hb10-1284 set to be voted on tomorrow

[MMDInsuranceCo]

Tomorrow from 1:30 to 7pm the Colorado House will come together at the state capitol building in Denver to vote on HB10-1284.

The bill creates the medical marijuana licensing authority in the department of revenue. Much of the language of the bill treats dispensaries as liquor stores or cabarets, a stance that patients and caregivers donâ??t relish.

The bill is forty-five pages long. Here are some of the highlights or lowlights depending on where you stand:

â?¢ A primary caregiver may serve no more than 5 patients on the registry at one time, unless the department allows more patients due to exceptional circumstances.
â?¢ Imposes a one-year moratorium on the opening of new medical marijuana centers.
â?¢ Make a request by January 1, 2012, to the Federal Drug Enforcement Administration to consider rescheduling, for pharmaceutical purposes, marijuana from a schedule 1 controlled substance to a schedule 2 controlled substance.
â?¢ Health and Sanitary requirements; Practices designed to avoid an undue increase in the consumption of medical marijuana.
â?¢ Local Licensing: A decision approving a medical marijuana center license may include a limit on the number of patients the center may serve in order to meet the needs and necessities of the neighborhood.
â?¢ The medical marijuana licensing authority determines the licenses already granted for the particular locality are adequate for the reasonable needs of the community based on the testimony and evidence of the medical needs and necessity of the potential customers for the approval of the license at the proposed location for the sale of the medical marijuana.
â?¢ Would not allow a natural person with a misdemeanor to obtain a license to operate a medical marijuana center.
â?¢ This article does not prohibit a political subdivision of this state from limiting the number of medical marijuana centers that may operate in the political subdivision or from enacting reasonable zoning regulations applicable to medical marijuana centers based on local government zoning, health, and safety laws for the distribution of medical marijuana.
â?¢ A medical marijuana center shall be a Colorado nonprofit corporation, but need not be designated as a nonprofit corporation by the Federal Government.
â?¢ What constitutes â??Significant responsibility for managing the well-being of a patientâ?�; except that the act of supplying medical marijuana or marijuana paraphernalia, by itself, is insufficient to constitute â??significant responsibility for managing the well being of a patient
â?¢ Two or more primary caregivers may not join together for the purpose of cultivating marijuana

After the vote tomorrow, look for a follow-up article. Until then, check out a letter to the Colorado House and Senate by local medical marijuana advocate and attorney Robert J. Corry Jr. here.

Call your local Representatives and Senators, whether for or against the bill. House 1-800-811-7647 Senate 1-888-473-8136

Colorado House to vote on HB10-1284 (http://www.examiner.com/x-30936-Denver-Medical-Marijuana-Examiner~y2010m3d21-Colorado-House-to-vote-on-HB101284)

[copobo]

is this current? the bill to be voted on has all of these provisions?

[ColoradoCareMMJ]

If this passes it will only prove that our ELECTED representatives don't give a shit about the patients of Colorado. This bill is bad for patients, caregivers and dispensaries. The only people it will benefit is the conservative assholes who are trying to shut this whole industry down....

[Vancefish]

If this passes it will only prove that our ELECTED representatives don't give a shit about the patients of Colorado. This bill is bad for patients, caregivers and dispensaries. The only people it will benefit is the conservative assholes who are trying to shut this whole industry down....

Agreed! As I've said before. This bill will essentially make MMJ illegal again. It has more loop holes then a slinky. Yet somehow I still hear people thinking it's acceptable as a compromise:mad:.

I think it'll turn patients back to the black market. Thus loosing the taxes our cities REALLY need right now(overspending I think):D

[mmjman]

Down with HB-1284 and any kind of further regulation. I'm sick and tired of the endless regulation and taxation of everything on the planet. Enough already!

[HighPopalorum]

Well... being a small town boy, I'll take the unpopular position: I think it's great that towns will be able to license, control and/or ban dispensaries all together. Local zoning and licensing is the only thing that keeps my city (and the West slope) from turning into a salted, paved, polluted three hundred mile long strip mall. I'm GLAD my city is able to regulate and tax local businesses, and glad this bill confirms us in that role. To my mind, the local option is one of the positive elements of the bill that should be weighed against the rest.

[ColoradoCareMMJ]

Well... being a small town boy, I'll take the unpopular position: I think it's great that towns will be able to license, control and/or ban dispensaries all together. Local zoning and licensing is the only thing that keeps my city (and the West slope) from turning into a salted, paved, polluted three hundred mile long strip mall. I'm GLAD my city is able to regulate and tax local businesses, and glad this bill confirms us in that role. To my mind, the local option is one of the positive elements of the bill that should be weighed against the rest.

You know what would be really great, maybe cities and states can tell us where we can and cannot live too huh?? Maybe they wil even give me one of those cool serial number tattoos and I can change my name from bryan to citizen #50394847. They will attach me to living domicile #02938 R and then they can tell me what woman to marry and procreate with too....

What ever happend to a free market? In a time of a failing economy and when commercial rentals are at their highest vacancy ever AND a defecit at the state budget is it really wise to start banning business?

This industry will NEVER go away, why not capatilize and legitimize it? This bill is a step in the wrong direction for everyone involved. Oh well, except for the tight assed closed mind conservatives who will throw a tantrum if they dont always get their way.


RELEGALIZE CANNABIS OR CRIMINALIZE ALCOHOL AND TOBACCO.

If public safety is the biggest concern, you must criminalize alcohol and tobacco to justify the continued persecution of cannabis, otherwise I demand the immediate legalization of cannabis, the release of all persons jailed for cannabis charges and compensation for time spent imprisoned.

[pepurr]

Law makers have a vested interest in making laws. What would ever become of our poor law makers if one day it was decided that a law has been made for everything in existence? They would start making laws concerning things that don't exist. :thumbsup:

Oops! They have already done that when they made laws to ban 'Killer Weed'. The problem with weed was non-existent, but they made a law anyway. :wtf:

Hey, who could blame them. In these tough times, it makes good sense to protect your job. Law makers do just that by thinking of ever more clever laws to debate and pass. Most of them don't make sense, but who cares? At least our beloved law makers have a job. :rastasmoke:

[HighPopalorum]

You know what would be really great, maybe cities and states can tell us where we can and cannot live too huh??


We do that already, and I'm glad we do. Zoning laws are left to the city and/or county, which is as it should be. While I probably wouldn't be bothered by a dispensary in my neighborhood, I'd most definitely be pissed if someone built a min-storage center or a brake pad factory. Local control gives citizens influence over how their communities look, the direction in which they grow, and what sorts of businesses are permitted in different areas. We also have a design and review board which must approve every commercial structure and most residential buildings in the city, once they've been licensed. None of this local control has prevented dispensaries (or other businesses) from thriving, but it has preserved a great deal of the town's character and charm.

[TurboALLWD]

Well said Bryan! :thumbsup: Some people just don't have a clue, they'll let any level of government walk all over them.




Well... being a small town boy, I'll take the unpopular position: I think it's great that towns will be able to license, control and/or ban dispensaries all together. Local zoning and licensing is the only thing that keeps my city (and the West slope) from turning into a salted, paved, polluted three hundred mile long strip mall. I'm GLAD my city is able to regulate and tax local businesses, and glad this bill confirms us in that role. To my mind, the local option is one of the positive elements of the bill that should be weighed against the rest.

45 pages of bullshit and you think that can be weighed against what you believe to be one single positive element? :wtf: Can't say I'm in agreeance with you there, come to think of it I've never agreed with you.

[palerider7777]

If this passes it will only prove that our ELECTED representatives don't give a shit about the patients of Colorado. This bill is bad for patients, caregivers and dispensaries. The only people it will benefit is the conservative assholes who are trying to shut this whole industry down....

i did'nt know romer was a conservative?

[palerider7777]

We do that already, and I'm glad we do. Zoning laws are left to the city and/or county, which is as it should be. While I probably wouldn't be bothered by a dispensary in my neighborhood, I'd most definitely be pissed if someone built a min-storage center or a brake pad factory. Local control gives citizens influence over how their communities look, the direction in which they grow, and what sorts of businesses are permitted in different areas. We also have a design and review board which must approve every commercial structure and most residential buildings in the city, once they've been licensed. None of this local control has prevented dispensaries (or other businesses) from thriving, but it has preserved a great deal of the town's character and charm.
yea i've seen that first hand when i moved to a small town in the mountains.it gave off that good ole boy feel to it.you know the one where they do everything they can to only allow who they want to live there.then anyone else that moves in that was'nt born there is fucked with until they leave.these same towns bitch about how poor they are and why they can't be big like breck or vail.maybe it's because of all the speed traps and all the other bs they do to prey off the people riding through?

[ColoradoCareMMJ]

We do that already, and I'm glad we do. Zoning laws are left to the city and/or county, which is as it should be. While I probably wouldn't be bothered by a dispensary in my neighborhood, I'd most definitely be pissed if someone built a min-storage center or a brake pad factory. Local control gives citizens influence over how their communities look, the direction in which they grow, and what sorts of businesses are permitted in different areas. We also have a design and review board which must approve every commercial structure and most residential buildings in the city, once they've been licensed. None of this local control has prevented dispensaries (or other businesses) from thriving, but it has preserved a great deal of the town's character and charm.

Personally I think the invisible hand should choose. If the market can support 100,000 dispensaries then so be it. In fact id love to see every empty building become a dispensary or a grow.

[wb1996]

We do that already, and I'm glad we do. Zoning laws are left to the city and/or county, which is as it should be. While I probably wouldn't be bothered by a dispensary in my neighborhood, I'd most definitely be pissed if someone built a min-storage center or a brake pad factory. Local control gives citizens influence over how their communities look, the direction in which they grow, and what sorts of businesses are permitted in different areas. We also have a design and review board which must approve every commercial structure and most residential buildings in the city, once they've been licensed. None of this local control has prevented dispensaries (or other businesses) from thriving, but it has preserved a great deal of the town's character and charm. I think you have been drinking to much cool aid just like Obama. You have been brainwashed by the liberal media and you need to think for you're self. What ever happened to America, the constitution , and the basic freedoms that this document gives us. Our founding fathers never intended for the government to control every aspect of life. People in America have forgotten that there is a price to freedom and that means that people must be willing to let the individual make his or her own choice as to what color you're house is our that they want to take there own land and build a MMJ disp. on it heaven forbid. So I guess if you like big brother so much you should move to europe and then maybe you would stop writing all of this bull shit. You little liberal pussies think you no what's best for a community or country and you are willing to force you're own anti american views on people that do not want it. After what happened in washington last night[ socialist healthcare for all] the left's days are numbered, so watch what happens in november. On that great day we have the chance to throw out all of the assholes in washington that have similar views as you. So I hope to GOD that this bill does not pass because the MMJ patients in colorado demand to be treated with respect. Remember we voted for MMJ and it is the states duty to up hold the law no matter what they think. If this passes tommorow we must vote them out in november even if you do not usually vote. If all card holders voted we could change things, do not give up because that is what they want you to do.

[HighPopalorum]

Big brother? Please. I'm the one arguing for local control. You're arguing for the status quo. No regulation means the DEA riding around the state like cowboys, while the staties twist in the political winds every four years. A certain level of regulation is unavoidable. Dispensaries are going to be like any other businesses in our state, and that means codes, taxes and yes, regulation. It is not realistic to expect to operate a retail business without having to comply with laws facing other businesses. The best thing that can be done to this bill is to amend it to ameliorate the intolerable, while introducing new language to provide additional protections for patients. Delay and improve, but killing it is risky: the next time a bill comes up, there's no guarantee the sponsors will be willing to make the same concessions.

In November, the State House is going to switch over to Republican control, meaning they will set the legislative agenda and Republican lawmakers will write the next medical marijuana bill. We've got seven months to get dispensaries written into law if we want to be sure of keeping them. All bets are off after that. I can't underscore this last bit enough: in seven months, the window for ANY positive legislation, ANY chance to legitimize dispensaries in the state will close. We have time, but not to waste.

[Vancefish]

Romer is not an actual conservative. He is a NEO-conservative.

A neoconservative is essentially a very PRO world government democrat. Because they believe in large government, spending themselves into control, and a ONE world government who controls everything.

Essentially the same thing as 98% of what we call an actual democrat!

The republican party was taken over by neoconservatives around 50-60 years ago. Since then, we have essentially been two parties arguing over the exact same stance and opinions.

It's called the false, left/right paradigm!

As for you highpopalorum,

You absolutely MUST be a leo troll. Either that or your highly under educated in history. You know the old saying "power corrupts"? Well in todays USA, it's currently corrupted absolutely!

We the "free-st" country in the world, imprison more of our population then ANY other country. OUR law says quite clearly that unless you hurt someone(fiscally, physically, or their property) there is NO CASE! If there is no proof, There is NO CASE! If a law contradicts this "ultimate" law. Then it is VOID!

We are supposed to have free and open business! For generations people swarmed to the US. Mostly because, for the first time in recorded,world and family history,.. THEY TOO could have a business. Thus not be enslaved by the government, and the few rich families!

Today, people blame the industries for leaving the country and moving to China. Yet the only reason these companies did this is???

Over regulation of business, over taxation of business, and all the fees involved and forced on a US business. By who??

Our government??

Not exactly. Our government is controlled by the big banks these days. Pretty much since 1913!! That is when our government handed over control (read the book: The Creature from Jekyll Island by G. Edward Griffin)!

Now they are nothing more then VERY well payed puppets. Almost ALL of which would sell their mother for a bigger piece of YOUR paycheck.

Every law today, that puts a person in jail, who hurt NO BODY! Is a travesty against our GOD GIVEN rights.

If GOD didn't give me my rights. Then a man did!(BTW).

If a man gave me my rights. Then another man, can take them away!

If GOD gave me my rights. Then NO man can take them away!

If ANY of this got through??,... Start reading before you live in a government issued, cardboard box!

Chip scan please!

[lampost]

I think you have been drinking to much cool aid just like Obama. You have been brainwashed by the liberal media and you need to think for you're self. What ever happened to America, the constitution , and the basic freedoms that this document gives us. Our founding fathers never intended for the government to control every aspect of life. People in America have forgotten that there is a price to freedom and that means that people must be willing to let the individual make his or her own choice as to what color you're house is our that they want to take there own land and build a MMJ disp. on it heaven forbid. So I guess if you like big brother so much you should move to europe and then maybe you would stop writing all of this bull shit. You little liberal pussies think you no what's best for a community or country and you are willing to force you're own anti american views on people that do not want it. After what happened in washington last night[ socialist healthcare for all] the left's days are numbered, so watch what happens in november. On that great day we have the chance to throw out all of the assholes in washington that have similar views as you. So I hope to GOD that this bill does not pass because the MMJ patients in colorado demand to be treated with respect. Remember we voted for MMJ and it is the states duty to up hold the law no matter what they think. If this passes tommorow we must vote them out in november even if you do not usually vote. If all card holders voted we could change things, do not give up because that is what they want you to do.

Wow that sounds like it could've come directly from Glenn Beck's mouth!

Healthcare is fucked in this country. If you think the left is wrong for trying to make healthcare about people's HEALTH rather than profit, then I truly feel sorry for you. Its scary how easy it is for the right to get people to vote against their own interests.

And don't spew your liberal attacks at me as I'm an independent.

[palerider7777]

Wow that sounds like it could've come directly from Glenn Beck's mouth!

Healthcare is fucked in this country. If you think the left is wrong for trying to make healthcare about people's HEALTH rather than profit, then I truly feel sorry for you. Its scary how easy it is for the right to get people to vote against their own interests.

And don't spew your liberal attacks at me as I'm an independent.

i was'nt gunna go into it but since you jumped on the im better than you and smarter band wagon not to long ago....

no people don't think the left is wrong for trying to make healthcare about the peoples health.if that was the case im sure people would be all for it.

in the bill where it says this plan would be competitive with the current market.couple that with the what it says about if you don't fall in line and buy the plan you will be fined.to me that shows me that this will be like any other ins plan you will have to buy it.so how is it any diffrent than what we have now?ofcorse they through in a few no brainers like childern can stay on the plan and so on.all of which by the way could have just been regulated without all the other bs in this bill.

if this was going to be free like in the uk and other places why would'nt anyone sign up to it? why would they even have in the bill if you don't do as we say you will be fined? does that not express to you a fee based system? all of which btw they would not talk about at all and when asked polosi says pass the bill then you can see whats in it,really?


sounds like the same system we have now but now the gov gets most of the pie.it's def not free like people think.how is this gunna help all the people that don't have ins now?"the reason the people that don't have ins now is because they have no money"which only makes this all but redundant in effect?

plz explain to me how this bill is for the people and not for profit??:smokin:

[HighPopalorum]

How come we have no update on what happened today? Even google does not know....

[HighPopalorum]

It moves forward.


The House Judiciary Committee approved a highly amended measure today that would lead to the creation of medical marijuana centers in the state.

The new centers would operate much like the many dispensaries that have cropped up in the past year only with stricter regulations.

House Bill 1284 would require the centers to obtain a license from the state and still abide by whatever zoning regulations are approved by local governments.

Those new regulations include requiring each marijuana sale to be digitally recorded, sale areas to be limited to patients authorized to use the herb, and anyone convicted of a felony would be barred from opening a center for at least five years.

Dispensaries and caregivers that opt not to get state licensing would be limited to serving no more than five patients, but those that operate in areas of the state that ban centers altogether would be allowed to serve up to 16 patients.

The controversial measure heads to the House Appropriations Committee for more debate.

[ColoradoCareMMJ]

It moves forward.

1 step forward 6 steps back......:wtf:

[HighPopalorum]

Were you there? What were the amendments? I think it will be a while before they post the amended version.

EDIT:


House Bill 1284, which looks to create a regulatory framework for medical marijuana dispensaries, survived a narrow, party-line vote in the House Judiciary Committee this afternoon.

The sponsor, Republican state Rep. Tom Massey of Poncha Springs, failed to get any fellow Republican committee members to vote his way. But, with Democrats holding majorities at the Capitol, he didn't need to.

The bill was amended Monday so that it now prevents individual towns and cities from banning dispensaries within their own city limits. Lawmakers said that communities already have the power to license and zone medical marijuana providers and that a ban is unnecessary.

Another amendment, that could have allowed veterans suffering from post traumatic stress disorder to be able to use medical marijuana, was voted down, as a majority of lawmakers felt like they shouldn't be making medical decisions.

[HighPopalorum]

Denver Daily - A more patient-friendly bill? (http://www.thedenverdailynews.com/article.php?aID=7737)

More details. Can't wait to read the bill.

[palerider7777]

Meanwhile, Massey said earlier this month that the vertical integration model is necessary so the marijuana can be tracked. The measure would effectively shut down independent grow operations that donâ??t team up with dispensaries.

i don't like this to much.

[wb1996]

Wow that sounds like it could've come directly from Glenn Beck's mouth!

Healthcare is fucked in this country. If you think the left is wrong for trying to make healthcare about people's HEALTH rather than profit, then I truly feel sorry for you. Its scary how easy it is for the right to get people to vote against their own interests.
T
And don't spew your liberal attacks at me as I'm an independent.
Was I talking to you, I do not think so. Just because I believe in states
rights and a small federal government does not make me Glen Beck. But now that you have brought it up, that idiot glen want's to legalize marijuana and stands on the peoples side, and he is not a conservative he is a libertarian so why is that so bad? The fact is there are still a few good dems out there but not many. The Dems, just like the republicans, have been highjacked by progressives and that is why this country is falling apart. People love to talk about how our healthcare system is so fucked, but when you compare it to the rest of the world it is so much better than most. Yes we need to fix some things in the industry but giving all the power to Obama is a stoopid thing to do. That dumb ass has not kept one promise except pass some bull shit bill that forces me to buy insurance I do not want. When all these liberals try to tell me I must have something I do not want I big red flag goes up in my head. I tore my ACL in my knee a week ago and I am getting surgery next week so I am dealing with this issue right now and I will tell you one thing for sure I am glad I am in america to get my surgery. My dad is a doctor and he told me a funny story the other day. If this government controlled health care shit is so good then why did the Prime minister of Nova Scotia come to my dads practice to get operated on. He knows are system is better and that is why he came to the USA and payed out of pocket to get the best care in the world. If people keep fucking with our doctors we are going to be sorry. I am an independent myself and all I have to say is it is time for a third party.

[wb1996]

Was I talking to you, I do not think so. Just because I believe in states
rights and a small federal government does not make me Glen Beck. But now that you have brought it up, that idiot glen want's to legalize marijuana and stands on the peoples side, and he is not a conservative he is a libertarian so why is that so bad? The fact is there are still a few good dems out there but not many. The Dems, just like the republicans, have been highjacked by progressives and that is why this country is falling apart. People love to talk about how our healthcare system is so fucked, but when you compare it to the rest of the world it is so much better than most. Yes we need to fix some things in the industry but giving all the power to Obama is a stoopid thing to do. That dumb ass has not kept one promise except pass some bull shit bill that forces me to buy insurance I do not want. When all these liberals try to tell me I must have something I do not want I big red flag goes up in my head. I tore my ACL in my knee a week ago and I am getting surgery next week so I am dealing with this issue right now and I will tell you one thing for sure I am glad I am in america to get my surgery. My dad is a doctor and he told me a funny story the other day. If this government controlled health care shit is so good then why did the Prime minister of Nova Scotia come to my dads practice to get operated on. He knows are system is better and that is why he came to the USA and payed out of pocket to get the best care in the world. If people keep fucking with our doctors we are going to be sorry. I am an independent myself and all I have to say is it is time for a third party.

After thinking a little last night I am going to keep the politics out of my posts for the most part. This site is so cool because it puts you in touch with so many like minded people. So instead of talking about politics I will stick to the good ol' herb.

[wb1996]

Tomorrow from 1:30 to 7pm the Colorado House will come together at the state capitol building in Denver to vote on HB10-1284.

The bill creates the medical marijuana licensing authority in the department of revenue. Much of the language of the bill treats dispensaries as liquor stores or cabarets, a stance that patients and caregivers donâ??t relish.

The bill is forty-five pages long. Here are some of the highlights or lowlights depending on where you stand:

â?¢ A primary caregiver may serve no more than 5 patients on the registry at one time, unless the department allows more patients due to exceptional circumstances.
â?¢ Imposes a one-year moratorium on the opening of new medical marijuana centers.
â?¢ Make a request by January 1, 2012, to the Federal Drug Enforcement Administration to consider rescheduling, for pharmaceutical purposes, marijuana from a schedule 1 controlled substance to a schedule 2 controlled substance.
â?¢ Health and Sanitary requirements; Practices designed to avoid an undue increase in the consumption of medical marijuana.
â?¢ Local Licensing: A decision approving a medical marijuana center license may include a limit on the number of patients the center may serve in order to meet the needs and necessities of the neighborhood.
â?¢ The medical marijuana licensing authority determines the licenses already granted for the particular locality are adequate for the reasonable needs of the community based on the testimony and evidence of the medical needs and necessity of the potential customers for the approval of the license at the proposed location for the sale of the medical marijuana.
â?¢ Would not allow a natural person with a misdemeanor to obtain a license to operate a medical marijuana center.
â?¢ This article does not prohibit a political subdivision of this state from limiting the number of medical marijuana centers that may operate in the political subdivision or from enacting reasonable zoning regulations applicable to medical marijuana centers based on local government zoning, health, and safety laws for the distribution of medical marijuana.
â?¢ A medical marijuana center shall be a Colorado nonprofit corporation, but need not be designated as a nonprofit corporation by the Federal Government.
â?¢ What constitutes â??Significant responsibility for managing the well-being of a patientâ?�; except that the act of supplying medical marijuana or marijuana paraphernalia, by itself, is insufficient to constitute â??significant responsibility for managing the well being of a patient
â?¢ Two or more primary caregivers may not join together for the purpose of cultivating marijuana

After the vote tomorrow, look for a follow-up article. Until then, check out a letter to the Colorado House and Senate by local medical marijuana advocate and attorney Robert J. Corry Jr. here.

Call your local Representatives and Senators, whether for or against the bill. House 1-800-811-7647 Senate 1-888-473-8136

Colorado House to vote on HB10-1284 (http://www.examiner.com/x-30936-Denver-Medical-Marijuana-Examiner~y2010m3d21-Colorado-House-to-vote-on-HB101284)

I was looking on the net this afternoon for the MMJ bill results and came across some hopefully good news. If you check out the denver chronicle online it has a post that talks about a deal that was struck yesterday that is way more MMJ friendly and takes out the 5 patient caregiver limit and says that people with misdemeanor's will still be able to operate disp. If anyone knows anything different please respond to this post and lets hope for the best.

[lampost]

What about that non-profit crap for dispensaries? Who determines how the owner's work/effort is compensated when it's a non-profit organization?

[ColoradoCareMMJ]

What about that non-profit crap for dispensaries? Who determines how the owner's work/effort is compensated when it's a non-profit organization?

Red Cross, PETA, Unicef, as well as many others, are all non profits and the CEO's and members of the board all make 6-7 figure salaries....

[HighPopalorum]

What about that non-profit crap for dispensaries? Who determines how the owner's work/effort is compensated when it's a non-profit organization?

As a general answer, the owner. Sometimes a board. Sometimes by it's by charter. (The provision requiring MMCs to be non-profit orgs is no longer part of this bill, I think.)

[HighPopalorum]

Red Cross, PETA, Unicef, as well as many others, are all non profits and the CEO's and members of the board all make 6-7 figure salaries....


In the politest way possible, I'd like to point out that this isn't true. None of the charities mentioned pays seven figures. The Red Cross's board is volunteers. PETA's highest paid board member makes about $70,000. Unicef board members make six figures. It's likely they have other sources of income, but what you said wasn't even approximately true.

[Vancefish]

As a general answer, the owner. Sometimes a board. Sometimes by it's by charter. (The provision requiring MMCs to be non-profit orgs is no longer part of this bill, I think.)

Now it says you don't have to get a "FEDERAL" non-profit designation. It still says you have to be nonprofit though!:mad:

It's just another one of those open ended parts of this bill. To be decided while they prosecute you!:wtf:

Just like how it says NO POSSESSION withing 1000' of a school, AT ALL! Yet they claim THAT is just for growers and dispensaries. If it doesn't SAY this is just for growers and dispensaries IN THE BILL. It is for everyone! So a cop can watch you walk out of the non-school zone dispensary, then follow you until your in a school zone, and bust you!:mad:

I suggest everyone look at a map and figure out how, or IF!! You can even get home from a dispensary without entering a school zone.

[HighPopalorum]

Now it says you don't have to get a "FEDERAL" non-profit designation. It still says you have to be nonprofit though!:mad:


Perhaps you're reading the first version of the bill? Or confusing HB 1284 with another bill? That provision was definitely removed.



Just like how it says NO POSSESSION withing 1000' of a school, AT ALL! Yet they claim THAT is just for growers and dispensaries. If it doesn't SAY this is just for growers and dispensaries IN THE BILL.


Again, I think you may be behind the times? Rep. Claire Levy (D-Boulder) amended the bill on Monday to remove that provision as well. Although the state had not released the new text of the bill last I checked, newspaper reports indicate that the 1000 foot rule no longer applies to patients or their homes. If the reports are correct, you should be able to live right next to a school, medicate in your house, and transport medicine without interference.

[HighPopalorum]

Here is a copy of the bill that is up to date as of this post:

http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2010a/csl.nsf/fsbillcont3/0C6B6577EC6DB1E8872576A80029D7E2?Open&file=HB1284_C_001.pdf

I imagine the official version will follow shortly, as the bill is going on to the next committee.

[GratefulMeds]

Now it says you don't have to get a "FEDERAL" non-profit designation. It still says you have to be nonprofit though!:mad:

It's just another one of those open ended parts of this bill. To be decided while they prosecute you!:wtf:

Just like how it says NO POSSESSION withing 1000' of a school, AT ALL! Yet they claim THAT is just for growers and dispensaries. If it doesn't SAY this is just for growers and dispensaries IN THE BILL. It is for everyone! So a cop can watch you walk out of the non-school zone dispensary, then follow you until your in a school zone, and bust you!:mad:

I suggest everyone look at a map and figure out how, or IF!! You can even get home from a dispensary without entering a school zone.


Both of your issues were stricken from the bill.:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[GratefulMeds]

Perhaps you're reading the first version of the bill? Or confusing HB 1284 with another bill? That provision was definitely removed.



Again, I think you may be behind the times? Rep. Claire Levy (D-Boulder) amended the bill on Monday to remove that provision as well. Although the state had not released the new text of the bill last I checked, newspaper reports indicate that the 1000 foot rule no longer applies to patients or their homes. If the reports are correct, you should be able to live right next to a school, medicate in your house, and transport medicine without interference.


This is correct Claire Levy (D-Boulder,Gilpin,Clear Creek) removed both of these.:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Vancefish]

I'd read last week that you still had to be a nonprofit. However because you CAN'T be an official nonprofit under federal law. That they dropped the federal part, However kept part of it to say you had to unofficially be a nonprofit. It does look to be gone now. As is the school zone possession. However it is still in the bill that a caregiver can't make any money from the MMJ!

I hunted for anything saying it was an updated version. So thanks for the link! :thumbsup:

If this is the law they are NOW trying to pass. I found the following.

You can be denied a growing license IF:

A PERSON WHOSE CRIMINAL HISTORY INDICATES THAT

HE OR SHE IS NOT OF GOOD MORAL CHARACTER;

or

(III) A CORPORATION, ANY OF WHOSE OFFICERS, DIRECTORS, OR
STOCKHOLDERS ARE NOT OF GOOD MORAL CHARACTER;

I couldn't find who decides, who is of good moral character??

Then it will also be illegal:

(h) TO BUY MEDICAL MARIJUANA FROM A PERSON NOT LICENSED
SELL AS PROVIDED BY THIS ARTICLE;
(i) TO SELL MEDICAL MARIJUANA EXCEPT IN THE PERMANENT
LOCATION SPECIFICALLY DESIGNATED IN THE LICENSE FOR SALE;
(j) TO HAVE ON THE LICENSED PREMISES ANY MEDICAL MARIJUANA
MARIJUANA PARAPHERNALIA THAT SHOWS EVIDENCE OF THE MEDICAL
MARIJUANA HAVING BEEN CONSUMED OR PARTIALLY CONSUMED; OR
(k) TO REQUIRE A MEDICAL MARIJUANA CENTER OR MEDICAL
MARIJUANA CENTER WITH AN OPTIONAL PREMISES CULTIVATION LICENSE
MAKE DELIVERY TO ANY PREMISES OTHER THAN THE SPECIFIC LICENSED
PREMISES WHERE THE MEDICAL MARIJUANA IS TO BE SOLD.


and (here's the NO PROFIT PART!):

(6) Patient - primary caregiver relationship. (a) A PERSON
SHALL BE LISTED AS A PRIMARY CAREGIVER FOR NO MORE THAN FIVE
PATIENTS ON THE MEDICAL MARIJUANA PROGRAM REGISTRY AT ANY GIVEN.

(d) A PRIMARY CAREGIVER MAY NOT CHARGE A PATIENT MORE
THAN THE COST OF CULTIVATING OR PURCHASING THE MEDICAL
MARIJUANA, BUT MAY CHARGE FOR CAREGIVER SERVICES.

Who decides how much it's worth? If you own a dispensary and are thus many persons caregiver, Does this not worry you? Who decides how much it cost to grow it? Will the state audit you in EVERY respect to find out what THEY think it's worth? OR will they account for your/my time cultivating it? Either way it plainly says you can't charge more then a fictitious guess at what they will decide it cost you. Then likely worry about this once it gets to court.:mad:

This sounds kinda iffy too:

(b) THE STATE HEALTH AGENCY MAY DENY A PATIENT'S OR
4 PRIMARY CAREGIVER'S APPLICATION FOR A REGISTRY IDENTIFICATION
5 CARD OR REVOKE THE CARD IF THE STATE HEALTH AGENCY, IN
6 ACCORDANCE WITH ARTICLE 4 OF TITLE 24, C.R.S., DETERMINES THAT THE
7 PHYSICIAN WHO DIAGNOSED THE PATIENT'S DEBILITATING MEDICAL
8 CONDITION, THE PATIENT, OR THE PRIMARY CAREGIVER VIOLATED SECTION
9 14 OF ARTICLE XVIII OF THE STATE CONSTITUTION, THIS SECTION, OR THE
10 RULES PROMULGATED BY THE STATE HEALTH AGENCY PURSUANT TO THIS
11 SECTION; EXCEPT THAT A PATIENT'S APPLICATION OR REGISTRY
12 IDENTIFICATION CARD MAY ONLY BE DENIED OR REVOKED BASED ON A
13 PHYSICIAN'S VIOLATION THAT IS RELATED TO THE ISSUANCE OF A MEDICAL
14 MARIJUANA RECOMMENDATION.

That says to me they can deny you if they say the doctor was iffy about the diagnosis.

Oh how much I hate reading that stuff. It's horribly obvious they are TRYING to make the specifics quite unclear.

So, I can grow for my 3 family and friends(whom I've already discussed this with), myself and one other. Without getting a growing or dispensary license.

However I can never sell any excess to a dispensary, or anyone else!:mad: Because they(the dispensary) won't be able to buy it from me legally. Due to being forced to buy from ONLY other licensed dispensaries and licensed growers. Even then, they are limited to 30% maximum of their total sales coming from grows other then their own.

[HighPopalorum]

(6) Patient - primary caregiver relationship. (a) A PERSON
SHALL BE LISTED AS A PRIMARY CAREGIVER FOR NO MORE THAN FIVE
PATIENTS ON THE MEDICAL MARIJUANA PROGRAM REGISTRY AT ANY GIVEN.

(d) A PRIMARY CAREGIVER MAY NOT CHARGE A PATIENT MORE
THAN THE COST OF CULTIVATING OR PURCHASING THE MEDICAL
MARIJUANA, BUT MAY CHARGE FOR CAREGIVER SERVICES.

Who decides how much it's worth? If you own a dispensary and are thus many persons caregiver, Does this not worry you? Who decides how much it cost to grow it? Will the state audit you in EVERY respect to find out what THEY think it's worth? OR will they account for your/my time cultivating it? Either way it plainly says you can't charge more then a fictitious guess at what they will decide it cost you. Then likely worry about this once it gets to court.:mad:

I think I can clarify this... but my usual caveat applies: I'm not a lawyer, just a reader.

You've conflated the rules for MMCs (dispensaries) and caregivers, which are treated differently in the bill. Dispensaries are not obligated to sell at cost. That rule only applies to caregivers. If you want to sell your harvest to a dispensary, you're going to have to have some legal relationship with them, and you're going to be taxed on the profits you make. If you want to sell it directly to your patients, you must do so at cost, but you don't have to keep records or pay taxes... I think. I'll reread it tonight.

What's not going to be OK any more is caregivers signing up patients so they can grow a lot of plants on their behalf and then selling that medicine for a profit to retailers.

[Vancefish]

I think I can clarify this... but my usual caveat applies: I'm not a lawyer, just a reader.

You've conflated the rules for MMCs (dispensaries) and caregivers, which are treated differently in the bill. Dispensaries are not obligated to sell at cost. That rule only applies to caregivers. If you want to sell your harvest to a dispensary, you're going to have to have some legal relationship with them, and you're going to be taxed on the profits you make. If you want to sell it directly to your patients, you must do so at cost, but you don't have to keep records or pay taxes... I think. I'll reread it tonight.

What's not going to be OK any more is caregivers signing up patients so they can grow a lot of plants on their behalf and then selling that medicine for a profit to retailers.

Still screws up my plan!:mad:

I'd planned to GIVE my "patients"(whom are either family or LONG time friends) Whatever the largest of their three plants produced(per flowering cycle) for FREE! Also keeping any I needed for myself before the next cycle. Then selling the remainder to a dispensary to cover the costs for growing it and give me a small profit for my time. Plus my "patients" could take any excess from their "cut"(largest of their three), and sell that to a dispensary(MAYBE giving them a tiny profit as well!) Which will become illegal unless I become a "licensed" registered grower.

Thus I'll have to pay $5000 and wait approval. Costing me (thus them) an insane fee to even start. Then taxing only me for the entire thing. Add to that, they(leo) can come to my home to "inspect", whenever they want. Search for any used pipes or "smoking paraphernalia", And shut me down for smoking at home, or not having an "adequate" security system, or cameras.

So, to continue having my tiny grow at home. I have to give up my right to private property and allow government searches. OR, go rent a business address? Thus costing me, and my "patients" even MORE money?

OR

I can charge my patients(friends and family) whatever the government decides is a good price(not for profit)! Then just be stuck with any excess.

Well, it's sure nice of them to pull that! How fair and balanced it is, right? My patients get NO free meds and I get nothing for my labors.

No matter which way I turn. If I might make money(even just a little) no matter how honest and generous I am. The government ALWAYS regulates me into oblivion. Thus ruining any chance of success.

How exactly does this section help anyone in my position?

[copobo]

it also says two or more caregivers can't join together to grow.

So, If someone is a caregiver for 5 people, and their spouse is a patient & wants to grow, is this not allowed? Does one of the pair lose patients?

What if we were both caregivers in the same house? Which patients get kicked to the street?

this bill looks like it's set up to set people up. Wait till you see what happens to the price of weed now. Holy shit.

There are about to be 20,000 more people at the grow store.

[lampost]

I think I can clarify this... but my usual caveat applies: I'm not a lawyer, just a reader.

You've conflated the rules for MMCs (dispensaries) and caregivers, which are treated differently in the bill. Dispensaries are not obligated to sell at cost. That rule only applies to caregivers. If you want to sell your harvest to a dispensary, you're going to have to have some legal relationship with them, and you're going to be taxed on the profits you make. If you want to sell it directly to your patients, you must do so at cost, but you don't have to keep records or pay taxes... I think. I'll reread it tonight.

What's not going to be OK any more is caregivers signing up patients so they can grow a lot of plants on their behalf and then selling that medicine for a profit to retailers.

I wouldn't worry about a caregiver not being able to be compensated fairly. Since they don't tell you how to determine cost here is how I'll do it. My billing rate is $40/hour... tweak that as necessary. Now just keep a journal and record your time in the growroom. 40 x 100 hours equals $4000. So if I came out with a little less than an elbow it should be about right! Of course you can also include the cost of clones/seeds, all supplies, electricity, hell maybe even a pro-rated portion of rent. You can get creative and this isn't really an issue.

So just figure out how much money you should get for your harvest, how much time you'll approx spend working on your grow, and set your billing rate accordingly. Bam! Getting paid just like before!

On another note, when would this bill become law? Would someone with a finished product ready in about 3-4 weeks still be able to sell to a dispensary?

[Vancefish]

it also says two or more caregivers can't join together to grow.

So, If someone is a caregiver for 5 people, and their spouse is a patient & wants to grow, is this not allowed? Does one of the pair lose patients?

What if we were both caregivers in the same house? Which patients get kicked to the street?

this bill looks like it's set up to set people up. Wait till you see what happens to the price of weed now. Holy shit.

There are about to be 20,000 more people at the grow store.

I agree Cocobo, The entire bill is set up with loopholes to bust people, growers and dispensaries. They cut out a couple things we (most of us) didn't like, but that doesn't make whats left any better!

I wanted to add, the most I can fit in the space I plan (or had planned) to grow in, is 12 plants. I can veg 12, and flower 12. Meaning I'm limited to four people including myself. I'd been thinking about finding a fifth person. However that person would just allow me to keep six bonsai moms and vary what I grew.

That person would also cut back even further, how much profit I might make. Because that person would ALSO get an entire plants outcome for free, Yet no plants were ever flowered or grown to harvest to have this persons 6 plants on hand.

I want to know how constitutional it is for them, to regulate me (who'd planned to help all involved) into failure?



On another note, when would this bill become law? Would someone with a finished product ready in about 3-4 weeks still be able to sell to a dispensary?


NO! Unless you are a registered grower or a dispensary, they CAN NOT buy from you!! This is why I'm angry about this! They are limited to buying only 30% from outside their own grows, and can ONLY buy from other government registered and licensed grows.

[palerider7777]

it also says two or more caregivers can't join together to grow.

So, If someone is a caregiver for 5 people, and their spouse is a patient & wants to grow, is this not allowed? Does one of the pair lose patients?

What if we were both caregivers in the same house? Which patients get kicked to the street?

this bill looks like it's set up to set people up. Wait till you see what happens to the price of weed now. Holy shit.

There are about to be 20,000 more people at the grow store.

yup with this bill thats 20,000 more people the leo and courts can now fuck with on top of everything else.

lets also not forget how this will fuck disabled people on ssi/ssd.that might try to turn a profit on the extras they had.

also with 2 oz usable at any givin time.they say the leo don't like this bill,,yea ok i bet they are jumping with joy.i bet they have a few people they have been watching that they just can't wait to pounce on when this goes in effect.

[palerider7777]

the way i see it this will drive alot of growers back underground.also this will force the rest that believe in the gov so much to protect them into the open.sounds like a perfect setup..

[lampost]

Hmmm...

So this will go into effect immediately? Didn't we have a bit of time on the last one?

[Vancefish]

Hmmm...

So this will go into effect immediately? Didn't we have a bit of time on the last one?

I think it just passed the House, but they will still have another vote in the senate.

THAT is my only hope at this point. Maybe they will change this, before whatever we get becomes law.:thumbsup:

[HighPopalorum]

It hasn't passed. It's been introduced and referred to committee. The first committee was the Judiciary committee, which it cleared on Monday. It goes to Appropriations next. After that it may go to the floor to be voted on, or maybe it will sink into nothingness, or maybe it will be moved to another committee. Long story short is the bill is still alive and it's still amendable. Eventually, after the committees are done with it, it might go before the House for a vote. After that, the Senate would need to vote on it as well. None of this will happen unless legislators push it.

I'm not the most astute legislative observer, but I think there's some danger of the next committee amending the bill to tax MMJ sales. Most of them are also on the budget committee. This session has been very tax heavy. That would be disastrous.

[copobo]

good god just let this fucker die a quiet death

otherwise, it's going to get litigated into nothingness, after a bunch of people lose their investments and their employees lose jobs, and the price of herb for patients goes through the roof.

our legislators loath us. we need to keep being the biggest thorn

[palerider7777]

good god just let this fucker die a quiet death

otherwise, it's going to get litigated into nothingness, after a bunch of people lose their investments and their employees lose jobs, and the price of herb for patients goes through the roof.

our legislators loath us. we need to keep being the biggest thorn

yup loath to the highest order they do.

[Vancefish]

It hasn't passed. It's been introduced and referred to committee. The first committee was the Judiciary committee, which it cleared on Monday. It goes to Appropriations next. After that it may go to the floor to be voted on, or maybe it will sink into nothingness, or maybe it will be moved to another committee. Long story short is the bill is still alive and it's still amendable. Eventually, after the committees are done with it, it might go before the House for a vote. After that, the Senate would need to vote on it as well. None of this will happen unless legislators push it.

I'm not the most astute legislative observer, but I think there's some danger of the next committee amending the bill to tax MMJ sales. Most of them are also on the budget committee. This session has been very tax heavy. That would be disastrous.

Thank you for the exact step it's in. That makes me feel a little better. At least there's time for it to change.:thumbsup:

I do not think that HB10-1284, should stop caregivers with 5 or fewer patients from selling to a dispensary! I also don't think the dispensary should be barred from buying from ANY small grower, who happens to grow a little extra. Is there even a legal method of ridding yourself of extra meds? You can't throw it away(a kid, or unlicensed person might find it), by law you can't sell it(if this passes).

The dispensary is the answer. Allow the dispensary owners to buy meds, when issues arise with a grow, from anyone. This increases variety. Plus gives the home growing patient a way to rid themselves of extras legally, AND help other patients by providing those extras. I think the dispensary owners know how to see if the buds you bring in are worth selling, without the states input! :D

I think this is infringing on small business. I'm not a huge grow operation and don't ever plan to be! I see no reason why this should be allowed to directly target me and my "patients".:( Yet still give plenty of leeway to the huge companies who WANT to enter this market.

I'm also against adding more taxes to this, FOR the state. The state already plans to let each city tax it as THEY see fit. However if they keep adding more and more state tax. It'll just make it more difficult, and more expensive for the patient. I'm really OK with the cities taxing it and doing with it, whatever they need. Thus penalizing cities who ban dispensaries, through not collecting that tax.:thumbsup:

They also have NO delivery written into this bill. It can only be sold on said premises, as the license was issued. So, immobile patients will be screwed! (unless they find a caregiver who's willing to get screwed.:D)

[HighPopalorum]

I think a lot about regulation, legislation and government and I agree with you that it initially hurts small businesses. It's easier for larger firms, or firms with more capital to adapt to new regulations - and in new industries, all regulations are new! Meanwhile, the little guys are shut down because they can't afford to conform, or because their business model is different. On the other hand, I know from experience that most of our [Democratic] legislators and elected officials are not effecting these regulations to fuck with us or to shut down retailers but because they are legitimately trying to fit dispensaries into the state's legal system.

[MMDInsuranceCo]

I think a lot about regulation, legislation and government and I agree with you that it initially hurts small businesses. It's easier for larger firms, or firms with more capital to adapt to new regulations - and in new industries, all regulations are new! Meanwhile, the little guys are shut down because they can't afford to conform, or because their business model is different. On the other hand, I know from experience that most of our [Democratic] legislators and elected officials are not effecting these regulations to fuck with us or to shut down retailers but because they are legitimately trying to fit dispensaries into the state's legal system.

I would love for members of our Government to go out and start a business in this country. There are so many rules, regulations and requirements that it's quite overwhelming.

[MMDInsuranceCo]

HB10-1284: Medical Marijuana Reform Bill Moves
Posted on 23 March 2010
Tags: HB10-1284, Marijuana, Medical Marijuana
By Gene Davis, DENVER DAILY NEWS
Local municipalities would have a more difficult time banning retail medical marijuana dispensaries from operating within city limits under an amended medical marijuana reform bill passed by a House committee Monday.
The amended billâ??s passage was a victory for medical marijuana activists who argued that allowing cities to ban dispensaries, as described in the original bill, would force sick patients to travel great distances for their medicine. But the amendmentâ??s passage also sparked the ire of several conservative lawmakers on the House Judiciary Committee. Rep. Bob Gardner, R-Colorado Srprings, who originally planned on voting in the favor of the bill, changed his vote to no after the amendment passed.
Brian Vicente of Sensible Colorado, a medical marijuana lobbying group, said that as he understands it, a city could still ban dispensaries through a citizen-initiated ballot item. A city could also heavily restrict where dispensaries are located through zoning.

PTSD amendment fails
The medical marijuana community was less enthusiastic about the narrow defeat of an amendment directing the Department of Health to conduct a hearing on whether Post Traumatic Stress Disorder is a condition that could be treated with medical marijuana. The Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment publicly opposed the measure, saying in a press release â??There is no evidence of efficacy of marijuana for treatment of PTSD in the medical literature.â?� But supporters of the amendment pointed to a New Mexico medical committee advisory saying medical marijuana can be used to effectively treat PTSD.
â??Itâ??s unfortunate that legislators are hanging veterans out to dry and denying them access to a medicine that has been proved to be effective,â?� said Mason Tvert of Safer Alternative for Enjoyable Recreation, a pro-medical marijuana group.

Other amendments voted on Monday include:
â?? An amendment banning the smoking of medical marijuana by patients was killed;
â?? An amendment allowing the consumption of food with medical marijuana within an area of a dispensary where marijuana isnâ??t being sold passed;
â?? An amendment allowing a caregiver to serve up to 16 patients in municipalities that have banned dispensaries passed;
â?? An amendment dedicating the first $2 million in tax revenue every year generated by medical marijuana towards substance abuse issues passed;
Levy said over the weekend that the multiple amendments should make the reform bill â?? which would create a medical marijuana licensing authority within the department of revenue, and allow for the creation of medical marijuana centers that, if they comply with a local jurisdictionâ??s zoning requirements, could sell medical marijuana to multiple patients â?? more palatable to the medical marijuana community.
Vicente agreed Monday that â??the bill is heading in the right direction.â?� But he remained opposed to the billâ??s requirement of having medical marijuana centers grow most of their own medical marijuana themselves.
â??We need to have a number of growers providing for dispensaries, not just one,â?� he said. â??We think that would help protect the supply of medicine for patients to ensure there is still diversities.â?�
Colorado Attorney General John Suthers, district attorneys and doctors earlier this month voiced their opposition to the bill during a committee hearing. They argued that the measure would legitimize the retail dispensary model, which they see a backdoor way to legalize marijuana.
Levy said on Friday that the new amendments donâ??t address the law enforcement communityâ??s concerns.
â??Theyâ??re opposed to the very concept of the bill, so none of these amendments will remove their objections,â?� she said.
HB 1284 is the second medical marijuana reform bill to make its way through the Legislature this session. The first bill from Sen. Chris Romer, D-Denver, requires patients under the age of 21 to get a second doctorâ??s opinion before being able to obtain a medical marijuana card and forbids doctors from receiving money from medical marijuana dispensaries.
Denver City Council in January unanimously approved a bill that limits where dispensaries can be located, who can run them, and what safety measures dispensary owners must have in place. All of the bills seek to clarify Amendment 20, the measure approved by voters in 2000 that allows for seriously ill Coloradans to use medical marijuana.

[HighPopalorum]

I went to a three-hour forum today on MMJ and current CO law. A good bit of it was spent on question and answer regarding this bill. There were a lot of angry growers in the meeting. Brian Vicente, head of Sensible CO quoted liberally in this thread, explained that this was because dispensaries have an organized lobby in Denver while growers do not; this bill will protect dispensaries, but not growers. He pointed out that caregiver-to-caregiver sales (i.e. caregivers selling to a dispensary) is now a legal gray area. There have been prosecutions already. In his view, the bill is likely to pass in nearly its current form before May, and may become law in July. He hopes they will also add a cultivation license, by which growers could supply dispensaries, but he doesn't think it will happen. He said bluntly, that if you want to sell marijuana to a dispensary, you will need to become their employee, start a dispensary yourself ($5000+ fee), or possibly write some really creative contracting agreement that is likely to be disputed in court.

I also asked him if there were any provisions in the bill that would limit the rights of patients to use, grow or possess. He said that all the provisions that would have done so have now been removed, and that the bill couldn't do that anyway since our MMJ law is a constitutional amendment. He noted one exception that still needed to be removed: if you are a patient and have assigned someone else to be your caregiver, then a third party may not assign you as their caregiver. Brian said this was unconstitutional and would be removed or challenged.

[CannnaLady]

I went to a three-hour forum today on MMJ and current CO law. A good bit of it was spent on question and answer regarding this bill. There were a lot of angry growers in the meeting. Brian Vicente, head of Sensible CO quoted liberally in this thread, explained that this was because dispensaries have an organized lobby in Denver while growers do not; this bill will protect dispensaries, but not growers. He pointed out that caregiver-to-caregiver sales (i.e. caregivers selling to a dispensary) is now a legal gray area. There have been prosecutions already. In his view, the bill is likely to pass in nearly its current form before May, and may become law in July. He hopes they will also add a cultivation license, by which growers could supply dispensaries, but he doesn't think it will happen. He said bluntly, that if you want to sell marijuana to a dispensary, you will need to become their employee, start a dispensary yourself ($5000+ fee), or possibly write some really creative contracting agreement that is likely to be disputed in court.


that is confusing. because wouldn't it be legal if a card holder sold to a cardholder now matter if they are growing or a dispensary or whatever, especially if both sides are paying taxes and have the correct number of patients for quantity sold?

what's really frustrating is you can't find any information that walks you through what passed on the internet. if you see another group meeting/forum meeting could you post about it? i'd love to attend:)

[HighPopalorum]

I don't think there's any language in the Amendment that allows MMJ registry cardholders to sell medicine. It's my understanding of the law that unless you are a designated caregiver, selling marijuana remains illegal. Speaking in a general context and not to that issue, Brian today said that most of the commercial MMJ business is operating in a "spectrum of legality." He said that caregivers selling to their designated patients are at one end of that spectrum, and everything else is in a legal gray area. I gather that one reason for further legislation is to clarify unresolved issues.

[TheHighCountryM]

The session was helpful, but also leaves questions dangling about whether or not small independent growers can be expected to get squashed by well financed dispensaries which can afford to rent big--excuse me-huge spaces (which they will have to be to grow enough to distribute to an estimated 100,000 patients statewide by year's end). Even with a 70/30 program, those dispensary ops will be big, unless they just start buying their grower's homes, heh.
As an experienced gardener, no kids or schedule , I'm in position to be part of this legitimately, really just having trouble finding a rental with an informed & "on board" landlord has been my only hangup in the cgiver dept. **Hint-looking for a place to rent in SW CO people, llord first patient on my cgiver list even better...
MJ has been a theraputic part of my life for over twenty years, and is a treasure to this world. Why is the Legislature so bent on making it so hard for independents, like me, to do something they love for a living? Oh, because I can't afford my own lobby group. Great. Let's hope for the best folks.

[TheHighCountryM]

HPplrm, you have good points. What I got out of this was, there are still more questions every day that they have to reformulate amendments or strikes to answer. And the other thing I got was, the independent caregivers are seriously lacking a voice on that Hill in Denver!

[HighPopalorum]

HPplrm, you have good points. What I got out of this was, there are still more questions every day that they have to reformulate amendments or strikes to answer. And the other thing I got was, the independent caregivers are seriously lacking a voice on that Hill in Denver!

x2 to both points. I wanted to ask Brian about where the bill is heading and what the chances are for more amendments, but I didn't get the chance. The entire MMJ supply chain is a legal Bermuda Triangle. Regarding growers, it's frustrating because the anonymity that protects them makes them unable to organize a lobby and communicate their wishes to lawmakers, who are receptive at the moment. We need a cultivator's lobby, no doubt.

One other thing that came up multiple times in the forum was always, always, always pay your state and federal taxes on revenue from med sales.

FYI, High Country, our rep is on the health committee. I think this bill will go there, if it hasn't already.

[GratefulMeds]

[quote=HighPopalorum]x2 to both points. I wanted to ask Brian about where the bill is heading and what the chances are for more amendments, but I didn't get the chance. The entire MMJ supply chain is a legal Bermuda Triangle. Regarding growers, it's frustrating because the anonymity that protects them makes them unable to organize a lobby and communicate their wishes to lawmakers, who are receptive at the moment. We need a cultivator's lobby, no doubt.

I spoke for the Small Growers when the Judiciary Committee took public comments, I have also voiced my concerns to my Representative Claire Levy in private. I have been pissed about the Lobbyist that took control saying they represent the dispensaries when in reality it was a small group that has tried to manipulate the law to fit their business model. They sold out the small growers as well as the very small Mom & Pop dispensaries, for shame! How do I know this, because I was approached to be part of this effort but I declined and decided we would represent ourselves and the dozen or so small growers we work with on a daily basis.:mad::mad::mad:

[ColoradoCareMMJ]

In the politest way possible, I'd like to point out that this isn't true. None of the charities mentioned pays seven figures. The Red Cross's board is volunteers. PETA's highest paid board member makes about $70,000. Unicef board members make six figures. It's likely they have other sources of income, but what you said wasn't even approximately true.



Volunteers...? Red cross executives make 200-400k a year.



Chief Executive : Gail J. McGovern, President and Chief Executive Officer
Compensation*: $

Highest Paid Executive: Marsha Evans, Former President and Chief Executive Officer
Compensation*: $1,183,811

Chair of the Board: Bonnie McElveen-Hunter
Chair's Profession / Business Affiliation: President, Pace Communications

Board Size: 28




The chief executive of the American Red Cross, Gail J. McGovern, earned $467,252 in 2008.


....and PETA. Well they aren't living too shabby either.

http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx283/ColoradoCareFacility/peta.jpg

Maybe you should do some research before just throwing my claims to the wind...



Total income $372,131,340
Program expenses $325,126,187
Fund raising expenses 30,823,838
Administrative expenses 11,161,336

Total expenses $367,111,361
Income in Excess of Expenses 5,019,979
Beginning net assets 30,728,049
Other Changes in Net Assets 2,790,313
Ending net assets 35,748,028
Total liabilities 75,913,395
Total assets $111,661,423


Unicef alone spends 11.1 million a year on salaries alone.....

[Kartel]

Volunteers...? Red cross executives make 200-400k a year.





....and PETA. Well they aren't living too shabby either.

http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx283/ColoradoCareFacility/peta.jpg

Maybe you should do some research before just throwing my claims to the wind...



Unicef alone spends 11.1 million a year on salaries alone.....

+rep!

Thanks for saving me the time of digging up those numbers!

[palerider7777]

Hi,
Dont you just love seeing posts from dispencerys crying about the law changes...LOL...wonder if they realise that this is all because of them and there efforts to be to big for big profits.....I mean...how many small growers who grow for there own medical needs has been busted?...all the ones I seen so far were in violations of there counts not having patients to justifiy the counts and privit growers some of wich I know have been served warrents and searched after words the cops left empty handed as all was in order...its simple addition folks...and when patients finaly get sick of all the red tape these operations bring to the table for them to deal with maybe they will finaly stop going to these places and supporting them.

frankly I dont think any of those laws will do a thing to the patient sitting in there own home growing there own medicine...I think it only becomes relitive to the patient when they go outside of the rules and have 71 plants to 1 card...then they fall into the same catigory as the dispencerys...part of the problem rather then part of the salution....but this is just my opinion ....

well in a way it does hurt the small growers more than it does the shops.remember the 2oz limit? most growers on a small scale with say 6 to 12 plants grow more than that.also since it can only be on the plant so long b4 it will start to degrade and to recoop the money to grow it.they would rather be able to sell it to a shop the extras that they can't use because of the 2oz at a time bs rule.this will hurt them directly.if things in the bill don't change.

[HighPopalorum]

CCMMJ:

Although I'm happy to be corrected, I stand by what I said. The Red Cross's board is indeed volunteers, except for the head, who draws a salary. Being on the Board of Governors is accounted a high honor, although they draw no pay. PETA's highest paid board member is their attorney, who makes a bit over 70k. Ingrid Newkirk, founder and director of PETA, makes $37000 and lives in a one-bedroom apartment. UNICEF board member salaries are in the low six figures. The new information you posted (a picture of PETA's headquarters, a statement showing UNICEF spends 11M on administrative costs, an edited BBB report) doesn't bear on anything I said. As far as I can tell, after a half hour's additional search, not a single board member of any of the charities you named makes seven figures, only one makes above half a million, and the rest are in the high five or low six-figure range.

I really don't mean to be rude or confrontational - it's just that I can in no way reconcile your statements regarding charity board member salaries with the truth. Last post on this subject for me since it has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Email me, if you like, at my nickname @gmail.com.

[palerider7777]

Was I talking to you, I do not think so. Just because I believe in states
rights and a small federal government does not make me Glen Beck. But now that you have brought it up, that idiot glen want's to legalize marijuana and stands on the peoples side, and he is not a conservative he is a libertarian so why is that so bad? The fact is there are still a few good dems out there but not many. The Dems, just like the republicans, have been highjacked by progressives and that is why this country is falling apart. People love to talk about how our healthcare system is so fucked, but when you compare it to the rest of the world it is so much better than most. Yes we need to fix some things in the industry but giving all the power to Obama is a stoopid thing to do. That dumb ass has not kept one promise except pass some bull shit bill that forces me to buy insurance I do not want. When all these liberals try to tell me I must have something I do not want I big red flag goes up in my head. I tore my ACL in my knee a week ago and I am getting surgery next week so I am dealing with this issue right now and I will tell you one thing for sure I am glad I am in america to get my surgery. My dad is a doctor and he told me a funny story the other day. If this government controlled health care shit is so good then why did the Prime minister of Nova Scotia come to my dads practice to get operated on. He knows are system is better and that is why he came to the USA and payed out of pocket to get the best care in the world. If people keep fucking with our doctors we are going to be sorry. I am an independent myself and all I have to say is it is time for a third party.

the reason people throw around names like glen beck and others.is because people have been brain washed into thinking with blinders on.people like to label themselfs as a part of one group or another.im a dem,im a rep,im an independant so on.most that call themselfs an ind are more on the fence and really lean to 1 of the either sides more or less.so even tho someone says they are ind most are not in the true sense of the label.

now back to glen beck or whoever.lets say a person calls themselfs a ind but has mostly dem/lib views when ever something comes up that goes against a dem/lib view of things no matter if it was right to the tee they will lash out against it.why? because they feel it's an attack on them as it's not on the dem/lib side of things.

thats 1 way it works,then in the same respect of things say a person they like alot or someone that has views on things that are inline with their own. comes out and says i don't like so and so for whatever reason no matter what the bad guy says after that no matter how good or how right he could be they will still hold that hate for them.it's how most humans work,instead of breaking down what someone says per subject. they take 1 thing they don't like about the person and make everything about that.very simple minded way of thinking.

[palerider7777]

Volunteers...? Red cross executives make 200-400k a year.





....and PETA. Well they aren't living too shabby either.

http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx283/ColoradoCareFacility/peta.jpg

Maybe you should do some research before just throwing my claims to the wind...



Unicef alone spends 11.1 million a year on salaries alone.....


agreed there is so much corruption in these so called"charities".

[Vancefish]

Hi,
Dont you just love seeing posts from dispencerys crying about the law changes...LOL...wonder if they realise that this is all because of them and there efforts to be to big for big profits.....I mean...how many small growers who grow for there own medical needs has been busted?...all the ones I seen so far were in violations of there counts not having patients to justifiy the counts and privit growers some of wich I know have been served warrents and searched after words the cops left empty handed as all was in order...its simple addition folks...and when patients finaly get sick of all the red tape these operations bring to the table for them to deal with maybe they will finaly stop going to these places and supporting them.

frankly I dont think any of those laws will do a thing to the patient sitting in there own home growing there own medicine...I think it only becomes relitive to the patient when they go outside of the rules and have 71 plants to 1 card...then they fall into the same catigory as the dispencerys...part of the problem rather then part of the salution....but this is just my opinion ....

Hmm, although I think your somewhat correct about SOME of the dispensaries(the few supporting the lobby). Attacking Bryan, (whom I believe is against the state screwing the smaller growers), Isn't going to gain you any friends around here. I don't know Bryan extremely well. However I've visited his shop 10-12 times. The 4-5 when he was there he gave me great grow advise. When he wasn't there, either his mother(I think??) or his cousin helped me. Both of which are also great and helpful people.

Also one of the most interesting home grow operations I've ever seen was a guy who grew just for himself and some family members. He kept a number of small bonsai moms. Each week he'd cut 5 clones from the moms. Then move five rooted clones(from the previous week) into soil and put them directly into flower. Each week as he added 5 newly potted clones, he's move five completed plants from the other end of the box, and slide all the younger plants over toward the taller end of said flower box. This guy produced two ounces every week which covered all of his "patients" without ANY overgrowth to sell! Not one plant ever achieved 12 inches tall!

What do you think his total plant count might be??(you'd call it obviously illegal),.... It was 71. If you include all Moms and clones!

In the opposing corner, I COULD produce 9 pounds with JUST my three in flower. IF I let them veg long enough, and used the proper technics. Like this guy:

http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-growing/134299-giant-bubblers.html

Thus I believe the entire plant count portion of our law is as much a load as the entire war on MJ.

However a number of the dispensaries are against ending their ability to buy from anyone they choose. Personally I'd like to see a list of which dispensary owners ARE supporting this lobby. I have a hard time believing Bryan would support them, but it would be nice to know which places are actually TRYING to screw the little guys so I could bad mouth the right ones!:thumbsup:

[copobo]

However a number of the dispensaries are against ending their ability to buy from anyone they choose. Personally I'd like to see a list of which dispensary owners ARE supporting this lobby.

I would like to see that list as well. Who ARE the dispensaries lobbying against us?

[GratefulMeds]

I would like to see that list as well. Who ARE the dispensaries lobbying against us?

Go talk with Josh Stanley at Peace and Medicine or Matt Brown they have a list I am sure!:mad::mad::mad:

[ColoradoCareMMJ]

CCMMJ:

Although I'm happy to be corrected, I stand by what I said. The Red Cross's board is indeed volunteers, except for the head, who draws a salary. Being on the Board of Governors is accounted a high honor, although they draw no pay. PETA's highest paid board member is their attorney, who makes a bit over 70k. Ingrid Newkirk, founder and director of PETA, makes $37000 and lives in a one-bedroom apartment. UNICEF board member salaries are in the low six figures. The new information you posted (a picture of PETA's headquarters, a statement showing UNICEF spends 11M on administrative costs, an edited BBB report) doesn't bear on anything I said. As far as I can tell, after a half hour's additional search, not a single board member of any of the charities you named makes seven figures, only one makes above half a million, and the rest are in the high five or low six-figure range.




The POINT I was making that you can run a NPO and still make a 7-figure salary, I just named the top 3 most recognizable non profits. There is a ridiculous amount of "NPO's" that have salaries just the same. Here are a few just for you to get the idea.


Top 10 executive compensation packages at big non-profits in 2008:


Partners HealthCare System James Mongan, CEO $3,421,870

Museum of Modern Art Glenn Lowry, director $2,710,607

Children's Hospital of Philadelphia Steven Altschuler, CEO $2,371,282

New York University John Sexton, president $1,385,339

Columbia University Lee Bollinger, president $1,380,035

University of Pennsylvania Amy Gutmann, president $1,279,819

Yale University Richard Levin, president $1,200,583

Johns Hopkins University William Brody, president $1,198,964

University of Southern Calif. Steven Sample, president $1,161,721

Metropolitan Opera Assoc. Peter Gelb, GM $1,158,296


Highest-paid non-profit employees

Top 10 employee compensation packages at big non-profits in 2008:

Organization Highest-paid employee2 Total comp.1


Yale University David Swensen, chief investment officer $4,389,727

University of Southern Calif. Pete Carroll, head coach, football $4,386,652

Columbia University David Silvers, clinical professor of dermatology $3,738,419

Duke University Mike Krzyzewski, head coach, men's basketball $3,705,909

Cornell University Zev Rosenwaks, professor obstetrics and gynecology $3,392,417

University of Chicago James Madara, vice president medical affairs $2,870,997

New York University James Grifo, professor obstetrics and gynecology $2,867,596

University of Pennsylvania Ralph Muller, CEO, University of Pennsylvania Health System $2,518,232

Stanford University John Powers, president Stanford Management Co. $2,429,757

Princeton University Andrew Golden, president, Princeton University Investment $2,091,425


Note: Other non-profit organizations may pay their executives more than executives listed here. 1 = may include base salary, bonus, incentive pay earned over several years, retirement, health insurance, housing, or other payments. 2 = other than CEO; Source: The Chronicle of Philanthropy

[lampost]

the reason people throw around names like glen beck and others.is because people have been brain washed into thinking with blinders on.

Wow, even that sounds like Glenn Beck! Sensational bullshit with no basis in reality.

Nice try though. People mention Glenn Beck because he's a fucking pandering nutjob. And he convinces people who can't think for themselves (wink, wink) of preposterous ideas.

The problem in this country is not any one individual, its the system. It doesn't work. Our government has proven that it is actually run by lobbyists, and "for the people" should read as "for the corporations".

On another note, has anyone seen John Stewart do Glenn Beck? I about shit my pants the other night I was laughing so hard!

[palerider7777]

Wow, even that sounds like Glenn Beck! Sensational bullshit with no basis in reality.

Nice try though. People mention Glenn Beck because he's a fucking pandering nutjob. And he convinces people who can't think for themselves (wink, wink) of preposterous ideas.

The problem in this country is not any one individual, its the system. It doesn't work. Our government has proven that it is actually run by lobbyists, and "for the people" should read as "for the corporations".

On another note, has anyone seen John Stewart do Glenn Beck? I about shit my pants the other night I was laughing so hard!

blah blah blah same ole shit......

[ColoradoCareMMJ]

On another note, has anyone seen John Stewart do Glenn Beck? I about shit my pants the other night I was laughing so hard!

Yeah that was good and when he pulled out the chalkboard i lost it ....:jointsmile::jointsmile:

[Stickybooger]

I like your stance!

[ColoradoCareMMJ]

Listen, if your a grower hoping to move surplus to dispensaries, all you have to do is one of two things.

1) Set up an LLC.

-or-

2) Become an "employee" for the dispensary.


Remember 99% of the law is interpretation.... :jointsmile::jointsmile:

[Vancefish]

Listen, if your a grower hoping to move surplus to dispensaries, all you have to do is one of two things.

1) Set up an LLC.

-or-

2) Become an "employee" for the dispensary.


Remember 99% of the law is interpretation.... :jointsmile::jointsmile:

Only two issues I have with that Bryan are,.. I don't have $5000 to pay the state, let alone more to buy the security system with cameras (in MY house).

Second issue I have with the current bill is. Let's say I'm your "employee" (just as an example). I grow the maximum I can fit (12 plants in flower). Now as YOUR employee, growing in MY house. The state gets to just "drop by" and inspect MY house(your grow??) whenever they feel like it, because as far as they are concerned MY grow is YOUR property. By growing for you in my house. The state reserves the ability to search MY house whenever they feel the need.

Plus the law is currently unclear in one other area. It says any used paraphernalia on the property will constitute shutting the operation down. So as your employee, and my property being part of your grow operation. I can't legally medicate in MY house!

Then after I give my patients their meds. I'll be able to give you only the remainder, for you to sell. I'm still unclear as to what kind of yield I'll get.

Basically I think giving up my right to privacy, JUST so I can continue my small time operation. Is not right.

EVERY grower of their own meds, NEEDS the ability to legally dispose of excess meds! As I said before, with proper care of my plants, I COULD produce 12 pounds from just three plants(although I don't plan to do that:jointsmile:) I still don't think the state should tell YOU where to get the meds. By being allowed to buy from ANYONE, as you can in most other businesses. YOU would have greater variety. Persons who are unable to work, AND do grow their own, could make a couple extra dollars by helping grow a little extra here and there.

The way it is being written now. I have to sign away my rights to privacy(in my own home). Become an employee of a dispensary (essentially signing my grow over to you). Install a security system with cameras(in my house). PLUS, if I medicate IN MY HOUSE, I can loose it all.

PLEASE tell me I'm wrong! :D

(side note: Love ya Bryan :thumbsup:no offence, don't hate me for my thoughts!) LOL

[copobo]

if this shit is included in the final legislation, you just wait - their will be commercial "center-weed" and there will be grey market "caregiver-dank" because the dispensaries are going to have to be efficient in producing quantity if they want to pay the bills.

I want the full list of dispensaries that are behind these lobbying efforts - and YOU BET that info will come out. I want to know who the fat cats are that would shut out every home grower in the state, and the rest of the state should know as well.

Is Peace In Medicine the first on the list?

Who else?

[HighPopalorum]

I still don't think the state should tell YOU where to get the meds. By being allowed to buy from ANYONE, as you can in most other businesses. YOU would have greater variety.

Just as an FYI, most consumable products (alcohol, medicine, food, for example) actually travel through very strictly-regulated supply chains. It's true that most other businesses can purchase stock from anywhere, but most other businesses similar to dispensaries can only purchase from a small group of licensed vendors. In the case of beer and alcohol, only from a distributor, which number about two dozen in this state. If I was making beer in my basement, I couldn't put it in a backpack and sell it to the local liquor store; those days are long gone.... and that option is about to be closed to commercial growers as well.

[copobo]

there is no need to lock in certain entities as the only legal suppliers. It's anti-competitive, keeps prices high, and supply limited. This serves no purpose other than to protect select dispensaries, and it has no business being in this bill.

the best thing our legislators could do, for the sake of their careers, is to just let the bill die.

If supply is further limited, there will be a crisis in a year if not sooner. With the resources we have now, all put together, without regulation, we are still in a shortage and the cost is prohibitive for patients that need larger quantities for extreme conditions.

[ColoradoCareMMJ]

Well as a dispensary owner I can tell you all I am not associated with any "lobbying" that may be happening. I haven't been contacted by anyone with those intentions and I support small growers. When most growers produce cannabis commercially they usually tend to put quantity over quality. I hope the laws change for the better, but it looks like more regulation is ahead...

-B

[HighPopalorum]

This serves no purpose other than to protect select dispensaries, and it has no business being in this bill.


Safety, inspection, and standards protect consumers too.

[ColoradoCareMMJ]

Safety, inspection, and standards protect consumers too.

Whats next... regulating cannabanoid profiles? I can already hear them crying how the cannabis we have is only intended to get you "high" and under new law dispensaries can only dispense cannabis with THC levels under 10%

[Vancefish]

Whats next... regulating cannabanoid profiles? I can already hear them crying how the cannabis we have is only intended to get you "high" and under new law dispensaries can only dispense cannabis with THC levels under 10%

I hate to say it buy I think your likely correct. Our government loves to stick their noses where they don't belong. Plus many years ago, when they were studying our beloved plant. My step grandfather leased a chunk of his Kentucky horse farm to the government to grow "test" MJ. They restricted their own grow-able plants to 3.5% strains(at least it's what they told him!:D). However if even slightly true, you know it's likely to come up. They limited it before, why not again. Plus I think Mexican brick would still qualify.:wtf:

Glad to hear you didn't join that lobby too! I never thought you did, just good to hear it!:thumbsup:

As for my concerns I'd like to re-aim my statements from before a little.

Lets say,.. some 50 year old church going women gets cancer(god forbid). Anyway her son, after a round of Chemo, introduces her to MMJ. She finds it's relief soothing. So she gets her recomendation.

Now, with a green thumb, three plants, and her knowledgeable son. She grows three large productive plants. Without any idea as to how much she'll actually end up with, she finishes strong! Right on Grandma!! :thumbsup:

So after drying, she finds she has twenty ounces. Yet she's only allowed two!:wtf4:

What can she LEGALLY do with the excess, under this new law??

She has NEVER broken the law as far as she is concerned, she has no pot head friends to give or sell it to, and now under the new law(if passed) she can't even sell it to the stores AUTHORIZED to sell the stuff!

If she's caught with it she gets to be extra tax income to the government and private prisons too!

This is the same part of this law that will screw all the small guys.

Sure am glad this bill is here, to protect the patients! Way to go!!

[HighPopalorum]

I don't think that would be a good idea, but you must admit that in every other medicine the levels of active ingredients are regulated, and those levels are required to be on the label. When I take two Tylenol, I know I'm getting 1000 mg of acetaminophen. I wish I knew the same about the medicine I buy from dispensaries.

[Vancefish]

I don't think that would be a good idea, but you must admit that in every other medicine the levels of active ingredients are regulated, and those levels are required to be on the label. When I take two Tylenol, I know I'm getting 1000 mg of acetaminophen. I wish I knew the same about the medicine I buy from dispensaries.

Cannibanoids(<-sp??) consist of over 300 chemicals, from those, during heating, there is a chemical reaction which converts those 300+ interacting chemicals into well over 2000+ different chemicals. Each strain has a differing signature of cannibinoids, which can cause differing effects. Because it is a VERY complex composure of chemicals, composed of and created by ONLY a plants naturally produced chemicals reacting with each other. It has never been correctly, synthetically reproduced.

THUS, even with MASSIVE, expensive studies done my MANY government agencies and college labs. They still can't tell you exactly what is in your MMJ. They can get some information, and THC percentages. However when you get down to brass tax. They can not tell you what your getting, or how, or why, it'll effect you.

It is currently estimated that many of our "better" strains can achieve 18-30%(might just be a claim at 30%:D). However even if 18% is what I often buy. I do not want to be limited to 10%!:mad:

If we give an inch they WILL take a mile. So, I believe we need to stop this over regulation before they force it (and more) down our throats.

[Vancefish]

I don't think that would be a good idea, but you must admit that in every other medicine the levels of active ingredients are regulated, and those levels are required to be on the label. When I take two Tylenol, I know I'm getting 1000 mg of acetaminophen. I wish I knew the same about the medicine I buy from dispensaries.

I should have added. MOST of our legal drugs DO NOT say what is contained in them. They have the product name and the mg dosage per pill. However most of those drugs (prescribed by doctors answering to drug companies) have rarely, barely, or incorrectly been tested. They are composed of who knows what? Plus MANY often have side effects worse then the condition it MIGHT cure.

MJ has been growing and been smoked by BILLIONS of people over millennia. Thus far, not one proven death, and side effects are temporary!

Take that Clairion!! :D

[HighPopalorum]

Yeah.. so what would be wrong with a law that says dispensaries must have their medicine tested by a lab for THC content and certified free of pests and mold? What would be wrong with the Division of Weights and measures coming in and checking their scales for honesty, as they do in every other business that sells by weight? All regulation has costs and benefits; we should concentrate on choosing the right regulations rather than refuse to "give them an inch." In my opinion, the right regulations are those that benefit the consumer with more knowledge, protect the consumer from poisons and impurities, and prevent a retailer from misrepresenting his product or lying to his customers.

[Vancefish]

Yeah.. so what would be wrong with a law that says dispensaries must have their medicine tested by a lab for THC content and certified free of pests and mold? What would be wrong with the Division of Weights and measures coming in and checking their scales for honesty, as they do in every other business that sells by weight? All regulation has costs and benefits; we should concentrate on choosing the right regulations rather than refuse to "give them an inch." In my opinion, the right regulations are those that benefit the consumer with more knowledge, protect the consumer from poisons and impurities, and prevent a retailer from misrepresenting his product or lying to his customers.

I think that a law, forcing a dispensary to have it tested, is wrong! However I also think if a dispensary WANTS to do that, they should. If people want that, they would vote with their dollar. By going to that dispensary. If everyone wanted that, all the other dispensaries would be forced through customer pressure to do it. However forcing people to conform to your desires is not right. So forcing me to spend money on a service I don't want is also wrong. (see anti-forced federal health care suit filed last week by 13 states. It's against the 10th constitutional amendment!)

Those same people would also get to pay an extra fee to have that service provided BTW:thumbsup:.

[palerider7777]

Just as an FYI, most consumable products (alcohol, medicine, food, for example) actually travel through very strictly-regulated supply chains. It's true that most other businesses can purchase stock from anywhere, but most other businesses similar to dispensaries can only purchase from a small group of licensed vendors. In the case of beer and alcohol, only from a distributor, which number about two dozen in this state. If I was making beer in my basement, I couldn't put it in a backpack and sell it to the local liquor store; those days are long gone.... and that option is about to be closed to commercial growers as well.

just an fyi those products are legal on the fed lvl as well so...:thumbsup:

also just because it's a law does'nt mean it's right....

[palerider7777]

I don't think that would be a good idea, but you must admit that in every other medicine the levels of active ingredients are regulated, and those levels are required to be on the label. When I take two Tylenol, I know I'm getting 1000 mg of acetaminophen. I wish I knew the same about the medicine I buy from dispensaries.
wow,you are right it is regulated you know why? because too much aceteminophen will KILL YOU.i know you want to be all knowing but plz quit trying to mix apples and oranges here.

[palerider7777]

Yeah.. so what would be wrong with a law that says dispensaries must have their medicine tested by a lab for THC content and certified free of pests and mold? What would be wrong with the Division of Weights and measures coming in and checking their scales for honesty, as they do in every other business that sells by weight? All regulation has costs and benefits; we should concentrate on choosing the right regulations rather than refuse to "give them an inch." In my opinion, the right regulations are those that benefit the consumer with more knowledge, protect the consumer from poisons and impurities, and prevent a retailer from misrepresenting his product or lying to his customers.

and all these new regulations will help lower prices how? most expect all these meds to be free and whine and moan about it enough already.

[copobo]

Yeah.. so what would be wrong with a law that says dispensaries must have their medicine tested by a lab for THC content and certified free of pests and mold? What would be wrong with the Division of Weights and measures coming in and checking their scales for honesty, as they do in every other business that sells by weight? All regulation has costs and benefits; we should concentrate on choosing the right regulations rather than refuse to "give them an inch." In my opinion, the right regulations are those that benefit the consumer with more knowledge, protect the consumer from poisons and impurities, and prevent a retailer from misrepresenting his product or lying to his customers.

We are already headed this way without government getting involved in quality. As supply increases, the consumer will look for herb certified by reputable labs. Most dispensaries know what they are looking for when they buy from vendors, and those that don't won't be around long.

Check the scales. sure. why not.

[HighPopalorum]

Is there any level of regulation you'd favor, Palerider? What about the simple provision in 1284 that makes it illegal for a dispensary to lie to a customer? Good idea, bad idea, what?

[palerider7777]

Is there any level of regulation you'd favor, Palerider? What about the simple provision in 1284 that makes it illegal for a dispensary to lie to a customer? Good idea, bad idea, what?

without the liberal sarcasim,i'll go on to say if that is in the bill i would not agree to it being a good thing.plz explain in what context the lie would be?

as im sure you are well aware and also since you seem to insist on comparing mmj law with other in place laws.you then know that there are already laws in place for false advertising.if thats the route you were trying to take this?

also without any"ANY"laws in place in the nation on a person lying.the context of the ?? was in the field of false advertising am i correct?

i can't help to think you are just trying to be clever here.but either way im sure no matter what my answer would be you would not agree....

but im sure the way you asked the ? and the way you talk to people on here in that look down you're nose kindda way.you were implying that im some crazy loon that is below anything that could make sense to you.

i did'nt know mmj law was a venue to create whole new laws to control people?

[ColoradoCareMMJ]

Yeah.. so what would be wrong with a law that says dispensaries must have their medicine tested by a lab for THC content and certified free of pests and mold?



That service isnt cheap by far. They charge $85 per sample, per test. I sometimes have anywhere between 5-15 new strains a week, sometimes more. Thats thousands of dollars thats going to have to be recouped on top of additional overhead costs. Most my patients know my medicine, and know the quality so I really dont hear many asking about testing our medicine.

[HighPopalorum]

plz explain in what context the lie would be?

Well, the provision is simple. It just outlaws misrepresentation and other unfair business practices. If you need me to name examples, here's some unfair business practices as they apply to commercial marijuana: passing off one medicine as another, causing confusion as to the source of a medicine, claiming medicine to have benefits it does not (a disgusting and common practice, lying to the sick), misrepresenting the quality or grade of medicine, disparaging the goods or services of other vendors, or anything else that creates confusion or misunderstanding with the intention of selling a product.

[ColoradoCareMMJ]

Well, the provision is simple. It just outlaws misrepresentation and other unfair business practices. If you need me to name examples, here's some unfair business practices as they apply to commercial marijuana: passing off one medicine as another, causing confusion as to the source of a medicine, claiming medicine to have benefits it does not (a disgusting and common practice, lying to the sick), misrepresenting the quality or grade of medicine, disparaging the goods or services of other vendors, or anything else that creates confusion or misunderstanding with the intention of selling a product.


HAHAHAH really!?!? How is a law going to stop people from renaming product? Certain strains may help people while they do not help others. That is really no misrepresentation. Like they say different strains - different brains...and what may be good strain to one may not be to another, whats the other saying... "another man's trash is another man's treasure" ? I have had herb that I extremely did not care for, and I had patients tell me it was some of the best medicine they have ever tried.

I honestly think patients are the best regulation. They will ultimately decide who stays and who goes.:jointsmile:

[HighPopalorum]

That service isnt cheap by far. They charge $85 per sample, per test. I sometimes have anywhere between 5-15 new strains a week, sometimes more. Thats thousands of dollars thats going to have to be recouped on top of additional overhead costs. Most my patients know my medicine, and know the quality so I really dont hear many asking about testing our medicine.

If you were selling hay, it would have to be certified pest-free. Amazing how those hay farmers manage to stay in business, eh? Snark aside, point taken. Potency is not something I care that much about in terms of regulation; other things, like pests and mold and chemical residue, have no place in medicine. Rather than have every new jar assayed (adding to the cost), maybe it would be enough to have regular, unannounced inspections for both sanitary conditions and also to test the medicine for impurities and poisons. There's probably other less-intrusive ways to check compliance as well that might be friendlier to the bottom line and still protect consumers.

[HighPopalorum]

How is a law going to stop people from renaming product?

Talk to a lawyer, but I don't see why renaming would be a problem, so long as it doesn't misrepresent the product. Feel free to rename a pack of local seeds "Denver Superbomb" but please don't call it "Sensi Seeds Jack Flash #5 (Feminized)" and charge a patient $200 unless it really is the goods.

Misrepresentation is broader, though: for example, under this regulation you might no longer be able to legally claim medicine was organic simply because it's dirt grown, or claim medicine was grown in Breckenridge when it came from Denver. I don't know what the regulations will look like when they come.

EDIT 9AM: In no way am I suggesting CoCaMMJ or his shop does any of these things. I've never been there. This is just a chat.

[ColoradoCareMMJ]

Talk to a lawyer, but I don't see why renaming would be a problem, so long as it doesn't misrepresent the product. Feel free to rename a pack of local seeds "Denver Superbomb" but please don't call it "Sensi Seeds Jack Flash #5 (Feminized)" and charge a patient $200 unless it really is the goods.

Misrepresentation is broader, though: for example, under this regulation you might no longer be able to legally claim medicine was organic simply because it's dirt grown, or claim medicine was grown in Breckenridge when it came from Denver. I don't know what the regulations will look like when they come.

Does it matter where it was grown? Really does it make the slightest difference if it came from a suburb in denver or a cabin in breck???

As to Organic....it is just a happy-word. Just because some is grown organicly does not make it better. I have sampled amazing strains that were not grown in organic fashion.

Dispensaries cannot even sell seeds from most breeders because we cannot import them (CO LAW).

I understand you just want a better experience overall from dispensaries towards patients, and I have no qualms with that. But think of it like a restaurant, the places that provide less than quality meals or service will take a back seat to those that do provide a higher level of quality and service.

If you dont like the way your being treated, tell them, if they dont make it better, don't go back to their shop anymore. If they lose enough patients they will work towards making a positive change in their business model, or they will close doors and look for opportunities elsewhere. Its win/win.

We really dont need governement sticking their dirty finger in our cake mix. There is already enough obstacles to overcome in this downtraught economy, why are you hasseling the one industry that is creating thousands of jobs and millions of dollars in tax revenue...?

[Reenster]

I have been following this thread in silence, but here at home I am biting my tongue. This bill will effect each and every one of us, perhaps in different ways, but we all will feel it's effects.

I am in favor of regulation, although limited. A dispensary should be regulated like any other business. Since a dispensary's customer base is restricted, it should be regulated to make sure only those "allowed" are sold to. This is already in place. It should be regulated that a dispensary is clean, safe, and are dispensing what they claim. Much of this is in place, but some is subjective. If they claim to be selling Medical Marijuana, then it should not be the so-called legal bud. I have not seen this practice but I have heard a few concerns. It should be regulated so that a dispensary, like any other business, pays proper sales/income taxes, reports sales tax correctly, and is properly licensed (the Denver bureaucracy and cost seems excessive to me).

I have mixed feeling about zoning, and it looks like its going to extremes. Medical Marijuana is a legitimate business and should be treated as such. If the community is zone for residential only, that means MMJ as well. Banning MMJ dispensaries makes no sense to me. How and why are gentlemen's clubs, payday loans, and pawn shops better for a community than a dispensary. I really do not see the logic in this.

As far as quality, mold, pests, taste, and smell....well, I think the consumer will weed(ha ha) all of that out. If I found mold in anything I purchased (weed, produce etc), I would offer the place I got it from the opportunity to correct the issue. I would expect replacement of the product or a cash refund, an apology, and the assurance they would do everything in their power not to have it happen again (not purchase from that vendor perhaps). It anything like that happens again, it would be the last time they got my money and I would be letting as many people know as possible to give them warning.

I certainly do not want the Federal Government to be involved in quality control of my medical marijuana. With the horrors committed by the FDAs in-aptitude I have little or no confidence that they would do better with something like MMJ. No reason for me to believe that the state would do any better in quality control.

Like everyone else, this is my opinion. It concerns me that as a community we can not get together and decide what is best for us. It is going to make it very hard to get lawmakers on our side when we do not really know what we want/need. Unfortunately it will come down to who has the most money, like everything political in the USA.

[ColoradoCareMMJ]

I have been following this thread in silence, but here at home I am biting my tongue. This bill will effect each and every one of us, perhaps in different ways, but we all will feel it's effects.

I am in favor of regulation, although limited. A dispensary should be regulated like any other business. Since a dispensary's customer base is restricted, it should be regulated to make sure only those "allowed" are sold to. This is already in place. It should be regulated that a dispensary is clean, safe, and are dispensing what they claim. Much of this is in place, but some is subjective. If they claim to be selling Medical Marijuana, then it should not be the so-called legal bud. I have not seen this practice but I have heard a few concerns. It should be regulated so that a dispensary, like any other business, pays proper sales/income taxes, reports sales tax correctly, and is properly licensed (the Denver bureaucracy and cost seems excessive to me).

I have mixed feeling about zoning, and it looks like its going to extremes. Medical Marijuana is a legitimate business and should be treated as such. If the community is zone for residential only, that means MMJ as well. Banning MMJ dispensaries makes no sense to me. How and why are gentlemen's clubs, payday loans, and pawn shops better for a community than a dispensary. I really do not see the logic in this.

As far as quality, mold, pests, taste, and smell....well, I think the consumer will weed(ha ha) all of that out. If I found mold in anything I purchased (weed, produce etc), I would offer the place I got it from the opportunity to correct the issue. I would expect replacement of the product or a cash refund, an apology, and the assurance they would do everything in their power not to have it happen again (not purchase from that vendor perhaps). It anything like that happens again, it would be the last time they got my money and I would be letting as many people know as possible to give them warning.

I certainly do not want the Federal Government to be involved in quality control of my medical marijuana. With the horrors committed by the FDAs in-aptitude I have little or no confidence that they would do better with something like MMJ. No reason for me to believe that the state would do any better in quality control.

Like everyone else, this is my opinion. It concerns me that as a community we can not get together and decide what is best for us. It is going to make it very hard to get lawmakers on our side when we do not really know what we want/need. Unfortunately it will come down to who has the most money, like everything political in the USA.



^^^ I think alot of patients feel the same as you reenstar. In fact it seems only a very select minority are in favor of all the ridiculous regulations.

[HighPopalorum]

Does it matter where it was grown? Really does it make the slightest difference if it came from a suburb in denver or a cabin in breck???


To some people it does; I prefer local produce and local farmers. I think this is less of an issue with medicine than with food, though. Why not just simply tell the truth if it doesn't make the slightest difference?



As to Organic....it is just a happy-word. Just because some is grown organicly does not make it better. I have sampled amazing strains that were not grown in organic fashion.


I disagree entirely. If you tell me a product is organic, then it should be produced without synthetic pesticides or hormones. I realize it's used in a different context with regard to MJ, but it's deceptive and needs to stop. Organic may be just a happy word to you, but it has a very specific meaning to the rest of the world. Again... why not just give the consumers the whole story if it's no big deal?



But think of it like a restaurant, the places that provide less than quality meals or service will take a back seat to those that do provide a higher level of quality and service.


I think a restaurant is a good example and analogy. I think your shop should be regularly inspected by the health department, like restaurants. Like restaurants, I think the ratings should be public record so your customers can see if you're following the law. Like restaurant licensing, you should have to pass a criminal background check when applying for a license. Like a restaurant, you should pay taxes. Like restaurants, if you sell an impure or harmful product you should be shut down. I'd be fine with dispensaries being treated like restaurants, but I doubt you would. In short, I want dispensaries to be safe, ubiquitous and profitable, like restaurants.

[Vancefish]

To some people it does; I prefer local produce and local farmers. I think this is less of an issue with medicine than with food, though. Why not just simply tell the truth if it doesn't make the slightest difference?

It is already state law that stops out of state growers from importing to Colorado. So, everything you get IS local already without added regulation.




I disagree entirely. If you tell me a product is organic, then it should be produced without synthetic pesticides or hormones. I realize it's used in a different context with regard to MJ, but it's deceptive and needs to stop. Organic may be just a happy word to you, but it has a very specific meaning to the rest of the world. Again... why not just give the consumers the whole story if it's no big deal?

Most local growers already take great issue with NOT using the things you mentioned. Most nutes people buy locally for hydro are not organic. They are all the specific minerals in exact proportion to what our plant likes. However BEING minerals, makes them inorganic. NONE of us ever wants to use chemicals for insect control. But sometimes we have no choice. but most try to stick to organic methods like Neem or Rosemary oils.

However unless your eating ALL organic (NON GM) food, drinking only the best filtered water, using only organic soap, have a shower filter and wear a filter mask. Your already SLATHERED is industrial waste! 90% of popular bar soap is made with sodium and petroleum byproducts! MOST Americans eat more then 50% genetically modified food, slathered in chemicals(all of which is fully endorsed by our government, under a guise of "Safety"). Thus ALSO adding excess cost to our food supply!



I think a restaurant is a good example and analogy. I think your shop should be regularly inspected by the health department, like restaurants. Like restaurants, I think the ratings should be public record so your customers can see if you're following the law. Like restaurant licensing, you should have to pass a criminal background check when applying for a license. Like a restaurant, you should pay taxes. Like restaurants, if you sell an impure or harmful product you should be shut down. I'd be fine with dispensaries being treated like restaurants, but I doubt you would. In short, I want dispensaries to be safe, ubiquitous and profitable, like restaurants.

My father makes his living off the restaurant industry. Since 1971 he has sold refrigeration, ice cream equipment, and other such required things for a restaurant to operate.:thumbsup:

However, over the last 15 years he has barely sold ANY new equipment. The company once thriving is now a cubby in an industrial complex.

My father has survived ALL these years reselling the same equipment. buying it back a year-ish later at auction. Then cleaning it and selling it to the next idiot who wants to own a restaurant or ice cream shop. Then he just sit back and waits to buy it back for 20-50% what he sold it for AGAIN! He's resold some pieces 10-12 times.

His life dream, when I was a kid, was having a restaurant. However I asked him this last Christmas about it. He said, anyone stupid enough to start a restaurant, in our current economics was doomed to over regulation, taxation, and eventual failure. Thus he was sticking with what he's already doing.

Point is,.. Restaurants don't make money very often. Due MOSTLY to over regulation, taxation and a lousy economy created ALSO by our government.

Plus they often serve food which is extremely processed, often loaded with chemicals and fully endorsed (AGAIN) by our government.

[Kartel]

I can't speak for other people, but personally, I only buy organic food at the grocery store. The way that pesticide usage on food crops is regulated is sad, pesticide residue on non-organic (and even some organic) foods is excessive IMO.

With that said, I frequently do not grow "organic" mmj, although sometimes I do. I'm concerned about pesticide residue, and potentially radioactive isotope residue. That being said, organic fertilizers sometimes contain higher levels of heavy metals or other dangerous components than carefully manufactured, high-quality chemical fertilizers.

In other words, my MMJ is not organic because I'm happy to use chemical fertilizers; the pesticides and other chemicals used, especially systemic ones, are what I'm concerned with.

:wtf:

[HighPopalorum]

It is already state law that stops out of state growers from importing to Colorado. So, everything you get IS local already without added regulation.p

I prefer to support local growers and businesses, rather than send my money to the Front Range. It's true that the FR produces most of the MMJ in the state, but given the choice, I'd like to keep it local. I always ask where my medicine is grown, and the responses I've gotten run the gamut from straightforward to evasive. I also suspect there's a good bit of importation from California, even though it's against the law. Possibly, stricter scrutiny is needed to prevent importation.



Most local growers already take great issue with NOT using the things you mentioned. Most nutes people buy locally for hydro are not organic. They are all the specific minerals in exact proportion to what our plant likes. However BEING minerals, makes them inorganic. NONE of us ever wants to use chemicals for insect control. But sometimes we have no choice. but most try to stick to organic methods like Neem or Rosemary oils.


Keep in mind, we're not really talking about your average hobby grower here, who takes immense pride in clean, healthy plants. This bill only addresses commercial dispensary growers who sell retail for profit. Pesticides increase yield and profit. I think it's fine for dispensaries to use them, but it's not fine to use them and then lie to a customer about it. Total honesty regarding every product sold should be the law.

Take a step back and consider the position for a moment: Why should dispensaries not have to follow the fair trade practices that are STANDARD PROCEDURE for every other kind of business in the state, and in the country? Why should it be illegal for a doctor to tell a patient he can cure inoperable cancer, but perfectly legal for a dispensary to tell the same dying patient anything they want? Why should we allow felons to place themselves in positions of trust over the sickest members of our community? Why should dispensaries be excused from following health and safety rules? Why should dispensaries operate without oversight from a licensing authority when every other business in the state must comply? The question we should be asking ourselves isn't what level of regulation would be ideal, but what level of regulation is the bare minimum that will allow dispensaries to operate safely, in the same manner as other businesses around the state.

[palerider7777]

Well, the provision is simple. It just outlaws misrepresentation and other unfair business practices. If you need me to name examples, here's some unfair business practices as they apply to commercial marijuana: passing off one medicine as another, causing confusion as to the source of a medicine, claiming medicine to have benefits it does not (a disgusting and common practice, lying to the sick), misrepresenting the quality or grade of medicine, disparaging the goods or services of other vendors, or anything else that creates confusion or misunderstanding with the intention of selling a product.

well then i guess i answered you're ?? then.as you are aware we already have laws dealing with those issues.besides that word of mouth spreads pretty quick and if a biz misleads people it won't be long b4 they are out of biz.

[palerider7777]

HAHAHAH really!?!? How is a law going to stop people from renaming product? Certain strains may help people while they do not help others. That is really no misrepresentation. Like they say different strains - different brains...and what may be good strain to one may not be to another, whats the other saying... "another man's trash is another man's treasure" ? I have had herb that I extremely did not care for, and I had patients tell me it was some of the best medicine they have ever tried.

I honestly think patients are the best regulation. They will ultimately decide who stays and who goes.:jointsmile:

110% agreed

[HighPopalorum]

well then i guess i answered you're ?? then.as you are aware we already have laws dealing with those issues.

Who exactly is going to enforce the law in the absence of a state licensing authority? The Justice League? It's stupid to believe dispensary operators will fully comply in the absence of an enforcing authority. Since the thread regards a specific bill, it's germane to quote the text. Here's the list of duties the bill calls for the state licensing authority to assume:

-granting or refusing licenses
-publicly listen to complaints against licensees
-publicly hear appeals of license denials
-develop paper forms, cards and licenses
-prepare an annual budgetary report for the Governor. (pursuant to state law)
-promulgating rules

That last one is the big one, hint hint. The bill goes on to delineate the kinds of rules the licensing authority may create:

-compliance and enforcement of other rules specifically in this bill
-specifying duties for employees and officers of the state licensing authority
-instructions for local licensing authorities
-requirements for inspection and investigation
-creation of penalties for noncompliance
-prohibition of misrepresentation
-prohibition of unfair business practices
-control of information and product displays
-development of individual identification cards for MMC employees, including criminal background checks and fingerprint
-proper security requirements for dispensaries / their grow sites
-regulation of storage and transportation of MMJ
-sanitary requirements for dispensaries
-which kinds of picture identification are acceptable
-labeling standards
-record keeping
-reporting of monthly sales tax payments
-authorization for revenue Dept. to enforce sales and income tax collection
-signage rules, including dimensions and colors
-creation of a schedule of penalties and citations
-days and hours of operation

*Shrug* There's not a single provision in that second list that isn't applied broadly, across a variety of businesses and industries in the state. Maybe that's not right, and we shouldn't require so much, but I think that's sort of a larger topic. There's some dumb provisions left in this bill, but the stuff you're currently complaining about, Palerider, is innocuous and even beneficial, IMO.

[Arboles]

However unless your eating ALL organic (NON GM) food, drinking only the best filtered water, using only organic soap, have a shower filter and wear a filter mask. Your already SLATHERED is industrial waste! .

I do choose to eat ALL organic (non gmo) food, drink only the best filtered water, use only organic soap and body products, and have a shower filter. I do not wear a filter mask and based on what I have read believe that at this point that is not necessary for where I live, although I can't say that I would be even if it was.

The first four items are easily enough achieved with some extra effort and undoubtedly a bit more cash (although it's not as expensive as it was... apx. 25-40% of my organic food is acquired from bulk retailers) A shower filtration costs $50 and is good for 6-12 months depending on use. Pure water can be acquired for another $60 (entry level) investment and some assembly or from sources in the front range. Eldorado Springs water is great and can be filled at the source for $1.25 for 5 gallons. Organic body products can be made at home with a little bit of training, and living in the FR there are plenty of places to learn with like minded individuals.

So, expecting to get an organic MMJ product that was not exposed to any harsh pesticides and grown in accordance with organic farming practices isn't that big of a stretch.

If that's what dispensary's are marketing a medicine as then that's what it should be through and through.

[HighPopalorum]

tangent: Organic MJ is a rule I've never stuck to, although I also buy only organic food and filter my water. I've both grown and [frequently] bought conventional pot. We are lucky to be approaching a time when marijuana marketing is transparent enough that people will be able to smoke only organic marijuana, should they choose.

[GratefulMeds]

HB1284 Senate Vote on Wednesday

The full state Senate will have its first debate and vote on HB1284
tomorrow morning on the floor of the Senate. Public comment will not be
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May 04, 2010
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HB10-1284 states that all Medical Marijuana Centers must grow at least 70%
of their own Cannabis.

For many Centers this will require growing over 100 plants. This is
significant because the DEA isn't really interested in busting operations
growing less than 100 plants because the penalty is usually probation.
However, grow over 100 plants and there is a five-year mandatory minimum
prison sentence.

Thus, it isn't worth the effort to bust a grower with 75 plants. But hit
the 100 level and the stakes grow significantly. This makes it worthy of
DEA attention.

If you have heard rumors about the 100 plant limit, this is why.

This is where the rule of unintended consequences comes into play. By
prohibiting Medical Marijuana Centers from buying no more than 30% of their
product from other sources, they must grow 70% of their own Cannabis.
Thus, Centers face going over the 100 plant limit and becoming subject to
Federal Interest.

Based on my research, Federal Judges in California don't seem to care if
the Cannabis is being grown for medical marijuana. Go over 100 plants and
get hammered. The same will probably be true in Colorado.

The Colorado Bill will force Medical Marijuana Centers to grow more than
100 plants, or face not having enough product. This is a classic Catch 22.
To comply with State Law and keep your license, you are forced to commit a
significantly more serious Federal Felony.

This requirement appears to be an unintended consequence of the
legislation. Please Let Your Legislators Know.

You must write your State Representative and Senator and ask them to drop
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[Klonzinc]

To some people it does; I prefer local produce and local farmers. I think this is less of an issue with medicine than with food, though. Why not just simply tell the truth if it doesn't make the slightest difference?



I disagree entirely. If you tell me a product is organic, then it should be produced without synthetic pesticides or hormones. I realize it's used in a different context with regard to MJ, but it's deceptive and needs to stop. Organic may be just a happy word to you, but it has a very specific meaning to the rest of the world. Again... why not just give the consumers the whole story if it's no big deal?



I think a restaurant is a good example and analogy. I think your shop should be regularly inspected by the health department, like restaurants. Like restaurants, I think the ratings should be public record so your customers can see if you're following the law. Like restaurant licensing, you should have to pass a criminal background check when applying for a license. Like a restaurant, you should pay taxes. Like restaurants, if you sell an impure or harmful product you should be shut down. I'd be fine with dispensaries being treated like restaurants, but I doubt you would. In short, I want dispensaries to be safe, ubiquitous and profitable, like restaurants.

You know what really gets me is the very second you mention hydro to some they cringe and say " I only smoke organic dirt grown", well my response is this, there are multiple levels of hydro, one being recirculating deep water culture feeding directly from a fish tank using only fish emulsion water, is that not organic? I myself use a recirc DWC system and Advance Organic nutes, so is this organic or hydro or could it possibly be both? In my recent research I have found material of the Chinese and Japanese using hydroponic style outdoor grow methods for hundreds of years. Hmmmmmmm, something to think about. I was also told recently by a lawyer that claiming and labeling organic is a legal term regulated by the federal gov., well if that is true are disp. claiming organic opening themselves up for some kind of trouble, do not know

[throatstick]

You know what really gets me is the very second you mention hydro to some they cringe and say " I only smoke organic dirt grown", well my response is this, there are multiple levels of hydro, one being recirculating deep water culture feeding directly from a fish tank using only fish emulsion water, is that not organic? I myself use a recirc DWC system and Advance Organic nutes, so is this organic or hydro or could it possibly be both? In my recent research I have found material of the Chinese and Japanese using hydroponic style outdoor grow methods for hundreds of years. Hmmmmmmm, something to think about. I was also told recently by a lawyer that claiming and labeling organic is a legal term regulated by the federal gov., well if that is true are disp. claiming organic opening themselves up for some kind of trouble, do not know

it makes me laugh lmao everything is organic we are organic,oil is organic,the earth is organic. what comes down to being labeled organic and non organic is a very fine line.a few micro amounts of trace metals can be the diffrence between organic and non.so let people believe what they think they know....

[puntacometa]

it makes me laugh lmao everything is organic we are organic,oil is organic,the earth is organic. what comes down to being labeled organic and non organic is a very fine line.a few micro amounts of trace metals can be the diffrence between organic and non.so let people believe what they think they know....


I invented synthetic dirt about 30 years ago and I have been slowly but surely introducing it to the biosphere to the point that it has adulterated all dirt on earth.....except for 100,000,000 cubic yards which I have sequestered in a vault in Switzerland. this is the last organic dirt on earth and it is available for a price.
:D

[throatstick]

I invented synthetic dirt about 30 years ago and I have been slowly but surely introducing it to the biosphere to the point that it has adulterated all dirt on earth.....except for 100,000,000 cubic yards which I have sequestered in a vault in Switzerland. this is the last organic dirt on earth and it is available for a price.
:D

i want in on that...lol

[Feijao]

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