can't understand christian justification of Old Testament

[hazetwostep]

i don't think anyone denies that the old testament in the bible speaks of and condones horrible acts of inhumanity, often in the form of law or proverb. i also understand that christians believe when jesus came he essentially modified or "fulfilled the law,â?� therefore, how things were done. For this reason christians don't practice most of the barbaric laws promoted in the old testament any longer.

for example...
"He that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death."(Exodus 21:17)

obviously this would not be condoned by your average modern day christian. they would respond something like, "that was the old testament law. jesus came and fulfilled the law so we are under new testament law now. god's law now promotes more of a 'mercy triumphs over judgmentâ?? type theme."

i get what they believe. i believed it for 23 years including 5 years as an ordained minister. the thing i feel most of them are not grasping is the gravity of is how messed up and disgusting it is nonetheless.

it was simple revelations like this that led me away from a worldview that defends the bible as the literal WORD OF GOD. even if several thousand years after the matter god changed the theme of how things worked, it cannot justify in any way, shape, or form the idea that god (at ANY point in human history) not only promoted these barbaric practices but ultimately was the author and final enforcer of them.

Before anyone responds please take a moment and imagine these images in your head.
- Exodus 21:17-> throwing stones at your child until he/she bleeds to death at your very feet
- Psalm 137:8-9-> being blessed from "dashing" baby after baby after baby of your enemy against blood and flesh covered rocks
- the list goes on but is the point not blatantly clear?

I sincerely cannot understand how anyone can believe, love, trust in a supposed all-knowing, all-powerful, all-loving god who would ever mandate, let alone tolerate anything this close to â??evilâ?� as clearly described in his â??holy word.â?�

[LOC NAR on probation]

I try not to get into these things as I am not sure what I am only that I am.

What you say gives one alot to think about. First one has to think about the mind set of the people at the time just as your mind set now.

In all of time I don't think the God of Abraham has changed. Not one little bit.

In the beginning God told Ab to kill his son as a sign of faith. Why would this god change.

One must have the strength to stone ones own child for the good of the whole tribe. The good of the many out wieght the good of the few or the one.

It's a brutal world only if you look at it that way. Can you imagine how old Ab talked us into cutting off our foreskin as a covinent. I would of like to been a the fire that night.

The first thing the young cast aside are manners.
The first thing the new does is cast aside the old.

Has god changed or has man ?

[killerweed420]

Its nice to see people finally taking a rational look at religion and see all the horror it has caused. Hopefully there will be a day when all bigotry is gone and society can move forward into a more pure science. If you get a chance watch the movie Bill Maher produced called Religulous. It takes a humerous look at all religions but with a core of truth.

[MTbudman]

Enough said...
God is Imaginary - 50 simple proofs (http://www.godisimaginary.com/index.htm)

[boaz]

I think it is just human nature to use whatever tool we can to justify our actions. but, I agree with you, there is no rational way to justify violence, especially the graphic violence described in the old testament.

I think, this is the appeal to some people who believed in what Jesus was trying to say at the time, before they nailed him to a cross.

Personally, I think Jesus was just a man, but a pretty cool one who had some good ideas. his idea of teaching one to fish so that they eat for a lifetime could be the libertarian creed. :smokin:

I agree with Loc Nar, "I am not sure what I am only that I am." :cool:

[stickyWoman]

@ MT
I've never seen this site. It's interesting.

In any case, as I've gotten older (and wiser, perhaps), I've come to the realization that MOST religions are just BS. The rules that people follow can change according to the societal rules and the people who follow them are usually too brainwashed into ever changing their opinion.

[BlueBlazer]

Enough said...
God is Imaginary - 50 simple proofs (http://www.godisimaginary.com/index.htm)

Awesome site! :thumbsup:

I can be a bit repetitive, but the logic is sound.

[MTbudman]

Awesome site! :thumbsup:

I can be a bit repetitive, but the logic is sound.


LOL.. It can be repetitive but so is Gods word...lol

[hazetwostep]

i was hoping to receive understanding from a christian perspective. normally i find christians are excited to comment on this site with questions regarding the bible. did you scare them off blueblazer??

[BlueBlazer]

i was hoping to receive understanding from a christian perspective. normally i find christians are excited to comment on this site with questions regarding the bible. did you scare them off blueblazer??

Who me? No way man. :chainsaw:

I think the problem you have here is that most Christians are not very knowledgeable of what is actually in the old testament to begin with. Those that are knowledgeable tend to be uncomfortable with the contradictions. They prefer to leave it to theologians and ministers to figure out how the two testaments' depictions of god can coexist.

[palerider7777]

Who me? No way man. :chainsaw:

I think the problem you have here is that most Christians are not very knowledgeable of what is actually in the old testament to begin with. Those that are knowledgeable tend to be uncomfortable with the contradictions. They prefer to leave it to theologians and ministers to figure out how the two testaments' depictions of god can coexist.

lmao i see you love these types of threads.im starting to think you are a cult unto yourself. i think people like yourself should be thanking the god you don't believe in that some people like myself do believe in him.i'll leave it at that other than to say everything has it's purpose.and it's a great thing to see people like yourself talk with such great hate about "god" but how you attack it so makes what you do a religion in and of it's self.


people like you worship science,i just wonder how you can put your 100% "faith" in "science" when they flip flop on just about every issue and besides that you might want to look up the meaning sometime?

i wonder what your thoughts on this might be?i would think you worship the likes of hawking's?

Aliens Exist, and We Should Avoid Them At All Costs, Says Stephen Hawking | Popular Science (http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-04/hawking-aliens-are-out-there-and-want-our-resources)

[BlueBlazer]

lmao i see you love these types of threads.im starting to think you are a cult unto yourself.

A cult of one?!? How do you get a cult out of me expressing my opinions about god and religion? Strange . . .


i think people like yourself should be thanking the god you don't believe in that some people like myself do believe in him.i'll leave it at that...

? Are you threatening me? I am Cornholio!

This doesn't even make sense to me. If you didn't believe in god, you wouldn't care what my beliefs were, so I wouldn't need the benefit of the biblical prohibition against whatever it is you're implying.


other than to say everything has it's purpose.and it's a great thing to see people like yourself talk with such great hate about "god" but how you attack it so makes what you do a religion in and of it's self.

Great hate? I don't think so. I do hate proselytizing and the implication that I'm doomed or somehow miserable just because of my non-belief. I also hate self-righteousness and religion trying decide what I can read, watch, and even do in my own home.


people like you worship science,...

Have you been watching me hang out at the United Church of Science singing Onward Hal 2000 again? :wtf:


i just wonder how you can put your 100% "faith" in "science" when they flip flop on just about every issue and besides that you might want to look up the meaning sometime?

I don't put 100% faith in unproven scientific theories, however, scientific method is sound. Just because I don't believe in your god doesn't mean I bow to all science has to say either. I have a questioning mind, I question everything. It's just that science seems to stand up much better under scrutiny than religion . . .


i wonder what your thoughts on this might be?i would think you worship the likes of hawking's?

My thoughts are some believers need a thicker skin. :D

[hazetwostep]

palerider7777... i was wondering if you could comment on what this post actually asks? all you have done so far is shared a personal view about another person sharing his thoughts, without a single relevant point to the question.

to me it seems perfectly normal to share our great dislike and disagreement with the concept of a god-figure who was at one point was nothing more than an omnipotent Hitler.

[palerider7777]

palerider7777... i was wondering if you could comment on what this post actually asks? all you have done so far is shared a personal view about another person sharing his thoughts, without a single relevant point to the question.

to me it seems perfectly normal to share our great dislike and disagreement with the concept of a god-figure who was at one point was nothing more than an omnipotent Hitler.

no i just responded to him because he lurks in wait for any thread to jump in and bash any chance he can get.it just so happened to be you're thread my bad.

and i will respond to you're ? tyvm

it will be a kindda long response so i'll be back when i have the time.

and blue what i said in my post was not directed at you i said people like you as in you're thinking.but no it was not directed at you personally.try to think of that comment along the lines of genghis khan.as in it is only my faith in god that keeps me from attacking back when so many things are being done to good people and no one does anything about it.our rights are stripped away everyday. and yes i know genghis just took and killed as he pleased im just saying on that lvl.i mean if i did'nt believe in the peace and love that the bible teaches even tho you try to make it out to be an evil no good book that causes war.sorry to say the wars were a result of oppression or direct attack.also just like any war that starts because of 2 differing views.

[BlueBlazer]

and blue what i said in my post was not directed at you i said people like you as in you're thinking.but no it was not directed at you personally.


lmao i see you love these types of threads.im starting to think you are a cult unto yourself.


i just responded to him because he lurks in wait for any thread to jump in and bash any chance he can get.

First I'm going to have to call BS. Second, what are you talking about? Who am I bashing? Go back and read my post that sent you off so bad. Where am I bashing anyone?

You, on the other hand, have called me a cult, a lurker, and painted me out to be nothing more than some guy who has nothing constructive to say just wants to "bash any chance I get."

Thirdly, saying "people like you" is a comparative statement that makes a personal statement about me. You can try to back peddle now, but those things you said obviously included me.

Comes across personal to me . . .

[palerider7777]

First I'm going to have to call BS. Second, what are you talking about? Who am I bashing? Go back and read my post that sent you off so bad. Where am I bashing anyone?

You, on the other hand, have called me a cult, a lurker, and painted me out to be nothing more than some guy who has nothing constructive to say just wants to "bash any chance I get."

Thirdly, saying "people like you" is a comparative statement that makes a personal statement about me. You can try to back peddle now, but those things you said obviously included me.

Comes across personal to me . . .

i guess you can look at it anyway you want.do i need to go dig up every thread you post in that deals with this?i mean you post your views in past post yet you seem to feel the need to jump in every thread about god to make sure everyone here's your view about how god is fake and how anyone that believes is a crack pot.not word for word but in round about terms.ok we get it you know all and are a great and mighty and know everything. i mean you would have to know everything if you know for a fact that god is "made up" right? im sure you will post your proof in your next post right?

yes if you look at science as in seeking of the truth then yes it does hold water.but a great deal of science is guessing and proof of that is how they come out with these scientific"facts" 1 year only to come back the next year with a big "opps" forget all those "facts" we told ya about last year this is the real facts this year.come on man you really gunna sit there and tell me this is not so?im sure you will, then i'll go dig up case by case so whatever enjoy your power trip.

[BlueBlazer]

i guess you can look at it anyway you want.do i need to go dig up every thread you post in that deals with this?

Whatever floats your boat dude.


i mean you post your views in past post yet you seem to feel the need to jump in every thread about god to make sure everyone here's your view about how god is fake and how anyone that believes is a crack pot.not word for word but in round about terms.

Sorry, I wasn't aware that I was not allowed to post my views in threads that interested me.


ok we get it you know all and are a great and mighty and know everything. i mean you would have to know everything if you know for a fact that god is "made up" right? im sure you will post your proof in your next post right?


enjoy your power trip.

lol, wow dude. I guess I really rub you the wrong way. For that I am truly sorry. I do not believe in god. This offends you. I can't help that. I have the same desire to share my views that you and anyone else that posts on a message board does.

[palerider7777]

Whatever floats your boat dude.



Sorry, I wasn't aware that I was not allowed to post my views in threads that interested me.





lol, wow dude. I guess I really rub you the wrong way. For that I am truly sorry. I do not believe in god. This offends you. I can't help that. I have the same desire to share my views that you and anyone else that posts on a message board does.

no to be honest you not believing in god does not really bother me.im fine with that and i don't think bad about someone that thinks that way.you have your right to what and how you believe.it's just the snobby type way you seem to come across.it's fine that you post,but it's almost in a haha your below me attacking type of way.

btw why would something you know for a fact does'nt exist in your view intrest you?you sure seem to spend alot of time talking about something you dislike or the thought of you dislike so?

[BlueBlazer]

no to be honest you not believing in god does not really bother me.im fine with that and i don't think bad about someone that thinks that way.you have your right to what and how you believe.it's just the snobby type way you seem to come across.it's fine that you post,but it's almost in a haha your below me attacking type of way.

I would address this, but haha you're below me you plebe! j/k :D


btw why would something you know for a fact does'nt exist in your view intrest you?you sure seem to spend alot of time talking about something you dislike or the thought of you dislike so?

I am interested for several reasons. Chief among those reasons is that I am a pk and grew up with extensive church time and biblical study. This site thoughtfully provided a forum for discussion of these things and I am simply taking advantage of a chance to voice my beliefs/opinions JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.

[BlueBlazer]

btw, are you ever going to address Hazetwostep's original post or is this your "bash BlueBlazer" thread now?

[palerider7777]

btw, are you ever going to address Hazetwostep's original post or is this your "bash BlueBlazer" thread now?

lol has the az thread become a side with anyone thats against palerider thread?:thumbsup::beatdeadhorse::S3::s4:

[BlueBlazer]

lol has the az thread become a side with anyone thats against palerider thread?

ummm. I guess if you say so. I don't really pay too much attention to the political forum.

[hazetwostep]

hmmm... i still am only seeing personal opinion about others and not a thought on how you justify that your god used to command people to stone children and smash infants on rocks according to your "bible of love and peace..."

[palerider7777]

hmmm... i still am only seeing personal opinion about others and not a thought on how you justify that your god used to command people to stone children and smash infants on rocks according to your "bible of love and peace..."

all i can say for now is i would really like to read the original text.as i do know the bible has been written many times over and things were left out or added to and or used diffrent words in place of the real word and so on.

here is a website tho most is not in english but some of it is.i read through alil bit that was in english and there are words in place of the real words.

other than that the part about the babies being killed and such during war was simple.anything that had to do with the evil of the other tribes worship of anything like baal worship and so on was against god.everything had to be killed and destoryed.think of this say you were back in those times or even today and you was at war with who ever. and you went and killed the father of a small boy that you were at war with.do you think the lil boy would ever forget you?no he would most likely spend his whole life searching you out to kill you for what you did to his father.

ever watch the movie gangs of new york? if ol bill the butcher would have killed the kid then it would have saved him his life the many years later.

Codex Sinaiticus - See The Manuscript | Genesis | (http://www.codexsinaiticus.org/en/manuscript.aspx?=Submit) Query&book=59&lid=en&side=r&zoomSlider=0

[palerider7777]

ummm. I guess if you say so. I don't really pay too much attention to the political forum.

my point exactly you traced where i last went and had to side with the first person that went against me.plz don't be like ol red and side step lmao.

[BlueBlazer]

my point exactly you traced where i last went and had to side with the first person that went against me.plz don't be like ol red and side step lmao.

I have already explained why I chose that thread. Perhaps you missed it. I was following redlocks, not you. I went there to rep him back for repping me. I posted in the thread because I haven't repped enough other folks to rep him again.

The weed you're smoking is making you a bit paranoid I think. I could care less what your political views are or redlocks' either for that matter. Politics just doesn't interest me.

[palerider7777]

I have already explained why I chose that thread. Perhaps you missed it. I was following redlocks, not you. I went there to rep him back for repping me. I posted in the thread because I haven't repped enough other folks to rep him again.

The weed you're smoking is making you a bit paranoid I think. I could care less what your political views are or redlocks' either for that matter. Politics just doesn't interest me.

lmao yea thats it im paranoid about 2 people that seem to like to stir up shit.then when i call ya out you start in with the your paranoid this and your crazy that.oh well im done where you want those cookies sent? you know the prize you won?

[BlueBlazer]

you know the prize you won?


Is it the most fabulous object in the universe?!? :dance:

[palerider7777]

Is it the most fabulous object in the universe?!? :dance:

no that stuffs not real remember?

anyways you choose not to believe in anything i choose to do so.no biggie

all i hear out of people like you is things like christians are responsible for all the wars and all the killing and all this and that.yet i have never seen a so called christian on these boards come into every thread bashing anyone.infact they make there lil posts about whatever and then people like yourself come in and in a smart ass kindda way start bashing them.
and saying things like if you believe in god you must be some carzy back woods crack pot.and on and on.this is pure hate for something that you don't believe in so whats the big deal?

i see it all the time it's like this,you could be talking to someone and god is not brought up at all, right.and the person you are talking to could be a master builder lets say,so your talking and you see this person really knows his stuff and you start to respect that person and then 1 day he tells you he believes in a god,after that people like you will dis miss everything that person had to say as if he's a fruit cake that don't know shit.

[BlueBlazer]

no that stuffs not real remember?

I would think so, since that was a reference to Time Bandits. Which is fictional.


anyways you choose not to believe in anything i choose to do so.no biggie

Exactly. Let's just agree to disagree.

The rest of what you had to say is all assumption on your part. You don't know me. You are quite wrong about me and my motives.

Keep in mind that this isn't the Christianity forum. If it were, I'd give it a wide berth. This is a spirituality forum. Belief in god is not a prerequisite to spirituality.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

I would think so, since that was a reference to Time Bandits. Which is fictional.



Exactly. Let's just agree to disagree.

The rest of what you had to say is all assumption on your part. You don't know me. You are quite wrong about me and my motives.

Keep in mind that this isn't the Christianity forum. If it were, I'd give it a wide berth. This is a spirituality forum. Belief in god is not a prerequisite to spirituality.



However, generally speaking, spirituality is a divine half to the whole. "God" is merely a title which designates higher authorities and spirits.

In my own beliefs, there is an All Encompassing Infinitesimal Omniversal Universe, the whole of all of reality, and it is the "body" of ONE whole. That collective whole is to what would represent "my" "God".

The spirit of the whole of all wholes. Neither a passive nor aggressive, neither a dominant nor submissive, neither an accusatory nor a forgiving being, just the null void, fluctuating and flowing, infinitely without beginning or end.

The evolution of infinity.


To what i believe, there are no words of god that are not spoken directly to us, constantly.

Even the bible says that god "Speaks the world into existence", which goes hand in hand with what i believe, that the ultimate authority doesnt speak to us through the words of wicked men, but through the very fabric of reality itself, we need only open our hearts to listen.

[hazetwostep]

other than that the part about the babies being killed and such during war was simple.anything that had to do with the evil of the other tribes worship of anything like baal worship and so on was against god.everything had to be killed and destoryed.

and what about that is not absolutely revolting and cruel? why did everything HAVE to be killed and destroyed as you say? for ONE reason alone, because GOD WANTED IT done that way. that is the only possible reason and it is gross. if god had wanted to handle it a different way and be loving and merciful, he could and would have.. after all he is god. he CHOSE to be intolerant and blood-thirsty.



think of this say you were back in those times or even today and you was at war with who ever. and you went and killed the father of a small boy that you were at war with.do you think the lil boy would ever forget you?no he would most likely spend his whole life searching you out to kill you for what you did to his father.

ever watch the movie gangs of new york? if ol bill the butcher would have killed the kid then it would have saved him his life the many years later.


it scares me that you just so nonchalantly justified baby killing. i'm astonished. don't you see something horribly wrong here?

how do you get a god of "peace and love," like you said earlier, from a foundation of baby smashing and child stoning? if he was all-powerful and all-loving, he could have ruled in a merciful way, even back then. what an example to the world that would have been! what an example to me that would have been. instead the people of your faith try to cover up your gods unrepentant dark past with twisted ideas like an "old and new covenant" of god with his people that is supposed to magically make his disgraceful past justified.

how can i follow a god with a track record as blood stained as the god of the judeo-christian faith and maintain any sense of honor, dignity, humanity?

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

haze: leme lay on you this crazy game i've been learning...



You see, we're the programmers, but the trick is, we're not supposed to know that we are. the game functions in a way that our every action sort of "builds" the game. the game is smart, smart as we are. and it's in our heads. you see, it knows what we're thinking, so it knows if we're trying to program the game or not.


If it knows we're trying, well man, we arent going to get what we want.

Now, the original programmers, they snuck into the game some secret hints and tricks we can use, but they hid them real well with gibberish and double talk.

So taking into consideration that we're just playin' a game, what does that make you think about the "rules"? :wtf:

[BlueBlazer]

Someone has been watching too much Matrix. :cool:


Just messing with you SSW. :D

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

Someone has been watching too much Matrix. :cool:


Just messing with you SSW. :D



The funniest part is that i've held views like this since i was 12 years old. 12 years ago. (im 24 now, or at least i should be by now)


Matrix was a pretty cool movie and all, but no. just no.

Matrix, The One, Kung Fu Hustle, good movies for martial arts, and generally float around the same topic: the meaning of life.


I like the immaculate RPG analogy because it is accurate and easily related these days.


God is the lead programmer, jesus is all the players guides and respawn times, and our spirits are us, the players, at the controls, while our avatars are our bodies.



NOW just apply that to real life and viola.... voila....?
i dont know how to spell that word... >.< neither one is wrong either <.>


aanyways, yeah... my overall point was that haze could stand to take a step back and reevaluate it for a moment.


Im not saying that christianity, particularly catholicism, is actually correct, but it IS part of the game, and must have SOMEthing worthwhile there, otherwise no one would have wasted the time, space, or effort to program it into the game :D lol


Like i say, there are grains of truth in all things, even lies.

[hazetwostep]

ssw.. i don't believe there is anything for me to re-evaluate. i have delved deeply into studies of the bible and christianity. i am not saying the bible should be wiped off the face of the planet. there are some good principles mixed into it like the beatitudes and such. it shouldn't be destroyed but placed in the FICTION section of the library along with other pieces of literature like Clancy, Shakespeare, and Graham Greene that are meant to be read in a fictitious manner and not literally.

as far as pretending that it is some magic book inspired by god.. well, the world is complicated enough without adding religious fairy-tale. think about it. why do people "believe" the bible is the word of god? ummmm... because the bible says so? it is blind dedication to logic like this that is truly holding the social evolution of humanity back.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

ssw.. i don't believe there is anything for me to re-evaluate. i have delved deeply into studies of the bible and christianity. i am not saying the bible should be wiped off the face of the planet. there are some good principles mixed into it like the beatitudes and such. it shouldn't be destroyed but placed in the FICTION section of the library along with other pieces of literature like Clancy, Shakespeare, and Graham Greene that are meant to be read in a fictitious manner and not literally.

as far as pretending that it is some magic book inspired by god.. well, the world is complicated enough without adding religious fairy-tale. think about it. why do people "believe" the bible is the word of god? ummmm... because the bible says so? it is blind dedication to logic like this that is truly holding the social evolution of humanity back.



Yeah man, i completely understand what you're sayin', but i consider all of reality to be a work of fiction, so EVERYTHING is under scrutiny at all times :D.


I consider jesus = neo = luke = frodo = thor = etc.


They are the epitome of the hero of heroes. the role model of role models.

Regardless of fact or fiction, their stories should inspire righteousness and good deeds, without expectation of compensation.

I merely posit that all fictions bear grains and threads of truth, that regardless of the credibility or actuality of religious doctrine, regardless of the actuality or credibility of scientific record, these things are available to us to learn from and grow as persons.

Keeping in mind that all parts of the whole bear equally real opposites, religion and science are both equally important and factual, as well as equally fictional and misleading.

Remember not to take the bible literally, when reminding others not to take the bible literally :rastasmoke:

[BlueBlazer]

SSW, if I understand you correctly your view of life, the universe, and everything is a like a theory I like to play with. It's called the Astral Slide Theory (c)(TM). It goes like this:

We are all just energy beings that became bored and invented this "reality" to experience (like a game). In order for it to work to the fullest extent, we must forget our actual existence and concentrate on this "existence". Like children waiting for a playground slide, we wait our turn, slide through lives in this reality and then run around to get back in line for another ride.

It pleases me to think that if this is true, ZZ Top wrote the background music for it all. :D

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

SSW, if I understand you correctly your view of life, the universe, and everything is a like a theory I like to play with. It's called the Astral Slide Theory (c)(TM). It goes like this:

We are all just energy beings that became bored and invented this "reality" to experience (like a game). In order for it to work to the fullest extent, we must forget our actual existence and concentrate on this "existence". Like children waiting for a playground slide, we wait our turn, slide through lives in this reality and then run around to get back in line for another ride.

It pleases me to think that if this is true, ZZ Top wrote the background music for it all. :D



ABSOLUTELY!!! :D


But i think the soundtrack to reality is a lot more than ZZ Top!! Everyone from Hendrix to Santana, from Black sabbath to Cock Pit, all the world's greatest from Bach to Weird Al. "what if god smoked cannabis" ;D


When humans make it to start colonizing space, the soundtrack switches to Black Sabbath's Iron Man...



There is only one problem with the game of life.....


It's starting to get old...

[BlueBlazer]

When humans make it to start colonizing space, the soundtrack switches to Black Sabbath's Iron Man...


I'm thinking 2000 Light Years From Home...classic Rolling Stones. :thumbsup:

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

Hah! i am not well known enough in musical culutre to really have any sufficent say in the matter :D i was just listenin' to some black sabbath at the time :D


I need to expand my music library.


But here, while im on it, have a listen-to to some of my favorite music ever.


Donkey Kong Country! :D LOL

YouTube - Kong in Concert: Rare Reminiscence (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u21hi2ijR2k)


Video game music and some of their remixes are some of the most powerful music i have ever experienced...


Second only to Bjork, which i am not nearly as exposed to.