MMJ Patient Shoots Home Invasion

[killerweed420]

Good to see someone taking his 2nd Amendement right seriously.

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KOMONEWS
KIRKLAND, Wash. -- King County sheriff's deputies say two people were shot and injured during a home invasion near Kirkland - and the robber may have been after medical marijuana.

Sheriff's spokesman John Urquhart said the home is known to authorities as a medical marijuana grow site.

"We're assuming that's probably the motive behind this robbery," he said.

The homeowner was armed with a handgun and exchanged fire with one of two men who broke in shortly before 5 a.m. Monday.

The homeowner and one of the intruders were wounded in the shooting, officials said.

The homeowner was expected to recover, but Urquhart said the would-be robber suffered a life-threatening wound and was being treated at Harborview Medical Center in Seattle.

Urquhart said investigators are trying to sort out exactly what happened inside the home.

Police have cordoned off the area around the home in the 11400 block of Juanita Drive NE.

A SWAT team searched the house to make sure there was no one else inside, and deputies are questioning a man who was detained a short time later a few blocks away.

Officials said a garbage truck driver spotted the man hitchhiking and thought it was suspicious, so he called police.

It was not immediately clear if the man who was detained is the second man believed to have been involved in the robbery attempt.

[mugenbao]

Apparently this was the home of SteveS, the guy who runs CannaCare and Sentry Medical. As much as I think Steve can be overbearing on the CannaCare forums and I don't agree with his politics, I appreciate what he's doing for the WA MMJ movement and I hope everything turns out well for him.

He's apparently doing fine physically, though the intruder seems to be less lucky. It seems Steve is the better marksman, haha.

More up-to-date info is available here: Cannacare robbed - CannaCare Forums (http://cannacare.org/bulletin/showthread.php?t=4241)

[gypski]

I hate to say it, but if it was my house (if I had one) that was invaded, it wouldn't be a handgun, but a shotgun. Remington pump with 00 buck. Its prohibition and the fucking fucked up economy that is causing the majority of home invasions. :wtf:

[McLuvin]

A big dog or two and a 12 gauge have always served me well.

[oldhaole]

Aloha,

It is an age old story. Rather than do the work, just steal it. Though I personally think it is not worth killing over, I am glad there is one less thief looking for something to steal tonight.

Hawaii has some of the toughest gun laws in the country. Here if you don't hit them in the chest,(as in you are in fear for your life) chances are it will be you going to jail. So I believe in dogs.

It, both sad and scary when it gets to the point where people with guns break into your house. The homeowner would probably be dead if he wasn't armed. Thank You Second Ammendment.

And though a handgun is effective a shotgun is better in close quarters. Plus if you have a shell reloader you can shoot all kinds of neat stuff (rock salt, dimes, marbles, etc.) :)

[McLuvin]

A cool way to make a less then lethal round for your shotgun is:

Empty the shot out of your shell, by cutting the top of, opening it up. (BE CARFULL)

Fill the now empty load with silicon rubber, and wait for it to cure.

As I said BE CAREFULL this is not a safe round to shoot your buddies with! My brother uses them to move cattle. So a round of one of these may not kill but, it will put a serious hurting on you.

[killerweed420]

I have a 180 lb rottweiller he'd have to get pass first then my 80 lb coyote, who is very protective and then he has to get by my 9mm. Good luck.

[killerweed420]

Video
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[killerweed420]

Steve. Seems to be ok. I'm sure he's still amped up though. It takes a while to wind down from being shot at.
YouTube - Steve Sarich says shotgun blast nearly took his head off (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hyKT5ZTfQw&feature=player_embedded)

[killerweed420]

And another case from last week that no one has even heard of because of our illustrious thugs in Pierce County. The first Washington death of a MMJ patient.
Michael Shane Howard,
Cannabis Defense Coalition (http://www.cdc.coop/)
Be careful out there people. Be sure to have a plan with your safety the first priority.

[jamessr]

It would seem that mike howards case and steve sarich case may be linked to the same group.

[boaz]

I have a 180 lb rottweiller he'd have to get pass first then my 80 lb coyote, who is very protective ...

you have a pet coyote? :smokin: here in Oklahoma they have a new special law just for would be home invaders, its called the "make my day" law. :jointsmile:

1,000 posts!! yeah, mon . . . :rasta:

[introvert]

Its funny,

You see these Documentaries and they talk about how Marijuana Growers carry weapons, and how dangerous it is and try to make it look like something from a mobster flix...

But this is a prime reason growers have weapons, not necessarily to shoot at the law enforcements. But because people try to come in and jack your stuff...

And look what happened..the suspects even had weapons... so of course it would be wise to pack heat too!

[killerweed420]

you have a pet coyote? :smokin: here in Oklahoma they have a new special law just for would be home invaders, its called the "make my day" law. :jointsmile:

1,000 posts!! yeah, mon . . . :rasta:

She's a good dog. The most protective dog I've ever had. But she does get pissy once in awhile.

One of my concerns on this issue is about federal laws with gun ownership and MJ. For the feds its an immediate felony. Which is exactly why we have the 10th Amendment. The feds have no jusrisdiction in these cases and every federal charge that was used that didn't involve crossing state lines is unconstitutional and all prisoners should be released.

[oldhaole]

The Feds are like your 180 lb rottweiller. They go where they want to, and pick and choose whom to eat. If the state penalties are not stiff enough, just call in the Feds. If the state loses a case at trial, the Feds are right there to re-try them again. And I share your concern about gun ownership and Federal law when it comes down to legal cannibis grows.

From what I have read Washington state is not inforcing existing law, if you happen to have a legal grow. Neat trick. You can be beaten to death, or get shot, and the Washington cops will be Johnny on the spot to rip you off and bust up your stuff after they haul your lifeless body away.

I get don't like when people call the cops pigs. But in this case, if the shoe fits....

[Graywolf]

Aloha,

It is an age old story. Rather than do the work, just steal it. Though I personally think it is not worth killing over, I am glad there is one less thief looking for something to steal tonight.

Hawaii has some of the toughest gun laws in the country. Here if you don't hit them in the chest,(as in you are in fear for your life) chances are it will be you going to jail. So I believe in dogs.

It, both sad and scary when it gets to the point where people with guns break into your house. The homeowner would probably be dead if he wasn't armed. Thank You Second Ammendment.

And though a handgun is effective a shotgun is better in close quarters. Plus if you have a shell reloader you can shoot all kinds of neat stuff (rock salt, dimes, marbles, etc.) :)

Good point! At close quarters, shotguns rule and are less likely to kill your family or neighbor from stray rounds.

I favor nine 00 split shots, crimped to a lengh of guitar string and stuffed into a 12 gauge shot cup. They don't spread much and take off everything hanging out in their path.

Ballistic vests are a joke against one as it collapses your chest from the inpact, so it gets everyones attention.

A head shot pretty much eliminates court witnesses falsely insisting that you didn't clearly annunciate, "HALT OR I WILL SHOOT!"

Taking life in defense of property is illegal, but if you are legitimately and serously concerned about the welfare of you and your family and the person invades your home, make that clear to the reporting officer and hire a good attorney to make your case.

I mention that because when loss of life is involved, expect the DA to flex his muscle and do his best to lock you up so as to impress upon you that LEO wants to shoot the miscreants themselves and at least locally seem to try their best to find a way to prosecute others that do it for them, regardless of the facts. At least our own local police have their own sick pathetic agenda and you won't like it once they control your life.

GW

[LOC NAR on probation]

The sad thing here is the criminal that broke in for who knows what. Stealing MMJ or murder is going to sue Steve.

When some one breaks in like that you can't leave anyone to tell a story dif from yours. It just complicates things. Finish the job.

I have guns and will use them if needed but My way is cold hard steel. A good handmade Katana and they never here it coming. Take em down and bleed em slow no noise. I don't want parterns to get away. OH, and I never sleep.

Hope Steve makes a full recovery and all the piss ass thieves know what's waiting at Steve's house for them.

[boaz]

...One of my concerns on this issue is about federal laws with gun ownership and MJ. For the feds its an immediate felony. Which is exactly why we have the 10th Amendment. The feds have no jusrisdiction in these cases and every federal charge that was used that didn't involve crossing state lines is unconstitutional and all prisoners should be released.

that is a real good point, if you get caught growing and you have weapons they willl definately tack on a few years or decades just for the weapons.

a bit off topic but this elderly lady up in Tulsa was one of the first to try out the new law when undercover cops broke into her back yard (they were at the wrong house). She shot 'em dead. Its kinda sad for the cop but she was never charged with any crime or anything. She was completely within her rights to defend herself and property. My advice if you are Oklahoma, don't even think about a home invasion around here.

[WashougalWonder]

Long time ago I had a concealed weapons class. One of the most important things I got from that was if indeed you needed to use the weapon to protect yourself, especially within your domain, completely empty the weapon into the perpetrator.

Leave no other story than the fact you were so scared you just kept pulling the trigger.

We are talking you are fearing for your life here, not someone breaking in to rip off your garden.

[moody420]

Its funny,

You see these Documentaries and they talk about how Marijuana Growers carry weapons, and how dangerous it is and try to make it look like something from a mobster flix...

But this is a prime reason growers have weapons, not necessarily to shoot at the law enforcements. But because people try to come in and jack your stuff...

And look what happened..the suspects even had weapons... so of course it would be wise to pack heat too!

It's so true! I just watched a marijuana documentary on National Geographic last week and they act like these growers are the most dangerous men in the world! These people are just protecting themselves and their property! Just like any other person would. In this day and age, everyone has guns....and if you want to protect yourself from some asshole theif, then you are going to need one as well.

It's scary out there....and it's sad that medical mj has such a high price behind it....but this is why laws have to change NOW! Legalize it! :jointsmile:

[killerweed420]

As in MMJ laws people need to educate themselves with the gun laws in there state.
Here in Washington you can shoot an unarmed person outside of your house but you have to be sure to know what to say when the cops show up and the best bet would be to say nothing when the cops show up. But in court all you have to say is that the perp threatened to kill you or your family. Then your covered for the right to use deadly force. Do not get into discussions with the police when they show up. It will just be used against you.

[jamessr]

So the N.Y. times reported steve had 385 plants total from what the police found in his house. The times said steve's authorization allowed him 50 plant's and his 21 yr old live in GF has one for another 50 plant's. Steve reported according to the times, he had less than 100 plants in his house.

This invariably could draw the attention of federal prosecutors under the new guidelines. Just like the guy in Colorado but, in a different way other than a for profit case.

I suppose it will be upto the king co. sheriffs office on whether they have actually seized over 100 plants, the #'s are clone's with no roots, or that they claim 15 plant max. limit under state law. In which steve would have very little chance fighting the over 100 limit, he would be able to do a presumption defense on a max. 15 plant limit claim.

We shall all be warming up our popcorn awaiting somekind of legal fallout this time, vs. his last invasion by leo.

My main concern since steve is alive and o.k. is my medical records, those at cannacare have assured patients the files are safe. We shall also see if this is true or just a liability cover issue.

[WashougalWonder]

Not that this has any real importance to all this, but it just bugs the hell outta me that unrooted clones are considered plants and part of the count. Take them from the protected environment and they die.

[killerweed420]

So the N.Y. times reported steve had 385 plants total from what the police found in his house. The times said steve's authorization allowed him 50 plant's and his 21 yr old live in GF has one for another 50 plant's. Steve reported according to the times, he had less than 100 plants in his house.

This invariably could draw the attention of federal prosecutors under the new guidelines. Just like the guy in Colorado but, in a different way other than a for profit case.

I suppose it will be upto the king co. sheriffs office on whether they have actually seized over 100 plants, the #'s are clone's with no roots, or that they claim 15 plant max. limit under state law. In which steve would have very little chance fighting the over 100 limit, he would be able to do a presumption defense on a max. 15 plant limit claim.

We shall all be warming up our popcorn awaiting somekind of legal fallout this time, vs. his last invasion by leo.

My main concern since steve is alive and o.k. is my medical records, those at cannacare have assured patients the files are safe. We shall also see if this is true or just a liability cover issue.

Steve's home is CannaCare. He runs a dispensary for clones and edibles. Thats why he had so many plants. He doesn't flower them. But thats still a very gray area here in Washington. It appears Steve will have to fight again to get his stuff back or to get the cops off his ass. In Washington you can have more than 15 plants but you have to prove a medical neccesity for it. The problem is cops will just confiscate everything and force you to argue it out in court. An unfair system that assumes your guilty.

[gypski]

Bottom line, its the bandits and thieves that are giving medical marijuana and growing it a bad name. This is all because of a needless, senseless prohibition. Occasionally, someone may rob a liquor store but its not usually for the alcohol, its for the money. But when a grow is raided, the real interest is money. there is no difference. Government has made a plant worth far more then Mother Nature had intended. So where does the blame truly lie? With the laws against prohibition. The greatest majority of medical marijuana and recreational users are non-violent. Government officials should hang their heads in shame if another person dies or is robbed because of prohibition. :wtf:

Talk about being collectively raped by authorities. And, the anti's will try and cast the worst light on this. They need to be shouted down and pass I-1068 and end this fucking madness. :thumbsup:

[killerweed420]

And Steve is a good example too how when you're an MMJ patient you can get robbed twice. Once by the robbers and then by the cops. Thats why for the time being its better not to call the cops. Have a plan, make it as secure as you can and keep your mouth shut.

[Salvein211]

Hey guys, enjoyed reading the forum. Hopefully Im not reviving an old thread (sorry if so). I've been trying to learn all I can to better educate and protect myself.


Hey Killer,
"One of my concerns on this issue is about federal laws with gun ownership and MJ. For the feds its an immediate felony. Which is exactly why we have the 10th Amendment. The feds have no jusrisdiction in these cases and every federal charge that was used that didn't involve crossing state lines is unconstitutional and all prisoners should be released. "

So federally, it's completely illegal for a mmj patient to possess a gun/weapon, but does our state laws protect us? Anyone who isn't a felon may obtain a Concealed weapons permit, so does that become invalid if you obtain a mmj card?

Graywolf says: "Taking life in defense of property is illegal, but if you are legitimately and serously concerned about the welfare of you and your family and the person invades your home, make that clear to the reporting officer and hire a good attorney to make your case."

It's just sad you have to fight for your life (at the residence during a break in, AND in court). If you kill an intruder, I guess you better not score a headshot. If you empty the clip, you'd have to be convincing that you where scared out of your mind. But I completely agree, you can't leave any survivors to sue your ass. ..... Where I live, I've heard 1-2 gunshots and police don't show up promptly, but if you empty a clip.... you may have 2-3 minutes at the most.

[gypski]

Hey guys, enjoyed reading the forum. Hopefully Im not reviving an old thread (sorry if so). I've been trying to learn all I can to better educate and protect myself.


Hey Killer,
"One of my concerns on this issue is about federal laws with gun ownership and MJ. For the feds its an immediate felony. Which is exactly why we have the 10th Amendment. The feds have no jusrisdiction in these cases and every federal charge that was used that didn't involve crossing state lines is unconstitutional and all prisoners should be released. "

So federally, it's completely illegal for a mmj patient to possess a gun/weapon, but does our state laws protect us? Anyone who isn't a felon may obtain a Concealed weapons permit, so does that become invalid if you obtain a mmj card?

Graywolf says: "Taking life in defense of property is illegal, but if you are legitimately and serously concerned about the welfare of you and your family and the person invades your home, make that clear to the reporting officer and hire a good attorney to make your case."

It's just sad you have to fight for your life (at the residence during a break in, AND in court). If you kill an intruder, I guess you better not score a headshot. If you empty the clip, you'd have to be convincing that you where scared out of your mind. But I completely agree, you can't leave any survivors to sue your ass. ..... Where I live, I've heard 1-2 gunshots and police don't show up promptly, but if you empty a clip.... you may have 2-3 minutes at the most.

I know someone with an authorization and a concealed permit that is still current as of this date to my knowledge. Just don't brandish it or flash it in a threatening or intimidating manner that is a crime in Washington state, along with clubs, swords, bottles, and other numerous weapons from the late 1800s-early 1900s.. :thumbsup:

[middieman440]

the saddest thing is if someone breaks into your home and injures him/herself he/she can sue you,and they always win the case.my motto 2 in the chest one in the head makes them dead! i have permits for my 3 pistols and many rifles im an avid hunter/marksman and i rarely miss a target.

but the best situation if someone enters your home let em take what they want hide so ur not seen and let them do there thing,makes everything easier and no reason to put your families life in danger,get an alarm system dont post the signs saying you have one theives are smart remember its there job to rob so they know ways around everything....

if physical/deadly force is needed then by all means do what you have to do.i know that if i see a person in my home with a gun i will be shooting first if im able 2....but if its not a gun call the cops and protect yourself.....some cops actually do care..

keep it safe be smart and use caution with everything you do.

[killerweed420]

Hey guys, enjoyed reading the forum. Hopefully Im not reviving an old thread (sorry if so). I've been trying to learn all I can to better educate and protect myself.


Hey Killer,
"One of my concerns on this issue is about federal laws with gun ownership and MJ. For the feds its an immediate felony. Which is exactly why we have the 10th Amendment. The feds have no jusrisdiction in these cases and every federal charge that was used that didn't involve crossing state lines is unconstitutional and all prisoners should be released. "

So federally, it's completely illegal for a mmj patient to possess a gun/weapon, but does our state laws protect us? Anyone who isn't a felon may obtain a Concealed weapons permit, so does that become invalid if you obtain a mmj card?

Graywolf says: "Taking life in defense of property is illegal, but if you are legitimately and serously concerned about the welfare of you and your family and the person invades your home, make that clear to the reporting officer and hire a good attorney to make your case."

It's just sad you have to fight for your life (at the residence during a break in, AND in court). If you kill an intruder, I guess you better not score a headshot. If you empty the clip, you'd have to be convincing that you where scared out of your mind. But I completely agree, you can't leave any survivors to sue your ass. ..... Where I live, I've heard 1-2 gunshots and police don't show up promptly, but if you empty a clip.... you may have 2-3 minutes at the most.
Yes federally if you're busted for growing, consumming or selling you will get a firearm charge on top of the MJ charge. But under normal conditions the feds don't become involved below 100 plants. So generally you're safe in the state, just don't cross state lines with both a firearm and MJ. Have had CWP for about 30 years and as long as you use commonsense the cops don't bother you.
In Washington state you can only use a firearm to protect yourself or someone else. Its important to remember if you ever get in a circumstance where you have to use a firearm in self defense to always say you were in fear of your life, that either the person threatened you or took threatening actions.
Cops show up pretty quickly if you say there's a firearm being used. If you do end up having to use it be sure to unload and lay somewhere in plain site for the cops to see and make no furtive movements when they show up. Hands clear of body, no cellphones or anything else in your hands.
The general rule is a triple tap. 2 to the chest, 1 to the head.

[justpics]

Federal law says that unless the controlled substance you are using is "prescribed", you may not posses a fire arm.


Does a medical marijuana recommendation meet the requirements of the word, "prescribed" in the CFR?

Prescribed could mean to recommend the use of, in a not strict medical sense. But I wouldn't want to be the test case.

[killerweed420]

No. MJ is not perscribed in any state yet.
Federally you're screwed whether you have a state authorization or not. But normally the feds would never be involved for small amounts of 99 plants or less. State wise you can legally have a gun unless leo tries to prove you were involved in sales. Then you risk a firearm enhancement.
If you have fireamrs in the house just use care and you should be fine.
You have to remember too that MJ is not legal in Washington, it only allows you an affirmative defense. So cops can still confiscate everything and make you argue it out in court.