Legal Calif. pot? Some growers bummed

[pepurr]

Here is something that may be of interest.

Humboldt County worries about fallout if Californians vote to legalize.

Legalizing Calif. pot a worry for some growers - Life- msnbc.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36025681/ns/us_news-life/)

[leadmagnet]

No worries. The bottom won't fall out of the market with legalization in Kalifornia. It will just become a big exporting state, lol.

[khyberkitsune]

Here is something that may be of interest.

Humboldt County worries about fallout if Californians vote to legalize.

Legalizing Calif. pot a worry for some growers - Life- msnbc.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36025681/ns/us_news-life/)

Not my fault they didn't think of market diversity. Put all your eggs in one basket, watch what happens.

This is why I sell lights, not cannabis.

[LOC NAR on probation]

This is just like everything else. It's not what is good for the people.

It's all about I want to keep making the ILLEAGLE money. It's all about GREED.

What about the people ?

Selfish BASTARDS.

[ForgetClassC]

I think this is good, it gets rid of the people making money off of the crop, and makes it so people don't have to spend(as much) money to get it. Don't see the problems there.

-C

[khyberkitsune]

I think this is good, it gets rid of the people making money off of the crop, and makes it so people don't have to spend(as much) money to get it. Don't see the problems there.

-C



QFE - this is the main reason it bugs them.

Should've gone with some market diversity. There's always a market for consultation services just waiting to be explored in the cannabis sector.

[moody420]

This is just like everything else. It's not what is good for the people.

It's all about I want to keep making the ILLEAGLE money. It's all about GREED.

What about the people ?

Selfish BASTARDS.

exactly! I have a few grower friends who dont want it legal either. I grow, but for personal use and so i don't have to pay the high prices on the street and in the dispensaries. Actually, I can get it ALOT cheaper on the street than in the legal clubs set up for MMJ. If we are trying to prove that MMJ is better than pharmacuetical companys...then we should act like it and not jack up prices!

I'm all for legalization for everyone....freedom to make our own choices! :jointsmile:

[ShastaCoMan]

i cant wait until its legalized, and come november, ive got a sneaking suspicion its going to happen. if you read the article in the LA Times on the issue , theres a provision in the whole thing that gives the CITIES AND COUNTIES the okie dokie to grow and sell themselves. in shasta county, the moratoriums in the cities,ect started just about time they started talking legalization the last time around, which would lead a person to believe that they also feel its going to be legalized, giving them the opportunity to sort of "corner the market" so to speak.

as far as the bottom dropping out of the market, yes, i myself believe that if it is legalized, more people would be growing their own legally and the demand will go way down, so yes, it will sharply affect the illegal growers and sellers out there, and that my friends is whats going to get it passed. im with moody, i grow my own for my own personal use as i cant see paying those high ass prices for something i can grow myself. as soon as its legalized, there will be MJ cafe's opening up everywere and prices will be LOW.


im 100000000000% for complete and total legalization. californias always the example state, so hopefully if its legalized here, other states will follw suite

[WashougalWonder]

This is all great, wonderful in fact, but the average grower will not produce Grade AA weed. Even the cafe's will have inconsistent weed. Cost will be the same and risk is gone, so the reduction in price should be good all around as the grower can grow more to compensate. If they grow good stuff they will always have their product in demand.

Every Tom, Dick, and Harry will grow. Only a few will really have awesome stuff, about the same as now, with a flood of garbage. Folks will be forced to grow their own to avoid the rip-offs that will occur.

[bigtopsfinn]

I don't understand how the world's best cannabis can only be grown in Humboldt... :wtf: What a load of crap.

[pepurr]

I don't understand how the world's best cannabis can only be grown in Humboldt... :wtf: What a load of crap.

Yeah, that is a load of crap. The best weed I ever smoked came from Vietnam, and that was back in 1975. Even to this day, I have never smoked pot that could match it.

I think the growers who are worried about price drops are being silly. They should take a lesson from the micro-breweries. Some of the best beer or ale I have ever drank came from micro-breweries. They found a notch and are doing very well. Once in Seattle I found some ale called Dirty Bastard Ale, if my memory serves me. That stuff tasted so good. It was more expensive than the others, but worth every dime. :hippy:

[moody420]

This is all great, wonderful in fact, but the average grower will not produce Grade AA weed. Even the cafe's will have inconsistent weed. Cost will be the same and risk is gone, so the reduction in price should be good all around as the grower can grow more to compensate. If they grow good stuff they will always have their product in demand.

Every Tom, Dick, and Harry will grow. Only a few will really have awesome stuff, about the same as now, with a flood of garbage. Folks will be forced to grow their own to avoid the rip-offs that will occur.

The reason MJ is so expensive is because it is illegal! Take that away and yes, it's a plant that anyone can grow themselves...causing the cost to go down.

I know people keep saying that when it becomes legal EVERYONE will start growing....but let's think about that for a minute. Starting a grow room (even a small one) takes a pretty hefty initial investment. Grow lights are anywhere from $150 to $800 and that's just for light! Then you've got pots, soil, nutes, mylar, pest control, timers, temp gauges, ph testers....etc! It's not something that everyone is going to find worth their time. We are all growers on this thread and do it cause we love it and enjoy it as a hobby. Most people imo would rather just walk into a store and buy a bag of weed and be on their way.

Big time commercial growers may have to lower their prices but that's because they will have more competition since it's legal. But people will also probably be smoking more since the cost is down and it's legal! So commercial growers will still be making money! If they grow good shit, people will buy it!

I think it's a bit big headed for mendocino to claim they have the best bud in the WORLD. They have ideal grow conditions which makes them a great place to grow outdoor. But in the day and age of indoor growing....those natural conditions don't matter much. I've smoked weed from all over....cali, BC, I've even been to Amsterdam....you find quality weed when you find quality growers! And there are people all around the world that love the ganja! :jointsmile:

[death2sukas]

The reason MJ is so expensive is because it is illegal! Take that away and yes, it's a plant that anyone can grow themselves...causing the cost to go down.

I know people keep saying that when it becomes legal EVERYONE will start growing....but let's think about that for a minute. Starting a grow room (even a small one) takes a pretty hefty initial investment. Grow lights are anywhere from $150 to $800 and that's just for light! Then you've got pots, soil, nutes, mylar, pest control, timers, temp gauges, ph testers....etc! It's not something that everyone is going to find worth their time. We are all growers on this thread and do it cause we love it and enjoy it as a hobby. Most people imo would rather just walk into a store and buy a bag of weed and be on their way.

Big time commercial growers may have to lower their prices but that's because they will have more competition since it's legal. But people will also probably be smoking more since the cost is down and it's legal! So commercial growers will still be making money! If they grow good shit, people will buy it!

I think it's a bit big headed for mendocino to claim they have the best bud in the WORLD. They have ideal grow conditions which makes them a great place to grow outdoor. But in the day and age of indoor growing....those natural conditions don't matter much. I've smoked weed from all over....cali, BC, I've even been to Amsterdam....you find quality weed when you find quality growers! And there are people all around the world that love the ganja! :jointsmile:

I agree with most of what you said.

its going to be good and bad for everyone...


i personally think legalizing it is a mistake. i feel like its being presented as a great thing for growers/users/etc but really its a great thing for the government...(at least on the state level)...all its going to do is help finance their lifestyles (you know those pricks make bank and dont do shit to get it).

Im not for legalizing it if it just puts money into the state/gov. which is what they're going to do...they are gonna tax $50 onto every ounce. thats BS.

when we get down to this side of it i'd rather give my money to the grower/middle man dealer involved w/ prop 215 like it is now than give it to some old fat fuck who has only his interests in mind.


i do think it would be good for the users and medicinal patients to make it more widely available and affordable.


growers may have more competition (if just anyone can start up a grow) but i also think they will get more business since its completely legal to posses an ounce for anyone over 21...so i think more MJ users will surface.

not everyone can afford to grow; have the resources (time, money, etc.); or flat out care enough to grow when then can just buy it.

if you think about it anyone can go buy a beer making kit and make their own beer...but how many people do that? instead they go to the store and get their beers there...am i right?

same thing with growing.

the prices will come down but since it would be legal statewide (and assuming your bud is dank) you can simply run ad's on craigslist or wherever (like prop 215 growers do now). you could take your product to flee markets. you could advertise.

so i think if you grow good weed you will always be in business....i just prefer the state/gov not profit off of this as they have thrown people in jail forever for all these offenses...now they will let you go free as long as they profit off your grow... i dont agree with that. that is plain wrong and i hope the people of CA see how shady this all really is.

its not fair to all the people who had to sit in jail and pay fines, etc.

[khyberkitsune]

Yeah, that is a load of crap. The best weed I ever smoked came from Vietnam, and that was back in 1975. Even to this day, I have never smoked pot that could match it.

I think the growers who are worried about price drops are being silly. They should take a lesson from the micro-breweries. Some of the best beer or ale I have ever drank came from micro-breweries. They found a notch and are doing very well. Once in Seattle I found some ale called Dirty Bastard Ale, if my memory serves me. That stuff tasted so good. It was more expensive than the others, but worth every dime. :hippy:

The reason Asian marijuanas are so strong is the concentration of THC-V, which gives the INSTANT hard-hitting head-buzz.

But it doesn't last long, as THC-V breaks down rapidly after introduction to the bloodstream.

I have a supplier in Weed, CA that has one of the strongest Thai strains and is working on mixing it with PK to make a massive knock-you-out stone weed for those with massive insomnia.

other than that, given enough access to strains I'd be willing to bet I'd be able to create a strain that'd knock your dick into the dirt so hard you'd catch a charge for raping the earth.

[moody420]

other than that, given enough access to strains I'd be willing to bet I'd be able to create a strain that'd knock your dick into the dirt so hard you'd catch a charge for raping the earth.


Now that's some dank! haha! :jointsmile:

[moody420]

I agree with most of what you said.

its going to be good and bad for everyone...


i personally think legalizing it is a mistake. i feel like its being presented as a great thing for growers/users/etc but really its a great thing for the government...(at least on the state level)...all its going to do is help finance their lifestyles (you know those pricks make bank and dont do shit to get it).

Im not for legalizing it if it just puts money into the state/gov. which is what they're going to do...they are gonna tax $50 onto every ounce. thats BS.

when we get down to this side of it i'd rather give my money to the grower/middle man dealer involved w/ prop 215 like it is now than give it to some old fat fuck who has only his interests in mind.


i do think it would be good for the users and medicinal patients to make it more widely available and affordable.


growers may have more competition (if just anyone can start up a grow) but i also think they will get more business since its completely legal to posses an ounce for anyone over 21...so i think more MJ users will surface.

not everyone can afford to grow; have the resources (time, money, etc.); or flat out care enough to grow when then can just buy it.

if you think about it anyone can go buy a beer making kit and make their own beer...but how many people do that? instead they go to the store and get their beers there...am i right?

same thing with growing.

the prices will come down but since it would be legal statewide (and assuming your bud is dank) you can simply run ad's on craigslist or wherever (like prop 215 growers do now). you could take your product to flee markets. you could advertise.

so i think if you grow good weed you will always be in business....i just prefer the state/gov not profit off of this as they have thrown people in jail forever for all these offenses...now they will let you go free as long as they profit off your grow... i dont agree with that. that is plain wrong and i hope the people of CA see how shady this all really is.

its not fair to all the people who had to sit in jail and pay fines, etc.

I hear what you are saying.....but unfortunately the govt. has their damn fingers in everything! I don't like it either...but if it eliminates the chance of running into a dickhead cop who arrests me for possessing weed....i'm all for it! People should not have their lives torn apart from smoking weed. Even having my 215 card, I still fear being busted for growing....I don't want that fear anymore....I want to be free to live my life as I choose! :jointsmile:

[pepurr]

The reason Asian marijuanas are so strong is the concentration of THC-V, which gives the INSTANT hard-hitting head-buzz.

But it doesn't last long, as THC-V breaks down rapidly after introduction to the bloodstream.

I have a supplier in Weed, CA that has one of the strongest Thai strains and is working on mixing it with PK to make a massive knock-you-out stone weed for those with massive insomnia.

other than that, given enough access to strains I'd be willing to bet I'd be able to create a strain that'd knock your dick into the dirt so hard you'd catch a charge for raping the earth.

I had never heard of THC-V, so I looked it up:


THCV is found in largest quantities in Cannabis sativa subsp. indica strains. Some varieties that produce propyl cannabinoids in significant amounts, over five percent of total cannabinoids, have been found in plants from South Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa), Nigeria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria), Afghanistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan), India (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India), Pakistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan) and Nepal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nepal) with THCV as high as 53.69% of total cannabinoids.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrahydrocannabivarin#cite_note-1) They usually have moderate to high levels of both THC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/THC) and Cannabidiol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabidiol) (CBD) and hence have a complex cannabinoid chemistry representing some of the world's most exotic cannabis varieties.

I still stand by what I said though. On the other hand, if you or anyone else can produce pot better than that Nam weed, I salute you. Also if you do, give me a hit. :rastasmoke:

[leadmagnet]

its not fair to all the people who had to sit in jail and pay fines, etc.

Are you saying cannabis should remain illegal because making it legal isn't fair to all those who have been arrested?

You HAVE GOT TO be freakin kiddin us.

[mohjong]

Maybe we should make the greedy growers more bummed by planting seeds at local parks and sidewalks once it passed.

[pepurr]

Maybe we should make the greedy growers more bummed by planting seeds at local parks and sidewalks once it passed.


I think everyone who has a bunch of seeds sitting around should throw them all over the place. Every place you go spread seeds. :thumbsup:

[stra8outtaWeed]

I don't understand how the world's best cannabis can only be grown in Humboldt... :wtf: What a load of crap.

you nailed it bro....i have a cousin who lives over their and they are so full of themselves....they think they walk on water....when in all reality it was the guerrilla growers of the backwoods past that has goven Humboldt its reputation not the indoor monkeys of today :cool:

[demoreal]

seriously,
this is all my opinion:
i do not think it will be legal.
the pro marijuana group is now two groups.
you can all kind of see the two groups I am talking about.
I just don't think it will happen.
am i crazy or do people really think this is the year it will happen?

[demoreal]

you nailed it bro....i have a cousin who lives over their and they are so full of themselves....they think they walk on water....when in all reality it was the guerrilla growers of the backwoods past that has goven Humboldt its reputation not the indoor monkeys of today :cool:
don't be mean. I live In Northern California. That is the way it is though. :D

[stra8outtaWeed]

don't be mean. I live In Northern California. That is the way it is though. :D

i am as far north as you can get w/o being an Oregonian...not being mean..just calling it as i see it....and acknowledging that we have growers around the globe that grow just as good quality as they do...it is naive in this day and age to live off of the laurels of the ones who put the place on the map....they grow good herb in Humbodlt but i get tired of when they come to visit and your grows are dissed because you live one county over...its the attitude that rubs you raw:hippy:

[dirtnap411]

I've had herb from just about every county in the northstate, and some from SoCal, it's got very little to do with location, and a lot to do with skill and genetics. :thumbsup:

[demoreal]

there is just as much crap weed in northern cal than there is good weed.
one thing for sure is there is a lot of good genetics floating around this area.
You can find good weed and crap weed just about anywhere in the world.

[stra8outtaWeed]

there is just as much crap weed in northern cal than there is good weed.
one thing for sure is there is a lot of good genetics floating around this area.
You can find good weed and crap weed just about anywhere in the world.

i will agree on that...we do have alot of good genetic floating around our area...growing up here i did not realize how spoiled we were...i thought good weed was everywhere..now with social networking and forums like this we can see that we are not the end all of good herb...so the folks in Humboldt don't have the corner....they just have more growers per capita:jointsmile:

[bigtopsfinn]

there is just as much crap weed in northern cal than there is good weed.
one thing for sure is there is a lot of good genetics floating around this area.
You can find good weed and crap weed just about anywhere in the world.

:thumbsup:

One thing that really gets to me are these "guarded strains", "only passed around to good friends" etc.. If the NorCal growers were so good, they would be breeding with all those good genetics, and selling beans so the rest of the world can share the experience. Granted it's a little hard with clone-only strains to match the parent plant, but I don't see the point of hoarding good genetics other than to be a douche. :twocents:

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

do y really think its going to be legal and qrowers will grow with wild abandon. walking down the street tripping over unused buds and containers they were held in...comon. legal to possess but not legal to grow. its all illegal dont forget that. you might have a nice crop of 50 plant and in walks a federal badge....hey peter, watch your cornhole:(

[pepurr]

All them Humbodlt Co. growers should (said with Arnold's accent) quit being a gurley man and go change their diapers.

Yeah, they definitely don't have the market cornered on bad ass weed. In fact, I hear stories about how much stronger herb is today than it was 20 years ago, and I say bull crap. No doubt there is some killer stuff out there, but there was some really killer weed out there 20 years ago. If anything, there is just more of it available today.

People should quit being so damn selfish and greedy. The last thing we need is to have division among us marijuana advocates. :rastasmoke:

[redtails]

If anything, there is just more of it available today.


That's what they mean, on average the pot today is "better" through selective breedings and more optimal propogation techniques.

[pepurr]

Back in the day, one couldn't walk into the local store and get some Kona Gold or Thai Stick. Lucky for me I always knew a lot of people in the military. In the 70's all kinds of good stuff was coming from Southeast Asia. I would wager that a goodly portion of the genetics you find here today were brought here by way military who served there. :rastasmoke:

[msmatters]

Farmers didn't care about me when I could not pay for marijuana so I can't care about them now. Grow your own and put the dispensaries out of business. I only smoke what I grow.

[69slinkys]

Actually if you read the purposed bill the demand for medicinal canibus will increase because it will be cheaper than anything for rec.

anything grown for rec use will be taxed $50 per ounce where as anything grown for medicinal use will not be. that comes to an $800 mark up per pound.