Jack Flash is Back!

[TheReleafCenter]

Posting this here before it's released to the general public. Our legendary Jack Flash is in and for only $50 an 1/8th.

It's the best harvest yet. See the attached pic.

[copobo]

got some clones ready? :)

[Greenport]

jesus.... me plxxx

[TurboALLWD]

got some clones ready? :)


:lol5:

Any Grapefruit clones ready?



On a serious note, just curious if you're going to release you're lab reports on you're strains like Delta9 does? My brother wants more Grapefruit but not without proof of its medical value.

[copobo]

we just grew a grapefruit from bagseed.

I'll tell ya, it impressed all of us. It was a massive plant with super dense buds. We let it flower 70 days, prolly longer than most would, but man. great strain for pain + sleep.

[TheReleafCenter]

:lol5:

Any Grapefruit clones ready?



On a serious note, just curious if you're going to release you're lab reports on you're strains like Delta9 does? My brother wants more Grapefruit but not without proof of its medical value.

I'll try to get one scanned. The grapefruit tested with CBD's over 8%.

[KindReviews]

That Jack Flash is beautiful.

[TurboALLWD]

I'll try to get one scanned. The grapefruit tested with CBD's over 8%.


Awesome, my brother will be glad to hear that.

[PHUNKJUNKEE]

That Jack Flash is beautiful.

Hell to the Yes! :rastasmoke:

[FarmerSteve]

What's the Jack Flash and how do you grow her? Any specials for new patients?

[TheReleafCenter]

Jack Herer x Super Skunk, she's grown using the sea of green method.

We offer a free edible for any first time patients, and if you bring in a friend we offer free meds up to an 1/8th for every gram they purchase.

[MysteryBee]

Jack Herer x Super Skunk, she's grown using the sea of green method.

We offer a free edible for any first time patients, and if you bring in a friend we offer free meds up to an 1/8th for every gram they purchase.

The Jack Flash??? has got me Jacked up! :jointsmile:
Amazing, one hit wonder even after I've been burning Urkle all week... :jointsmile::wtf::stoned::thumbsup:
Best MMJ I've had for awhile, easily in my top 5 favs, hell it might have even started the "concept" of the top 5 in my brain :D

Also, I went with a friend, great place- now easily my favorite but we didn't get a free edible... Maybe I forgot to ask? I was pretty caught up with the new patient progress and all that great herb! You guys easily had some of the best C strains I've seen in awhile (I only look @ the c's, never buy lol)

[FarmerSteve]

Guys, do you have any Jack left?

[KindReviews]

If there is more left save me a 1/4 and I'll pick it up tomorrow.

[lampost]

Yeah, I need to pick some of that up too...

I've had 3 different Jack Flash's at ReLeaf... one was called Mountain Jack, it was pretty damn good. But I really liked the really fruity one that was around awhile back and was from an outside vendor. I hope it's that one!

[FarmerSteve]

Lamp, when we hear back from the guys, if it's the right "jack", we can add that to the hit list.

This is going to be a :stoned::stoned::stoned::stoned::stoned::stoned::s toned::stoned::stoned::stoned::stoned::stoned::sto ned::stoned::stoned::stoned::stoned::stoned::stone d::stoned::stoned::stoned::stoned:

weekend.

[MysteryBee]

Yeah, I need to pick some of that up too...

I've had 3 different Jack Flash's at ReLeaf... one was called Mountain Jack, it was pretty damn good. But I really liked the really fruity one that was around awhile back and was from an outside vendor. I hope it's that one!

I was told this jack flash was in house grow? I think I remember that correctly

[lampost]

Well this shit I'm sure is good, but I don't think it's the Jack that I originally fell in love with...

I got some JF last Nov/Dec and LOVED it. It was gone for awhile. I then came back later again in Dec and Jack was back. Though this time they said it was done in-house and it was better!! But when I tried it I found it was much airier and not as tasty and potent. It was pretty damn good, but not AMAZING like before.

But anyway I gotta try it and report back!

[TheReleafCenter]

Same genetics, better crop. It's done in house, although the Mountain and Simple Jack's were not. Check out the review @ kindreviews if you haven't had a chance to pick it up yet. I think it's competition level bud.

[KindReviews]

@thereleafcenter we offer a daily menu service for free. Email me for the info [email protected]

[lampost]

Eh.. I tried it. It's not bad. Not to be an asshole, but I don't think it's quite competition bud. It's hydro!

The best Jack I got in there was from a vendor back at the end of November... and I remember you had your in-house a few weeks later and said it was better, but I thought the vendor stuff was WAY better.

I'm guessing it was just a one-off then from a vendor that's not a regular. Sounds like you don't have it anymore.

The soil-grown was way denser and much TASTIER.

[lampost]

^Hey I forgot to add that this does have nice potency though... which may be the only thing some people are concerned with.

[FarmerSteve]

My experience with this strain finds me giving it a "C".

[MysteryBee]

My experience with this strain finds me giving it a "C".

Really? Lol, nice I guess. That's the best part about Herb in my opinion- That is, to each his/her own.:jointsmile: I felt that way about the OG that everyone was getting off on, meanwhile my GF swears on her life it was some of the best she has ever smoked.:thumbsup: Everything is going to hit people differently (don't even get me started on how most edibles I've tried make me sleepy and/or sick :wtf:) Peace, love and dankness for everybody!

[ColoradoCareMMJ]

My experience with this strain finds me giving it a "C".

But steve, kindreviews gave it an A :D:D:D:D

[Reenster]

This reminds me of when the Strainman was so excited about Tangerine Haze from up in the mountains. I traveled the 3 1/2 hours round trip and found some great smoke but really, the Tangerine Haze was good but for me not the come to Jesus strain I was hoping for.

I follow strain reviews to give me insight, chances are if a dispensary has one quality strain they have several. I will visit a place because of a good strain review and then choose using my own senses.

It is soooo subjective about what is the difference between an A+, A or B strain.

[MysteryBee]

This reminds me of when the Strainman was so excited about Tangerine Haze from up in the mountains. I traveled the 3 1/2 hours round trip and found some great smoke but really, the Tangerine Haze was good but for me not the come to Jesus strain I was hoping for.

I follow strain reviews to give me insight, chances are if a dispensary has one quality strain they have several. I will visit a place because of a good strain review and then choose using my own senses.

It is soooo subjective about what is the difference between an A+, A or B strain.

Reenster, exactly. I use reviews in the same sense but like I said, I agree with you. One thing EVERYONE has to remember is reviews are unique and individual to the reviewer. It's all preference, perception and an individuals expectations. I know when I went to Bryans for some Urkle, that was the highest expectations I've had yet for some herb and I WAS NOT let down, however it wasn't my "jesus stain". I give the urkle easily an A- although, I can see how people would give it an A, A+ or even B+. The jack flash? I would also give that an A-. Everyone will have their own expectations for an A+ strain but I don't think any dispensaries should be offended for anything above a B+. Furthermore, I like most have smoked a LOT of different herb from dispensaries, and I want to say that 75% of their "A" strains in my world would be a B strain yet I don't complain.

I think the price war is interesting- I've seen places that I would observe have higher overhead costs and still charging 50$ an eight where other places with obvious low overhead cost/simple set ups charging 60$. But that's where I put their herb where their mouth is. If I have 2 strains that I though were legitimately an A in my book and one was 60$ and the other 50$, well the 50$ one get's the A, and the 60$ gets an A- for real.


I've since stopped posting my reviews here because I can't help but to think whether these places really genuwinly want to know what their REAL customers opinion are or if they would rather read reviews done by people who have external influences (free herb, advertising money, PR etc) that will impair their non-biasness. I remember reading KR site almost over a year ago, and now I take the reviews with HUGE grains of salt because it's obvious there's a lot of ad revenue coming in which might impact the reviewers opinion. :hippy:

[TheReleafCenter]

That's why we post here, mainly because no one pulls any punches. Some of the best feedback you can get. You should see our thread over @ DailyBuds. It's brutal.

[travisKR]

[QUOTE=I remember reading KR site almost over a year ago, and now I take the reviews with HUGE grains of salt because it's obvious there's a lot of ad revenue coming in which might impact the reviewers opinion. :hippy:[/QUOTE]


Thank you for the feedback, it's good to understand your perceptions of our site and reviews has changed. I will always appreciate further insight if and when you want to offer it ([email protected]). :thumbsup:

To your point I want to make sure we are very clear on how we operate. We were approached by two dispensaries asking to advertise and we didn't. They kept asking and we decided that it wasn't a bad thing, it will help us further our mission, afford testing in the future, sponsor charity events, etc. so we built the ad admin into our site. I want everyone to take note of who has advertised on our site and the grades they have been given. CAM was the first to pay us, they have NEVER received an "A" and have 2 "B" grades to date. The Releaf Center has not advertised with us, they have received back to back "A" grades. Delta 9 advertises with us, they have one of the 4 "C+" grades we've given out of 100 strains. We've actually disallowed reviewsers from reviewing certain stuff because they have become friends with the owners.

Obviously people react differently and there is no way to have a review without incorporating one's opinion. If a person doesn't like our opinion and finds they consistently get opposing results on their own then they shouldn't read our reviews (funny how some people on hear don't like us and yet continue to have our name in their mouth and know what grades we gave to who - seems like a waste of their time, no?). Other people will find they agree with what we are saying and go to us regularly - and we get emails from those people thanking us for what we do. Some people have truly confused themselves on what we do - we tell people what we think, we don't tell other people what to think. Unfortunately not everyone on this site or others are as mature or as respectful of other humans beings in that light. One avenue we have taken to combat the "personal effect" is to have multiple reviewers review every strain on their own, and then review it on multiple occassions. We still write as an "I" most of the time because it's more personal but if it only did one thing to one person and two or three others it did not, we won't write that into the review, or we will clearly lable it as such "we saw one account of yadda yah".

The reality is that we haven't found another site or group that has visited more dispensaries and smoked more strains from those dispensaries than what we have. So, even if you know that you personally disagree with our "taste and smell" regularly it could still be of benefit to compare our reviews across a sampling of what you may pick up today because we stay consistent and we've collected samples/reviews at such depth and breadth. Everyday we work to enlargen that base so people just like the ones on this forum have more information to use for themselves. It would be a sad day for all of us at KindReviews to learn that any people viewed us as a demigogue and digested our reviews with no thoughts on their own. The whole MMJ movement is about thinking, about alternatives, about options - those are core to KindReviews as well.

PS - KR.com doesn't receive enough monthly revenue to pay for one apartment lease. I could mow lawns for a month and make more money ;) The real bias (and completely understandable) comes from parents talking about their own kids - read growers and shop owners discussing their own product. That's not even debatable.

[FarmerSteve]

Really? Lol, nice I guess. That's the best part about Herb in my opinion- That is, to each his/her own.:jointsmile: I felt that way about the OG that everyone was getting off on, meanwhile my GF swears on her life it was some of the best she has ever smoked.:thumbsup: Everything is going to hit people differently (don't even get me started on how most edibles I've tried make me sleepy and/or sick :wtf:) Peace, love and dankness for everybody!

Thanks for the kind words MB, and I agree. Shoot man, I tell everyone that the HARDEST, and I mean HARDEST hitting indica type of herb (who knows WFT it really was) I have EVER smoked was some home grown stuff in Arizona that looked like shit, and had almost no taste. It was unreal. We started watching the movie "Training Day", and almost two hours later I "came to" and realized that I had thought the movie was real life, and I had somehow been riding around with the two of them!! :stoned:

And this was after ONE hit at a time when I'd do in an 1/8 of good stuff a day. So what would that get as a rating? It was an "F' on the looks, smell and taste scale, but the high was the most potent my wife or I have ever experienced, even 10 years later. I ignorantly decided to take a couple of rips before I went home. It was a quick 10 minute drive, but it took nearly an hour, and I have no idea where I was or what I was doing. I could barely move. The wife was hella pissed, UNTIL she hit it, and then she went from awake and livid to flat ass mumbling in about 5 minutes.

And there's more stories to tell, but that should suffice. What I saying is it's all up to the person as far as the high goes. It hits us all differently. BUT, there are other things to be considered if we must rate weed, which I again argue is borderline pointless UNLESS you are a person who smokes a bunch of the world's best herb all the time and have the skills to interpret certain things.

This herb looks nice, has a good cure to it, okay aroma. BUT, there is little to no taste, and of course that means that you'll have the ashy after taste, so it's a wide swing. I tried another bowl last night and got very little out of it.

Maybe this is one that is lost on me? But based on taste alone, there is NO WAY that this is an "A" along the line of CCF's "Urkel OGK".

NO WAY.

[travisKR]

I've since stopped posting my reviews here because I can't help but to think whether these places really genuwinly want to know what their REAL customers opinion are or if they would rather read reviews done by people who have external influences (free herb, advertising money, PR etc) that will impair their non-biasness.:

MB, this isn't directed at you, your quote just made me think of it.

I forgot to mention that the people who are KR.com are also REAL customers. We are patients and we medicate for purpose as well as review - and we buy the medicine that is the best from the places that sell it. We've purchased Banner#3, DJ Shorts, Jack Flash, Plum Kush and others. We will continue to do so, including some of our B+ grades as my wife, another real customer, only prefers 2 strains and they both earned that mark and we pay for it.

KR.com is a part of the MMJ community, the larger Metro community in general, and we put energy and money right back into it every single day. :)

[Denvertoad]

Travis...

Question for ya..

How do MMJ reviewers procure the product to be reviewed?

I'm thinking that a truly unbiased and honest review would follow the Consumer Reports type of model. Reviewer would not accept gratis product and would purchase unknown to dispensary or grower. Testing would be a combination of subjective and objective. Any comment?

... You posted while I was typing. Thanks for your comments.

[lampost]

Well, I will tell you since no one at KR chimed in. They do come in and tell who they are. And it is not unheard of for them to receive large samples for free. Hell, they gotta get pictures ya know. Some dispensaries obviously don't play the game. And this is where some bias can be introduced. Would you give an A to the guy who threw you a gram and a B to the guy who threw you an ounce?! Might be hard... You gotta make that guy feel appreciated for kicking you an ounce!

I thought about doing a dispensary review site, but I couldn't reconcile how to pull in revenue without being biased. The ideas I came up with were changing the entire direction of the site, so I scrapped it.

Now this thread is a great example of why I don't read strain reviews. I've gotten 3 different Jack Flashs at ReLeaf alone!! How can you say "Jack Flash is an A from ReLeaf", when there've been 3 different JF's there?! Because the grower is just as important as the strain!

And I didn't see what this strain got. I heard it was an A. That is just laughable that a ubiquitious strain like JF, grown in hydro, would beat out a purple OG cut (ah... that nobody else even HAS), grown in soil, by a damn-fine competition level grower. Laughable my friend.

Its hard not to let bias in, but I've seen those ads on your page. I don't have time to pick apart your website. I did notice Delta-9 had several A+ strains and I noticed several inflated reviews of stuff I'd personally smoked before.

Is that why you guys keep making new websites, so you can pay the rent on ALL of your apartments/houses?

[travisKR]

Travis...

Question for ya..

How do MMJ reviewers procure the product to be reviewed?

I'm thinking that a truly unbiased and honest review would follow the Consumer Reports type of model. Reviewer would not accept gratis product and would purchase unknown to dispensary or grower. Testing would be a combination of subjective and objective. Any comment?

... You posted while I was typing. Thanks for your comments.
denverToad, nice to see you on here too, i'm the same Travis on nationalweedographic as well.

I can't speak for all review sites, but the process worked like this for KR. We only purchased at the beginning, nobody heard of us, we were the first review site in CO, it was unclear what whould happen. Once stores started getting customers and calls asking about strains on our site, the next time we went in they wouldn't let us pay. We let them know that if it sucks it will still get a bad grade, period. Everyone that got a bad grade has accepted it, and many have received, in their minds, bad grades.

So, we discussed the pros and cons. It would be nice to buy eveything undercover, but it's also important to get as many strains from as many places as possible. Can we personally afford to purchase and still meetin our larger mission? The answer then, as it remains right now, is no. We can't afford to operate under that model, so how do we account for potential bias, how can we keep this as close to it's start point as possible? We decided to have multiple people go to different shops to avoid friendship scenarios as best as possible. We perform smell tests right away, but we then stagger and sort review samples across the calendar to avoid the reviewer thinking of the budtender hype that was given, most often using new reviewers altogether that never even saw that store or know where it came from.

I think you raise very valid points, DT, and I hope that things work out well enough so that we have the ability to purchase everything we review. However, under the current circumstances I think we've gone way beyond what any other site is doing (I know we have in fact) and that the safeguards we have in place do add value. To the honest point, we are honest, that's a definite. Buying or accepting plays to bias I concur, but what affects the body how is written meticulously and we will not post a review that doesn' have multiple people and we read the reviewer's notes to ensure they were taken with time intervals and our process was followed.

As an example of us doing our very best, we have chosen not to review any more of CCF's strains after the UrklexOG. We've heard from owners or growers before regarding the grade or review but this was the first attack on our characters and our veracity. They lied about grades we had previously posted and they refused to interact off the forum. I've spoken with Bryan's mother at CCF, I've left messages fro Bryan to call me, and I've emailed Bryan as a business owner explaining that I'd like to remove emotion and meet him in person so we can simply get to know each other better as human beings. He has refused to even respond. In light of the forum exchanges and the behavior display we felt there was toomuch of a chance for bias to play a role, so we have offered to return the samples CCF gave us.

This is a dispensary with a large online presence, good medicine, and broad marketing. It doesn't benefit KR.com to refrain from having them, it's just the right thing to do.

Since you are on NW.com please go in there and start a comment on my wall for how we can improve the use of the KR.com site for you, address any concerns, etc in light of our mission and the above realities. Even with all the negativity spewed by CCF and their ilk, we still listened to them and altered our site to better account for their complaints and desires. We're all ears...and occassionally mouths ;)

[travisKR]

And I didn't see what this strain got. I heard it was an A. That is just laughable that a ubiquitious strain like JF, grown in hydro, would beat out a purple OG cut (ah... that nobody else even HAS), grown in soil, by a damn-fine competition level grower. Laughable my friend.

Its hard not to let bias in, but I've seen those ads on your page. I don't have time to pick apart your website. I did notice Delta-9 had several A+ strains and I noticed several inflated reviews of stuff I'd personally smoked before.

Is that why you guys keep making new websites, so you can pay the rent on ALL of your apartments/houses?

Nobody else has cliff divers, so Casa Bonita is an A+ right, best restaurant out there, one of a kind. C'mon man, that is irrelavent to the grade. If we know that info, we highlight it in the review, see the Quail or Real Lemon. I'm willing to have real discussion about how reviewers and sites can better benefit the MMJ community, but you aren't now and haven't been thus far. Seriously, you talked smack on us for the UrklexOG for posts and posts and then later that day you post "I haven't tried it yet". That, my friend, is laughable.

We've never recieved an OZ from anyone, we've never received more than 2 grams and usually it's only 1.

My name is on this site, my real name, my website addresses, I've left my email for your friends, you have it right up above there, email me and I'll give you my cell number. Pick a place and I'll come have lunch with you.

Where are you? Hiding under a lampshade talking shit.... :(

[lampost]

denverToad, nice to see you on here too, i'm the same Travis on nationalweedographic as well.

I can't speak for all review sites, but the process worked like this for KR. We only purchased at the beginning, nobody heard of us, we were the first review site in CO, it was unclear what whould happen. Once stores started getting customers and calls asking about strains on our site, the next time we went in they wouldn't let us pay. We let them know that if it sucks it will still get a bad grade, period. Everyone that got a bad grade has accepted it, and many have received, in their minds, bad grades.

So, we discussed the pros and cons. It would be nice to buy eveything undercover, but it's also important to get as many strains from as many places as possible. Can we personally afford to purchase and still meetin our larger mission? The answer then, as it remains right now, is no. We can't afford to operate under that model, so how do we account for potential bias, how can we keep this as close to it's start point as possible? We decided to have multiple people go to different shops to avoid friendship scenarios as best as possible. We perform smell tests right away, but we then stagger and sort review samples across the calendar to avoid the reviewer thinking of the budtender hype that was given, most often using new reviewers altogether that never even saw that store or know where it came from.

I think you raise very valid points, DT, and I hope that things work out well enough so that we have the ability to purchase everything we review. However, under the current circumstances I think we've gone way beyond what any other site is doing (I know we have in fact) and that the safeguards we have in place do add value. To the honest point, we are honest, that's a definite. Buying or accepting plays to bias I concur, but what affects the body how is written meticulously and we will not post a review that doesn' have multiple people and we read the reviewer's notes to ensure they were taken with time intervals and our process was followed.

As an example of us doing our very best, we have chosen not to review any more of CCF's strains after the UrklexOG. We've heard from owners or growers before regarding the grade or review but this was the first attack on our characters and our veracity. They lied about grades we had previously posted and they refused to interact off the forum. I've spoken with Bryan's mother at CCF, I've left messages fro Bryan to call me, and I've emailed Bryan as a business owner explaining that I'd like to remove emotion and meet him in person so we can simply get to know each other better as human beings. He has refused to even respond. In light of the forum exchanges and the behavior display we felt there was toomuch of a chance for bias to play a role, so we have offered to return the samples CCF gave us.

This is a dispensary with a large online presence, good medicine, and broad marketing. It doesn't benefit KR.com to refrain from having them, it's just the right thing to do.

Since you are on NW.com please go in there and start a comment on my wall for how we can improve the use of the KR.com site for you, address any concerns, etc in light of our mission and the above realities. Even with all the negativity spewed by CCF and their ilk, we still listened to them and altered our site to better account for their complaints and desires. We're all ears...and occassionally mouths ;)

I really feel the need to step in here and stand up for CCF.

First off Travis, you weren't involved at all in the CCF thread where this all went down.... it was Tim. So, you must've heard all of this second-hand... where's Tim...

Bryan seems like a super chill guy and his posts would indicate that... he wasn't even really involved in the argument, go back and read it. It was Bryan's customers FIERCELY defending his high-quality herb!! I was the one calling out the strain grades and I made the mistakes (honestly). What does that say about CCF, huh? He didn't even have to open his fuckin' mouth man! The customers were the ones who called out your review site, me specifically! So, don't try to pin any of this on CCF.

Tim initially suggested the "challenge" between Banner, Plum Kush, and Purple OG. Bryan never once showed any interest in this. You guys tried to play this off as a way to show that your rating system was non-biased. However, a few of us realized that with you "hand-picking" the competition, that the cards were stacked against Purple OG. Obviously, there's weed out there that's as good or better than Purple OG (although it's hard to find). So you guys were "stacking the deck" with strains you'd had before that you knew could hang with Purple OG. A true test of your would've been random selections from the "A" and "A+" categories, no? So why the fuck would CCF want to compete in that? I don't blame him at all...

I say don't exclude CCF on account of what their patients did man! You should be reviewing more of their shit after you found out how passionate some of their customers are, eh? Man, for you guys and all your "law-school" talk your a bunch of jokers...

EDIT: I'm not interested in sharing my personal info on here buddy... just my ideas. The fact that I don't want to share my personal info on the same board where I ask grow questions doesn't make me a pussy. I think your strain reviews are bullshit, that's all. And I'll continue to call out your bullshit all day... 2 gram samples, huh?

[KindReviews]

Oh man this is basically slander towards Bryan/CCF. I really feel the need to step in here and speak the truth and stand up for Bryan.

First off Travis, you weren't involved at all in the CCF thread where this all went down.... it was Tim. So, you must've heard all of this second-hand... where's Tim...

Bryan seems like a super chill guy and his posts would indicate that... he wasn't even really involved in the argument, go back and read it. It was Bryan's customers FIERCELY defending his high-quality herb!! I was the one calling out the strain grades and I made the mistakes (honestly). What does that say about CCF, huh? He didn't even have to open his fuckin' mouth man! The customers were the ones who called out your review site, me specifically! So, don't try to pin any of this on CCF.

Tim initially suggested the "challenge" between Banner, Plum Kush, and Purple OG. Bryan never once showed any interest in this. You guys tried to play this off as a way to show that your rating system was non-biased. However, a few of us realized that with you "hand-picking" the competition, that the cards were stacked against Purple OG. Obviously, there's weed out there that's as good or better than Purple OG (although it's hard to find). So you guys were "stacking the deck" with strains you'd had before that you knew could hang with Purple OG. A true test of your would've been random selections from the "A" and "A+" categories, no? So why the fuck would CCF want to compete in that? I don't blame him at all...

I say don't exclude CCF on account of what their patients did man! You should be reviewing more of their shit after you found out how passionate some of their customers are, eh? Man, for you guys and all your "law-school" talk I thought you'd be a bit more logical...


I'm right here and that lampshade is another lie from you. Bryan said he would put the Urkel Og up against the strains reviewed. That was his idea!!


I would love to take any of those strains mentioned and put them next to the urkle og and see what patients pick!!!!!!!!!!:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:


We set up an unbiased review board of people we didn't even know and you guys backed out and said you were just going to throw your own. What is that about?

Im actually looking to put on a Connoisseur's Cannabis Cup with a few other growers and patients from colorado. Ive been involved with too many shady sponsored cannabis competitions and if im going to enter in one I will only do so if I KNOW that there is no hidden interests and ive found the only way to do that is host your own....:jointsmile::jointsmile:

[lampost]

I'm right here and that lampshade is another lie from you. Bryan said he would put the Urkel Og up against the strains reviewed.




We set up an unbiased review board of people we didn't even know and you guys backed out and said you were just going to throw your own. What is that about?

Damn, you must've had that thread memorized! I didn't remember him showing any interest... was just going to go back and check and you beat me to it! I'm not afraid to admit when I'm wrong.

Oh well, the fact still stands that your strain reviews are definitely biased, despite all your efforts to say otherwise. And I think they're bullshit! 2 grams, huh? Is that a new policy!?!

When you said CCH in that last thread was that a little slip? They looked like one of your biggest backers last time I checked...

I'm not hiding under anything buddy. I'll stay with you. However, I'm not going to give out my contact info on here as I also post growing questions on here.

EDIT: My bad. It wasn't a lie it was a mistake.

[travisKR]

EDIT: I'm not interested in sharing my personal info on here buddy... just my ideas. The fact that I don't want to share my personal info on the same board where I ask grow questions doesn't make me a pussy. I think your strain reviews are bullshit, that's all. And I'll continue to call out your bullshit all day... 2 gram samples, huh?

Have you met me, have you met anyone from KR.com in person? This is your reality as you created it, negativity. You don't have to post info here, I gave you my info so you can contact me. I'm not hiding what I do or why I do it, or even how I do it - and yet you still continue to lie (one is a mistake, but two, three...) as we have NEVER received more than a 2 gram sample for review, NEVER.

KR.com's biases or potential bias have been open discussion. I've opened our doors, I've asked for feedback, I've made changes based upon that feedback. Your biases on the other hand are covered, under smoke, non-negotiable. So is your identity and potential concomitant angles. Spade.

[ColoradoCareMMJ]

We set up an unbiased review board of people we didn't even know and you guys backed out and said you were just going to throw your own. What is that about?



I never boasted the urkle og. The fact is i got a stable of strains that are as good or better. I told you all that I would love to stick my urkle og in a jar next to the strains you all quoted as being better (afgooey, blue dream, nycd, hong kong, if my memory serves correct). Now its the urkle og against the two best strains you can find?? Why would I bother to participate when your picking the judges and its already beyond obvious you have a vendetta agianst our shop??

[lampost]

Why would someone want to compete when they are competing within the very framework they doubted?

That's too bad for patients who use your site that you're not going to be reviewing CCF strains anymore...

[ColoradoCareMMJ]

As an example of us doing our very best, we have chosen not to review any more of CCF's strains after the UrklexOG. We've heard from owners or growers before regarding the grade or review but this was the first attack on our characters and our veracity. They lied about grades we had previously posted and they refused to interact off the forum. I've spoken with Bryan's mother at CCF, I've left messages fro Bryan to call me, and I've emailed Bryan as a business owner explaining that I'd like to remove emotion and meet him in person so we can simply get to know each other better as human beings. He has refused to even respond. In light of the forum exchanges and the behavior display we felt there was toomuch of a chance for bias to play a role, so we have offered to return the samples CCF gave us.

This is a dispensary with a large online presence, good medicine, and broad marketing. It doesn't benefit KR.com to refrain from having them, it's just the right thing to do.

Since you are on NW.com please go in there and start a comment on my wall for how we can improve the use of the KR.com site for you, address any concerns, etc in light of our mission and the above realities. Even with all the negativity spewed by CCF and their ilk, we still listened to them and altered our site to better account for their complaints and desires. We're all ears...and occassionally mouths ;)


You need to get your facts straight. For you to insult my shop like this is beyond unprofessional, its completly childish and it truly speaks to the character of kind reviews. I haven't contacted you because I have been extremely busy and to be honest I really have had nothing to say until now. I feel completly betrayed and attacked when I have done nothing more than give your representives free medicine. I knew from the beginning this would be trouble, I should have listened more intuitively to my conscious.

[KindReviews]

Why would someone want to compete when they are competing within the very framework they doubted?

That's too bad for patients who use your site that you're not going to be reviewing CCF strains anymore...
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lampost
Registered+ Join Date: Nov-15-2007
Posts: 672


Why would someone want to compete when they are competing within the very framework they doubted?

That's too bad for patients who use your site that you're not going to be reviewing CCF strains anymore...

Sounds like you guys are sincerely trying to give honest reviews though, so more power to you. I guess I have been pretty negative man... good point. I've said my peace and I'll chill.


I was just about to thank you for the posting that you've been pretty negative and that it seems that we are trying to be honest. Why the edit?

[lampost]

I'm right here and that lampshade is another lie from you. Bryan said he would put the Urkel Og up against the strains reviewed. That was his idea!!




We set up an unbiased review board of people we didn't even know and you guys backed out and said you were just going to throw your own. What is that about?

Man, I am WAY to quick to admit that I'm wrong. Here's the original post and quote from CCF:

Originally Posted by KindReviews

An A- for the Urkel-OG says this definitively, KR.com thinks this is above
average in a group of superstars, it stands on its own as an amazing strain
and should be acquired whenever possible. But it also says this, out of our
multi-reviewer team, reviewing on multiple occasions and under differing
circumstances we feel the Afgooey (Delta 9), the Blue Dream (CCH), the Hong
Kong, and the Skunk #1 (HC) all had more consistently strong effects than
did the Urkel-OG. Is that bad? No. Is it true? Yes - for us. We've
reviewed them all this exact same way. We are all in our 30s, we've all
smoked for 15+ years daily, some of us grow, we have different reasons for
getting our cards. If one strain makes all of us say A and another has one
A+, A, A-, A-, B, B it's getting an A- or B+ (and would probably be
re-reviewed just on that question, A- or B+).

Bryan/CCF response:

I would love to take any of those strains mentioned and put them next to the urkle og and see what patients pick!!!!!!!!!!

So, I told you KR, he never was up for this challenge. It was basically your concoction. Like I said, we had questions about your rating system and then you go and create this competition where you stack the deck and pick strains that you know can hang with the Urkle OG!! So, I'm gonna have to say that you're the one who is full of shit my friend!

EDIT: KR, I edited that post because I had second thoughts when you just lied to me!

[travisKR]

Actually Bryan, we don't have a vendetta. I reached out to you personally so we could talk for real, not post and post and post. We liked your UrkleOG, we were happy we'd be able to offer your "stable" to our KR.com readers. I'm still open to it - lamp has posted real lies about us so that's is WAY not cool. You've only argued and disagreed, nothing that can't be overcome in my opinion. The only issue is when I email and call and leave my cell number for adult conversation about how everybody in the MMJ community can avoid the negativity that was fostered in this forum, by us (both KR and CCF) you balked.

The two strains that got suggested were two that we know we could get, grown by same grower and from the same shop that we reviewed previously. The ego is small over here, Bryan, I promise you. If KR.com's curve is the exact opposite of the 3 largest competitions on earth I won't be mad or hurt. They are our opinions, just like every review and just like yours. We take cross sections to increase validity and sample opinions to provide a breadth of information for our readers. We think that's a good thing. So if you still want to do a cup we are in, and not to prove ourselves, there is nothing to prove, our opinion won't change. We will do it because it will be fun, and should get good people together to have a good time.

[KindReviews]

Too much

[lampost]

Actually Bryan, we don't have a vendetta. I reached out to you personally so we could talk for real, not post and post and post. We liked your UrkleOG, we were happy we'd be able to offer your "stable" to our KR.com readers. I'm still open to it - lamp has posted real lies about us so that's is WAY not cool. You've only argued and disagreed, nothing that can't be overcome in my opinion. The only issue is when I email and call and leave my cell number for adult conversation about how everybody in the MMJ community can avoid the negativity that was fostered in this forum, by us (both KR and CCF) you balked.

The two strains that got suggested were two that we know we could get, grown by same grower and from the same shop that we reviewed previously. The ego is small over here, Bryan, I promise you. If KR.com's curve is the exact opposite of the 3 largest competitions on earth I won't be mad or hurt. They are our opinions, just like every review and just like yours. We take cross sections to increase validity and sample opinions to provide a breadth of information for our readers. We think that's a good thing. So if you still want to do a cup we are in, and not to prove ourselves, there is nothing to prove, our opinion won't change. We will do it because it will be fun, and should get good people together to have a good time.

As far as the lies from me, read the post right above yours :thumbsup:

You KNOW you can get Banner?!? It sells out in an hour! They tell patients to just keep calling back if they want it... maybe they'll get lucky. People wait in line before the dispensary opens to get Banner. There's people on here who've been trying to get Banner for MONTHS and cannot... :confused: I'm not even going to raise any more questions about how you get Banner so easily!

I'm done in this thread.

[travisKR]

You need to get your facts straight. For you to insult my shop like this is beyond unprofessional, its completly childish and it truly speaks to the character of kind reviews. I haven't contacted you because I have been extremely busy and to be honest I really have had nothing to say until now. I feel completly betrayed and attacked when I have done nothing more than give your representives free medicine. I knew from the beginning this would be trouble, I should have listened more intuitively to my conscious.

We reviewed your strain, gave it a grade we believed in and would stand behind, and explained what we thought about it. We even opend the kimono and explained our bell curve, our policies and rationale (stuff many other sites will no doubt start incorporating into their models) and opened dialogue. This forum found you, FarmerSteve and Lampost specifically talking shit on KR.com, our motives, and our veracity. That was the foundation of everything since. Ironic that you feel attacked and betrayed. That's why I called you twice, and emailed you - to discuss that feeling and get back to a human level. Here is the exact email: 3/26/10

"Hey Brian,

I just talked with your mom on the phone, very nice lady. We havenâ??t met yet, I believe you met my brother and one or two of my staff. I just wanted an opportunity to chat on the phone or in person because I recently read some of the forums and I must say I was quite surprised at the overall interaction. I think that maybe the two of us can communicate at a little higher/meaningful level, as the last thing I will let happen is to lose relationships with people inside of the MMJ movement or scene or what have you. As a patient and an attorney, people are all that matter, and since you belong to that group I want to ensure positive relationships. Are you open?

Best,
Travis
KR.com"

I don't know what else I could have done, Brian. I really wanted, and still want, to meet with you personally one on one. I like people, almost all of them and I find it hard to believe that we couldn't find common ground and assist the MMJ community. I just coudn't allow people to question our veracity. We've explained our motives and gone over and over our advertisers, they are in plain sight and so are all of the grades those shops have received. It isn't a secret.

[travisKR]

As far as the lies from me, read the post right above yours :thumbsup:

You KNOW you can get Banner?!? It sells out in an hour! They tell patients to just keep calling back if they want it... maybe they'll get lucky. People wait in line before the dispensary opens to get Banner. There's people on here who've been trying to get Banner for MONTHS and cannot... :confused: I'm not even going to raise any more questions about how you get Banner so easily!

I'm done in this thread.

We called and Jason was available, we asked him if he'd have Banner available if such and such could get orchestrated. He said, certainly. WAY CRAZY.

[ColoradoCareMMJ]

We reviewed your strain, gave it a grade we believed in and would stand behind, and explained what we thought about it. We even opend the kimono and explained our bell curve, our policies and rationale (stuff many other sites will no doubt start incorporating into their models) and opened dialogue. This forum found you, FarmerSteve and Lampost specifically talking shit on KR.com, our motives, and our veracity. That was the foundation of everything since. Ironic that you feel attacked and betrayed. That's why I called you twice, and emailed you - to discuss that feeling and get back to a human level. Here is the exact email: 3/26/10

I don't know what else I could have done, Brian. I really wanted, and still want, to meet with you personally one on one. I like people, almost all of them and I find it hard to believe that we couldn't find common ground and assist the MMJ community. I just coudn't allow people to question our veracity. We've explained our motives and gone over and over our advertisers, they are in plain sight and so are all of the grades those shops have received. It isn't a secret.


Anything you need to say to me can be sent in an email or more preferably posted online for everyone to read.

[travisKR]

Anything you need to say to me can be sent in an email or more preferably posted online for everyone to read.
So your answer is, no, you are not open to relationships and finding common ground. I wish it were different, but I will respect your position. I won't bother you any more, and I apologize for offenses and transgressions of the past, both mine and anyone representing KR.com. Our best wishes to you and yours.

[ColoradoCareMMJ]

So your answer is, no, you are not open to relationships and finding common ground. I wish it were different, but I will respect your position. I won't bother you any more, and I apologize for offenses and transgressions of the past, both mine and anyone representing KR.com. Our best wishes to you and yours.

What kind of realationship were you hoping for after you disrespected, insulted and slandered my dispensary and patients ?

[KindReviews]

Best of luck to you Bryan, I wish we could have worked through this like professionals. The door is always open.

[ColoradoCareMMJ]

Best of luck to you Bryan, I wish we could have worked through this like professionals. The door is always open.

Are you insinuiating that I have been unprofessional in this matter? You have the audacity to attack my shop (after recieving free medicine), then can't even muster an apology when you realize your cries are untrue and you claim I am the one being unprofessional? Real classy fellas...

[KindReviews]

But steve, kindreviews gave it an A :D:D:D:D

You're right Bryan this was very professional. We have offered many times to return the 3 other strains (around a gram each) you gave us as they won't be reviewed. We tried to contact you and you refused. And we left the whole thing alone until you posted the above statement.

[ColoradoCareMMJ]

Your right Bryan this was very professional.

But you DID give it an A :D:D:D

[travisKR]

I won't bother you any more, and I apologize for offenses and transgressions of the past, both mine and anyone representing KR.com. Our best wishes to you and yours.

I did, and am.

[FarmerSteve]

[/Quote] Even with all the negativity spewed by CCF and their ilk [/QUOTE]

[FarmerSteve]

Even with all the negativity spewed by CCF and their ilk,

Nonsense!!

I showed you NOTHING but a persistent attitude based on OBVIOUS issues with ANY sort of weed rating system. If you want to call names, at least be a man and dialogue before you get snitty. Damn it, I AM NOT trying to turn this into a feud. HOWEVER, educated and enlightened individuals NEED to be able to work through things together without acting like a bunch of 5th graders. Damn Americans we all are.

So look, let's take a breath, ALL of us. I don't have time to read all of this but KR, since you have now openly taken a personal shot at me, maybe you could be so kind as to actually take issue with one of my points and talk about that. Because I'm not seeing any of that. Let's start here.

1. I doubt any of you have a pallet like I was born with and have spent 10's of thousands of dollars training in everything from wine to cheese to different types of cinnamon. I'm a mutant, and I work at developing the gift. Anyone ever spent an afternoon blind taste testing different cinnamon? I have, and do, it's a love of mine. I don't eat fried food or refined sugar, or any one of several other taste robbing "foods".

I then put my money where my mouth is and said that I would openly accept a challenge to said pallet using the only accepted standard I could think of. If you can think of another one, please let me know. The bottom line is that I simply can taste things that 9,999 out of a thousand cannot. And I can explain them. So, really, KNOWING what I KNOW, why should I believe people who say that their credentials are, "We've been around it for a long time"? Has anyone who is an accepted EXPERT ever told you that you know what you're doing?

This isn't just at you KR, but the whole process reeks. Bryan and these guys see it from one perspective, I see it from another.


I am willing to have anyone's pallet put against mine. We can go to a brewery if you want, as long as their in house rep or the brew master is there. We can write down what we each taste and have him look at it. He KNOWS what he's doing when he built the beer, and he KNOWS what's in there. We'll see who understands what and who should be telling who what something smells or tastes like. Fair enough? Again, money and credibility where my mouth is. That USED to be the American way. Now it's all built on the show and credit. I'm like Missouri, "Show Me".

Question is, if I can taste it, and I know most all of you can't based my layman's understanding simple genetics, and my reviews don't match up to yours, why should I not say something? I'm not trying to sound like a prick, but I know what I have. And are we not community? Do we not all have a right to speak if it with love and charity?

I don't deserve to be called names for merely pointing out the flaws in the system.

[travisKR]

I don't deserve to be called names for merely pointing out the flaws in the system.

I'm sorry Steve.

[ColoradoCareMMJ]

You're right Bryan this was very professional. We have offered many times to return the 3 other strains (around a gram each) you gave us as they won't be reviewed. We tried to contact you and you refused. And we left the whole thing alone until you posted the above statement.


I went through the trouble to give you samples to review. Now you cant even be bothered with it because you all got your feelings hurt. Thanks for ripping us off for nearly a quarter of top shelf medicine. If you really had any integrity you would come pay me for the medicine youve wasted. -B

[travisKR]

I went through the trouble to give you samples to review. Now you cant even be bothered with it because you all got your feelings hurt. Thanks for ripping us off for nearly a quarter of top shelf medicine. If you really had any integrity you would come pay me for the medicine youve wasted. -B

Brian, the only thing that has been opened is the UrklexOG (and Diesel Dawg was reviewed, sorry I forgot about that one). I have the samples in hand and have been asking for you to call me and meet me so I can give them to you and actually talk. Would you like me to drop them off for you/to you?

I am still willing to move forward, and would love to be bothered with it, but we covered that earlier in this thread and I'm respecting your position. I won't pay for what I'm not smoking, but I won't waste or steal your medicine, that's on my kids. I'm also willing to donate it, as we do for some of our leftover samples. Just tell me, and I'll comply.

[ColoradoCareMMJ]

Brian, the only thing that has been opened is the UrklexOG (and Diesel Dawg was reviewed, sorry I forgot about that one). I have the samples in hand and have been asking for you to call me and meet me so I can give them to you and actually talk. Would you like me to drop them off for you/to you?

I am still willing to move forward, and would love to be bothered with it, but we covered that earlier in this thread and I'm respecting your position. I won't pay for what I'm not smoking, but I won't waste or steal your medicine, that's on my kids. I'm also willing to donate it, as we do for some of our leftover samples. Just tell me, and I'll comply.

Its already wasted. I wont put it back on the shelf and im certainly not going to smoke it.

[travisKR]

Its already wasted. I wont put it back on the shelf and im certainly not going to smoke it.

Okay, I'll donate it and send your store the receipts :)

[davo420]

Nobody else has cliff divers, so Casa Bonita is an A+ right, best restaurant out there, one of a kind. C'mon man, that is irrelavent to the grade.

This made me laugh!:)

[travisKR]

This made me laugh!:)

Dave, thanks for a smile. I laughed after I re-read that too. Casa Bonita!

[Kartel]

Dave, thanks for a smile. I laughed after I re-read that too. Casa Bonita!

Restaurant critics don't tell a restaurant when they go inside because then their review would be inherently biased...

you guys should reconsider identifying yourselves and asking for free medicine, that is just F$*(&U$ up system in the same way!

[ColoradoCareMMJ]

Okay, I'll donate it and send your store the receipts :)

Yeah you can do that but yal cant bother to actually do your job. Im just glad this is public forums so everyone can see you all for what you are.

[travisKR]

Yeah you can do that but yal cant bother to actually do your job. Im just glad this is public forums so everyone can see you all for what you are.

Ditto :)

[lampost]

I don't appreciate being called a liar. That's not very professional either... err I guess it is for an attorney.


To the honest point, we are honest, that's a definite.

Oh yeah, that's why you twisted words to say that I lied about this 3-way challenge:


Tim initially suggested the "challenge" between Banner, Plum Kush, and Purple OG. Bryan never once showed any interest in this.

This was the truth and anyone can go back and read it in the CCF thread! You guys are as honest and unbiased as any lawyers I guess...

Only 2 gram samples? I think we see that's not the case either...

Just let it rest and take comfort in the fact that no one else even cares about this thread or cannabis.com for that matter! I'm sorry I started this...

[davo420]

It was basically your concoction. Like I said, we had questions about your rating system and then you go and create this competition where you stack the deck and pick strains that you know can hang with the Urkle OG!!

Isn't that the point of a legitimate competition..??

Stack the deck? You should want to beat the best of the best. Not a layup against a bunch of brick weed.

[lampost]

Isn't that the point of a legitimate competition..??

Stack the deck? You should want to beat the best of the best. Not a layup against a bunch of brick weed.

Yeah, that's not the point. Go back and read the other thread.

It was a question of the KR ratings system man. A few thought the Urkel received an unfair grade and suggested a test of the rating system, not a competition. A test of the rating system would've best been accomplished with a random A strain and a random A+ strain to compare to the Urkle OG which was an A-. When KR is defending their own rating system and picks two uncontested A+ strains (ones they got right) to go up against the Urkle OG... I don't feel that's an accurate test of their ratings system. Do you? It's a competition for sure, but that was never what this was about. No one ever said the Urkle OG was the best herb around, just thought it got a bum rating. FUCK, read the thread, I'm so sick of this...

[FarmerSteve]

I'm sorry Steve.

Thanks KR. I too want to apologize for the way that my passionate remarks could have affected you. I do NOT want to be the cause of anyone's stress or anger, at least if I can help it. I should have been more gentle. I stand by what I said, but I believe there was a better way to deliver the message. I will work to achieve these ends in the future.

At the end of the day, I think you may very well be serving a purpose in the community. You've now heard from 3 people who are insanely passionate about extremely high grade marijuana, and as you said, you've made changes. So you learned. Bryan learned to follow his gut more (not that you're crooks, but learning to listen to one's True Self all the more is a blessing to anyone) Lamp learned a few new angles on the whole game (as did I) and I learned that it's better to just keep my mouth shut sometimes. I come off sounding like a prick. But at the same time, it's cool when Bryan's mom tells me tonight that she now picks up a taste in a strain that I pointed out to her last time. That feels cool, to bring awareness where I can. Open life up. So we all learned, and if we learn a real lesson from ANYTHING, it's never time wasted.

I just want to help. As I think we all do. Let's not tear each other apart. Some of my redneck friends back home are ready to come down and shoot all of us "queer ni%%er loving (Obama) pot smoking hippies" (This is an actual quote from a real person. This health care crap set people off) So let's remember that we're on the same team, and that our situation is precarious at best right now. At least let us have the good sense to fight AFTER legalization has come true. THEN we can scrap it up if need be. :thumbsup:

BUT, let us also admit mistakes and expose flaws, and if we all can be humble enough and dedicate ourselves to the cause, then it will all work out. KR, why won't you speak to Bryan on here? I never attacked you. I just called the SYSTEM trash, which I stand behind vigorously. Maybe we can figure out a way, from our own unique point of views, an excepted "rubric" of scoring, if you will?

I speak only for myself, but why not? Are we all so thin that a little scrap amongst Free American men has us chucking the bit and going home?

[FarmerSteve]

Just let it rest and take comfort in the fact that no one else even cares about this thread or cannabis.com for that matter! I'm sorry I started this...


HA HA HA HA HA!!!! :)

There are quite a few people who read this, and I think if I had a business, I'd care about the reputation ANYWHERE. But yeah, this isn't "9NEWS" or The Post.

[FarmerSteve]

Yeah, that's not the point. Go back and read the other thread.

No one ever said the Urkle OG was the best herb around, just thought it got a bum rating. FUCK, read the thread, I'm so sick of this...


Holy shite you're killing me man.

[travisKR]

Steve, thanks man. I agree with you. AS an individual I have no issue talking, arguing, disagreeing and then agreeing to disagree. I think the main issue here was taht both myself (and brother) and Bryan have business we started and care about - believe in. Reputations get called into play and obviously things become defensive. I wish I would have listened to my own advice I give so many clients, avoid emails, avoid written items in confrontation, find a phone and touch base with the human. I should have just stopped into CCF last Friday, shook hands and apologized for anything negative.

Also, we are looking everyday for further objective items to add to our reviews and we've got a few pieces in the works. As those come out I'd like your opinion again, it's clear you'll give it honestly ;)

I'm a lifetime student, if you have desire to teach scent or taste I'll have time to learn. My brother had been a chef for about 10 years and worked a lot on his and has taught me things, but everyone has different areas of knowledge and I'm curious to add yours to the mix (of what I can).

Lamp, I'm sorry that I instigated any furtherance of the topic. I also want you to know that I wasn't desiring to come at you when I said here is my info where are you. I guess that was a reaction to the feeling that I didn't know anyone who I was arguing with. Bryan had met my brother and another one on our team, but I couldn't get in touch with him and everyone else just felt like ghosts where as anyone reading this knows who I am, can look me up and will eventually see me if they own a dispensary. I apologize if that came off as aggressive. I'm glad I know how you feel, because now I have increased standards and our team will work very hard to elevate our value add to the community.

To all a happy Spring!

[ThaiBuddhaMan]

A, A-, A+ ???
Honestly it's one's personal preference!
I've tried some cannabis cup winners that I think are nasty tasting and can't stand their effects (white widow comes to mind). I've tried WW over & over again, from different growers, heck different countries even. I still have no idea how that (what I think is crap) has ever won anything except maybe the best material for compost! Hahaha!

I think it's hard to judge a particular strain from a particular place unless that place has multiple grows under belt, growing that particular strain the same way several times. It seems to me that most of these places are still in their infancy when it comes to growing. Sure maybe they have be growing for years for the black market but in the same way they are now, same strains, same grow areas? Probably not.

I would like to see dispensaries do something like wineries do - date their product. Maybe have the harvest date so if a patient likes that particular strain & harvest date - they can "stock up" on it. Or maybe give out the number of runs they are on for that strain (something like "StrainName" Run "#". Maybe the day will come when every strain harvest is uniform but I don't think we're quite there yet.

I'm just so tired of going into countless places and seeing product that is obviously harvested early and dried/cured too quickly.

Anyway, I do really appreciate KR's reviews as they at least perk my interest in checking out yet another place. I hope when he does his reviews, it's on strains that particular place is well stocked up on. Would suck not to get the same batch the review was based on. And I always love looking at nugget p0rn too! :thumbsup:

[Reenster]

I would like to see dispensaries do something like wineries do - date their product. Maybe have the harvest date so if a patient likes that particular strain & harvest date - they can "stock up" on it. Or maybe give out the number of runs they are on for that strain (something like "StrainName" Run "#". Maybe the day will come when every strain harvest is uniform but I don't think we're quite there yet.

Very interesting that you bring up wineries. I recently saw a news piece regarding the possible legalization of Cannabis in California, and the marketing companies are already considering how to package and market. Several people interviewed mention that they felt the best method would be to market it like wine. Taste, smell, effects, region and harvest date would all be a factor.

Guess great minds thing alike :thumbsup:

[Kartel]

Steve, thanks man. I agree with you. AS an individual I have no issue talking, arguing, disagreeing and then agreeing to disagree. I think the main issue here was taht both myself (and brother) and Bryan have business we started and care about - believe in. Reputations get called into play and obviously things become defensive. I wish I would have listened to my own advice I give so many clients, avoid emails, avoid written items in confrontation, find a phone and touch base with the human. I should have just stopped into CCF last Friday, shook hands and apologized for anything negative.

Also, we are looking everyday for further objective items to add to our reviews and we've got a few pieces in the works. As those come out I'd like your opinion again, it's clear you'll give it honestly ;)

I'm a lifetime student, if you have desire to teach scent or taste I'll have time to learn. My brother had been a chef for about 10 years and worked a lot on his and has taught me things, but everyone has different areas of knowledge and I'm curious to add yours to the mix (of what I can).

Lamp, I'm sorry that I instigated any furtherance of the topic. I also want you to know that I wasn't desiring to come at you when I said here is my info where are you. I guess that was a reaction to the feeling that I didn't know anyone who I was arguing with. Bryan had met my brother and another one on our team, but I couldn't get in touch with him and everyone else just felt like ghosts where as anyone reading this knows who I am, can look me up and will eventually see me if they own a dispensary. I apologize if that came off as aggressive. I'm glad I know how you feel, because now I have increased standards and our team will work very hard to elevate our value add to the community.

To all a happy Spring!

Really, I'm interested in what you think about testing the strains anonymously... by asking for free weed when you walk in a shop you are basically requesting a bribe, even if you don't see it that way. Strainman does not reveal his identity until after all purchases are made... similar with other critics in other fields.

[ColoradoCareMMJ]

I've tried some cannabis cup winners that I think are nasty tasting and can't stand their effects (white widow comes to mind). I've tried WW over & over again, from different growers, heck different countries even. I still have no idea how that (what I think is crap) has ever won anything except maybe the best material for compost! Hahaha!


Its because the cannabis cup gets bought every year. Just like most any other event that is sponsored by its contestants.

[travisKR]

Really, I'm interested in what you think about testing the strains anonymously... by asking for free weed when you walk in a shop you are basically requesting a bribe, even if you don't see it that way. Strainman does not reveal his identity until after all purchases are made... similar with other critics in other fields.

I'm willing to take further ideas but I don't know how I could do this more than once at a dispensary because they would know me the next time I go back? I'm also interested in getting to know the people at the store because I enjoy networking in humanity so I want them to know who I am. I do understand your comparison though.

One interesting thing to note, we started the first 40 reviews the way you stated. In fact, the grades have come down since then - likely more coincedence than cause but I found that interesting when I looked over the historical curve. As we mvoed the curve to account for 100 strains it was the early reviews for the most part that we felt could no longer hold their mark against the competition....

The only other benefit I don't want to lose from the current scenrio is that the first time we are in we like to let the owner know what's up so they can give us what they want reviewed. I don't want to turn patients away from a good store based upon a strain I picked off the shelf for curiosity sake because they think the whole shop only has B- stuff. That isn't the end of the world I guess, but I think it feels like the right thing to do.

Honestly, I'm still reading this thread because I want to learn and incorporate further ideas and concepts. We've reached out to Channing on Denver Chronicle and to MMJinColorado, and a new place about to go live called coloradodispensaryreview.com for their feedback and collaboration. I want a place for new patients to go and get an idea of what they are dealing with, where to go, what they can look for, etc. The better that collaboration is, the greater the benefit to the patient.

Forgot - last I read strainman had a price guide on his site to charge dispensaries to come and review them. That was a couple months ago so I don't know if he changed that model?

[TheReleafCenter]

Well, since this thread has been thoroughly jacked (no pun intended), I'll give you my two cents about KindReviews.

The post about Cherry Creek Health on KR seemed disingenuous to me, specifically:

You can read our methodology on the About Us page to know that we wonâ??t take money from any dispensary to perform reviews and that we donâ??t grade dispensaries, only medicine. Well the feature page is where we have the opportunity to speak our mind on what excites us for any reason we choose.

I have an email that specifically talks about the advertising rate for the "Featured" space, and let me assure you, it is not cheap. The methodology for that section may have changed, but that statement (to me) gives the impression that either previous or future features were not sponsored, which I think is false.

Review sites absolutely depend on an unbiased reviewer, and so you have to set your standards sky high as an editor. I appreciate the professionalism of KR (they called yesterday to apologize for this thread, who does that?!) but I just can't get on board with their model. I'll continue to submit buds for review, and who knows what will happen to the scores... that's the furthest thing from my mind.

Let me know if I'm way off base with this, too, KR guys. You seem like alright people.

[travisKR]

Releaf, you are right for sure. We do accept cash for the Featured Page (though only twice has that happened at this step). Our desire was to keep that for us alone but we had two dispensaries actively engage us for that spot, and frankly because we are broke we decided to do it. It is good exposure if a shop wanted to pay for it, and it worked very well for both who did. One did a strain and one did their whole shop. MostHi, NationalWeedographic, real lemon are examples of ones we just chose on our own, no advertising.

We won't change anything we do regarding your shop or any other because you don't advertise. We range from 750-1500 page views depending on weekend or weekday with a very target audience. Some people will want to pay for that extra advertising, other shops use the strains themselves for the only advertising. Truth is a good review or any for that matter is the cheapest advertising online any dispensary could get right now in CO, a gram donated at whatever cost a shop has and exposure on a site with 23,000 monthly page views. SOme shops don't need any advertising, others have told me they are struggling - to each their own.

I will make sure the About Us page gets updated to clearly reflect your concern. I don't want to lead people astray, and frankly I think it was written before the first cash offer came in.

We are sorry this post got jacked. At least you know we are your paying customers as of our Jack Flash pickup Saturday :)

[travisKR]

Maybe the About Us isn't the right place to add it in. Should we place a "this feature is a paid advertisement" disclaimer on the front feature text instead?

[TheReleafCenter]

Word, thought that was probably the story. Sorry to hear about any financial issues you guys might be going through.

And RE: Ingrid from Lotus... I know that grower, it's 100% indica and I'm 99% sure she's the only one in the state with those genetics. I've been assured that she's going to be working with fewer dispensaries after some headaches (and bounced checks) and that we'll be one of them. Did they tell you it was a hybrid?

[travisKR]

And RE: Ingrid from Lotus... I know that grower, it's 100% indica and I'm 99% sure she's the only one in the state with those genetics. I've been assured that she's going to be working with fewer dispensaries after some headaches (and bounced checks) and that we'll be one of them. Did they tell you it was a hybrid?

Actually we were unable to get much info at the dispensary on Ingrid at all. The one person I got some info from wasn't afilliated with the store, and seemed a little unlcear. I will edit that post now - THANK YOU for the information.

Money is certainly and end of all of our work, no other choice in this society right now, but the only issue came when we realized there was no way to get the amount of samples, the photos, the reviews, answer questions, research, and everything else that goes into the site and treat it as an hour or two hobby. We dedicated more time, which is excellent for any reader of the site, but that means less gainful employment for us. Enters advertising which seems to have been a major fly in the ointment. It pays for the service provided in a very small portion and allows us to try to further expand viewership. We feel expanded viewership helps in two ways, it gives further exposure to the dispensaries and it brings more people more information, i.e. having a bigger impact.

When the very first couple reviews went up early last summer we had an email from an older lady who said she had been extremely nervous to do anything about her card and her daughter helped her online. She said she felt much better after seeing our site because she felt like she wasn't alone. I wish I knew we had that impact every day, but even if there is a chance someone else thinks that, it'll be worth it.

[FarmerSteve]

I'll give KR the following reviews:

Kindness and willingness to grow as a person- A+

Reviewing ability- I

Business model- To me, it's an "F". How can you make money and be 100% above the possible fray? I can't see a way, but maybe you can make it work, in which case you move right to an "A".


KR, you have what matters nailed. :thumbsup:

And I agree about WW. I do NOT like that crap. Never have.

[travisKR]

[quote=FarmerSteve]I'll give KR the following reviews:

Business model- To me, it's an "F". How can you make money and be 100% above the possible fray? I can't see a way, but maybe you can make it work, in which case you move right to an "A".
QUOTE]

Steve, as reviewers we are certainly the most open to being critiqued. Thanks for your words and input.

In answer to this point, it will be a GLORIOUS day when we can have advertisers that aren't dispensaries. If an event promoted itself, or a pipe shop advertised, or any other company that didn't grow or sell the medicine was the means to our end, would that allow you to feel more comfortable with the position we've put ourselves in? I ask that seriously because I'm working hard to build those relationships now - if I can please the most vocal and critical I've got a good shot at the rest.... Gracias.

[FarmerSteve]

"The most vocal critic"? ;)

Shoot, I just want to see the best things happen. I would L.O.V.E. to have a review team that I could trust and believe in their ability and integrity. I'm just lending voice to the issues that keep such a thing from happening.

After the past few weeks, based on NOTHING involving MMJ or this board, I am at my lowest ebb in a long time in how much hope I have for the progress of our society based on NOTHING other than the fact that people seemingly cannot find the ability to treat one another with just a little, old school respect.

peace.

[lampost]

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[copobo]

reviews are always subjective. nature of the beast.

do lab reports get posted anywhere? I like numbers and close ups. ;)

[MMJinColorado]

Yeah, it would rule if all the dispensaries that test would archive their results and make them available. Most places will show you, but it would be great to see that information online. I can't wait until there are multiple places doing testing and the prices come down... that will be one of the better revolutions in the scene when it happens, especially if the mold/contaminant test becomes de rigeur as well.

[TurboALLWD]

reviews are always subjective. nature of the beast.

do lab reports get posted anywhere? I like numbers and close ups. ;)

I'm with copobo on this! Couldn't have said it better, I'm assuming relief center is going to post the lab report on the 8% cbd strain in here, but I'd much rather see a website made with nothing but close ups and numbers. I might even create one of those myself :D

[lampost]

I'm with copobo on this! Couldn't have said it better, I'm assuming relief center is going to post the lab report on the 8% cbd strain in here, but I'd much rather see a website made with nothing but close ups and numbers. I might even create one of those myself :D

I agree...

How much do those tests cost? Say you're testing one strain for THC, CBD, CBN? What if you add in chemicals/mold?

[KindReviews]

reviews are always subjective. nature of the beast.

do lab reports get posted anywhere? I like numbers and close ups. ;)

This is something we are currently investigating the legal aspects of. Then the question becomes how does a review site with limited advertising resources afford to pay the 3k per month for the testing ?

[MysteryBee]

This is something we are currently investigating the legal aspects of. Then the question becomes how does a review site with limited advertising resources afford to pay the 3k per month for the testing ?

Sooooooo, I am opening a review site that will compete with kindreviews. Reviews will be unbiased (we will be paying for the herb we test and not letting dispensaries know we are reviewing untill after the reviews have been posted) and everyone will be happy with the great amount of detail, the more than just tricomb shots and we'll be featuring many per... never mind, I shouldn't give it all away :D "We" may do lab tests eventually but that's not our main concern. Currently we are doing tons of reviews, and will start coding the site this week. Then the Website will open in roughly 2 months from now... :thumbsup: I'm so fucking excited :)

-Ben

[travisKR]

Sooooooo, I am opening a review site that will compete with kindreviews. Reviews will be unbiased (we will be paying for the herb we test and not letting dispensaries know we are reviewing untill after the reviews have been posted) and everyone will be happy with the great amount of detail, the more than just tricomb shots and we'll be featuring many per... never mind, I shouldn't give it all away :D "We" may do lab tests eventually but that's not our main concern. Currently we are doing tons of reviews, and will start coding the site this week. Then the Website will open in roughly 2 months from now... :thumbsup: I'm so fucking excited :)

-Ben

Ben, we are very flattered :)

[MysteryBee]

Ben, we are very flattered :)
:thumbsup: Thanks, and you guys should be. I thought you guys have had it going on for a while and still do despite the half the bullshit filled in this thread. I'm part of a younger generation, where we do it harder, better, faster and stronger. I think you and KR will like the things our website will encompass and I'm sure you'll "barrow" some of our amazingly simple ideas. I just hope you guys are enjoying the traffic, because it's going to be eaten up soon ;) good luck and best wishes!

-Ben

p.s.
you should've e-mailed me :hippy:

[travisKR]

:thumbsup: Thanks, and you guys should be. I thought you guys have had it going on for a while and still do despite the half the bullshit filled in this thread. I'm part of a younger generation, where we do it harder, better, faster and stronger. I think you and KR will like the things our website will encompass and I'm sure you'll "barrow" some of our amazingly simple ideas. I just hope you guys are enjoying the traffic, because it's going to be eaten up soon ;) good luck and best wishes!

-Ben

p.s.
you should've e-mailed me :hippy:

Ben, I did email you yesterday right after you posted your gmail? It said call me and had my cell number. Bummer man :(

I'm not sure I believe the younger = harder part (I've got two daughters 50 weeks apart, deans list in a top tier law school was a walk in the park compared to that! :D I am very excited for you and for the community. If only Coke existed the question would be, do I need soda? When 500 vendors exist, the question becomes, which soda should I get. That's good for us and for patients. Every day I try to elevate my mind (in multiple lights) and your pushing will certainly help. You can still call when you find that email, I like to talk and network regardless. Best.

[MysteryBee]

Ben, I did email you yesterday right after you posted your gmail? It said call me and had my cell number.

F'ing spam mail folder. I wish g-mail was smarter than that! Sorry Travis, I should've checked earlier, I'm just so used to never checking that thing!

-Ben

[FarmerSteve]

I'm part of a younger generation, where we do it harder, better, faster and stronger.


Would you mind posting your evidence to substantiate your claim? From everything that I have learned in my professional and personal life points to the exact OPPOSITE of what you are saying.

American youth are vastly more ignorant in the fundamental disciplines and more out of shape than ever before. A mountain of evidence has been compiled that shows there has also been a dramatic increase in hard and prescription drug use, depression, and manic disorders amongst the young in the past 40 years. We are becoming dumber, fatter, and more doped up. Hardly an improvement, but if you have some good news, I'm all ears.

I don't know what part of this thread is "bullshit" to you, and I love your heart. but once again, talk is cheap.

Show me.
:hippy:

[MysteryBee]

Would you mind posting your evidence to substantiate your claim? From everything that I have learned in my professional and personal life points to the exact OPPOSITE of what you are saying.

American youth are vastly more ignorant in the fundamental disciplines and more out of shape than ever before. there has also been a dramatic increase in drug use, depression, and manic disorders in the past 40 years.

I don't know what part of this thread is "bullshit" to you, and I love your heart. but once again, talk is cheap.

Show me.
:hippy:

God damnit steve, YOU SERIOUSLY need to smoke more dawwwwg. The generational thing was a joke hyping my adventure that I *might* be starting. If you are want to make this personal, WTF does "has also been a dramatic increase in drug use, depression, and manic disorders in the past 40 years" have to do with "American youth are vastly more ignorant in the fundamental disciplines"? I'm confused? What are you insinuating, that people are getting crazier (all do respect SUR, no shit sHURElock) or that young people are ignorant? Because I agree on both accounts. My respect goes out to you "grey bushes" (Grandma's boy).

The bullshit I was talking about was the freaking out about ratings. Like who does gives a ______ if you have a difference of opinion- and also the bickering. It was unprofessional and unrequired on both parties. I also felt really bad afterwords that it all went down on a "message board":(. Everything got out of hand because of miscommunication and it's really upsetting knowing how accepting the MMJ community is yet it all went down as it did. So again steve, no offence MANYE and I remember some taller dude chatting Bryan up @ CCF braggin about his wine tasting nose, and if that's you- I bet you're chill so my bad- I own you some burn time if the future ever permits.

-Ben

[MysteryBee]

So uhhhh.......

how about that Jack Flash? So far we have a C, an A, I said A- and now I'm changing it. I'm giving it a D(*) for "Dope!" :thumbsup:


-Ben

*=this D should be treated like an A-ish or depending on you could be a C for cool, a B for bad, an L for lame or even an M for "munchies" :giggity:

[FarmerSteve]

Yeah man, that's me. Look, we are in the fight of our lives out here at the moment due to misinformation and people believing that their "knowledge" is truth when in reality it is their belief that they have now come to believe as truth.

For PRIME example, Sarah Palin today advised her followers to stop people with Obama stickers and talk to them. A day after a car was ran off the road for having the same. I'm from a state where they are wholeheartedly APPLAUDING this and are looking forward to a day when they can shoot us. And I mean that. Dead serious.

Misinformation and the perversion of truth, where your belief and/or "faith" becomes one's reality has become the norm. And now we're fucked. That's where we are.

So I attack un-truth anywhere and any time I can. Little lies grow. One day, it's lying to become prom queen or mayor, the next thing you know, you believe with all your heart that God has called you to be president and do a bunch of REAL crazy shit. Sounds crazy, but here we are no? That is the nature of deception and of being deceived. And nobody has been more deceived than I. Thank God there were people who were credible in their chosen interests and kind enough to care that woke my ass up to various things. Look if people want to believe in a broken system and believe people who have no credentials, fine. Half of America will vote for Palin just beause they believe in her beliefs. Not facts or logic, the cornerstones of what has guided enlightened people and their civilizations for eons, but on beliefs. But DON'T tell me, based on nothing but beliefs, that my facts are incorrect for NO other reason.


I can't tell you ANYTHING about 99.9999% of the things on the planet, but I do know taste, and I like opening people's eyes up. I mention my extensive time around wine and people who know wine because it explains why I know what I am speaking of is of truth and value. Not hope and hype. Again, SHOW ME.

If this seems aggressive, I assure you it's not. But it is REAL. I still don't see any logical arguments to the points I brought up.

Again, I dig your heart as well, and I'm not here to crush you or your dreams. But if it's not built on TRUE fundamentals, then it's going to fail UNLESS the hustle (advertising, marketing, lying) is great. So lets all get together, figure out how we can best ENCOURAGE one another to do great things, and it will all work out.

The last thing this country/state/community needs is another hustle.



Palin in '12!!!!!!



P.S. Sorry guys, I have NO time for an edit. If the spelling and stuff is off, please forgive me. I'm afraid my 6th grade education shines through when i can't edit.

[MysteryBee]

Yeah man, that's me. Look, we are in the fight of our lives out here at the moment due to misinformation and people believing that their "knowledge" is truth when in reality it is their belief that they have now come to believe as truth.

For PRIME example, Sarah Palin today advised her followers to stop people with Obama stickers and talk to them. A day after a car was ran off the road for having the same. I'm from a state where they are wholeheartedly APPLAUDING this and are looking forward to a day when they can shoot us. And I mean that. Dead serious.

Misinformation and the perversion of truth, where your belief and/or "faith" becomes one's reality has become the norm. And now we're fucked. That's where we are.

So I attack un-truth anywhere and any time I can. Little lies grow. One day, it's lying to become prom queen or mayor, the next thing you know, you believe with all your heart that God has called you to be president and do a bunch of REAL crazy shit. Sounds crazy, but here we are no? That is the nature of deception and of being deceived. And nobody has been more deceived than I. Thank God there were people who were credible in their chosen interests and kind enough to care that woke my ass up to various things. Look if people want to believe in a broken system and believe people who have no credentials, fine. Half of America will vote for Palin just beause they believe in her beliefs. Not facts or logic, the cornerstones of what has guided enlightened people and their civilizations for eons, but on beliefs. But DON'T tell me, based on nothing but beliefs, that my facts are incorrect for NO other reason.


I can't tell you ANYTHING about 99.9999% of the things on the planet, but I do know taste, and I like opening people's eyes up. I mention my extensive time around wine and people who know wine because it explains why I know what I am speaking of is of truth and value. Not hope and hype. Again, SHOW ME.

If this seems aggressive, I assure you it's not. But it is REAL. I still don't see any logical arguments to the points I brought up.

Again, I dig your heart as well, and I'm not here to crush you or your dreams. But if it's not built on TRUE fundamentals, then it's going to fail UNLESS the hustle (advertising, marketing, lying) is great. So lets all get together, figure out how we can best ENCOURAGE one another to do great things, and it will all work out.

The last thing this country/state/community needs is another hustle.



Palin in '12!!!!!!



P.S. Sorry guys, I have NO time for an edit. If the spelling and stuff is off, please forgive me. I'm afraid my 6th grade education shines through when i can't edit.

Respect steve, and just so you know the " Like who does gives a ______ if you have a difference of opinion- and also the bickering" statement was aimed @ everyone, not you. I was never trying to insinuate your were a douche bag or that you didn't know what you were talking about. Actually, I was agreeing with you But I can see how a person could easily perceive what I said as the opposite. Cheers brudda and I'm sorry (Again) for offending you because I didn't mean that to come across, damn, wheres some good diesel when I need it?

[FarmerSteve]

And respect to you. I would NEVER want to discourage a person who wants to do something that COULD make our world a better place. A honest review panel for strains and/or shops would fit that bill.

I think I need to just throw in the towel with trying to open the eyes of my neo-conservative worshipping "friends" from back home. Ever since the health care bill went down, I've been back and forth with them ad nauseum about the fact that it is NOT the end of the world. It also does not make you a communist or an America hater if you are merely not against the bill.

I think after wringing my hands at them on Facebook and wherever else, and I come here afterwards, that combative attitude carries over. And I don't want that. Place and time for everything. While it is true that to make an omelette you need to bust some eggs, some egg are Easter eggs, and cracking on them makes no sense and is in fact counter productive. I hope that translates.

These rednecks got me on edge y'all. Time to go blow a huge bowl. :jointsmile:

[wb1996]

Jack Herer x Super Skunk, she's grown using the sea of green method.

We offer a free edible for any first time patients, and if you bring in a friend we offer free meds up to an 1/8th for every gram they purchase.

I came over a few weeks ago when you guy's got in the house jack flash and I like it a lot. Jack flash is one of my top ten for sure. I have been to many Disp. looking for good jack and there are only three places that have the goods and you are on of them. The grasshopper on 17th and herbal connections across the street. I have to say that you're version is the best looking and has the best taste and smell( tropical skunk smell with a nice touch of lemon mmmm). The high was as good as the grasshoppers, but you guy's take the medal for BEST JACK FLASH IN DENVER!!!!! I have to bring up just one thing that you might have left out. Jack also has haze in it's genetics.( JACK HERER X SUPER SKUNK) X HAZE). I am sure you just left it out of the post. I am not trying to get to picky here, but I am trying to stop all of the miss info that is floating around so we in colorado can become better educated, therefore we can demand better quality product and more educated Disp. owners. Thanks for the great smoke and I look forward to stopping by soon. Also what is up with the FLOTICA. I saw someone on talking up this strain. Is it that good and if it is could you put aside an 1/8 th for me until I can come by sometime in the next few days ( i just lost my drivers license) If this is to much I understand.

[MMJinColorado]

On their Twitter, they said the Flotica is gone again. It's a Flo pheno or something I think... it's not a cross but some version of Flo.

[wb1996]

"The most vocal critic"? ;)

Shoot, I just want to see the best things happen. I would L.O.V.E. to have a review team that I could trust and believe in their ability and integrity. I'm just lending voice to the issues that keep such a thing from happening.

After the past few weeks, based on NOTHING involving MMJ or this board, I am at my lowest ebb in a long time in how much hope I have for the progress of our society based on NOTHING other than the fact that people seemingly cannot find the ability to treat one another with just a little, old school respect.

peace.

Steve, I feel you're pain. I have the same issue with trying to find people who review and actually know what they are talking about. I try to review the few places in denver that are worthy, but people that read my reviews are prob. thinking the same thing. There is one reviewer in the area( the guy that does all of those super positive reviews) who's advice I have taken several times with mixed results. Do not get me wrong this guy does so much for the Colorado MMJ community, but I do think he could be a little tougher on some of the reviews. It seems to me that this man is very positive which is great, but it can also get in the way of a proper review. I have gone to several shops that he reviewed and tried the strains that he suggested and some I did not even buy due to the lack of true dankness, it just was not top top notch MMJ. One other thing that I think is miss leading is the digitally enhanced photos that shops and reviewers are posting. When you put an average looking bud under the scope it makes the trichomes look huge and that can fool many. The only way to make this enhancement work for the public is to know what you're top strains look like under the scope so you can compare. Most of the enhanced photos I have seen when compared to the actual strain in front of you're eyes tell a different story. So what can we do to fix this issue. I am willing to try to get together with some of you guy's and try to put together a trustworthy group of reviewers that people can trust, people that are educated and have a good pallet. We would almost need to meet each other so we can know for sure that the reviewers we trust know what is up. If you are interested in talking a little more just email me at [email protected] and thanks for all of the good posts.:stoned:

[MysteryBee]

Also what is up with the FLOTICA. I saw someone on talking up this strain. Is it that good and if it is could you put aside an 1/8 th for me until I can come by sometime in the next few days ( i just lost my drivers license) If this is to much I understand.

That was Me, and it is/was Bomb. I'm outie, and as far as I know they're not getting anymore. I'd call them- Releaf doesn't keep up with the forums too well it seems. I'd love to know the Genetics of the flotica because I can't find shit. It's a great sativa though, I mean just great! :thumbsup:

-Ben

[TheReleafCenter]

That was Me, and it is/was Bomb. I'm outie, and as far as I know they're not getting anymore. I'd call them- Releaf doesn't keep up with the forums too well it seems. I'd love to know the Genetics of the flotica because I can't find shit. It's a great sativa though, I mean just great! :thumbsup:

-Ben

Hey, cut me some slack, trying to run a business here too! :D

Like MMJ said, we do post incoming/outgoing on our twitter, facebook, myspace, so check your favorite of those for quicker updates. We use forums for feedback and discussion.

Flotica is a flo pheno that has some indica traits but still has an "up" sativa buzz. It's completely sold out. We picked up the last of it (less than an O) and it went in a couple hours.

Thanks for the medal, wb! We'll have it in stock for a while.

[ThaiBuddhaMan]

Never considered getting a twitter account as I always thought,"who the hell would I want to follow that closely"...guess that's been answered now!

[lampost]

^LOL! Agreed. Twitter is about the dumbest shit there is...

This is the first time I've realized a legitimate use for it... and the plus side is that you don't even have to become a member of twitter to see their updates!! It's pretty handy actually. ReLeaf does a good job about posting what's coming in and what's running out!

[FarmerSteve]

Just want to throw out that I finished up that JF from a while back last night. Hadn't have it for a week or more, but it had a much stronger smell and taste then I remember.

The smell was awesome, and the taste was "good plus". Which may not sound so special, BUT using my personal judging matrix, that would put it ahead of almost everything I have had out side of CCF and right next to some of their weaker offerings.

If you could get a nice soil run out of this, I bet it would be NICE.

[lampost]

Just want to throw out that I finished up that JF from a while back last night. Hadn't have it for a week or more, but it had a much stronger smell and taste then I remember.

The smell was awesome, and the taste was "good plus". Which may not sound so special, BUT using my personal judging matrix, that would put it ahead of almost everything I have had out side of CCF and right next to some of their weaker offerings.

If you could get a nice soil run out of this, I bet it would be NICE.

Damn, wish I wouldn't have forgotten that! ;) Times have been tough lately... That should change soon though :D

Also, does anyone else notice that the taste of your herb can vary greatly by how you prepare it for smoking (be it grinding, cutting, hand-breaking up, etc.)? I find I get the best taste by meticulously hand-separating each calyx from the bud. When I grind it seems like the terpenes release the oils when ground. The odor after grinding is super pungent, but it seems it's a tradeoff for me and some of the taste is lost then when smoking finely ground herb.