im tryin to save her you can check out my first grow if youd like

[canniwhatsis]

Yep,.. I've been watching, I'd help out more but I'm about tapped out for knowledge. The guy at the dispensary got me pointed in the right direction when we picked up the clone. I'm kinda playing by ear from there out.

[420SourD]

yah me too i know a little bit from studying cause i read up on it for about a month before i started but there is hella more info out there for me to absorb im not to wurried if this grow doesnt work out as planned cause its my first but it would be hot as fuck if i pick it up good so far ive been having a lot of fun doing it even if all i get is males ill make sum hash outa it atleast

[canniwhatsis]

I don't much think you can get Hash outa males,... there good for spawning seeds,.... and destroying!http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc303/3dRookie/smileys/_devil_hell1420.gif


My little girl is looking pretty good IMHO It's a bit tough to tell if she's needing anything other than water tho,... since she's a grandaddy purple she's got a blue hue to her leaves,... I'm going to go on the idea that that's a Good thing!:thumbsup:

Her branches are starting to stretch out away from the main stem on a couple of the nodes

Temps today stayed between 83.4 and 74.7 Humidity still WAY low, 29% min 36% max.... I dug out the humidifier and added it to the closet,... I'm letting things settle out and will post my new stats later. :jointsmile:



Couple pics from this evening,... It's hard to catch the purple/blue color in the leaves in a picture,... it's dead obvious first person tho! :cool:

the 2nd and 4th show the color a bit better.:wtf:

[canniwhatsis]

Well, after an hour of settling in to the new fan of the humidifier I'm at 46% humidity, and 77.something* :cool: :jointsmile:


Things seem to be happy,... I'm gonna turn her up from 18/6 to 20/4 for tonight with the higher humidity.

Anyone got a take on that? :stoned:

[420SourD]

sorry dont mean to thread steal but i wanted to ask you my baby doesnt seem to wana grow more leafs for some reason the 2 bladed leafs are gettin big as fuck tho but for sum reason im on day 7 and i just cant get it to grow more leafs its really brain rattling to me mind helping?

[canniwhatsis]

I had the same trouble germinating seeds when I was in my teens (almost 2 decades ago) I didn't know shit about what I was doing then either.....

I'll note that you haven't added to your log,... or either of the other threads you started,... so the lack of in focus pics doesn't help much.


You've upped the lighting on advice from me,... and If I Remember Correctly you repotted in Non fertilized soil on advice from someone else?

It's a plant,... it needs light to make energy to grow more,... The first two leaves are gonna get big 1/2" or so before they will start making enough energy for the sprout to start the next set of leaves ;)


Give your sprouts some time, This is a waiting game (I'm well into Week 2 with a CLONE and as of yet her biggest leaf is only the size of a silver dollar! :wtf: )..., post pics in your grow log in the meantime! :thumbsup:

[canniwhatsis]

420,... Check this out......

http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-growing/127522-simple-noob-instructions-growin-da-dankness.html

For your situation,....

http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-growing/127522-simple-noob-instructions-growin-da-dankness.html#post1577832

[420SourD]

will do actually right this minuite cause in 28 mins shes going to bed for 8

[PhatJay]

Things seem to be happy,... I'm gonna turn her up from 18/6 to 20/4 for tonight with the higher humidity.

Anyone got a take on that? :stoned:

Pick a light schedule and stick with it. Don't alter it, 18/6 20/4 or 24/0. Their are varying opinions on which is best and no concensus.

[Weezard]

Maybe somewhere in the middle then?:(

I'm only allowed 6 plants at any time, and a max of 3 can be flowering. I'm only growing for my house, and the amount of smoke per month is fairly low, around an ounce or so.:jointsmile:

LST is on my list of things to do,... possibly SCROG but for this first grow we are going all natural.:hippy:

I agree. It's best to do the first grow au-natural, just to get a feel for the whole process


I was thinking that when I get the proper grow room setup, I would grow 2 strains (3 each) and offset their life cycles by a month,.... So I'd harvest 1 plant each month, Just after harvesting the plant, I'm down to 5, so cut a clone off of the next plant of that strain to go into flowering, puting me back up to 3 of that strain,... Doing it this way would actually give me about 18 weeks of veg per strain, but still harvest every month or so.:weedpoke:


Probably an ill-conceived NOOB plan that won't work.:o

Quite the contrary!
It's a good plan.
Should produce a surplus, and variety.

If, nothing bad happens.

"More than enough, is too much." - W.

However, it is best to have a "buffer" surplus because first grows " geng aft agley":D

Once you get it dailed in, you can pare it down for efficiency.:cool:

(You'd be surprised how hard it is to stay strictly legal without throwing buds away.)

Techni-legally, gifting is a felony.
But, be my friends in need of weed?
I giv'em clones I giv'em seed.
If dat not legal, it should be.
Let's change da law, den we "feel free":hippy:

Sorry.
Da 'zard is prone to random rhymery outbursts when waked wit' bubblehash.:stoned::stoned::stoned:

Best of luck and aloha,

Weezard.:jointsmile:

[Weezard]

Pick a light schedule and stick with it. Don't alter it, 18/6 20/4 or 24/0. Their are varying opinions on which is best and no concensus.

Very good advice, brah!
Suggest you listen to PJ.
Unless you want some pollen.:D
For economy and ROI, I use 18/6.

If you try to tell dem poor Keiki dat da whole planet has a "hitch in it's git-along", it's liable to freak out an' break a few rules of it's own, yah?:D

But, fo' real, photo-consistency, is mandatory!

2 cents.
TIOLI
Aloha,
Weezard

[canniwhatsis]

Thanks Jay and Weezard. I've left the lighting at 18/6, temps for the day, high 81.9 low 73.9 Humidity 41-52%


I hope my negligence hasn't already stressed her too much. :(

Can someone tell me what I'm seeing at the base of all the new growth leaves?:wtf: If it's nanners this plant will become a house plant in the living room.

[420SourD]

i upgraded to a 26 watt cfl so ill post new pics in the next 2 days to show u new growth if i get any

[canniwhatsis]

Did some searching,... found this thread,... Looks like the same thing I've got going on, Axial limbs was the conclusion.
http://boards.cannabis.com/plant-problems/184182-i-think-my-plant-herming-but-not-sure.html


Any input? I fell a bit better after reading that thread tho.

[canniwhatsis]

I'm feeling better about my gender issues,... so I checked back in on her. And she's been stretching!!!!


So, against my earlier decision of all natural, I've gone ahead and started LST, :jointsmile:

She's got a bunch of branches trying to start near the base of the stalk, and they've been stunted over the last couple day's thanks to the much larger fan leaves coming in up top and blocking the lights that were almost 9" away from them.:(


The light's are much closer now! :hippy:

[PhatJay]

I'm feeling better about my gender issues,...

I think she`s OK, it's easy to get into a panic on your first grow. ;)


So, against my earlier decision of all natural, I've gone ahead and started LST, :jointsmile:

Fair play, you have a lot more balls than I had during my 1st grow. :)


I see you added some tin foil covers around the base of your plant. When I made the covers for my pots I did use tin foil, but it is not the best thing to use (I didn't know at the time). Tin foil is not as reflective as mylar and creates a small amount of heat, it didn't cause an issue for me, but bear it in mind. It would be better if you could use a proper reflective material like mylar or what Weezard uses (can't rememeber what it is called).

[Weezard]

It's called reflectix, I use it everywhere.
V. cool stuff, but plain old white paper plates do jus' fine as soil covers.
The tinfoil works in a pinch and it's specular nature seems to confuse whitefly as well.

Aloha, Cannawhatsis.

Those li'l spurs are called stipules I think.
They are not boy, or girl bits at this point.
Plant looks OK, relax a li'l.:rastasmoke:

It's jus' a weed.

Aloha y'all.

Weedzard

[canniwhatsis]

Well,... I tied her down not long before the lights went off last night,... and they've only been on for about an hour and a half so far this morning.


I'd say she's adjusting nicely.:cool:

[Vancefish]

Looks great! :D

I (as you know) couldn't post a couple days there due to the keyboard bath.:D

So after reading your thread I think you MAY be over watering a little. You should only water once you've dried out almost completely, but before the plant droops. It's best to allow it to droop a tiny bit and feel the weight of the pot at that time. Then in the future you can check by lifting the pot. It usually works out to about two and a half to three days between waterings.:thumbsup:

First bend looks great though. You're very close to to late to pull that off, many more nodes and that girl would have been to stiff.

Here is what my first bend looked like, then 10 days later when I tied back the new branches.

[PhatJay]

So after reading your thread I think you MAY be over watering a little.

Looking at that latest pic I agree. It also looks like you have a little bit of nute burn (the dark tips on the end of those 2 lower fan leaves). As you know I don't use soil, but I would think watering less would stop that.

[canniwhatsis]

That was my wife's fault,... she'd been watering 2 times a day!:eek:


As for the dry tips on the very bottom leaves they are from when she was cloned,... we didn't have really ANYTHING set up when we got the plant, so low temps and humidity didn't help,... haven't had any problem with the new growth drying out.


I know I'm pushing the time limit when I could get the stem to bend, but after adding the humidifier tho she started to stretch and when I gave her a little push she just seemed to enjoy it so out came the string! :D

The new growth from today is level to the lights and the branches have started to curve around and up. I'm gonna let the "Top" stretch another day before starting to follow the outline of the pot with the main stem.

Temps are a bit on the high side again now that the lights are down so close to the floor,... lots of heat trapped in a little space.

I've gotta wait until my next paycheck to get supplies to build a proper room in the basement, so for now the closet has to do.:beatdeadhorse:

[420SourD]

your plants look nice mines finally starting to get more leafs i see two in the process you were right about the light situation that 26 watt cfl is helpin out a lot also weitched to a 24/0 light schedual went to wally world today and couldnt find shit for splitters so im gana hit lowes up tomorrow

[canniwhatsis]

Man every time I go to look at her she's grown!!!:thumbsup::D

Even a couple of the new branches have branch buds on them! :jointsmile: I should have a little bush in another week and a half at this rate,... I'm gonna try and keep the canopy tied down as it grows so I don't have to move the lights up.





Nother crappy cellphone pic

[canniwhatsis]

And this morning the wife was complaining about the humidity in the closet!:rolleyes: I"m growing HER medicine!!!!!:wtf:

So I've opted to transplant one of the cabinets in the garage into the basement as a temporary veg room while we save $$$ to properly frame off our space and get everything squared away.




Pics to follow.;)

[canniwhatsis]

Shit, drank too much last night,... took a bunch of pics, but "misplaced" the camera :rolleyes:

Temps spiked pretty high after I got everything set up,... tho so far this morning everything looks OK. I'm gonna have the wife keep an eye on the temps today while I'm at work.

[canniwhatsis]

Actually not a bad little grow room over all.:thumbsup:

Pics are in reverse order from our old hanging mylar wrapping paper enclosure to the current set up.


I took LOTS of pics,.. and MOST of them SUCK!:mad:

Temps stayed in the upper 70's today, and humidity hovers around 60% (Drops rapidly when the doors are opened.)



This will work for a while I'm thinking.:jointsmile:

[Vancefish]

Looks great!:thumbsup: I wouldn't do that permanently, but you could likely veg it a month or more in there.

I blew up your "first" pic. Might have been the last, from what you said.:D Those lower leaves are looking much bigger now.:jointsmile:

[canniwhatsis]

2nd bend tonight,... curved the main stem back in towards the rim of the pot. She's got a nice "S" to her stem now! :D and she's still UNDER 6" tall:jointsmile:




I've been thinking about LST and SCROG,..... Well mainly just staring at my little girl and trying to figure out a better canopy.... and I had an idea....:weedpoke: What about putting a low screen over the plant while she's small, then LST to the screen for veg, then a 2nd screen when flowering?:hippy:


Yay? Nay? Fo0King go for it? Retard? I'm open to all opinions on that little brain fart.

[canniwhatsis]

Looks great!:thumbsup: I wouldn't do that permanently, but you could likely veg it a month or more in there.

I blew up your "first" pic. Might have been the last, from what you said.:D Those lower leaves are looking much bigger now.:jointsmile:



The plan is to convert the whole area that the cabinet is in to a veg room (4.5x6.5 foot), then build a separate flowering room about the same size, off to the left of those pics.:pimp:


Oh Yeah,... Found the camera too!:thumbsup::jointsmile:

[PhatJay]

What about putting a low screen over the plant while she's small, then LST to the screen for veg, then a 2nd screen when flowering?

I don't quite get what you mean to be honest. Cannabis plants stretch/grow in height for the first 2 weeks of flower. After that they don't get much taller, they just get fatter. The ideal scrog fills the screen by the second week of flower, after that it's buds all the way till harvest.

Anyway, if you want tips on scrog...

The Scrog Method So, you wa - The Scrog Method - VP40BnNh - Pastebin.com (http://pastebin.com/VP40BnNh) < this is from these forums but i can't find the original post.

and here is a great scrog Grow Log

http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/180266-finnscrog-trainwreck-mystery-sativa.html

[canniwhatsis]

I don't quite get what you mean to be honest. Cannabis plants stretch/grow in height for the first 2 weeks of flower. After that they don't get much taller, they just get fatter. The ideal scrog fills the screen by the second week of flower, after that it's buds all the way till harvest.

Anyway, if you want tips on scrog...

The Scrog Method So, you wa - The Scrog Method - VP40BnNh - Pastebin.com (http://pastebin.com/VP40BnNh) < this is from these forums but i can't find the original post.

and here is a great scrog Grow Log

http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/180266-finnscrog-trainwreck-mystery-sativa.html

Thanks Jay! :thumbsup:

I bookmarked that link and I have been watching Finn's Scrog thread, even posted a couple times over there, looks freaking awesome! :D



More my idea with the lower screen is an even grid to LST to. No rats nest of string tying the plant back to the pot, and an even base to start with. Know what I mean?

[canniwhatsis]

I don't quite get what you mean to be honest. Cannabis plants stretch/grow in height for the first 2 weeks of flower. After that they don't get much taller, they just get fatter. The ideal scrog fills the screen by the second week of flower, after that it's buds all the way till harvest.

Again, thanks for the input, I spent a bunch of time combing over the thread you linked, still more reading to do there,... but my Idea with the lower screen is just a LST thing ;)



Figured WTF I'd just do it:jointsmile:

Pics should explain,... LST,... just using a Screen,... so DemiSCROG? DSCROG?:stoned:

First pic, an overveiw. 2nd pic main stem "trained" under the grid. 3rd pic got one of the new branches trained too. 4th pic, another wide shot.

Enjoy, Whatsis.

[PhatJay]

Ok... I think I get what you mean now. You are skipping the light bondage and going straight for the cage. With the screen that low, how are you going to water once it starts to fill up?

[canniwhatsis]

Yeah, I was thinking about the watering thing this morning,.... it'll be easy for the next month or so,... after that I'll have to use a wand or something to get under the canopy. The screen is about 3" off the top of the pot, and the stakes are in the soil so if I need to repot the screen will come out with the plant :wtf: It's not gonna be easy tho.

[Coachgee]

Looking god canniwhatsis I will be following your grow...:thumbsup:

[canniwhatsis]

Looking god canniwhatsis I will be following your grow...:thumbsup:

Thanks for the comment! :D

It's been a couple day's since I've posted so here's a bit of an update.

Pic #1 I got some work done on framing up a proper grow "Room" Need to rent a hammer drill to set the base board for the wall,... then up goes the drywall and paint to make the outside look like it's just a walk in closet to the casual observer.

Pic #2 Over view.:D

Pic #3 Close up with some decent color.:hippy:

Pic #4 the branches at the bottom are starting to stretch.:thumbsup:

Pic #5 The reason I'm doing this experiment. :jointsmile:

[raizla]

I've never seen a screen this low before. I wonder what problems/benefits will come along with the setup. I would think, like someone else said, that it will be difficult to water. I also wonder if the leaves will hang down into the soil once the plant fills out a bit. Time will tell.

[canniwhatsis]

I've never seen a screen this low before. I wonder what problems/benefits will come along with the setup. I would think, like someone else said, that it will be difficult to water. I also wonder if the leaves will hang down into the soil once the plant fills out a bit. Time will tell.



Bear in mind,... I'm still in VEG!!! :D I'm not even gonna try and flower for a while,... need to take some clones first ;) Then she's gonna flower,.... say another 2 months,.... errr, month as quick as the screen is filling! :jointsmile:


Couple pics after tonight's training session before bed time, Enjoy.:rastasmoke:

[canniwhatsis]

Bear in mind,... I'm still in VEG!!! :D I'm not even gonna try and flower for a while,... need to take some clones first ;) Then she's gonna flower,.... say another 2 months,.... errr, month as quick as the screen is filling! :jointsmile:


Couple pics after tonight's training session before bed time, Enjoy.:rastasmoke:

Figured I'd reiterate the "Still in VEG!!!" part of that,... I"m "pre screening" my eventual ScrOG. Currently the screen is 15"x24" when it fills up I figure she will be root bound in the 3 gallon pot she's in, so I'll transplant her to a minimum 5 gallon pot, then put her into flower!

for flowering I figure I'd double the size of the screen,... so 36x42 ( bit more square) and put the new screen about 9" above the current screen.:hippy:


Thoughts?:jointsmile:

[PhatJay]

Thoughts?:jointsmile:

I could be missing something and failing to understand what you are doing. But I don't think this is going to work. Please bear in mind I highlighted the word think, because I don't know. I am going to be watching with interest though. :jointsmile:

[PhatJay]

Once you switch to flower the plants stretch a bit, but not a lot. They will not stretch enough to grow into and fill another screen. The second screen will just be sitting 9" above your canopy/1st screen.

[canniwhatsis]

Your probably right,.... this is my first shot at growing after all. I'm not entirely sure what to expect as things progress. :o

[PhatJay]

Your probably right,.... this is my first shot at growing after all. I'm not entirely sure what to expect as things progress. :o

I admire your pioneering spirit. If everyone followed the rules and didn't try new things, a lot of the established techniques wouldn't exist. I tend to be more cautious and go with proven ideas.

[canniwhatsis]

I think I've figured out what's in my head with the 2nd screen thing,... Veg this screen out, leave the plant in veg and let the canopy stretch up to the 2nd screen and start filling it up. (need to cut clones from somewhere ;) ) Then put into flowering.:hippy:





The main stem is (was) shooting all the branches to the outside of the screen, I need to get it turned in and start getting branches spreading to the inside, so a couple zip ties and some string were involved.:cool:

Nothing much else to report, temps and humidity are under control in my little cabinet, grow room is still under construction, need to rent a hammer drill today.

Couple pics after last nights training session.

[Vancefish]

It looks a little bigger now. :D

Keep a VERY close eye on how tight those zip ties get over the next couple/few weeks. The stems will thicken quite a lot, and a tight tie will strangle your stems if left tight.

Otherwise, get ready for a lot of fast growth, and lookin good! :thumbsup:

I added a pic of when my plant (string) tie back strangled the main stem.

[canniwhatsis]

The zip ties get removed as soon as the stem is trained under the wire,... I haven't had any of the ties I've used on the plant for more than a couple days! :thumbsup:

[PhatJay]

I think I've figured out what's in my head with the 2nd screen thing,... Veg this screen out, leave the plant in veg and let the canopy stretch up to the 2nd screen and start filling it up. (need to cut clones from somewhere ;) ) Then put into flowering.:hippy:

I think you are missing the point of a scrog, but whatever... it`s your grow.

:beatdeadhorse:

[canniwhatsis]

Time will tell. This is only 3.5 weeks at the moment, there's lots of growing still to be done.

I understand that scrog is typically only done at flowering, and is used to keep the canopy at an even distance from the light and allow all the bud points equal light.

[Coachgee]

Hey Canniwhatsis keep up the good work man.:thumbsup: You know I want to start LST my of lush but I need to get clones off her once I make this move. So when are you going to flower again?

Well keep it up and I will be checking in on you periodically. Good luck bro.

[canniwhatsis]

Hey Canniwhatsis keep up the good work man.:thumbsup: You know I want to start LST my of lush but I need to get clones off her once I make this move. So when are you going to flower again?

Well keep it up and I will be checking in on you periodically. Good luck bro.

Haven't flowered yet! ;)

My method of LST isn't yet approved by the cannabis world,... so if I were you I'd stick to the traditional spaghetti bowl of string tying stems back to the planter,.... ( Tho you will note there is some string and zip tie's used in my grow as well. :S1: )


Anyway, I took some more pics tonight just to update the grow, and I've got some questions :wtf:

I'm growing in Happy frog soil, and made the mistake of putting my CLONE from the dispensary straight into a 3 gallon pot. :o (More reading on this site say's that's not the best way to go :( ) None the less that's where she is, watered with tap water left to set at least 24-48 hours, (No Ph tester :( )

Now to stop beating around the bush! ;)

I've noticed that the new growth has slowed a bit, and the leaves are bright green as they come in,... and don't start getting nice and dark green/purple until they've fully matured? :wtf:

No signs of nute burns, but I seem to be lacking something.... Should I start feeding?,... if so What?.... Or I'm just tripping :hippy:







I"m gonna look over the "plant problems" stuff tomorrow, ( Couldn't log on for the last hour since the sight was refreshing,... and it's now almost 1am! :eek: )


Anyway, here's the pics,... the colors didn't come out as well as I'd hoped in the pics, but it's a bit more drastic difference IRL.:what:



Pic 1: Overveiw
Pic 2: Random foliage on a 2"x3" screen! (that's one potential top every 1.5"!! :jointsmile: )
Pic 3: Branch fan leaf laying over one of the older more mature leaves,... Look at the color difference!,... you can see several other half mature and sprouting leaves,.... is there any problems there?
Pic 4: Here pretty soon I'm gonna have to start weaving the branches! :cool:

[Vancefish]

The young leaves just look like that. It takes a while for them to darken as they start to absorb light and photosynthesize. :thumbsup: I always thought it looked cool, and even my three month old plants still do this.

However (and I hate to say it) But, unless your getting a lot of dust on your plant, you may have spider mites. Because Colorado didn't have a rough winter for them (housing them indoors state wide) I think they are everywhere.

Go to an ACE hardware or Lowes/ Homedepot and buy a HOTSHOTS no pest strip. Put it in with the plant for just a few days and it will kill them.

Otherwise I think your plant looks great. I don't think you should weave it. But it's your learning experience. :D

[Coachgee]

Haven't flowered yet! ;)

My method of LST isn't yet approved by the cannabis world,... so if I were you I'd stick to the traditional spaghetti bowl of string tying stems back to the planter,.... ( Tho you will note there is some string and zip tie's used in my grow as well. :S1: )


Anyway, I took some more pics tonight just to update the grow, and I've got some questions :wtf:

I'm growing in Happy frog soil, and made the mistake of putting my CLONE from the dispensary straight into a 3 gallon pot. :o (More reading on this site say's that's not the best way to go :( ) None the less that's where she is, watered with tap water left to set at least 24-48 hours, (No Ph tester :( )

Now to stop beating around the bush! ;)

I've noticed that the new growth has slowed a bit, and the leaves are bright green as they come in,... and don't start getting nice and dark green/purple until they've fully matured? :wtf:

No signs of nute burns, but I seem to be lacking something.... Should I start feeding?,... if so What?.... Or I'm just tripping :hippy:









I"m gonna look over the "plant problems" stuff tomorrow, ( Couldn't log on for the last hour since the sight was refreshing,... and it's now almost 1am! :eek: )


Anyway, here's the pics,... the colors didn't come out as well as I'd hoped in the pics, but it's a bit more drastic difference IRL.:what:



Pic 1: Overveiw
Pic 2: Random foliage on a 2"x3" screen! (that's one potential top every 1.5"!! :jointsmile: )
Pic 3: Branch fan leaf laying over one of the older more mature leaves,... Look at the color difference!,... you can see several other half mature and sprouting leaves,.... is there any problems there?
Pic 4: Here pretty soon I'm gonna have to start weaving the branches! :cool:Your plants look nice. You might want to go get a ph tester liquid set..Or a aquarium ph tester for run off water. You can give them nutes while there vegging. I bought a starter kit from my local hydro store.(RECIPE FOR SUCCESS). Vancefish is rite your plants look good. And if you think you have mites take care of that ASAP....:thumbsup:


The young leaves just look like that. It takes a while for them to darken as they start to absorb light and photosynthesize. :thumbsup: I always thought it looked cool, and even my three month old plants still do this.

However (and I hate to say it) But, unless your getting a lot of dust on your plant, you may have spider mites. Because Colorado didn't have a rough winter for them (housing them indoors state wide) I think they are everywhere.

Go to an ACE hardware or Lowes/ Homedepot and buy a HOTSHOTS no pest strip. Put it in with the plant for just a few days and it will kill them.

Otherwise I think your plant looks great. I don't think you should weave it. But it's your learning experience. :D

Vance you hit it rite on the knobe...:thumbsup:

Good luck and Happy Growing...:hippy:

[canniwhatsis]

The young leaves just look like that. It takes a while for them to darken as they start to absorb light and photosynthesize. :thumbsup: I always thought it looked cool, and even my three month old plants still do this.

However (and I hate to say it) But, unless your getting a lot of dust on your plant, you may have spider mites. Because Colorado didn't have a rough winter for them (housing them indoors state wide) I think they are everywhere.

Go to an ACE hardware or Lowes/ Homedepot and buy a HOTSHOTS no pest strip. Put it in with the plant for just a few days and it will kill them.

Otherwise I think your plant looks great. I don't think you should weave it. But it's your learning experience. :D

Thanks Vance and Coach,... Probably just the time while waiting for the server to re-boot and drinking too damned much beer got me thinking something might be wrong.:glugglug:

Vance, it's just dust ;) I look her over REALY careful every day, couple times to make sure your dogs didn't transfer any of them little devils onto me, so far we haven't had a mite on a single plant that's been in this house! :thumbsup: I plan on keeping it that way :cool:

I was kinda joking about weaving the branches,... tho as the branches on the branches start to fill in I'm not gonna have a choice! :eek:

Realistically I'm trying to get the main cola's on the branches to hit the sides of the screen, and I'll let the secondary branches do their own thing unless there needs to be some filler, or one starts getting to riley. (probably a good one for cloning anyway)

Before anyone say's it,... I"ll have a crowned plant with lots of vertical growth off the screen towards the middle and not so much towards the outside. (already happening) This is where the 2nd screen comes in, to let the outside of the first screen catch "UP" before flowering.

Time will tell if this is gonna work, I sure hope so, but there's nothing saying plans cant change along the way! ;)


Thanks for the input guy's, I'd throw some rep out there,... but the server wont let me! :(

[420SourD]

even tho my plants got demolished by my puppy ive been following your grow log looks like its comming along nice germing seeds atm hope to have my own going soon :D

[canniwhatsis]

Vance; After talking to you today and getting a better grasp on what I've been somewhat fretting over, (And what you're seeing) I agree, mites are a bitch! :mad: (actually did manage to find one tonight, tho it was in the soil? :confused: )


I checked out the "HOT SHOT" strips,.... ummmm,.... this is a small booth, and even the grow room in construction is small ish 4.5x6.5'

This thing will kill everything in my entire basement for 4 months! :eek:

Problem is that my cats spend most of their time down there, and I don't have OUTSIDE ventilation for my grow room as of yet! :o

So the HotShot is a no go.





I did pick up some Neem oil tho, and have sprayed the entire plant with it, as well as the topsoil.

Tonight was the night she wanted water, so hopefully the Neem will get in to the leaves and drive those little bastards off before long! :mad:

[canniwhatsis]

After looking over the damage on pringles plants and even pulling a leaf to look at under a microscope and see those little bastards, I went out and got a micro scope from radioshack. The white specs I'm seeing on my leaves seem to be cloudy trichomb tops, they're certainly not the kind of damage seen at your work. Anything that I zoomed in on that I thought might be a might turned out to be a speck of soil, or other kind of dust. I combed over the plant looking for anything until the lights turned off!


I'm working on getting the grow room sealed up and cleaned out today, and this weekend. And I've got a HotShot's strip I'll hang up in there anyway when I'm done just to be safe.

Thanks for the help! :thumbsup:

[Coachgee]

After looking over the damage on pringles plants and even pulling a leaf to look at under a microscope and see those little bastards, I went out and got a micro scope from radioshack. The white specs I'm seeing on my leaves seem to be cloudy trichomb tops, they're certainly not the kind of damage seen at your work. Anything that I zoomed in on that I thought might be a might turned out to be a speck of soil, or other kind of dust. I combed over the plant looking for anything until the lights turned off!


I'm working on getting the grow room sealed up and cleaned out today, and this weekend. And I've got a HotShot's strip I'll hang up in there anyway when I'm done just to be safe.

Thanks for the help! :thumbsup:

Good luck Cann I know the filling...My father in law had mites and I tell you those little basterds kicked in overdrive the last week of havest in his Hydro cabinet... Buds were dried out it was horrible.... Back then I was young and all I was doing was trying to kill the little basterds...Good luck bro seal it up tight and fight hard.:thumbsup:

[canniwhatsis]

Thanks Coach! I took today off of work and spent most of it playing with the kids :D

I did get some work done on the grow room tho, combed over the plant again,.... and again,... and again,...... and,... well you get the point. :o


I've got picture's on the camera from doing a bunch of work with her, over the last couple day's (pulled the screen off, then put a new one down. ) Just haven't had time to post them. :o



Need to get back in the basement now that I have a fresh beer and keep working! ;) :thumbsup: :cool:

[raizla]

Awwe mites? That sucks man. Hopefully the neem oil takes care of em. I actually got some neem oil for my girls just in case mites appeared, but I've been lucky so far. Keep us updated on your fight against the evil zerg. Don't fall to the zerg rush!

[canniwhatsis]

Well,...


If it was in my grow room it's dead now!!!!!!!! :D







Unfortunately that almost goes for my beautiful little marijuana plant as well! :mad:



She went from this gorgeous lively bush of green and purple (first pic) to this sad wilted trainwreck (2nd pic) in just a couple hours with that fuckin strip in such a small area! :eek:


I opened the door to the booth and all the windows in the basement to vent that shit out about 1/2 hour before that 2nd pic was taken, and the tops have already started to turn around, so she'll survive..... but FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!:cursing::icon506:

[Vancefish]

Never seen that before. I sealed both my plants (clones plants) in a 2' X 3' X 2.5' box, taped the box seams all closed (sealed tight) and put two of those strips in there over night. They both came out looking fine. (just mite free)

I'd have to guess something else caused the droopies. Maybe it got to hot, or the soil dried out to much.

However, your girl should recover just fine. Give her a day.:thumbsup:

Good news IS,.. You should have NO BUGS!! :D

P.S. She's turned into quite the monster in the last 17 days!! Good job!

[canniwhatsis]

Never seen that before. I sealed both my plants (clones plants) in a 2' X 3' X 2.5' box, taped the box seams all closed (sealed tight) and put two of those strips in there over night. They both came out looking fine. (just mite free)

I'd have to guess something else caused the droopies. Maybe it got to hot, or the soil dried out to much.

However, your girl should recover just fine. Give her a day.:thumbsup:

Good news IS,.. You should have NO BUGS!! :D

P.S. She's turned into quite the monster in the last 17 days!! Good job!


Temps never peaked over 80* in the last 24 hours, over night low was 68.7, humidity hovers between 45%-63%, Watered the day before yesterday, soil is still very moist. Only difference was having the strip in the booth, it's all I can come up with given the bounce back after opening up the booth. :(


All the big fan leaves look pretty much dead :( a couple of them might bounce back, but whatever happened is gonna cost me some foliage for sure.

[Vancefish]

Maybe that strain is more sensitive.:wtf: Sorry to hear it.

However I wouldn't worry to much. It's still plenty alive, and new growth is FAR from slow to come on. In a week you'll barely be able to tell it ever happened.

[canniwhatsis]

shit, things aren't looking good. discoloration and wilting are creeping up the branches into some of the newer growth. :( I ran out and picked up some clearx to help flush the soil, and a rapid rooter, and took a couple cuttings just incase.

The tippy tops of everything is still looking good, so I've got my fingers crossed that mom makes it, and that the clones all take.

[canniwhatsis]

Shit, My GDP that was so beautiful yesterday is just a bunch of sticks now :( Every single fan leaf that was fully formed when I put that pest strip in there is now mostly dead, tho fortunately there is a silver lining.

The new growth at all the nodes is coming in strong and green! I did a heavy pruning and cut off the totally dead leaves/ trimmed the 1/2 dead ones to clear up the light for new growth.


The strip must have F'd up the soil since she was dying off like a systemic problem was happening, thus the soil flush, the clones that were clipped are not wilting at all, fingers crossed that they'll all take off.

pics;

[Vancefish]

All I can say is,.. Hope she improves, and sorry it happened. Not sure why the pest strip would have any effect though. I've done about double what you did and had no ill effects.

However I think you may like seeing this.

mums (http://www.cannabase.com/cl/pages/mums/mums.html)

Once you've seen, and read that. You'll see that your girl is far from doomed. Just give her care and don't try to over compensate.

Your clones should work well too.

I'm baffled.:wtf:

[canniwhatsis]

Pulled mom out of the cabinet, the intensity of the light seemed to be making the chem burn progress faster, lost a couple more leaves. :( Also pretty crowded in the cabinet. I've got her under some normal reflector light bulbs now and the whole room will be 24-0 until the clones have roots and mom has bounced back. (Or should I put mom on the timer for 18/6? Still have 2.5 hours to change my mind) Temps are in the mid 70's for mom, low 80's in the cabinet with the clones, 45% RH for mom obviously under the dome 100%


Poor girl, her leaves looked like someone had taken a rake to them under the microscope. :(


As far as the clones go,..... How long before I know if they are gonna survive? How long before I get roots? (Using Clonex gel) I know it'll take a week or better for the clones to be ready to transplant (if they make it):o

[canniwhatsis]

All I can say is,.. Hope she improves, and sorry it happened. Not sure why the pest strip would have any effect though. I've done about double what you did and had no ill effects.

However I think you may like seeing this.

mums (http://www.cannabase.com/cl/pages/mums/mums.html)

Once you've seen, and read that. You'll see that your girl is far from doomed. Just give her care and don't try to over compensate.

Your clones should work well too.

I'm baffled.:wtf:


Me too! :wtf: I'm sure I did something wrong,... but that's a long f'n list of stuff to go over, so pin pointing it is the hard part,.... nothing that I had done on the list seemed to hurt her at all,.... till I put the strip in there, 7 hours later I had a 90% dead girl :( Probably a combination of all my little screw ups coming together at once.





It's a little after midnight, and I just got out of the room,... Mom is looking a bit better already, I'm seeing good growth (mainly branches) at all the nodes over 65 points of new growth since I almost killed her. :o I'm gonna loose a couple more leaves in the long run, but the remaining ones seem healthy enough to not fret over.

I got an active exhaust vent installed today, 6" computer fan in a 8" duct out the back basement window,... It's not much, but it's WAY more than I currently actually need (hard to get temps to climb with a single 96 watt T5 array!) And I got some seals on the door done up too,... it's not air tight, but helps, and will block light bleed to what will become my dedicated veg room. (4.5x6.5')


As I've already posted Mom is no longer in the little cabinet, but out in the main room under a goofy little 3 light(only 2 work ATM) strip that has 50w incandescent "Reflector" style bulbs in it,... it looks like it belongs in a bathroom right above the mirror, but it's got a plug, and the reflector lights are pretty focused (Hot tho!)so it'll work for now, I'm investing in more T5's soon.....


I got the main room humidity up to 50%, and with running the reflector lights as well as the overhead incandescent I've managed to get the main booth temps up to almost 78* and with the doors slightly cracked on the cabinet the temps in there stay around 82*


I'm trying to stay on the right track, even tho it got derailed, and it'll happen again,... suffice to say it's a learning experience!

I'm pretty sure I'm on the right track again, and I'm off to the races,.... but I just gotta ask the Pro's......

Any advice?

[Coachgee]

Cann im running into issuse now too... Temps stayi at 88-90 humidity drops to 30-40 I have to leave wet towel in there now... Is it because the plants getting bigger. Im frustrated. Plants are doing well burnt a few leafs like you but over all things are good....:thumbsup:

Keep up the good work bro...:hippy:

[canniwhatsis]

I dont have a few burnt leaves,... EVERY leaf is burnt! :eek: I'm struggling to keep her going ATM, she seemed to be doing pretty good today, so I added some reflective material to the inside of the main grow room since it's not very intense lighting,....... sure as shit less than an hour later the burn's are back and advancing,... I shut down some lights and watered the leaves to cool her off.




She smells like Neem oil now too,... she had just started smelling like a pot plant under the weak light.

I used Neem on the soil, could I have overdosed? Would a high level of Neem in the plants system lead to this kind of photo sensitivity? Would the effect of an overdose take a full day and a half to kick in then kill the plant in 7 hours?

Shouldn't the flushing have helped? (I guess it did, the plants not dead yet,.... yet) Should I flush the soil again? I ran almost a gallon thru her the first time,.... perhaps I should do it again, this time with 2+ gallons. :wtf:

P.S. the clones seem to be doing well,... (not that I can actually say that since I don't know what I'm doing), but the new growth that was at the top of them has bent towards the lights and is spreading with no signs of burn just yet.

Please help.

[canniwhatsis]

Please help.

http://boards.cannabis.com/plant-problems/185005-photo-sensitive-burn.html

[canniwhatsis]

A buddy gave me a 150 MH light he wasn't using for his old coral tank, it's not much, but beats the F' outa what I had,... I hope she doesn't start burning again. I've turned the exhaust fan on to help disperse heat and see how things run with the way they are now.

Now for Rusty to come in and jump me again. ;)

Did a drop test on my tap water and it's 8.5+!!! :eek: I'm really surprised I haven't shown any problems before this little brain fart,.... the soil is still soaked from the flushing, bit worried about that now too. :(


I need to stop worrying, she's a weed, and I'm just vegging right now, I can have some little trip ups and it shouldn't matter much,.... gotta learn to walk before you can run!

[canniwhatsis]

She's liking the new light,... I need to hang it in a better place in my room.... and clean up the wires/ other clutter going on ATM.


new growth is a bit slow to come in, but I guess that's not a real surprise considering the shock I'm sure she's in. The clones have all started to stretch a little bit, and under the dome reeks of cannabis! :D I'm gonna take that as a good thing.



Question about cloning, how long should I go before starting to vent the humidity dome and harden the baby's? Or is this more a play by ear thing? :confused:


P.S. Vance, My wife say's she'd LOVE a Durban Poison clone if you don't mind rooting a cutting for us to pick up in the near future ;) :thumbsup:

[Vancefish]

P.S. Vance, My wife say's she'd LOVE a Durban Poison clone if you don't mind rooting a cutting for us to pick up in the near future ;) :thumbsup:

Not a problem DUDE!! :D I'll cut one this weekend if the one in now doesn't take (I think it will, just slower then the ones I already potted)

Wanna trade?? I wouldn't mind having a Grandaddy purp clone. :thumbsup:

[canniwhatsis]

Sweet, thanks Vance :thumbsup:

I've got plans for the 3 girls that are rooting right now,(If they all make it,) including one of them going out on the back porch in a whisky barrel planter, but Mom is recovering nicely and there's more than one good branch to chose from. :D Let me give her a couple weeks of recovery and I'll get one going for ya!


E-mail me your Phone # so we can hook up on the weekend, Technically I shouldn't be in the back room or even talk about it while I'm in uniform,... Just HOLDING that 33g jar while on duty is actually grounds for termination! :eek:

What the boss doesn't know doesn't hurt me! ;) :D

[canniwhatsis]

Mom is much happier than a week ago, and the babies went into dirt last night.:hippy:



#1 an over view of the larger area, I know I need more lights, finances will dictate how fast that happens, and the T5's will be coming out of the cabinet once the baby's have hardened up some.
#2 "Purple"
#3 The babies in the Rapid Rooter plugs
#4 (from Left to Right) Gia, Dianna, and Persephone in their new homes.

[canniwhatsis]

I moved the cabinet out of the room last night,... What a chore! :eek:

It was too tall to move straight out,... but also to wide to tip over top first and get it angled out that way,.... wound up having to tip it IN and work it down the wall in order to get it out of the door way bottom first!


Any way, with the cabinet out I put my 2nd set of shelves in, and hung some reflective on that end of the booth (recycled out of the cabinet) and moved the MH light and Mom into the nearest corner.



All is pretty much happy save for one thing, Humidity. :( I"m running the Humidifier Full Blast 24-7 and cant break 40% now that I have the shelves in there! :confused: (at least with the lights and exhaust fan on, Humidity spikes to nearly 70% overnight with exhaust fan and lights off.)


Sorry,... No pics tonight,... need batteries for the camera! :o

[canniwhatsis]

Wow, what a difference 2 weeks makes!:hippy:


Mom is looking really good again, and the clones are taking off:thumbsup:








I've come to the decision to thread jack my own thread, and instead of tracking the progress of "Purple" which will now be bonsaied to keep her small. I will track the progress of 2 of the clones, Gia and Persephone.














Gia; I wanted to take daily pics to track her, but that didn't Happen, So it'll be every couple days between updated pics,....

Suffice to say, I'm gonna keep on track that I was planning for Purple,(mom) and am actually gonna be cutting a screen for her tonight and starting LST in the same manner that I've been working mom.

Only real difference is the veg time,... I'm thinking of only veging for 28-35 day's before flowering under 400w HPS in the cabinet that I just moved out of the veg room. (Temporary fix till I get the 4x6 flower room built) It should work for flowering smaller (1-2 month) veg plants.













Persephone; This clone is the runt of the litter, and spent better than the last week just sitting under the T5's.... Not growing,.... not wilting and dying...... Just there. :wtf:

She's growing now, and growing quickly like her sisters are, and The last few day's I've started hardening her to Outdoor conditions, she's been outside for the early morning and late afternoon direct sunlight and inside during the midday high temps and overnight lows.

I had her outside all day today and barring extreme weather this is the daytime plan for the next week or two until she's root bound in the 3.5" starter pot she's in, then she's going outside permanently.

I've got a "Whiskey barrel" planter that's filled with commercial "Topsoil" (5 cubic feet) and I have about a 3 gallon plug in the middle of it that is Happy frog cut 1/3 with pearlite because the soil here SUX!:jointsmile:


I'm planning on building a removable structure to put over the plant in the event of a hail storm or other damaging weather..... but it's just an idea that'll probably never see fruition unless the wife pushes me for it.


Pic 1: "Purple" AKA "Mom"
Pic 2: A pulled out shot on the 1/2 barrel planter that Persephone is going into.
Pic 3: A close up of her in her rooter pot outside where she's gonna live, the wife didn't waste time letting the kids (and herself) decorate the planter! :hippy:
Pic 4: Persephone under the lights inside, so you can see what I mean by "Runt of the litter"
Pic 5: Gia

P.S. The last two pics were taken with the 3.5" pots sitting on top of the screen that I'm using to train Purple with!:rastasmoke: I kinda thought it'd look cool to see the clones in the foliage of their mother.:cool::jointsmile:

[canniwhatsis]

Couple from this morning.

[canniwhatsis]

Vance, I took 5 more cuttings on Sunday, so far so good with them so I'll have you one in the next week or so ;) Hows a Durban poison looking?

I've got an El'cheapo 400w HPS on it's way to flower Gia in the little cabinet in another couple weeks,... Looking to flower 28-35 day's of veg, need to start working on the new ventilation system for the cabinet.

Couple more pics.:cool:

[canniwhatsis]

I've been slacking on my picture taking and posting,.... Ohh well.

Here's some pics and an update;


Pic 1: Most recent picture of Persephone, The recent High temps had me a bit worried about her pot/soil getting to hot, so I dropped the pot into the soil. I went back out a couple day's later and there were roots sticking out the bottom, so she's been plugged outside permanently.

I spotted my first sign of mites,.... just a little stipeling (Sp?) on one leaf, so I flipped it over and sure enough there was an immature spider mite on the bottom of the leaf, squished that little bastard where it stood and combed over the plant for more, I found some eggs, (Squished them too), but no other mites,... so a light neem oil bath for her and a shower before going back into my indoor room for me.


Pic 2: The Clones,.... I have no intention of keeping these, just took them to get some more experience with doing it,.... One of them didn't make it but I expected that since it was a branch on the clone anyway and was WAY too small to really even try.


Pic 3: Gia. I ditched the screen because it was just to big of spaces between the grid to keep her tied down,.... specially under the new HID

So just back to basic LST for the next 2 weeks then I'll do a SCROG in flowering.


Pic 4: This will be my dedicated VEG area for a while,.... Ignore the red, I was just burning in the HPS bulb for a couple minuets. It will be getting lit with the El'Cheapo 400w (Switchable) light that I picked up running a 6500k MH. After getting that thing light up to see how much heat it'll make I just couldn't take it away from the girls,.... So I picked up another hood for flowering.

Not shown in that picture is what I did with the clones, they are actually under the table the Vegging plants are on, the T5's are right on top of them and it's all sealed up at night to block out the 24-0 light in there. :D



Pic 5: My ambitions far outstretch my budget and time is not really on my side so I'm cutting my 4.5x6.5 room up and will use an area 4.5'x 33" as flowering. The second hood I picked up is a SunSystems unit,.... not quite as cheap as the first one, but it'll run the HPS bulb that came with the first one, and should provide plenty of light for that space..... This area of the room is still under construction,.... as if you couldn't tell.

[canniwhatsis]

My indoor plants went under the 12/12 lights today! :D And for the last 2 day's my outdoor plant has been getting it's ass kicked by the weather :mad: At least the outdoor plant is small enough to cover easily against the 3/4" hail we had on thursday! :eek:

[canniwhatsis]

Pics from last night. :jointsmile:

[canniwhatsis]

I'm running my flowering light from about 7:20pm to 7:20am and Veg light from 5:30am till 11:30pm, temps in my veg room hold pretty steady, a little on the high side peaking out at around 88-89* while both lights are running, 82-84* while one or the other is off.

The flowering room is a bit of a different story, temps are around 86* with both lights running 80* with just the HPS running (Veg room night time) and 73* with the HPS off (during Veg room day time.) The fresh air intake is in the flowering room, and exhausts into the veg room then out a duct to the back yard.

This is a grow log tho, not a room setup thread, so on to the leafy green porn :cool:


Pic 1: Persephone, we used a bucket to cover her during the hail and torrential rain storms over the last 2 days,... its still overcast and drizzly, temps have been in the 50's-60's. Gotta love Colorado weather.

Pic 2: Gia, she got topped last night, and the branch growth has EXPLODED!! :eek:

Pic 3: Diana, figured WTF I'll take pics of her too. Going all natural on her.


:hippy:

[Vancefish]

They look rough (the DP and G). :D

Like I told you, I SCRog'd my two plants. After giving them 12/12 for two days a few months ago. I ended up with a LOT of ex-flowering growth. Then the stretch of other branches blocked light to that growth. Leaving me with a TON of dying, ex-flowering, stuff inside the plant.

After a repot roughly a week or so ago. I built a screen cage for each plant. THIS week I trimmed out ALL the dying undergrowth and pulled the tips out through the screen. After four days of veg time, I went through and trimmed out ALL mite damaged leaves (including the eggs they'd left on them).

In a few more days I'll be able to trim out some clones (and expose the remainder to better light) and start my flowering.:thumbsup:

Here's a pic

[canniwhatsis]

Vance; How'd you get them to grow on the wall like that?:wtf:



Pic 1: my Mom,.... It's been a month since she looked like your girls do,... I"m sure they'll pull thru, but I'm a bit bewildered where your gonna cut clones from in a week or so.:wtf:



Pic 2: My 2 flowering girls, Gia stacked on about 1/2" of branch growth today while Diana packed on about 3/4" of vertical and 1/4" of branching on a couple branches.


Pic 3: My favorite! :thumbsup: Diana showed me her girl parts today :thumbsup::hippy:

[Vancefish]

Yea yea, the wall, haha. :D

The difference with recovery between yours, and mine is. Yours got Neem damage, causing internal damage. Thus yours needed a bit of extra time to flush itself out. Mine however has no damage internally, or with any root system issues. So, like your topped plant. Mine should put all the energy it WAS putting into everything I cut off into nothing but the tops I left (and a few new shoots the plant is SURE to create).

It's been three days since I took that pic. So, here's a pic of them this morning. The DP (Farther) was trimmed out a day earlier then the G (closer). After each tip puts out 2-3 nodes. A large amount of that growth will block the light for other close by growth. THOSE will be cut out to clone, and to open up the other growth to better light.

My actual estimate on cutting clones is this weekend. I'll start flowering a few days after that.:thumbsup:

[canniwhatsis]

Lol,... very true,... I also forgot that you said your currently in 10 gallon pots! :eek: So I'm sure there's actually quite a bit of green there! :thumbsup:

I"m going to have my wife pick up a bag of Ocean Forest tomorrow and my mother plant will be getting upped to a 5 gallon, and the 2 vegging clones will get upped to 1L pots because they're the biggest I've got ATM and one of them is starting to show signs of root bound stress. I really need to get rid of these plants, but can't bring myself to pull them and burn em, :( Vance,... How's the one Pringle has doing? is it dead yet? I'm starting to lean towards the no pest strip killing the plant again after seeing that little girl on monday! :eek:




I figure I've got another week-week and a half before my flowering plants need bigger pots,... they'll be going into 3 gallon pots from the 2.5L pots they're in now, that should be enough to finish them I hope.


Pics in the morning if I'm lucky.:jointsmile:

[canniwhatsis]

Pics:jointsmile:

Pic 1: Both the girls

Pic 2: Diana's girl parts,... still just "pre flowering"

Pic 3: Gia's girl parts,... much tighter! ;)


Next update in a day or so! ;)

[bigsby]

No need for such big pots for a mother plant. You can keep the plants small such that a 1 or 2 gallon pot is sufficient. Check out this tutorial on Bonsai moms. (http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=31919) It's a good read.

[Vancefish]

No need for such big pots for a mother plant. You can keep the plants small such that a 1 or 2 gallon pot is sufficient. Check out this tutorial on Bonsai moms. (http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=31919) It's a good read.

When he talks about my plants in 10 gallon pots, he's talking about my two five months of VEG plants. They were completely root bound in 5 gallon pots a couple weeks ago, and all I could find were ten gallon :thumbsup:.

However, if your talking about his mother plant. He started that plant in a huge pot, THEN decided it was his mother. ;) I gave him the mum link about two months ago, which gave him the idea (I think).

[bigsby]

Root bound in a five gallon pot... five months of veg... wow you must be growing a tree! Sorry for the confusion. That bonsai tutorial put me on the right track. So easy.

[canniwhatsis]

No need for such big pots for a mother plant. You can keep the plants small such that a 1 or 2 gallon pot is sufficient. Check out this tutorial on Bonsai moms. (http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=31919) It's a good read.

Yeah, Vance shot that out there about a month ago.:jointsmile:

My Mom isn't quite the right shape but could produce an interesting bonsai after a while,.... I'm really wanting to keep a cutting off of her and do it right, so I'm going to up-pot her to keep her happy, and probably just keep her trimmed back for a few months, then when I have my dedicated flowering room built and light, toss her in 10 gallons and see a single plant SOG.

Right now if I cut her for every clone she's worth I'd get about 25, and still have enough foliage left on her for her to re-veg.


Everything else is progressing nicely.

Dianna has stretched enough that I had to move the light up some,... so now I have to find something else to put under Gia to get her closer to the light, and I need to start training Gia's branches since a couple of them are pushing 4" long now. :cool:

Pistles are popping out everywhere, tho they're all still really small pre-flowers.

[povich]

i tried to post a new thread w pics on this site. But when i did i got an error saying i didnt have the authoirty to post a new threat. some admin thing...how do i post?

[bigsby]

Yeah, Vance shot that out there about a month ago.:jointsmile:

My Mom isn't quite the right shape but could produce an interesting bonsai after a while,.... I'm really wanting to keep a cutting off of her and do it right, so I'm going to up-pot her to keep her happy

Just trying to help. No time to read through all of your love letters ;)

You have other options. You could just prune the roots by 6" all around and and then again in 2 months time to get her down to size. Alternatively, you could take a few clones and grow them out to get a new mom and then send the original into flower.

[canniwhatsis]

Thanks Bigs, Mom's canopy is about 2x2' and supports about 30 viable clones. I'd have to trim the crap out of that too,.... Not quite sure what I'm gonna do after seeing some suspect growth on Gia thursday night.:wtf:


Pics from Day 7 of flowering.
Pic 1: mom
Pic 2: Forming flowers at the top of Diana
Pic 3: Gia
Pic 4: my flowering cabinet
Pic 5: suspect growth cut off of Gia,... am I trippin or do those look like sacks?
This was on a lower branch, and there were no signs of pistles any where on that branch, there's another branch that has 2 preflowers that look the same, but there's pistles in the main growth bud at the top of it, so I'm going to let those develop a bit more and be certain before I trim anything else out.

The rest of the plant is covered in pistles like Diana's top is, no signs of any sack like formation.

[jagerbombs101]

Have you ever seen the video 'Mr. Greens I Grow Chronic' ? He Harvests 4 oz every 2 months, with a 400w hps, co2, in a ebb and flow grow system.

it is on piratebay.org.

hope this helps!

you can catch him on youtube as well! He has a very nice lil setup

[canniwhatsis]

As far as the suspect growth is concerned, I trimmed off all the suspect sacks with an exacto, and both of the girls are on herm watch! :wtf::detective1:
Fortunately neither one is showing any tranny signs above the lowest branches, and even mom has been showing pre-flowers with all pistles sticking out of them recently.
So I suspect the sacks on the lower branches of this set of clones is due to the extreme stress the plant was under at the time I took the cuttings.
Time will tell, Wish me luck. :jointsmile:



I kicked my Mother plants ass tonight!:D

Only took 16 clones,... (kinda ran out of patience to do more :o ) Might have to just prune the remaining tops out in order to maintain my "bonsai" :cool: I just hate wasting what could be a viable plant. :(:hippy:

I've replaced the El'Cheapo 400w HPS with a PlantMax bulb and must say I like the spectrum MUCH more than the first one, I cant wait to see how the plants respond.


Pic 1: Mom trimmed down
Pic 2: The cuttings, Vance, you said you wanted 3-4? :rastasmoke:
Pic 3: Gia
Pic 4: Diana

[Vancefish]

Four would be great. However three is all I'll grow out. I could give the fourth to Cathy and Gerry.:thumbsup:

I'd planned to take and post a pic of my SCRog plants Saturday. However the new growth was so densely packed, I re-wove the whole thing to both fill in the screen, AND give better light to ALL.:D All the tips turned to the light yesterday. I can see a TON more new leaves as well. This morning was watering time, So tonight will be Photo day.:hippy:

[canniwhatsis]

3 day's later and I'd say things look good. Found a couple more sacks on the lowest branches of both plants and trimmed them out, I hope it's stress and not genetic because the tops are growing so dense I'd never see a sack till it's too late.


Pics! :jointsmile:


Pic 1: Diana
Pic 2: Gia
Pic 3: Mom, AKA Purple
Pic 4: the new cuttings, none are dying yet, I hope thats good. :hippy:

[canniwhatsis]

I've been slacking on progress reports on my outdoor girl,... mainly since she's still in veg as the solstice was just a couple day's ago and equinox isn't for another couple months, but suffice to say she's been growing like a weed!


I'll try and take a pic in the morning. ;)

[canniwhatsis]

<--------SLACKER!!!!! :stoned:



As promised I did take a pic of my outdoor plant,.... that was 3 day's ago! :o She's looking good, and is making pre-flowers, so far all girl ones :detective1: I figure she's got another month to month and a half before the shortening day's start to kick her into flower, so by the time she's done I'm guessing she'll just be hitting the top of the fence line.



I'm kinda thinking I dwarfed my current 2 indoor plants tho,:wtf: The only real new growth seems to be flowers, (no leaves poking out, no stretch) and the buds are tiny, about the tip of my pinky finger, and there's the beginnings of trich poppage on the few new growth leaves there are.


Temps were a bit (LOT) on the high side for the first week under the HPS, 90+ and spiked over 100 once, I think I had it too close.

I rebuilt the flower room with top to bottom Panda, added a portable swamp cooler to the intake, (on the timer with the light so it only runs during the "Day" (actually over night)) and an 8" in-line fan exhausting to the veg room, (this is on 24-0) This brought my Flowering temps in line, typically running 77-79* with the light on, 73-75 lights off, It's sometimes a bit high when I go in the room and have the light barrier open for very long, but 83.8 was the high spike last night, 73.1 was the low, and so far tonights temps haven't broken 80* Humidity hovers in the high 30's to low 40% for both rooms.:jointsmile:


My Veg room is running a bit hot ATM since I"m running the T-5's 24-0 over the clones under the table, but it's still an acceptable 83-85* with the light on, I did a ghetto air cooled rig on the El'Cheapo reflector, I've got my exhaust tube plumbed to the base of the bulb and a 6" computer fan screwed to the reflector on the other end blowing right over the bulb and into the exhaust! :D It actually dropped the light's on temp to 85 from almost 90!:thumbsup:



Here's some pics already.:cool:

[canniwhatsis]

Well,... I upped my exhaust tube size to 8" and reduced the bends, it's moving MUCH more air now,... tomorrow will tell what it did to the temps. :stoned:



No new pics, I'll try and take some in the morning and post them in the evening,.... stupid job anyway!:mad:



I'm keeping an eye on the local laws since they're trying to change them, and many changed today! :eek: ... I might not be able to complete this log if things change the way they are trying. :mad:


I'd hate to cut my crop with all I've invested into the rooms and lights,... but hell I've got perfect conditions to grow indoor crops of tomato's, lettuce, carrots, peppers, and spices!!!! :D


Anyone know what it takes to make a fruit tree produce indoors? (Peach, Cherry, and Apple) :detective1:

[Vancefish]

None of the laws effect you. Only real change(HB10-1284) is in the dispensary areas. Plus you can't sell extras TO a dispensary. SB109 changed what we have to do to get the card in the first place, but not until your next renewal.

What do you need to fruit trees in your house??

You need Bees to pollinate them is about it. High ceilings don't hurt either! :D Plus you need to investigate what PH, nutes and other stuff each plant would need. :thumbsup: My grandmother grew lemons, peaches AND Plums in her living room over the years. She even bonsai'd a lemon tree. It looked funny when the lemon it grew was bigger then the tree itself!

[canniwhatsis]

What do you need to fruit trees in your house??

You need Bees to pollinate them is about it.

I thought that's why god invented Q-tips? ;)



As far as the laws are concerned, I'm mainly watching the local city level laws, My city has a ban on dispensary's, but no mention in any of the laws of banning a MMJ patients right to grow their own meds. So long as that's the case and I'm still within my rights I'll continue to work on these beautiful little gifts of nature! :hippy:


Ohhh Yeah, you NEED to call me THIS weekend ;)

[Vancefish]

I dug out your number. However it's 7:45am now. So, I'll wait until your more likely awake! :thumbsup:

[canniwhatsis]

Heh,.... actually I was awake then ;) Took some pics, then went back to bed. The wife just left with the camera tho, so I'll have to post the pics later. :cool:

[canniwhatsis]

Pics of day 21! :jointsmile: (of course it's actually day 23 now! :o )

1: Gia
2: Diana
3: pushed in a bit on Diana to show frosting already


Number 4!!!! Grow your patriotism!!!!!! :thumbsup::jointsmile::hippy::jointsmile::thumbsup :

[canniwhatsis]

I went in tonight to check on my flowering girls and a HUGE red flag went up.


Pistles were dying back on Gia!!!!!!!!!! :eek: :wtf:


I took a close look at her underside,... and sure as hell I missed a sack and that little fucker was wide open and dangling it's junk out there for the world to suck up! :mad:


I'm not gonna put up with heavily seeded meds for my wife, so Gia got cut down tonight, the harvest is WAY early and most of the trichs are just starting to turn cloudy from clear, and there obviously wasn't a chance to flush nutes out :(

It'll be junk smoke for sure, but she wanted me to manicure it and dry it out anyway so it's in a drying box now.




Diana has a few pistles that are brown, but they're mainly in the lower buds, and are few and far between,... I'll keep an eye on her. If she's not heavily pollinated I'll let her mature and keep the seeds for future grows.

Here's a few picks of my epic failure,... need to get back in the basement and comb over Diana.:detective1:


Pic 1: The Evil sack! :mad:

Pic 2: Gia after trimming all the fan leaves,... I've since cut the branches off the main stem, but no pics of that or the impromptu drying box..... Yes that is a AA battery for size comparison,.... not a very good yeild :(

[neceros]

Ew. Hermie.

[canniwhatsis]

Ew. Hermie.



What bugs me is it only happened on the lowest branches of both plants that are in flower,..... maybe it was the stress that they were under when I cut them from mom, All I can say is FUCK!!!!! :mad:

The top of the branch the male sack was on was ALL girl and looking great!!!!! (3rd branch up from the bottom in the 2nd pic)



Both my 2 Vegging clones are showing 100% female pre-flowers, just like mom is.... so hopefully when they go under 12/12 for round 2 this won't be a problem.:hippy:

[canniwhatsis]

Diana is so far looking like she's only got a couple pollenated flowers, and mostly down low, I haven't found any browning pistles on the top of the plant.

I think I'll be able to let her run her course.




Pic 1: The whole plant,... I gave up trying to take pic's under the HPS so this is actually on the MH side and the background is the light barrier to the 12/12 HPS side. (P.S. the pic was taken during "Daytime" for the HPS side, just moved the plant under more camera friendly light for a couple minuets. ;) )
Pic 2: Diana's top
Pic 3: one of the middle buds showing nice frosting.
Pic 4: one of the lowest buds, there seems to be a lot of pistle die back here and I suspect this bud will be heavy on the seeds when it matures.

[canniwhatsis]

The wife decided that we will let the seeded buds mature and she'll either pick them out of the finished product or we will have to catch them IF they fall before harvest.


No new pics tonight since I've quarantined the grow room due to a mite outbreak on the houseplants in the front window! :eek: (one floor above the grow room, and separated by about a 100 foot walk thru the house and down the stairs....... Im cutting the carpet (leaving bare wood(stairs) then concrete) and spraying the walkway with Neem tonight)



My Outdoor plant is still mite free,... which is kinda surprising/amusing given her environment.

Should still have about a month or so before that one kicks into flower..... I HOPE she finishes up before the first freeze,.... it'll be close by the weather models.

[neceros]

I'm just not a fan of outdoor grows. Seems to limited. Hope it goes well for you.

[canniwhatsis]

I'm just not a fan of outdoor grows. Seems to limited. Hope it goes well for you.

Thanks for stopping by, and I really hope so too!:hippy: but it all depends on what part of the world your in, check this thread out....

http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/181585-just-another-crappy-day-paradise-maui-grow-log.html




This is my first grow, (since I was a teenager, but this one is LEGAL! :D :thumbsup: ) and as such is a complete experiment for me.


All I can say about my outdoor plant vs my indoor plants, is WOW the outside plant has MUCH bigger leaves, (tho node spacing is slightly farther apart)

She's quite a bit more stinky too even tho she's still veging, ( showing lots of pre-flowers/pistles but not budding)

And aside from inspection for mites and an occasional feeding has been completely maintenance free. (haven't watered thanks to natural watering via rain, and overspray from my lawn's sprinkler system)


Outdoors has it's issues for sure,... but nature has a greater plan for it's creations,.... and man has a HELLUVA time recreating that in what would otherwise be complete darkness! ;)

[canniwhatsis]

Hmmmmm,... for my latitude at summer solstice I should only be getting 14.8 hours of daylight,... as of today 14.5 hours,... No flowers on my outdoor plant, but pre-flowers with pistles all over the place,... ohh and the pre-flowers are about 2x the size of the preflowers on my indoor plants as well! :wtf:


I'll try and take some detailed pics of the outdoor plant tomorrow.

[canniwhatsis]

Pics of the indoor vs outdoor grows, both plants were cut from the same mother, the outdoor has been veging for a couple months, while the indoor just over one month, but the indoor is typical of the growth under the lights.

Outdoor was planted in 3 gallons of happy frog and the rest of the pot is generic "Topsoil", has never received more than 15 hours of light a day, and gets watered city tap from the lawns sprinkler system (Over spray, not directly, with a ph of around 8 ) and rainwater when a storm rolls thru, I'll dump excess nute water on her when I feed the indoor plants, but it's still pretty close to the Feed water water schedule.

Indoor plants are potted in Ocean forrest, getting 18/6 light schedule, and Ph'ed water with a feeding every 3rd watering


Pic 1: Outdoor fan leaf, just shy of 6" across
Pic 2: Outdoor pre-flower right around 3mm
Pic 3: Indoor Fan leaf about 2.5" across (the thermometer in the background is on "Clock" display, the temps are NOT over 100*!! ;) )
Pic 4: Indoor pre-flower 1mm


I"m not complaining, and don't really think there's any problem inside, just interesting comparison. I'm open to suggestions on improvements inside tho.:cool:

[Vancefish]

Step away from the plants, and GO TO WORK!! :lol5:

How are those cuttings??

[canniwhatsis]

Step away from the plants, and GO TO WORK!! :lol5:

How are those cuttings??

One of the nice things about my job is I'm actually allowed VACATION!!!:D:D:D:rastasmoke:;)


Step away from the plants!? :eek: Really? But the wife's houseplants have mites,.... that I need to squish/neem/generally abuse:chainsaw:


The cuttings: One of them rooted in about 6 day's, the other two didn't show signs of roots till today :wtf: :thumbsup: I'll keep them till I can see which one will best suit as a bonsai mom, then kill the other 2. :(

Yours?:hippy:

[canniwhatsis]

Ahhhhhh,..... vacation,....:jointsmile:

I got bored checking in on Diana with her being the only plant under the HPS,... and my garden veggies are growing well, so I've decided to clear up some space in my veg room.

First the larger of the two tomato plants got moved to the family room, which helped, but isn't gonna make room for 5 kinds of pepper!


The call was made to put Mom AKA Purple, into flower! :hippy:


After some pruning of twiggy growth and heavy undergrowth I've now got her SCROGED in the flowering booth under the 400w Plantmax HPS. It took about half an hour to train her branches and work the screen down to where I could staple it to the walls. Then I did a bit more pruning to assure good light penetration in a couple areas.

This should be fun to watch :rastasmoke: It'll either be a complete flop or utter success!

Pic 1: Purple trained under a 21x24" screen, Diana's top is in the foreground. I tried to get some pics of her under the HPS,... but failed AGAIN! :( I'll try and get some of her tomorrow under the MH since my camera is more forgiving in that light.
The square shape behind the pandaliner is the downpipe for my exhaust vent

[tikiroom]

I'm definitely interested in what the yield will be
How long has your mother been in veg stage for?

[canniwhatsis]

A bit better than 2.5 months,... got her as a clone from the local dispensary on 4-14,... nearly killed her on the journey to get to this point, but have taken over 30 clones from her, (all either sold while I could do so legally, or since the laws changed on 7-1,.... destroyed :( ) and could have taken 40-50+ viable clones off of her before I started pruning tonight. :(


I'm just guessing here, but I think I'll have about 15-20 "Tops" leftover in this mess,... and just by looking at the sea of branches that have nodes in full exposure to the HPS I should yield a LOT of popcorn buds! :rastasmoke:


Fingers crossed that this will look like a carpet of buds with a few bigguns in it! :jointsmile:

[canniwhatsis]

New pics :jointsmile:


Pic 1: Diana;..... I've decided to harvest this one,... it's still a bit early,... but I just need the room in the flowering area..... so wednesday night she gets cut.:( :rastasmoke:
Pic 2: Diana, and her replacement,... "Prim" who's been in Veg for as long as Diana's been in bloom! :eek:


This should be fun to watch!
Pic 3: MOM AKA Purple SCROG'd out! :rasta: I'll need to thin her but technically tracking this one thru blossom is finishing off my "First" grow, inspite of the harvest of two clones taken off of her! :D ;) :hippy: :rastasmoke:

[bigsby]

I'm just guessing here, but I think I'll have about 15-20 &quot;Tops&quot; leftover in this mess,... and just by looking at the sea of branches that have nodes in full exposure to the HPS I should yield a LOT of popcorn buds!

They won't be popcorn buds for long!

[canniwhatsis]

They won't be popcorn buds for long!

Gods I hope not!!!!! :rastasmoke: :stoned:








Diana came down tonight at only 6.5 weeks in order to make room in the flowering room for Prim, who's currently under darkness. (I'll track her progress,... and will post a new thread when it's ready to post ;) )

Harvest was a bit early, but as far as I can tell 100% cloudy, and pistles were dying back so down she comes!:jointsmile:

I didn't expect a high yield on my first grow, and sure didn't get it off of Gia! :mad:

Diana could have been better if I could have waited, but 31g wet is a good deal better than I was expecting!:D

We are gonna do a quick dry/cure, I'm sure the smoke will be a bit harsh, but it already smells so much better than the buds off of Gia! :rastasmoke:



Pic 1: All of Diana,
Pic 2: Just Diana's top
Pic 3: One of the lower buds showing nice frosting :jointsmile:
Pic 4: All trimmed up against the wife's forearm
Pic 5: Trimmed harvest, standard Bic in there for sizing.... 31g wet :smokin:

[canniwhatsis]

Of course, our guard cat didn't think that harvest and manicuring was all that interesting,... so I just HAD to wake him up! :D :rasta:

[canniwhatsis]

After just a day of drying the buds have lost a LOT of weight, and the harvest isn't near as impressive,.... Should still smoke the wife out for a while, but it's not what I wanted.


Overall My first shot at this has been a real eye opener, and a great learning experience! :thumbsup: :D



I'll post up some more in this log just to finish out the Outdoor grow, but I'm not gonna track the indoor stuff from here out. :rolleyes: (Too F'n much work takin pics and posting, specially considering my work hours, and the fact that the site is down from 11pm-11:45/12a locally. :mad: )

[G13budsmoker]

Overall My first shot at this has been a real eye opener, and a great learning experience!

as long as you look at it this way, its always a success. it took me a couple grows before i was happy enough with the results, and im still improving my yeild.


Should still smoke the wife out for a while, but it's not what I wanted.


and im sure she is greatfull for it:jointsmile:, even if its not as much or what you wanted.


btw want a smoke report:jointsmile:

[G13budsmoker]

Of course, our guard cat didn't think that harvest and manicuring was all that interesting,... so I just HAD to wake him up! :D :rasta:

^ha ha ha..."my cat ate my stash man", "i had it on the table, and the lil mother fucker ate it"......this is the first thing that came to mind sorry, so this is WHY chong's dog ate his stash:stoned:

[canniwhatsis]

as long as you look at it this way, its always a success. it took me a couple grows before i was happy enough with the results, and im still improving my yeild.



and im sure she is greatfull for it:jointsmile:, even if its not as much or what you wanted.


btw want a smoke report:jointsmile:



Thanks man! I try and look at everything in life as a lesson learned,.... So I'll make adjustments based on what I've learned this time round. :rastasmoke:


The wife is plenty happy,... and in fact still smoking the 4 week harvest! :eek: :cool: ( tho she has tried a nug off of the 6.5 week harvest and say's it's MUCH better ) IMHO it doesn't seem to burn quite right with the quick dry/cure method my wife wants to use/ has used on the last 2 early harvests.......:mad::wtf: Next time I guess:thumbsup::hippy::pimp:

[canniwhatsis]

No smoke report to speak of,.... the wife isn't very critical of her meds, but knows the good shiznit when she gets it. This seems to help real well with her back pain and spasms. Tho IMO it kinda couch locks her (true of most strains that help with her pain)

I tried a puff, (Work would have my ass if I had randoms :eek: ) Citrusy and Harsh,

Having not puffed in almost a decade I can't say how it would effect my wife,... or any other smoker. But, for me anyway, the first 45 minuets or so I HAD to be doing something! brain was whirling a million miles an hour,.... then permagrin set in with the cotton mouth and for the next hour or so all I wanted to do was surf the net/ watch TV and munch on something..... Mostly it reminded me of when I was smoking in Highschool, and the "Top Shelf" strain of the day was "Skunk" or "Creeper" :stoned:




Anyway, I digress. :o

I figure I'll keep up with the posting here since the outdoor plant isn't kicking to flower yet, so nothing exciting going on there, tho I may have to take up some topping and LST to keep her below the fence line.


Here's tonights pic of my former mother plant at Day 10 flowering. See Yall in a week! ;)

[G13budsmoker]

the wife isn't very critical of her meds, but knows the good shiznit when she gets it.

LMAO:jointsmile:



I tried a puff, Citrusy and Harsh

how long did they hang to dry, and how long did they cure? cannabis is like wine, it gets better with age. i smoked some of my stuff after 5 days of hanging and a week of curing and it was still pretty harsh. i cured a couple weeks and isnt so harsh now. just remember to try and make the process as slow as you can. slower, properly cured cannabis will have the greatest flavor and burn smooth.


Having not puffed in almost a decade I can't say how it would effect my wife,... or any other smoker. But, for me anyway, the first 45 minuets or so I HAD to be doing something! brain was whirling a million miles an hour,.... then permagrin set in with the cotton mouth and for the next hour or so all I wanted to do was surf the net/ watch TV and munch on something..... Mostly it reminded me of when I was smoking in Highschool, and the "Top Shelf" strain of the day was "Skunk" or "Creeper"


my G13 is like that too, million miles per hour at first, then cotton mouth, then pretty much couch lockd:stoned: spaced out.

im excited to see the harvest from this girl. i want to scrog 2 of my girls in 5G pots and have a 4'X5' screen full of buds next time around. ill be watching:thumbsup:

[canniwhatsis]

I asked the wife for a thought on Diana's harvest,.... "Much stronger" was all she had for me :D That'll work for now I guess.

I really am looking forward to letting this go all the way to completion this time, I was too eager too get the perpetual harvest going and started clones too soon. (thus the early harvest of Diana)

[canniwhatsis]

Well I knew I was going to go thru and clear the undergrowth below the screen,... but I didn't figure I'd be cutting SACKS out! :mad:

Turns out even tho purple was looking really healthy and had female pre-flowers all over her tops, she did the same thing the first two did when I put them to flower,.... just as buds started to form so too did sacks at the bottoms of the branches! :(

As with the first two, the sacks seem limited to the bottom and even branches covered in sacks down low seem to be 100% female up top :wtf:

If Prim pops sacks out even tho she was cut from a branch that had nothing but Female pre-flowers on it at the time of cloning I'll cut every one of the strain down.

Vance, Keep a close eye on those cuttings,.... I think you'll be just fine but beware!

[tikiroom]

Are you completely sure that there isn't any light leaks in the grow room?

[Vancefish]

I've been questioning those since day 1. ;)

I'm figuring on giving them a good amount of veg time before flower in hopes of some stabilization, stress wise. However IF they hermi, I'll throw them out.

Good news is the Durban poison clones I traded to you should be very stable. I got those from a guy in Fort Collins who has been growing the OEM mother for quite a long time without ANY hermi's!! :thumbsup:

:S2: Tomorrow I plan to "save a lot of money" by switching to Geico. :S2: I just got a quote, and literally I will save $100 per month!! Guess I should have looked at that lizard earlier.:D

However that means I can FINALLY afford the A/C I need to flower these two monsters I got back in JANUARY. If all goes well I should be flowering officially starting tomorrow.

[canniwhatsis]

Are you completely sure that there isn't any light leaks in the grow room?

Yep,.... I think its something to do with whatever I did to almost kill the plant a few months ago, I can't be certain of the cause, but I know it's not light bleed.

I cut my first 3 clones while the die back was progressing, so they got a good dose of whatever poison was in the system at the time.

My 2nd batch of 4 clones was taken off of her once she was much healthier, I kept 2 of them and was going to Scrog one and do the other natural, The other 2 GDP clones were given away. So Prim is the first one of that batch that's hit flowering,... No signs of sacks yet, and it's day 10 today,.. just about the time the sacks showed up on mom.

Vance hooked me up with some cuttings off his Durban, So when all 3 cuttings rooted I had to destroy the Scrog GDP to make room to keep a Durban mother, and the other 2 Durban cuttings were destroyed in order to stay under my plant count.

I checked in with my friend that took one of the clones from the batch of clones that Vance has, she put it under 12/12 right away, and has seen no sacks or nanners. So I suspect the more recent clones are fine, I'm curious to see how Vance's do with some veg time on them.


Pic 1: Purple at day 14
Pic 2: Close up of one of the front buds,... all girl at the top.
Pic 3: Prim's top day 9

[canniwhatsis]

Quick update on the outdoor plant,.....


Nothing much to report, temps have been in the mid 60's overnight and weather has cut the light cycle down so I've got lots of pistles,.... theyre gonna die off I'm sure when the cold front moves out, but it's good to see em! :jointsmile:

Little over 3' tall, bushing and filling in nicely.....


Fuckin neighbors cat pissed in the planter,... if I see that cat again I'm gonna cover the top of the soil with mousetraps.


seems to want a bit more N so I'll be feeding veg nutes tonight.


Here's a pic before I go to work. :hippy:

[canniwhatsis]

Well,... I knew when I saw the hole in the soil where the neighbors cat had pissed in the potter that eventually I'd see problems,.... and they popped up yesterday while I was at work.

I've flushed 15 gallons of water thru the potter since the incident, and we've had several days of heavy rain,... but it wasn't enough to cleanse the damage. Not sure if the nutes might have kicked up the damage or not, but here's a few pics......



Pic 1: Close up of damaged fan leaf
Pic 2: Pulled back shot showing the extent of the damage.
Pics 3-4: The other side of the plant, there seems to be no damage on this side.

[canniwhatsis]

As for the Indoor plant things seem to be going well, I've been scouring for more sacks and have not been finding many. I think I may have got them all,... but I'm gonna keep looking just to be sure.

Pic 1: Purple's canopy
Pic 2: The lack of undergrowth :jointsmile:

[canniwhatsis]

:cursing::beatdeadhorse::cursing:


Missed 2 F'n sacks and my room got a HEAVY dose of pollen, purple is almost 100% and the other plant that was in there got about 30% :mad:


So I've decided to cut my losses on Purple and excised her from the flowering room and put her out side to finish off. I'll harvest her for seeds and hash, there will be no bud :(


On the plus side, the outdoor plant is starting to bud, so hopefully mom won't pop more sacks, and the other indoor plant hasn't produced any sacks or hermi flowers and looks like it'll actually be a decent yield aside from the seeds or "Rat treats" as my wife calls them.


I'm going to give a clone off of my new mother plant one last shot in a few months, if it herms the strain dies. :chainsaw:


Pic 1: Purple outside next to Persiphone
Pic 2: Close up of one of the buds showing all the dead pistles and split flowers.
Pic 3: Persiphone's top.

[tikiroom]

Sorry to hear about your purple. :(
She looked like it was going to be a nice yield too.

[drudown11]

Sorry to hear about your purple. :(
She looked like it was going to be a nice yield too.

yea man im pissed. That thing was going to have be a nice yielder.


damn hermies.....:wtf:

[ben7j4]

It wasn't a bad first grow....... you learned a lot :thumbsup:

we're all rookies at first....right:stoned:

[canniwhatsis]

It wasn't a bad first grow....... you learned a lot :thumbsup:

we're all rookies at first....right:stoned:



Sure did bro! :D


Glad to see ya made it to what little show I've been able to put on, Just in time to watch the outdoor plant kick off! And probably epic fail like the rest! :rolleyes:


It's already too dark to take any good pics tonight, so maybe in the morning I'll get some new pics of the last of my first run. ;)

[ben7j4]

It was bad enough she grew a pair of balls, but to blow a wad in your
bloom room :mad:

I bought a couple of clones, they were hard to find, most stores are still wait
an see yet on the new law.

sent away for some seed:D

that way you know what you got.......kind of know.....:wtf:

if I get the first (KUSH) I'll try some other flavors....hell I got the rest
of my life:stoned:

[canniwhatsis]

Thread etiquette on this site is a bit different than the Bro site ;) ,.... but I've got no problems with you posting up here on your grow too! :D :thumbsup: :jointsmile:


You gonna make it to the throwdown on the 28th?

[canniwhatsis]

Anyway,... As promised, I've got some updated pics of the last plant in this log, Persephone! She's slightly above the fence line, (pushing 6.5' tall now) tho the angle of the pics doesn't show it.

The Outdoor light cycle is still quite a bit longer than 12/12, but the plant doesn't get direct light all day, so I think it's kicking off slightly early, which given the climate is a good thing! ;) I might actually get to harvest before the first freeze sets in! :D :jointsmile:


She was looking really pale, so I dusted some N rich fertilizer on the soil and watered with Ph'd water to soak it in, I'll continue feeding on schedule, but I felt that the low N needed to be addressed since it's still in the first week or two of flowering.




P.S. That is Purple, the mother plant/ SCROG attempt in the background. I've moved her outside to make sure she doesn't pop more sacks and pollenate my bloom room again! I still plan on harvesting that plant for seed,.... how do I tell when the seeds are ready? :wtf:

[deserthealer]

If you would take a string and tie it up close to the top of Persephone, and then bend her over just a bit ... like the top of a candy cane, you would be so amazed at what she will do! AND it would get her safely tucked back under the top of the fence...

lookin' good, btw :thumbsup:

and you know when your seeds are ready when they change color from white to brown or black or speckled, depending on variety. you'll have to check inside the seed pod every now and then.

[canniwhatsis]

If you would take a string and tie it up close to the top of Persephone, and then bend her over just a bit ... like the top of a candy cane, you would be so amazed at what she will do! AND it would get her safely tucked back under the top of the fence...

lookin' good, btw :thumbsup:

and you know when your seeds are ready when they change color from white to brown or black or speckled, depending on variety. you'll have to check inside the seed pod every now and then.



I've been debating training her,... but I've got some corn thats pushing 9' tall closer to the street, so there's no way to see the MMJ from the street out front.

Thanks for the input on seeding,... I just dont want them to drop over the soil where they are,... I don't want seedlings that I didn't plant! :eek:

[canniwhatsis]

There's no need to tie her,.... I have the blessing of the goddess!:thumbsup::D

[canniwhatsis]

Couple pushed in shots of the buds.

[canniwhatsis]

A week later, and we've added a bunch of weight! :hippy:

Getting a bunch of yellow fans, and purple calyx's :jointsmile: Inspection of the Trichomes reveals about 70% cloudy no amber yet. I figure it's got another 2-2.5 weeks left.

http://boards.cannabis.com/members/canniwhatsis-albums-first-grow-picture5800-img-1295.jpg
Top
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/canniwhatsis-albums-first-grow-picture5802-img-1297.jpg
Pushed in on a side bud.
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:rastasmoke::hippy:

[Theym420]

Just read thru your grow log :jointsmile: i hope that strain wasn't the problem and that it was just from stress, and it looks like you'll get more from that outside plant than from about three or four of your inside ones :D nice job

[canniwhatsis]

Just read thru your grow log :jointsmile: i hope that strain wasn't the problem and that it was just from stress, and it looks like you'll get more from that outside plant than from about three or four of your inside ones :D nice job

Thanks! :rastasmoke:

Yes the outdoor plant is going to yield much better than any of the indoor plants have.

Why? Got me! :wtf: EVERY plant I've grown under my lights has hermed, either early with fully developed pollen sacks or in the last week by popping nanners. :mad:

On the outdoor plant tho, it's been completely Hermi free thus far! :confused: :wtf:

I'd estimate it's in week 6, so by what I've seen indoors, IF it's gonna herm, it'll happen late next week or during the week after. :detective1:



None the less, it's "So far, So good" on this last one in my first grow experiment. :jointsmile:

I"ll try and stay on top of this thread,... harvest is near, I can smell it in the air! ;)

[FlyinPolynesian]

That Big Purple Momma Monstah looks super Gnar :thumbsup:

Just apply what ya learned from those wispy/lanky ladies and you know your next indoor grow will be EIPC:rastasmoke:

[oldskoolgrower]

great job for a first time grow!

[canniwhatsis]

That Big Purple Momma Monstah looks super Gnar :thumbsup:

Just apply what ya learned from those wispy/lanky ladies and you know your next indoor grow will be EIPC:rastasmoke:

Thanks and DONE! :thumbsup:

http://boards.cannabis.com/members/canniwhatsis-albums-random-pics-picture5866-blueberry-week-8.jpg Almost Done anyway! :D Blueberry week 8 is drawing to a close.:hippy:

[tikiroom]

That Blueberry looks really dank. :jointsmile:
You got a pic of the whole girl?

[canniwhatsis]

That Blueberry looks really dank. :jointsmile:
You got a pic of the whole girl?

Thanks! :D The smell is amazing too. I can't wait to get it hanging up in the new drying area:jointsmile:


To answer your question,... Yes, but It's not one I"m going to be posting due to some content in the picture that just doesn't belong on the web ;) And No, I cant take another one,... I've pulled lower branches good for about 1/2 oz off of it already for one of my patients that is dealing with sever nausea. Trying to let the top's run for another patient's back pain (She's got about 2/3 of her spine fused) The wife has become my QC team! :D :jointsmile:



Kinda cool, during the course of this log I've gone from a complete newb, to a CareGiver now having 3 patients! :hippy:


All and all I had a ruff go at GDP, and as a grower the clone I bought gave me fits! The original mom was Hermi, so all the babies were hermies, and none of my last 3 grows of GDP (Started with this log, and finishing with the outdoor girl) have yielded well if at all (not counting the outdoor girl, since she's not down yet!).

But the effect of the meds :stoned: have gotten me 3 patients. So, just cause I have them,...... (about 200 seeds :o )

http://boards.cannabis.com/members/canniwhatsis-albums-random-pics-picture5874-a.jpg

[canniwhatsis]

Still stacking weight on. I want to chop it soo bad I can taste it,.... but I'm gonna see if it will run to the first freeze,... almost all cloudy trichs, should be ready soon.;):hippy:
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Top.
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/canniwhatsis-albums-first-grow-picture5907-just-top.jpg

[Theym420]

She's looking more beautiful every post :thumbsup:

[canniwhatsis]

Just scrolled back,... from the first mention of pistils,... tomorrow is day 60. So we double checked the trich's,... all cloudy as of today. so the bottom branches will be hanging in the new cabinet tonight. Going to let the top of the plant go, to see how much more weight it might put on.


Pics later ;)

[canniwhatsis]

Well,.... It's later :D
After the chop,... this is what she still looks like.
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/canniwhatsis-albums-first-grow-picture5919-img-1352.jpg

Trimmed up and hanging to dry,.... the largest cola as 1.5" in diameter and over 6" long! :D Just that one branch is over 2x what any of my indoor girls have ever yielded! :hippy:
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/canniwhatsis-albums-first-grow-picture5920-img-1349.jpg

[canniwhatsis]

And the rest of her came down tonight,.... No yield tally's as trimming is going to take a couple day's,... and then there is the whole drying/curing thing to do,... :rolleyes:


I got about 1/2 way thru trimming tonight,... and put the rest of it in a bag that went in the fridge in the garage overnight, Anyone know if that was a good/bad idea? There's just no way I'm gonna get it done tonight.


Pics were taken with my cellphone,... I'll try and get some macro shots with my actual camera once it's all hanging up to show trich's and color.

[ben7j4]

Looks mighty good :thumbsup:

That blueberry is going to keep they ol lady really stony :hippy:

you should be giving her something more uppee :stoned:

[ben7j4]

That blueberry is going to keep they ol lady really stony :hippy:

you should be giving her something more uppee :stoned:

Sorry man, after re-reading it........sounds like I'm telling the Doc

what to do :( didn't mean to :)

[canniwhatsis]

Sorry man, after re-reading it........sounds like I'm telling the Doc

what to do :( didn't mean to :)

NP Ben,... Yeah, the Blueberry is beddy by meds! ;) Knocks her back pain out,... and couchlocks her too! :mad: I'm hoping the Durban will be more uppy, but that's another thread.

The GDP is certainly more upppy than the Blueberry, tho most of this plant came down pretty late as we were looking for a bit more pain killing out of it, the scissor hash worked really well for her, so I'm hoping the buds will do good too.

I'll try and get all this GDP in a single tray once it's cured and see what it yielded, if I can keep the wife from smoking it that is! :jointsmile:

[DrWalter]

Titties :thumbsup::jointsmile:

[ben7j4]

Can

Did you get a weight on that Blueberry yet :jointsmile:

Looks like DR Walter has a hand on what he's growing:D