Dilemma

[Totah Sam]

Well, I'm registered, have my card and am off the prescription meds. But, no one has cannabis. So, do I hold out and let the meds get out of my system and deal with the withdrawals until there is some available or do I get back on the meds and play the waiting game (jeopardy theme not included)?

I'm not into buying illegally. That just makes we waaaay too paranoid. Plus I don't know anyone that sells (being a good little Mormon boy) and I wouldn't buy if I did. I want to be 100 percent legal.

Stuck between a rock and a hard place. I guess I can get back on the meds and deal with the side-effects. ::sigh:: Come on New Mexico. Get on the ball. We need more dispensaries.

[McLuvin]

That sucks! I think I would try stepping down your dose rather then just stop taking your med's. Depending on what they have you on this can be a very difficult process.
As far as MMJ goes I really cant help you being out of state but if you were in Colo I could give you a hook up with someone.

Good Luck!

[Vancefish]

Check your local Craigslist. You might find a grower with extra meds from their own grow.

[pepurr]

Well, I'm registered, have my card and am off the prescription meds. But, no one has cannabis. So, do I hold out and let the meds get out of my system and deal with the withdrawals until there is some available or do I get back on the meds and play the waiting game (jeopardy theme not included)?

I'm not into buying illegally. That just makes we waaaay too paranoid. Plus I don't know anyone that sells (being a good little Mormon boy) and I wouldn't buy if I did. I want to be 100 percent legal.

Stuck between a rock and a hard place. I guess I can get back on the meds and deal with the side-effects. ::sigh:: Come on New Mexico. Get on the ball. We need more dispensaries.

Hi Totah Sam,

Would you be so kind as to tell us the overall attitude of the Mormon Church and/or membership, when it comes to MMJ.

I met a few Mormons when my car broke down in Utah. They seemed very nice. At the time, I didn't have any reason to consider MMJ, so I didn't think to ask such a question.

Are the Mormons a large voting block here? I hope so if they are for MMJ. :hippy:

[coolslayer]

Well, I'm registered, have my card and am off the prescription meds. But, no one has cannabis. So, do I hold out and let the meds get out of my system and deal with the withdrawals until there is some available or do I get back on the meds and play the waiting game (jeopardy theme not included)?

I'm not into buying illegally. That just makes we waaaay too paranoid. Plus I don't know anyone that sells (being a good little Mormon boy) and I wouldn't buy if I did. I want to be 100 percent legal.

Stuck between a rock and a hard place. I guess I can get back on the meds and deal with the side-effects. ::sigh:: Come on New Mexico. Get on the ball. We need more dispensaries.


I respect you as a man,but you need to get past your religious brainwashing.

[chance942]

That sucks! I think I would try stepping down your dose rather then just stop taking your med's. Depending on what they have you on this can be a very difficult process.
As far as MMJ goes I really cant help you being out of state but if you were in Colo I could give you a hook up with someone.

Good Luck!

You have PTSD right Sam? You have to be real careful how you do this. This suggestion sounds aiiiight to me,rather than dropping all of your meds. If I did that I'd end up in jail or the hospital. Be careful man,really,things can change around you that you won't even notice before it's too late.I DO speak from experience,be well.

[McLuvin]

Dude if the medicine you are on is psychotropic rather then percocet or some other narcotic I would seriously listen to what Chance has to say.
PTSD can trigger at anytime anywhere and without the right meds in your system you could lose it.
If you are having a problem with the med's and the side effects I advise you to see your doctor about changing meds. But do not just stop taking them.
This can lead to a very dark place. I know, I've been there.

BTW, please don't take this wrong, I'm not trying to be an ass, but I have always wondered if there is any truth to the South Park episode about Mormons? Do they really believe that John Smith read the book of Mormon from seer stones in a hat?

[Totah Sam]

Hi Totah Sam,

Would you be so kind as to tell us the overall attitude of the Mormon Church and/or membership, when it comes to MMJ.

I met a few Mormons when my car broke down in Utah. They seemed very nice. At the time, I didn't have any reason to consider MMJ, so I didn't think to ask such a question.

Are the Mormons a large voting block here? I hope so if they are for MMJ. :hippy:

The church, being the bastion of conservatism in the southwest, is against legalizing Cannabis. However, having a medical card and following the laws of the state is merely frowned upon.

What can I say coolslayer - I'm a Mormon through and through. :P

Thanks Chance, that's great advice. :)

McLuvin - it was Joseph Smith and the process was a little more complicated than that. *LOL*

[McLuvin]

Joseph Smith, my bad... Thanks for having a good sense of humor bro!

[Sandia]

Sam,

I am in agreement with you on being 100% legal. Some of the kind folks here have given me some sage wisdom in achieving that goal.

HOWEVER, PLEASE be VERY CAREFUL with removing yourself from your medication cold turkey. I have attempted that with some of the medications that I was on and it could have potentially ended in a very bad way.

I really encourage you to speak with your doctor on this. Let him/her know your concerns and that you want to be off of them.

I just want you to be careful!!!!

Take care buddy.....you are in my thoughts here!!!!

Sandia

[chance942]

Just backing what a dude from Colorado said Bud.You are in my thoughts too man I know how it is. I hope this means we are past my stupid choice of language,lazy. I really don't judge people and I wish upon you nothing but wellness and peace. Keep your chin up man.:thumbsup:

[pepurr]

This is so cool! People respecting other people's culture. You guys are tops in my book. :hippy:

[LetsMedicate78]

If someone is so concerned about breaking the law, wouldn't they be just as concerned about breaking federal law? I don't like the law, but if you are into following rules, it is the law of the land.

[Totah Sam]

If someone is so concerned about breaking the law, wouldn't they be just as concerned about breaking federal law? I don't like the law, but if you are into following rules, it is the law of the land.

It's legal in the State of New Mexico. That's my only concern. I'm not planning on smoking federally. :D

[LetsMedicate78]

The state of NM is inside the United States so you're "smoking federally" whether you like it or not. The state will not help you if the feds come after you because they know federal law trumps state as far as the government is concerned. Now, you may want to blow off the federal law as many have because of what your state says, but don't claim the high road saying...

quote: " I'm not into buying illegally. That just makes we waaaay too paranoid. Plus I don't know anyone that sells (being a good little Mormon boy) and I wouldn't buy if I did. I want to be 100 percent legal. "

You, like many others in the program would not want to buy it illegally because you're afraid of getting caught (or do not have the resources to do so), not because you have this great respect for laws and want to obey them all. You will never be 100% legal until the federal goverenment says so.

[coolslayer]

That's true.

Just because you are "Mormon through and through",does not mean you cannot
come out of it and get past it.I was raised in the "christian" church and discarded all that nonsense long ago. Remember,not everything that our parents taught us is true and it's not necessarily their fault because most of them are just passing on generations of what THEY were taught.Someone has to break the cycle of brainwashing sometime.Do your descendants a solid,and don't hamstring them with this nonsense for life.

[boaz]

...You will never be 100% legal until the federal goverenment says so.

Well . . . we could get into a whole 9th and 10th amendment debate about that but didn't DOJ say it was all cool now? as long as your within your State laws, that is.

[chance942]

This is so cool! People respecting other people's culture. You guys are tops in my book. :hippy:

Hopefully we can keep it civil. The last people we need to be bashing is ourselves!

[LetsMedicate78]

Well . . . we could get into a whole 9th and 10th amendment debate about that but didn't DOJ say it was all cool now? as long as your within your State laws, that is.

Well, unfortunately for your argument the DOJ does not have the ability to pass or change laws, only enforce them. And despite an administration that's friendly to the cause, there are still raids today on medical grow ops in California by DEA agents. What is the DEA's excuse for the raid? Marijuana is an illegal drug, totally (yes, medically too), under federal law. This will be the case until congress passes a bill, which the prez would have to sign into law, stating otherwise.

[Anonymouse]

It just needs to be removed as a schedule 1 drug.

[pepurr]

It just needs to be removed as a schedule 1 drug.

Just don't remove it from your schedule. :DHar Har Har Ha Ha :D

[boaz]

It just needs to be removed as a schedule 1 drug.

:greenthumb: exactly. we don't need an act of congress just an act by the FDA. I think most of the DEA raids under the new admin have been against gang and organized crime related coops, (those that affect interstate black market commerce and are not within the State laws and regulations). They are just pruning the water leaves. :)

[boaz]

Just don't remove it from your schedule. :DHar Har Har Ha Ha :D

:D :stoned:

[greenworks]

I feel your pain. This is totally unacceptable. I have been reading similar complaints since day 1.

If you can schedule the time I suggest you go the review meeting on March 30th. You should all go for that matter. Sadly I will be out of town, but a friend of mine will be reading a letter I wrote in my stead.

Speak out! Let your voices be heard. As much as I love this forum it won't serve as an agent for change unless we band together and voice our concerns towards the decision makers.

[coolslayer]

Very true!

[chance942]

Sam where you at?? You doing okay?

[Totah Sam]

Sam where you at?? You doing okay?

I'm livin' :p

I decided to quit the Paxil. I think I can handle a panic attack or two until I get some medication. I can't believe how fast the depression came crashing down on me though. WOW! :eek: I guess the Paxil was doing more than I thought it did.

Meanwhile, I'll just keep passing the open windows and hope for the best.

I haven't heard back from any of the dispensaries. Anyone have an update on that?

[Sandia]

Sam,

Glad you are with us buddy!:thumbsup:

I have been on antidepressants before to help with the chronic pain. Going cold turkey was not an option (although I tried)...I got "Brain Shivers" that had me calling my docs ASAP!

I don't have my card yet so I don't know on the producer side of things. Maybe coolslayer has heard something but I haven't seen him on here in a couple of days.

[chance942]

I'm livin' :p

I decided to quit the Paxil. I think I can handle a panic attack or two until I get some medication. I can't believe how fast the depression came crashing down on me though. WOW! :eek: I guess the Paxil was doing more than I thought it did.

Meanwhile, I'll just keep passing the open windows and hope for the best.

I haven't heard back from any of the dispensaries. Anyone have an update on that?

Awesome Bud.You just can't say you're going off your scripts and not be active on here ya know? People DO care.Thanks for the reply,I'll leave you at peace now.:)

[coolslayer]

Well, unfortunately for your argument the DOJ does not have the ability to pass or change laws, only enforce them. And despite an administration that's friendly to the cause, there are still raids today on medical grow ops in California by DEA agents. What is the DEA's excuse for the raid? Marijuana is an illegal drug, totally (yes, medically too), under federal law. This will be the case until congress passes a bill, which the prez would have to sign into law, stating otherwise.

That is true,but the Lynn and Erin Compassionate Use Act gives the NM DOH leeway to modify the MMJ program conditions as they deem necessary.

[coolslayer]

Sam,

Glad you are with us buddy!:thumbsup:

I have been on antidepressants before to help with the chronic pain. Going cold turkey was not an option (although I tried)...I got "Brain Shivers" that had me calling my docs ASAP!

I don't have my card yet so I don't know on the producer side of things. Maybe coolslayer has heard something but I haven't seen him on here in a couple of days.

I was out of town.:rastasmoke:

[chance942]

That's cool,Slayer.I was beginning to worry about you.If I was I bet others were too.Hope you had fun @ the Inn.:thumbsup:

[coolslayer]

I did,thanks.The Doobie Brothers still "got it"

[Totah Sam]

Wow, I'm still not able to get a response from anyone. Is this normal?

[Sandia]

Hi Sam,

I spoke with my doctor yesterday (one step closer to turning in the application:thumbsup:) and he had heard that the producers will be having product any time now. He may have just asked the producers or one of his other patients.

Hope that helps:)

[pepurr]

I guess the way the producers have such a hard time keeping up with demand, it is a good idea to grow your own.

Hey, if a card carrying person buys some marijuana from someone on the street, and the police sees this, would they arrest the dealer and let the card carrier go? Would they allow the card carrier leave with their purchase?

I'm thinking they would arrest the dealer. Seems kind of messed up. :(

[Sandia]

You know Pepurr....that is a REALLY good question!

[chance942]

It is easy to find someone to sell to you regardless of whether YOU are legal or not. Even if the fuzz didn't pop the dealer he would have a lot of heat from then on because of you. What I get is "let me know!",like they want to try some med grade smoke,when they are slanging White Rhino:wtf:. My answer is yes,they will pop the dealer. Besides it is never good to have people you know lose money because of you,makes bad things happen.

[pepurr]

Discretion will keep you free. :hippy:

Hey! Lets get every pot dealer out there signed up as care givers. :thumbsup:

[Totah Sam]

My grow application was rejected. I just found out today. I don't know what more I could have put down. So, growing my own is out of the question. Why does this have to be so hard?

[pepurr]

My grow application was rejected. I just found out today. I don't know what more I could have put down. So, growing my own is out of the question. Why does this have to be so hard?

That sucks! :mad:

Why did they reject it? Please give details so others may avoid the same pit falls.

Did they come over and inspect? I worry about that one because....well you know.

[Sandia]

Ohhhh Sam I am so sorry for that!!!!!!!!!

As Pepurr asked, Could you tell us why they rejected you....

If you could let us all know, without divulging too many personal things, what you put on the form? This would go a LONG way in helping others here on the site!

Hang in there buddy.....I believe you can resubmit....

I am NOT an expert at all in these matters, but I have taken the liberty to quote something out of the NM Administrative Code that may/may not help:


7.34.4.10 DENIAL OF AN INITIAL PRODUCER LICENSE:
A. Record review: All applicants whose initial application for a licensed producer has been denied
may request a record review from the department.
B. Procedure for requesting informal administrative review:
(1) An applicant given notice of an application denial may submit a written request for a record
review. To be effective, the written request shall:
(a) be made within thirty (30) calendar days, as determined by the postmark, from the date of
the denial notice issued by the department;
(b) be properly addressed to the medical cannabis program;
(c) state the applicantâ??s name, address, and telephone numbers;
(d) state the applicantâ??s proposed status as a licensed producer;
(e) provide a brief narrative rebutting the circumstances of the application denial.
(2) If the applicant wishes to submit and have considered additional documentations, such additional
documentation must be included with the request for a record review.
C. Record review proceeding: The review proceeding is intended to be an informal non-adversarial
administrative review of written documentation. It shall be conducted by an administrative review committee
designated for that purpose by the division. In cases where the administrative review committee finds the need for
additional or clarifying information, the review committee may request that the applicant supply such additional
information within the time set forth in the committeesâ?? request.
D. Final determination:
(1) Content: The administrative review committee shall render, sign and enter a written decision
setting forth the reasons for the decision and the evidence upon which the decision is based.
(2) Effect: The decision of the administrative review committee is the final decision of the informal
administrative review proceeding.
(3) Notice: A copy of the decision shall be mailed by registered or certified mail to the applicant.
E. Judicial review: Judicial review of the administrative review committeeâ??s final decision is
permitted to the extent provided by law. The party requesting the appeal shall bear the cost of such appeal.
[7.34.3.10 NMAC - N, 12/15/2008]

I am NOT a legal professional so I am not 100% on how this effects personal production, however, the NMAC does define two classes of producers:


7.34.4.8 LICENSED PRODUCER APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS:
A. The department may license two classes of producers:
(1) a qualified patient who shall produce no more than an adequate supply of marijuana for the
qualified patientâ??s personal use only; and
(2) a non-profit private entity that operates a facility and, at any one time, is limited to a total of
ninety-five (95) mature plants and seedlings and an inventory of usable marijuana that reflects current patient needs,
and that shall sell marijuana with a consistent unit price, without volume discounts.
B. Application for licensure as either a qualified patient or private entity.
(1) The issuance of an application form is in no way a guarantee that the completed application shall
be accepted or that a license will be granted. Information provided by the applicant and used by the licensing
authority for the licensing process shall be accurate and truthful. Any applicant that fails to participate in good faith
by falsifying information presented in the licensing process shall have its license denied by the licensing authority.
(2) The number of licenses issued by the department to private entities is at the discretion of the
secretary.


Perhaps others can shed some light on this subject.....

GOOD LUCK!!!! I am pulling for you!!!!:)

[chance942]

Discretion will keep you free. :hippy:

Hey! Lets get every pot dealer out there signed up as care givers. :thumbsup:

One person I know has done just that.:)

[coolslayer]

That sucks! :mad:

Why did they reject it? Please give details so others may avoid the same pit falls.

Did they come over and inspect? I worry about that one because....well you know.


I have had my personal grow license for months and have not been inspected even once.I think it depends on where you live,but I don't know the DOH's thinking on that.

[Totah Sam]

Trouble is, I don't know any dealers. I have no idea even where to start. I'm back on the Paxil again and I'm seriously considering just giving up on the Cannabis program. They've made it almost impossible to get medicine and I can't play around with medications right now with all the stress going on in my life.

It was worth a try. Of all the Medical Cannabis programs, I have to say, New Mexico is the worst. Where is the compassion in this "compassionate act?"

[Sandia]

Sam,

I am really really glad to see that you are back up here on the forum. I haven't even been able to submit my application yet....FRIDAY is the day for me. What my pain doc said and I believe someone else mentioned that the producers are supposedly going to get medicine very soon. I am sure you have already done so, but have you contacted the producers yet?

Be well Sam and have a Happy Easter!!!!

Sandia

[Totah Sam]

Sam,

I am really really glad to see that you are back up here on the forum. I haven't even been able to submit my application yet....FRIDAY is the day for me. What my pain doc said and I believe someone else mentioned that the producers are supposedly going to get medicine very soon. I am sure you have already done so, but have you contacted the producers yet?

Be well Sam and have a Happy Easter!!!!

Sandia

I received a response from SWOP and was told I would be sent a newsletter this weekend. The only response. the other three I haven't been able contact by email or phone.

[Sandia]

That's at least a start Sam! Let us all know how that works out. I posted a thought in the other thread, but you may have to put the legal description in your application. I am planning on doing that on my application.

[Anonymouse]

I'm about in the same boat. I am new to the area and my personal supply is out. I figure to get my card this week (3 weeks tomorrow since app) and I'm hoping I can meet a few people once I'm 'in the club' so to speak and help rectify this problem.

I have Chemo this week (do it every other week) and am not looking forward to doing it without meds, I haven't yet in 8 cycles.



I received a response from SWOP and was told I would be sent a newsletter this weekend. The only response. the other three I haven't been able contact by email or phone.

[pepurr]

Good luck getting your card Anonymouse. Hope you have no problems with it. Chemo sucks in one way, but I am glad for it in another way.

One of my friends told me that marijuana don't help with the side effects. It just makes it so that he don't give a damn. :S5:

I think it does help with the sides and you don't give a damn. :yippee:

[Anonymouse]

Oh I'm sure the card's coming, hehe I have 20% of the qualified medical conditions.

And yes, it helps with chemo a lot and since I've never done a treatment without it, I hope to not know just HOW MUCH it helps :)

[chance942]

Mouse it's not tourist season yet.Might head up to Santa Fe if you physically can.