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[irene45]

hi. i have 4 cuttings. i am using growells advise.
when i got the cuttings a couple had white/yellow patches on them. as they are growing, which today is day 5 there are more yellow/white patches and dots on them.
i am using a 600watt sodium light which i was told by almost evryone i asked that it was fine. i think i may have put the light to close to the cuttings. but now i have highed it. 150cm away from cuttings. i am using canna coco professional soil.
the nutes i am using at the moment is rhizotonic. 10ml per 2 litre of water. trichoderma 1 gram per 2 litre of water. i drop of superthrive per 2 litre of water and canna vega start 10ml per 2 litre of water.
im obviously doing it wrong as i keep being told different things by different people.
im worried about the yellow/white patches.
any advise gratefully recieved. thanks.

[irene45]

well thanks for all the advice!

[stra8outtaWeed]

pictures will get you more comments....descriptions are hard and you won't get accurate advice:thumbsup:

[bigtopsfinn]

The best advice is to fill out the troubleshooting (at the top of the plant problems forum) and copy and paste it here. Without any knowledge about your ph, ppm, water source, temps, etc., its impossible to give any sound advice.

Some pics would help too.

Happy growing :jointsmile:

[irene45]

i have attached (i hope) two pics of the cutting. im really sorry but there not good pics. as my cam is crap. i hope you can see the one pic has yellowing round the edge. the other leaf can you see spots. especially on the left side? can any one shed any light on this plz. would be very gratefull.
thanks.
:(

[irene45]

and i ca not see hwre to fill out the plant problem form?

[bigtopsfinn]

Plant problem forms are here: http://boards.cannabis.com/plant-problems/173775-cancom-copy-n-paste-troubleshooting-forms.html

I gathered your growing in coco, so you copy and paste this one into your response just type in your answers after the questions (answers in bold makes it easier to read). Try and answer as much as you can, more details equals better advice.


What is your experience level? (first timer, novice, experienced...)

What type of hydro set-up are you running?

Your Equipment:
A) Type and wattage of lights. (MH, HPS, CFL's, tube fluorescents, LED's)
B) Distance from tops?
C) Reflector type? (cool tube set-up, bat wing, enclosed reflector, bare bulb...)
D) What are the bulb wattages, kelvin ratings, and schedule?
E) Is there a consistent fresh air supply?
F) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan?
G) Size of reservoir?
H) What medium if applicable.

Your nutrients and water:
I) If using rockwoll for clones or seedlings, did you rinse the cubes well, with properly ph'd water?
J) Source of water. (tap or filtered) What's it's ph?
K) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule.
L) What is the ec/ppm of your unadjusted tap (or filtered) water?
M) What is the ec/ppm of your nutrient solution?
N) What is the temperature of your nutrient solution? (reservoir high and low temps)
O) Does your ec/ppm show a rise or fall when you do your daily PPM check?
P) Does the ph fluctuate?
Q) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you
spray? (Just after lights come on, just before they go out...)
R) How often do you replace reservoir water/nutes? What does it look like before changes? (clear, foamy, green, brown...)

Your growroom:
S) What size of closet, room or hut?
T) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? ...With lights off?
U) Have you seen signs of insects in the growroom?
V) Are the roots long and white, or brown and slimy?

Your strain:
W) What strain are you growing? (Indica dominate or Sativa dom?)
X) From seeds or clones?
Y) Is this an autoflower strain?

[irene45]

first timer
What is your experience level? (first timer, novice, experienced...)

Your Equipment:
.1) Type and wattage of lights. (MH, HPS, CFL's, tube fluorescents, LED's)
600watt sodium.
.2) Distance from tops?
150cm from top of cuttings.
.3) Reflector type? (cool tube set-up, bat wing, enclosed reflector, bare bulb...) bat wing
.4) Is there a consistent fresh air supply? yes
.5) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan?yes to both.
.6) What are the bulb wattages, kelvin ratings, and schedule? bulbs are 600 watt sodium from uk. "kitbagshop"

Your medium:
.7) Specific brand and type of soil, (coco, peat based soilless...) and anything you've added to it. (vermiculite, perlite, worm castings...) coco canna profesional with pebbles at the bottom for drainage and a thin layer of pebbles on top of soil.
.8) Size of container. 15 litre pots
.9) Did you use peat pucks (or similar) to root clones or germinate seedlings?
no

Your nutrients and water:
10) Source of water? (tap, bottled or filtered) What's it's ph before adjusting? tap water. ph 7.5
11) Method of checking water ph. (ph pen, test strips, aquarium test kit...)
12) Method of adjusting water ph.looking into it at the moment. have not done nothing yet. (phosphoric acid, white vinegar, hydrated lime, PH Up...)
13) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule. evry day, quarter of litre of water per plant. vega canna start, 2 and half mil per two litres of water. rhizotonic 10ml per 2 litre of water, trichoderma 2 grams per 2 litre of water. 2 drops of superthrive per 2 litre of water.
14) How often are you watering between feedings, and how much per watering?there 5 days old and im feeding at every water. which is once a day. quarter litre per plant.
15) Any additives or tea's? (Superthrive, CalMag, molasses, Mother's Earth...) superthrive
16) Are your ph levels stable, or do they fluctuate?i i have only just starting to check ph. today was 7.5 with feeds. didnt test them before feeds. sorry.
17) What is your ingoing water's ph? ...your runoff ph? in going with feeds, 7.5 dont no about run off.
18) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you spray?no i dont. should i be? there 5 days old.

Your growroom:
19) Indoors or outdoors? indoors
20) What size of closet, room or hut? 1 meter by 1 meter by 2 meters hih
21) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? ...With lights off? when on. 72-76 f, humidity 30%-33%
22) Have you seen signs of insects in the growroom? no

Your strain:
23) What strain are you growing? (Indica dominate or Sativa dom?) not sure, cheese.
24) From seeds or clones? clones
25) Is this an autoflower strain?dont no
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Jul-24-2009, 08:10

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Troubleshooting Form - Hydro Grows - NFT, Aeroponic, Hempy Bucket, Flood-n-Drain...Coco...

Copy and Paste this form to your own post.


This form is to help us understand your grow enviornment and equipment, what was happening and what's happening now.
Keep in mind that it's in your best interests to answer as many of the questions as possible, to get the most accurate and timely diagnosis.
It's understood that not all growers will be able to answer every question, but try to be thorough.
After all...they're your meds.
I'd like to take this opportunity to thank those that contributed (directly or indirectly) to the construction of this form.
Y'all's help is greatly appreciated...
stinkyattic, headshake, Italiano715, Phatesh101 and PsychoForBud.

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What is your experience level? (first timer, novice, experienced...)

What type of hydro set-up are you running?

Your Equipment:
A) Type and wattage of lights. (MH, HPS, CFL's, tube fluorescents, LED's)
B) Distance from tops?
C) Reflector type? (cool tube set-up, bat wing, enclosed reflector, bare bulb...)
D) What are the bulb wattages, kelvin ratings, and schedule?
E) Is there a consistent fresh air supply?
F) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan?
G) Size of reservoir?
H) What medium if applicable.

Your nutrients and water:
I) If using rockwoll for clones or seedlings, did you rinse the cubes well, with properly ph'd water?
J) Source of water. (tap or filtered) What's it's ph?
K) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule.
L) What is the ec/ppm of your unadjusted tap (or filtered) water?
M) What is the ec/ppm of your nutrient solution?
N) What is the temperature of your nutrient solution? (reservoir high and low temps)
O) Does your ec/ppm show a rise or fall when you do your daily PPM check?
P) Does the ph fluctuate?
Q) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you
spray? (Just after lights come on, just before they go out...)
R) How often do you replace reservoir water/nutes? What does it look like before changes? (clear, foamy, green, brown...)

Your growroom:
S) What size of closet, room or hut?
T) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? ...With lights off?
U) Have you seen signs of insects in the growroom?
V) Are the roots long and white, or brown and slimy?

Your strain:
W) What strain are you growing? (Indica dominate or Sativa dom?)
X) From seeds or clones?
Y) Is this an autoflower strain?

[irene45]

also my lighting is on 18 hours a day. i talk to them and have a little radio on for them to listen to. you probaly think im bonkers. if i have missed anything from the form plz let me know and will answer you asap.

[irene45]

also could you be kind enough to look at the very poor pics lol i put on here. when i got the clones the leaf with yellow patches round was like that when i got it has a clone. i have now been told that the mother plant did have a problem at one point and one of the plants crossed contaminated??? this is what im being told. hence my status. "confused"

[bigtopsfinn]

A few things stick out to me:

1) 15L pots are pretty big for new clones in coco. Plants grown in coco like smaller containers compared to soil.

2) ph is way off. Should be between 5.5 and 6.2 with coco, many prefer in the 5.8-6.2 range.

3) Are your nutrients coco-specific? I'd check out Canna's site: About Coco | CANNA UK (http://www.canna-uk.com/about_coco) and make sure you are following there instructions.

4) Check your nutrient amounts according to Canna's schedule. From the pics it looks over-fertilized, but it could be related to your ph problem or 'contamination'.

I'd put them maybe a little farther away from that 600w, if you have some other lights like fluoros or cfl's, that would be even better, just to nurse them back to health. And find out what 'contamination' it was. Pests? disease?

[irene45]

happy easter to everyone! hope you didnt eat to much chocolates! lol.
anyway i found the cause to my problem.apparantly they had been over fed.and since they was like it when i got them from clones i am assuming that it wasnt me who over fed them. so thats pleased me.
now i have been tol;d that plants love co2? so i did a bit more research on the co2 thing. apparently if you add sugar, yeast and water shake it up etc... put a pipelet into the the cap where you have just drilled a whole this lets off co2. i have been on so many forums and mainly they are all saying the same thing. but in different ways. so i spoke to a friend who used to grow. and he told me that if i did that and put it in the frow room the plants will die????? as long as i have intake and outtake of air there isnt a problem. but if i was to do the co2 thing with the sugar etc... they will die over night? but i have not read that any where? so what do you guys think. plus my humidity has gone down to 22% and temp 77 farah. i have put a jug of water in there and a wet towel. am i going the right way about thngs?
if anyone answers please do no talk with your mouth full. (of easter eggs!) lol

[irene45]

am i a boring person? or un interesting or what?

[pepurr]

am i a boring person? or un interesting or what?

Don't worry, you're not boring or un-interesting. Sometimes it can take a while to get a responce here. It being Easter, people may be going nuts looking for eggs.

I'm sure you'll get some responce. :thumbsup:

[stra8outtaWeed]

also my lighting is on 18 hours a day. i talk to them and have a little radio on for them to listen to. you probaly think im bonkers. if i have missed anything from the form plz let me know and will answer you asap.

co2 is good for yor plants....when the lights are on:thumbsup:

i have radio in my room and i say good morning before the lights come on and good night when they go off...sometimes i smoke with them just giving them company but the radio makes them feel they are not alone and they get good ol rock music and i think they enjoy it...i do when i'm working in the room so i know they have to like it over the monotinous sound of fans:jointsmile:

[irene45]

co2 is good for yor plants....when the lights are on:thumbsup:

i have radio in my room and i say good morning before the lights come on and good night when they go off...sometimes i smoke with them just giving them company but the radio makes them feel they are not alone and they get good ol rock music and i think they enjoy it...i do when i'm working in the room so i know they have to like it over the monotinous sound of fans:jointsmile:
believe it or not i have a radio in the room. sometimes it heart fm then another. i chop and change the music sometimes i let them listen to my cd#s and yes im sorry.... i read books with them. like they are babies. >bonkers or what<
so if c o2 is good for them and if you read about the mixture further up, why am i being told now by someone who used to grow it before he got busted that i will kill the plants over night????

[stra8outtaWeed]

maybe your friends plants died from to high of co2 level in an enclosed area....but overnight...highly unlikely it was co2...read up and educate your self with books like JORGE CERVANTES MEDICAL MARIJUANA BIBLE and quit listening to friends...do your own thing and learn...searching and reading on this site can help also :thumbsup:

[irene45]

thats exactly what im try to do. lol

[bigtopsfinn]

CO2 is the last thing you need to worry about as long as you have fresh air exchange... It'll be a waste of time and money in your setup http://boards.cannabis.com/advanced-techniques/183121-co2-enrichment-guide.html

Good to hear you found the problem. Keep us updated :jointsmile:

[StickyBuds1987]

yeah i would not worrie about the co2 just look at all the other ppl's logs on here who grow good fire buds without tha co2 thing if your a new grower i would just keep it as simple as you can untill you atleast grow and harvest a few plants just to get the hang of it:jointsmile::stoned::D

[irene45]

thanks for all the advise everyone. my babies are looking good at mo.
my grow room is 1x1 metre and 8 metres high. i have air in and out take. my temp is 80f and humidity 30%. so i guess this is ok.
also stra8outtaWeed dont you think your babies are a bit to young to be smoking/ LOL i would wait til they was old enough!! hehehe. xx

[irene45]

my babies are 6 days old. when can you tell if there female or male at what age?

[stra8outtaWeed]

i smoke with them so they know what they will grow into:D

you said you have clones...i don't know anybody except breeders who are interested in cloning a male so your plants have been sexed already...should be girls!:cool:

[irene45]

i smoke with them so they know what they will grow into:D

you said you have clones...i don't know anybody except breeders who are interested in cloning a male so your plants have been sexed already...should be girls!:cool:
we are the best, we are the best! us girls are brill lol xx do you really smoke in ur grow room with them? doesnt that harm them?

[pepurr]

we are the best, we are the best! us girls are brill lol xx do you really smoke in ur grow room with them? doesnt that harm them?

Yeah! Wouldn't that be like a cannibal eating people pie in front of his next victims? :buzz_saw:

[stra8outtaWeed]

we are the best, we are the best! us girls are brill lol xx do you really smoke in ur grow room with them? doesnt that harm them?

never had an issue with it for the 3 years i've had this grow room....i start by smoking about 1/2 of the joint with my coffee, then go out to the room and burn the rest after all the work is done and usually the lights go off and the exhaust fan kicks on and i burn the rest with them and say good night my sweet girls...then its back inside and rip on the bong for the rest of the day.:smokin:its tough being me!!!:D

[irene45]

hope you are all having a good day! i have managed to take some pics! they are 6 days old and bearing in mind they were over fed by the people who cloned them. im nursing them to health. so tell my what you think guys. you may see some yellow on the bottom leaves but i will be taking them off shortly. so please tell me what you think.
#thanks:thumbsup:
awwwwwwww me pics didnt load. grrrrrrrrr. quick quick wheres the joint need to calm down lol. xx

[irene45]

how can i get to speak to a moderater? as im trying to load pics for you to see. and when i click on browse then up load it comes up "page cannot be displayed, something wrong with your internet? yet im on the internet and when i run the diagnostic tool it tells me my internet is fine. is it because the pics are to big? it say jpeg. 1.96 mb. but my pic is 71.6 kb? helppppppppp. lol.
xx

[irene45]

hi all. well these are the pics of my babies. although they are on day 8. and due to the fact they were over fed before i got them. im treating today as day one now. now i have nursed them back to health. tell me what you think guys.:thumbsup:

[irene45]

gosh im having trouble putting pics on here... perhaps it wasnt ment to be.:mad:

[irene45]

blimey now i put it on twice haha. what you think guys

[bigtopsfinn]

Yup, looking much better :thumbsup:

[irene45]

pictures will get you more comments....descriptions are hard and you won't get accurate advice:thumbsup:

ive put some new pics on. will u have a look and tell me what u think. ive cut all the yellow leaves off. since the pics was taken.:thumbsup:

[stra8outtaWeed]

maybe its the light but check under your leaves to make sure you don't have any mites...i have seen too many clones in my time with mites...so it doesn't hurt to check to make sure all is clean.:thumbsup:

[irene45]

believe me im checking every day under and over leaves! and i can not see nothing out the ordinary. the yellow leaves which i took off, i showed them to some growers.. they had a good look at them and said that they had been over fed. i dont think the camera is doing justice for my babies. but will keep you posted.:thumbsup:

[irene45]

hi there.
is cheese plant an indica or sativa? and roughly what height should they be on day 9? roughly.

[irene45]

hi there.
is cheese plant an indica or sativa? and roughly what height should they be on day 9? roughly.
i got one plant that is 4 1/4 inch high. another at 3 3/4 high. another 4 1/2 high and last 3 1/4. all this is in inches. and there 9 days old? been told there cheese. so is this an average or below average height? plzzzzzzzzzzz :smokin:
i am doing this all on my own. i might be a pain. but im a cunt for wanting things to go right. ive showed you pics. although cam didnt do justice for them. and im reading.. educating myself.. but everyone needs a bit of help sometimes. come on guys n gals. help.

[bigtopsfinn]

Too many variables to give you a number. Some seedlings grow faster than others. Some clones root and grow faster than others, and are cut at different lengths than others. The environment, lighting and what you feed them are also factors. If they are growing, then you have nothing to worry about :)

[LetsSeeYa]

Too many variables to give you a number. Some seedlings grow faster than others. Some clones root and grow faster than others, and are cut at different lengths than others. The environment, lighting and what you feed them are also factors. If they are growing, then you have nothing to worry about :)

Hey Finn i dont think anyone could have put it any better:hippy:

New growth means your doing well, so just keep doing what your doing. If your plants were over fed, the plants are just healing and will be fine:thumbsup:

Good luck:rasta: