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jamessr

03-09-2010, 08:22 AM

Anyone watched this yet? What do you think about this group?

YouTube - 911 Loose Change (full-length) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E3oIbO0AWE)

killerweed420

03-09-2010, 07:34 PM

Haven't watched this particular one but have watched a lot of the others. There is a core truth to all of them that our government has lied to us and is with holding information. Until we actually have a transparent government we will never have the answers. Hell we don't even know who killed Kennedy, the evidence is still sealed and a lot of it is said to be missing. Even his brain is said to be missing now.

kathaksung

03-11-2010, 06:32 PM

Quote, "Tuesday March 2nd 2010 - In the Washington Times, in an article published in "Inside the Beltway - Explosive News" - Jennifer Harper writes about the enigmas still surrounding the 'inside job' of 9/11:

"February 22, 2010 - A lingering technical question about the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks still haunts some, and it has political implications: How did 200,000 tons of steel disintegrate and drop in 11 seconds? A thousand architects and engineers want to know, and are calling on Congress to order a new investigation into the destruction of the Twin Towers and Building 7 at the World Trade Center.

"In order to bring down this kind of mass in such a short period of time, the material must have been artificially, exploded outwards," says Richard Gage, a San Francisco architect and founder of the nonprofit Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

Mr. Gage, who is a member of the American Institute of Architects, managed to persuade more than 1,000 of his peers to sign a new petition requesting a formal inquiry.

"The official Federal Emergency Management [Agency] and National Institute of Standards and Technology reports provide insufficient, contradictory and fraudulent accounts of the circumstances of the towers' destruction. We are therefore calling for a grand jury investigation of NIST officials," Mr. Gage adds.

The technical issues surrounding the collapse of the towers has prompted years of debate, rebuttal and ridicule.

He is particularly disturbed by Building 7, a 47-story skyscraper, which was not hit by an aircraft, yet came down in "pure free-fall acceleration."

He also says that more than 100 first-responders reported explosions and flashes as the towers were falling and cited evidence of "multi-ton steel sections ejected laterally 600 ft. at 60 mph" and the "mid-air pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete & metal decking."

There is also evidence of "advanced explosive nano-thermitic composite material found in the World Trade Center dust," Mr. Gage says. The group's petition at www. ae911truth.org is already on its way to members of Congress.

"Government officials will be notified that 'Misprision of Treason,' U.S. Code 18 (Sec. 2382), is a serious federal offense, which requires those with evidence of treason to act," Mr. Gage says. "The implications are enormous and may have profound impact on the forthcoming Khalid Shaikh Mohammed trial."

Stay tuned for more in this space." - [and end]

Source: Washington Times - Url.: Inside the Beltway - Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/feb/22/inside-the-beltway-70128635/)

WIlDuce1883

03-16-2010, 10:43 AM

9/11 Missing Links is a more extensive video than the likes of "Loose Change."

Rusty Trichome

03-16-2010, 01:29 PM

Which revision to the Loose Change docu-bullshit are you refering? They've re-done it a few times due to inaccuracies and moronic suppositions later debunked.

What are the physics of squeezing an accordian? (the blowing-out of mid and lower-story windows)

How does the foam fire-retardant protect the steel structure, when blasted-off by a 500 mph missle and the resultant explosion of fuel? What did that explosion do to the integrety of the structure? Remember...the fire didn't need to get hot enough to melt the steel, but just hot enough to bend it beyond load-bearing limits.

Ever seen a concrete block explode? I have. The gasses inside expand tremendously when subjected to fire.

If trying to save large building "A" do you even give a crap about small building "B", which was set alite by building "A" debris, which in turn lit the emergency back-up generator and it's fuel supply? Especially in the light of the many firefighters lost in building "A"?

Those that misunderstand physics should remain on the sidelines till they do understand.

9/11 "truthers" are kinda like the nazi holocaust deniers. Ignoring the facts to suit their misunderstanding of the situation. :jointsmile:
"truthers"...now that's funny.

bigtopsfinn

03-16-2010, 03:07 PM

If trying to save large building "A" do you even give a crap about small building "B", which was set alite by building "A" debris, which in turn lit the emergency back-up generator and it's fuel supply? Especially in the light of the many firefighters lost in building "A"?

Is this referring to WTC 7 (Building "B")?

Do you really think that the Federal Government gives a shit about 95% of the American people, other than to perpetuate control through fear, consumerism and debt?

I'm not a physicist, but maybe you can explain the nano-thermite thing to me, and how it was found everywhere, by an independent, Danish research team. Are the Dane's now terrorists, or just laughable truthers?

There are just too many peculiar coincidences surrounding the whole thing for me (and obviously many others) to believe what the U.S. government is telling us.

Al-qaeda was CIA funded in the past.

The highjackers were trained on U.S. soil.

The Patriot Act was written before the attacks.

The military running a drill on the exact same scenario, during the attacks.

How about the fact that WTC 1 & 2 became fully insured, specifically for acts of terrorism, just months before the attacks? The owner made a pretty penny on that, especially when taking into consideration the necessary renovations needed to the buildings, rising maintenance costs and fewer leases.

Many more coincidences that just don't add up for me...

But hey, believe what you want to believe. Personally I don't think there's anything funny about thousands of people losing their lives, whether it was in those buildings or the wars they set off. I also don't think it's funny that a select few profited greatly from all these events and the wars. I do think that until there is a consensus about what happened, people should continue to ask questions.

If the government has been lying to you about cannabis for all these years, it's very likely that they are lying about a lot of other things. :twocents:

jtsik330

03-16-2010, 03:20 PM

Lets not forget that people are still dieing because of what happend in the WTC. We are alllll in trouble:( just my $.02)

Rusty Trichome

03-16-2010, 03:41 PM

Yup...your government is out to get you. Better hide under a bed and not use any brainpower to check the facts yourself, or ponder validity of source info, or wondering how it could make sense. One can attempt to point fingers at a variety of sources but beyond the intelligence ineptitude and the liberal ego acting for years like we are invulnerable to radicals, the fault lies with the muslim extremists.
Funny in all these conspiracy theories nobody had mentioned the State Dept or UN. Hmmm...I'll bet they set us up. Yeah...that's the ticket...

So using a common weapon as an example...(truck bomb at the Federal Building in OK) you are implying diesel gas and ammonium nitrate traces deduct explosives? You certain you can't have the same two in a given vicinity without illicit intent? (what's a farm tractor run on, and what could it be spreading as a good source of nitrogen?)

What kinds of businesses would have chemicals that when mixed might indicate foul-play? What with jet fuels and lubricants, back-up diesel genetator fuel, perhaps a maintenance storage room or two on each floor, money laundry facilities...I'm sure you could find traces of many combustables.

Not trusting your government is a personal choice, as is how you process information.

Were the USA encouraging the freaks to strike, why pass the Patriot Act at all? Especially pre 9-11. If you want us to be hit, and we're in on it...why bother monitor the bad guys through legislation? A simple phone call is all that's necessary to co-ordinate.

Occams razor states in summary that usually the simplest answer is likely the right answer The muslim freaks got lucky due to our lackadasical immigration and foreign policies.

gypski

03-16-2010, 04:20 PM

In the video 911 Eyewitness, one can clearly see a floor explodeBEFORE the debris fall from above covers it up. Seeing is believing in my book. Don't believe me, watch the video. You will also see survivors still on the upper floors before they collapse. :thumbsup:

911 Eyewitness - Help find the Truth! (http://www.911eyewitness.com/)

Islandborn

03-16-2010, 04:24 PM

Islandborn

03-16-2010, 04:26 PM

9/11 Truthers......meet your leaders.

bigtopsfinn

03-16-2010, 04:28 PM

One can attempt to point fingers at a variety of sources but beyond the intelligence ineptitude and the liberal ego acting for years like we are invulnerable to radicals, the fault lies with the muslim extremists.

I tend to look at the bigger picture in this case, which is that there wouldn't be Muslim extremists if it weren't for U.S. foreign policy, run by, in my opinion, Christian extremists (Early Christians were pacifists). I don't think people hate America because it's a 'free' country.

So using a common weapon as an example...(truck bomb at the Federal Building in OK) you are implying diesel gas and ammonium nitrate traces deduct explosives? You certain you can't have the same two in a given vicinity without illicit intent? (what's a farm tractor run on, and what could it be spreading as a good source of nitrogen?)

What kinds of businesses would have chemicals that when mixed might indicate foul-play? What with jet fuels and lubricants, back-up diesel genetator fuel, perhaps a maintenance storage room or two on each floor, money laundry facilities...I'm sure you could find traces of many combustables.

I thought nano-thermite could only be produced by nano-technology? Can it be proven that nano-thermite is a product of burning building falling down on a bunch of random chemicals?

Were the USA encouraging the freaks to strike, why pass the Patriot Act at all? Especially pre 9-11.

Again, my view of U.S. foreign policy is that they do encourage extremism. Passing The Patriot Act, illegal wiretapping, taking away the rights of citizens, just adds to the conspiracy. This again goes back to the control thing.

If you want us to be hit, and we're in on it...why bother monitor the bad guys through legislation? A simple phone call is all that's necessary to co-ordinate.

Phone calls were made, and people were gagged. There were whistle-blowers, and you can see their testimonies in front of hearings.

You make good points, but I don't think either of us qualified to prove or disprove all of the claims made by both sides. So for now, I'm just sitting on the sidelines, but still asking questions :)

bigtopsfinn

03-16-2010, 04:46 PM

Wasn't "loose change" created by four 20 year old kids in his moms basement apartment?

Here is a video showing these creators and some background so all these folks see who is being talked about in reality

YouTube - 9/11 Truthers: Meet the Creators of "Loose Change" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs5jWvu4tR8)

Wow.....some real educated folks.....or kooks if you prefer.

How is this a credible source of information? Truthers are said to watch too many YouTube vids, now they are being used against them?

Einstein flunked high school. Heh, these guys are no Einsteins, but really... they don't have all the answers either.

Islandborn

03-16-2010, 04:52 PM

I agree....loose change was a joke.

And a small fraction of the muslim community were radical islamo nutjobs LONG before the United States even existed....like thousands of years before the U.S. existed. Facts are Facts.:thumbsup:

bigtopsfinn

03-16-2010, 04:59 PM

And a small fraction of the muslim community were radical islamo nutjobs LONG before the United States even existed

And they were carrying out massive terrorist attacks on far away foreign lands also? Islam is only 1300 years old.

emmpey

03-16-2010, 08:51 PM

Remember...the fire didn't need to get hot enough to melt the steel, but just hot enough to bend it beyond load-bearing limits.

But the fire was only contained in the upper stories, why would the entire structure below it 'collapse' when it has been successfully bearing the entire weight of the towers for decades?

Ever seen a concrete block explode? I have. The gasses inside expand tremendously when subjected to fire.

Yes, but what about the steel core of the building, why did that 'explode' into a million pieces? By the way are you a physicist, structural engineer or architect?

WIlDuce1883

03-17-2010, 02:20 AM

Einstein flunked high school. Heh, these guys are no Einsteins, but really... they don't have all the answers either.

Albert Einstein, Plagiarist of the Century (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_einstein.htm)

It is the "victors" who write the history books.

Rusty Trichome

03-17-2010, 01:43 PM

bigtopsfinn

03-17-2010, 03:37 PM

Regarding your nano-thermite...(or was it paint?)

British Institute of Nanotechnology: Military Involved in 9/11 - iTulip.com (http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthread.php?p=149396)
Democratic Underground - 9 Scientists Misidentify Paint Chips As "Nano-thermite" - Democratic Underground (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=295177&mesg_id=295323)

And there's more if you'd care to do any research yourself rather than relying on the blogsites.

We could go line by line with your examples, but my wife just woke up. Perhaps later...:thumbsup:

Aren't those blog sites? :D

And that information wasn't from a blog site, but from a Danish TV interview with the head of the study. I saw those pictures, I'm not a nano-physicist, but they don't look anything alike to me... but wtf do I know :)

I also have better things to do than sit here arguing ;) I'd like to leave it at "we have a difference of opinion", hope that's OK with you...

Happy growing :jointsmile:

Rusty Trichome

03-17-2010, 04:05 PM

Lol...I'm ok with that. Just been slow in the growing rooms, thought I'd freelance a bit. :thumbsup:

kathaksung

03-27-2010, 06:36 PM

Former Head Of Star Wars Program Says Cheney Main 9/11 Suspect
Official version of events a conspiracy theory, says drills were cover for attacks

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet.com | April 4 2006

The former head of the Star Wars missile defense program under Presidents Ford and Carter has gone public to say that the official version of 9/11 is a conspiracy theory and his main suspect for the architect of the attack is Vice President Dick Cheney.
Dr. Robert M. Bowman, Lt. Col., USAF, ret. flew 101 combat missions in Vietnam. He is the recipient of the Eisenhower Medal, the George F. Kennan Peace Prize, the Presidentâ??s Medal of Veterans for Peace, the Society of Military Engineers Gold Medal (twice), six Air Medals, and dozens of other awards and honors. His Ph.D. is in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from Caltech. He chaired 8 major international conferences, and is one of the countryâ??s foremost experts on National Security.
Bowman worked secretly for the US government on the Star Wars project and was the first to coin the very term in a 1977 secret memo. After Bowman realized that the program was only ever intended to be used as an aggressive and not defensive tool, as part of a plan to initiate a nuclear war with the Soviets, he left the program and campaigned against it.

In an interview with The Alex Jones Show aired nationally on the GCN Radio Network, Bowman (pictured below) stated that at the bare minimum if Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda were involved in 9/11 then the government stood down and allowed the attacks to happen. He said it is plausible that the entire chain of military command were unaware of what was taking place and were used as tools by the people pulling the strings behind the attack.

Former Head Of Star Wars Program Says Cheney Main 9/11 Suspect (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/040406mainsuspect.htm)

kathaksung

05-12-2010, 07:14 PM

Evidence that 911 is an inside job

The Media Response to the Growing Influence of the 9/11 Truth Movement.
Part II: A Survey of Attitude Change in 2009-2010

by Elizabeth Woodworth

Global Research, February 15, 2010

The Media Response to the Growing Influence of the 9/11 Truth Movement. (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?aid=17624&context=va)

Abstract

In the past year, in response to emerging independent science on the 9/11 attacks, nine corporate, seven public, and two independent media outlets aired analytic programs investigating the official account.

Increasingly, the issue is treated as a scientific controversy worthy of debate, rather than as a "conspiracy theory" ignoring science and common sense.

This essay presents these media analyses in the form of 18 case studies.

Eight countries â?? Britain, Canada, Denmark, France, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway and Russia â?? have allowed their publicly-owned broadcasting stations to air the full spectrum of evidence challenging the truth of the official account of 9/11.

This more open approach taken in the international media â?? I could also have included the Japanese media â?? might be a sign that worldwide public and corporate media organizations are positioning themselves, and preparing their audiences, for a possible revelation of the truth of the claim that forces within the US government were complicit in the attacks â?? a revelation that would call into question the publicly given rationale for the military operations in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.

The evidence now being explored in the international media may pave the way for the US media to take an in-depth look at the implications of what is now known about 9/11, and to re-examine the country's foreign and domestic policies in the light of this knowledge.

I. Introduction

Until 2009, doubts about the official 9/11 story were briefly entertained by the mainstream media on each anniversary of the event, allowing the independent research community only a fleeting moment once a year to publicly voice its findings.

But after crucial scientific evidence emerged in April 2009 to challenge the official story of how the towers fell, a spate of European media reports followed. The news coverage of this evidence seems to have opened the door to more serious reflection on all aspects of the 9/11 issue in the major media.

The first paper in my series, "The Media Response to 9/11," dealt with the New Statesman's grudging recognition of Dr. David Ray Griffin, the world's "top truther" (as it dubbed him), placing him number 41 among "The 50 People Who Matter Today."1 Since this admission in September 2009, the issue has gathered increasing momentum.

The collective content issuing from this new momentum is presented here in the hope that it will embolden other major media to take up the pivotal controversy concerning 9/11, and pursuing the truth wherever it may lead.

Observations on the Analysis

While carrying out my analysis, I observed five new features in the media treatment of the 9/11 issue that developed as 2009 progressed. They are listed here, so that readers might look for them in the case studies that follow below:
1. The 9/11 issue is increasingly framed not as conspiracy theories versus hard science, but as a legitimate controversy resting on unanswered questions and a search for truth.

2. News reports and television programs examining these controversies have become longer and more balanced.

3. Major media outlets have begun to present the claims of the truth movement first, followed by counter-arguments from defenders of the official story.

4. Major media outlets have begun to include, and even to introduce, extensive evidence to support the claims of the 9/11 truth community.

5. The media treatments increasingly suggest the possibility of a re-investigation into the events of September 11, 2001.

The first part of this essay deals with the crucial scientific evidence that emerged in early 2009, the significance of this evidence in relation to the official story of 9/11, and the immediate news coverage it received.

II. Scientific Paper Finds Nano-thermite Explosives in World Trade Center Dust, April 3, 2009

A peer-reviewed paper published in the Open Chemical Physics Journal on April 3, 2009,2 reported that a little known high-tech explosive called nano-thermite was found throughout the World Trade Center dust.

These physicists and chemists involved in this study discovered "distinctive red/gray chips in significant numbers"3 in four samples of dust collected from the area. The presence of aluminum and iron oxide in the red material provided one of the signs that it might be nano-thermite, which is a high explosive (whereas ordinary thermite is an incendiary.)

Another clue was provided when putting a flame to the chips produced an explosive reaction.

On the basis of these and other observations, the team concluded that "the red layer of the red/gray chips we have discovered in the WTC dust is active, unreacted thermitic material, incorporating nanotechnology, and is a highly energetic pyrotechnic or explosive material."4

The article's first-named author, Dr. Niels Harrit â?? a University of Copenhagen chemistry professor who specializes in nano-chemistry5 â??explained on Danish TV2 News:
"Thermite itself dates back to 1893. It is a mixture of aluminum and rust-powder, which react to create intense heat. The reaction produces iron, heated to 2500 degrees Centigrade. This can be used to do welding. It can also be used to melt other iron.

"So in nano-thermite, this powder from 1893 is reduced to tiny particles, perfectly mixed. When these react, the intense heat develops much more quickly. Nano-thermite can be mixed with additives to give off intense heat, or serve as a very effective explosive. It contains more energy than dynamite, and can be used as rocket fuel.

"You cannot fudge this kind of science. We have found it: unreacted thermite."6

What was the significance of this sophisticated material?

Reported Evidence that Nano-thermite is a Military Substance

In a German interview in May 2009, Dr. Harrit said: "There are no experts on nano-thermite without connections to the militaryâ?¦. This stuff has only been prepared under military contracts in the USA and probably in bigger allied countries. This is secret military researchâ?¦It was not prepared in a cave in Afghanistan."7

Chemist Kevin Ryan, another co-author, had reported in an earlier article that explosive nano-thermite, which may be painted onto surfaces, was developed by US government scientists at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratories.8

A United States Department of Defense special publication confirms that work on these "energetic materials" has long been "performed in laboratories within all military services."9

According to a June 2009 statement by Britain's prestigious Institute of Nanotechnology,10 the Harrit study "provides indisputable evidence that a highly engineered explosive called nano-thermite was found in the dust of all three buildings that came down on 9/11 2001 in New York city. [sic] This advanced explosive incorporating nanotechnology is only available to sophisticated military labs."11

It thus became known by mid-2009 that explosives of military origin, probably in the United States, had been involved in the World Trade Center collapses.

Early Coverage of the Nano-thermite Finding in the European Mainstream Press

Although the new scientific evidence against the official story of 9/11 was not reported in the mainstream British or North American media, it did receive attention in continental Europe.

The day the article was published, a thorough essay in the Danish journal Videnskab (Science) examined both sides of the controversy about controlled demolition.12

The same issue of Videnskab also carried an interview with Professor Harrit, who answered pointed questions about the peer-review history of the article, and the military nature of nano-thermite.13

The following day, Denmark's politiken.dk reported the scientific nano-thermite paper in an article called (in Danish) "Conspiracy theories about 9/11 get new life."14

Then, the day after Professor Harrit's April 6 interview Danish TV2 News, he was featured on the popular talk show, "Good Morning Denmark", on which he said:
"The material we found is super hi-tech frontline military research. It's not a mixture of random chemicals. It's an advanced material which is difficult to get information on. But some conference papers and internal reports have been publishedâ?¦There has to be a normal forensic investigation of this attempt. Our research is high-level forensic work. We have provided technical evidence that can be used in the future investigation."15

On April 13, an online Croatian political newspaper posted the Danish TV2 video interview with Harrit along with an article titled "VIDEO: 9/11 No Longer Taboo Topic in Denmark".16

Russia also took notice. On July 9, Laura Emmett, the London correspondent for RT, interviewed Dr. Niels Harrit for over 10 minutes. (RT, previously known as Russia Today, is a globally broadcast English-language channel sponsored by the state-owned news agency RIA Novosti. It reaches 1.5 million people monthly, including half a million Americans.) Stating that "the evidence for controlled demolition is overwhelming", Harrit reported that the nano-thermite reaction produced pools of molten iron beneath the rubble and inextinguishable fires that lasted for months.17

I turn now to ways that the mainstream news coverage of the case against the official story has changed since the appearance of the nano-thermite paper.

III. The Changing Mainstream Media Treatment of 9/11 Evidence from early 2009 to early 2010: 18 Case Studies

Two February 2009 news items illustrate the wary mainstream attitude towards conspiracy theorists early in the year. A New York Times article said about actor Daniel Sunjata:
The second episode of "Rescue Me's" fifth season, starting in April, may represent the first fictional presentation of 9/11 conspiracy theories by a mainstream media companyâ?¦Mr. Sunjata's character delivers a two-minute monologueâ?¦describing a "neoconservative government effort" to control the world's oil, drastically increase military spending and "change the definition of pre-emptive attack."

Mr. Sunjata surprised some of the TV reporters when he said that he "absolutely, 100 percent" supports the assertion that "9/11 was an inside job."18
Fox News was somewhat less constrained, saying:
An upcoming episode of the drama "Rescue Me" is about 9/11 being an inside job. The actor who spews the theories on camera, Daniel Sunjata, actually believes in it too.

Look, the fact is, actors who barf this crap are doing it for their own egos. It makes them feel smart, because for once they're spouting something provocative instead of puerile. Never mind that it's an insidious insult to the victims of 9/11 â?? as it is to the rest of us, who may or may not be guilty, according to Sunjata's theory.19

However, things started to change after the appearance of the nano-thermite paper on April 3, as may be seen from the following case studies of media reports, each of which is identified as having corporate, public, or independent ownership.

The case studies reveal the evidence which has been introduced into public consciousness during the past year.

kathaksung

06-03-2010, 07:05 PM

VIDEO: 9-11 Truth makes HUGE appearance at Los Angeles Anti-War March

YouTube - 9-11 Truth makes HUGE appearance at Los Angeles Anti-War March (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMiqPQdWvo4)

WIlDuce1883

06-07-2010, 02:51 AM

Israel and 9/11: A Summary (http://www.keepthetruthalive.com/2008/06/israel-and-911-summary.html)

kathaksung

06-23-2010, 06:26 PM

9/11: Where is the Plane, Flight 77

Dailymotion - 9/11: Where is the Plane, Flight 77 - a News & Politics video (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x18k5v_911-where-is-the-plane-flight-77)

WIlDuce1883

06-24-2010, 02:40 AM

TEHRAN - American journalist and author Christopher Bollyn says 9/11 was an Israeli false-flag operation meant to kick-start the Zionist-designed â??war on terrorâ?.

He made the remarks earlier this week during an email interview with freelance journalist Kourosh Ziabari.

Mr. Bollyn added that Iran is probably the main target since foreign oil corporations and big capital have designs on Iran.

Following is the text of the interview:

Q: Could you explain why you think Mossad and CIA were involved in 9/11 terrorist attacks?

A: The earliest evidence of Israeli involvement in 9-11 was actually revealed in the news on the very day of the terror attacks and shortly thereafter, but never followed up in the mainstream media.

First, there was the van of 5 Israelis who were arrested in New Jersey on 9-11. This group, which included two Mossad agents known to U.S. law enforcement, had been observed videotaping the destruction of the Twin Towers with themselves celebrating in front of the camera, flicking their lighters and laughing with the burning towers in the background across the river. These Israelis worked for a fake moving company, Urban Moving Systems of Weehawken, New Jersey, which actually turned out to be a Mossad front operation. Dominic Suter, the head of the phony company, was allowed to escape to Israel shortly after 9-11 although he was a terror suspect being investigated by the FBI. The five Israelis, some of whom refused or failed lie detector tests, were caught in possession of multiple passports, box cutters, and a large amount of cash stuffed in their socks. Their van tested positive for explosives when checked by New Jersey police, at least until the FBI took over the investigation. When the five Mossadniks were returned to Israel in November 2001, three of them appeared on a popular television show and openly admitted that their mission had been to document the terror attacks. Who had given them this mission was not discussed.

Secondly, there were some 4,000 Israelis who were expected to have been at the World Trade Center, as per the Israeli foreign ministry and the Jerusalem Post, who did not show up for work on 9-11. There were text messages sent on Odigo, an Israeli-owned instant messaging system, warning of the terror attacks several hours before the first plane hit the towers. These warnings were evidently sent in Hebrew and warned of terror attacks at the World Trade Center. Alex Diamandis, Odigo's vice president, said, â??The messages said something big was going to happen in a certain amount of time, and it did â?? almost to the minute.â? The Odigo story was reported in the Washington Post, but not a single New York newspaper picked it up. The Post reported that the FBI had sent a team to Israel to investigate the content and origin of these messages, but the story was dropped and never investigated any further in the U.S. media. How odd.

Both of these stories were reported, but only briefly and then dropped into the memory hole. I began my 9-11 research by investigating these stories. With such clear evidence of Israeli prior knowledge of the attacks, I pursued my investigation to see if Israelis or Zionists were involved in other key aspects of the crime or the cover-up, and I found that they were. Indeed, orthodox Jews and Zionists cropped up at every critical point of the operation, which I discuss in detail in my book, Solving 9-11 â?? The Deception that Changed the World.

The key U.S. official behind the 9-11 cover-up was Assistant Attorney General Michael Chertoff, an Israeli citizen and son of a Mossad agent. Chertoff was the head of the criminal division of the Department of Justice at the time and the top boss of the FBI. From this position Chertoff managed the FBI's â??non-investigationâ? of 9-11, and supervised the confiscation and destruction of the critical evidence from the crime scenes, such as videotapes, aircraft debris, and more than 99 percent of the steel from the World Trade Center. The destruction of this crucial evidence is a crime in and of itself.

Q: You say Israel is the architect of 9/11 terrorist attacks, but some people call you a conspiracy theorist.

A: A conspiracy is a secret plan by a group of people to do something harmful or illegal. There is certainly no question that the terror attacks of 9-11 were planned and carried out by a group of people acting in secret. A conspiracy theorist in this context would be a person who believes that a conspiracy is behind the terrorism attacks that started the so-called â??War on Terror.â? Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama have both stated that an Islamic conspiracy, headed by Osama Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda, is behind 9-11. Based on this specious and unproven assertion the Bush administration invaded Afghanistan in October 2001 and began a war of occupation which the Obama administration has adopted as its own and continues to fight to this day. President Obama says the U.S. is fighting the war in Afghanistan because of 9-11.

I, on the other hand, consider 9-11 to be an unsolved crime and have pursued my investigation based on the available evidence. Since the evidence indicates that Israeli intelligence had prior knowledge of the attacks and because prior knowledge of something like 9-11 is indicative of involvement in the crime, I have worked on the hypothesis thatâ?¦ Israel was involved in 9-11 and have pursued my investigation along that line. That does not make me a conspiracy theorist.

One of the main reasons I rejected the government claim that Al-Qaeda was behind 9-11 is because all the evidence indicates that the Twin Towers and WTC 7 were demolished with explosives. The plane crashes did not bring down the Twin Towers and Larry Silverstein's 47-story building, which collapsed a block away without even being hit.

When I learned in the summer of 2002 that molten iron had been found at the base of all three towers, I knew I had evidence that the Bush administration's explanation of what had happened to the World Trade Center was false. This important discovery revealed that the public had been lied to by the government about what really happened on 9-11.

The publication of the peer-reviewed paper about the discovery of large amounts of active super-thermite in the dust of the demolished World Trade Center by Dr. Steven E. Jones and others in March 2009 provides scientific proof that an extremely energetic form of thermite, made with nanotechnology, was responsible for the pulverization of the 220 concrete floors of the Twin Towers, and everything on them. This is what created the immense clouds of hot dust that everyone saw on 9-11. Survivors have said that the dust was burning hot. This is because it contained tiny droplets of molten iron, which were described and shown in the U.S. Geological Survey study of the dust. The hot spots that burned beneath the rubble for three months were hotter than the boiling point of iron and created nanosize particles that were found in large quantities in the smoke rising from the pile. These were all clear indications that thermite had been used to demolish the towers.

Logically, the discovery of chips of super-thermite in the dust marked the end of the official version as an acceptable explanation for what happened to the Twin Towers. Neither Osama Bin Laden nor Al-Qaeda had anything to do with the creation or application of the super-thermite that pulverized the World Trade Center. These facts are becoming clear to a growing number of people. The game is over for the 9-11 cover-up crowd.

Q: You introduced U.S. official Michael Chertoff the man behind the 9-11 cover-up, does the U.S. administration really unaware of Israeli involvement?

A: In March 2010, Dr. Alan Sabrosky, the former Director of Strategic Studies at the U.S. Army War College, said in a radio interview: â??It is one hundred percent certain that 9-11 was a Mossad operation, period.â? Dr. Sabrosky also stated that high-level U.S. military officers know that Israel did it.

Dr. Sabrosky is, to my knowledge, the first person from the U.S. military establishment to have publicly supported the hypothesis that Israeli intelligence was behind 9-11. I have not heard of any U.S. statesman refer to my research although I am sure there are many politicians who are aware of it.

Q: The Bush administration launched â??war on terrorâ? after 9/11 incidents and attacked Afghanistan, and then Iraq in 2003? Do you think another false-flag operation is in the making to attack another Muslim country?

A: My hypothesis is that 9-11 was an Israeli-designed â??false-flagâ? operation that was meant to be blamed on Al-Qaeda in order to kick-start the Zionist-designed â??War on Terror.â? Actually, Iran is probably the main target, at least in the minds of the Zionist war planners. This is because the CIA and the Mossad got kicked out of Iran when (Mohammad Reza) Shah Pahlavi was overthrown in 1979. The foreign oil corporations, big capital, and their intelligence agencies want to get Iran back under their control.

I always thought that the name â??Central Commandâ? or CENTCOM was a strange name for the military command that oversees U.S. operations in the Middle East -- central to whom? Iran now finds itself surrounded by U.S. military interventions on three sides and CENTCOM is based in Qatar, right in the middle.

Furthermore, Iran has long been the target of a concerted effort led by the Zionists and the controlled press to impose sanctions in an effort to weaken the largest independent nation in the Middle East. This is why they use the issue of Iranâ??s nuclear development, most unfairly, as a club to attack the Iranian government. The Zionist Axis of New York, London, and Tel Aviv refuses to accept that Iran is not under their control.

Q: Youâ??ve published pictures on your website depicting: â??Israel does not represent world Jewryâ?. Do you think Israel is going to survive all this?

A: No. I don't see how a small, artificial state run by terrorists and despised by its neighbors and most of the world can possibly survive in the long term. It simply is not sustainable. This is, after all, why 9-11 was carried out -- to bring the U.S. military into the Middle East to protect the Zionist hegemony in the region. Public opinion, however, has turned strongly against Israel as a result of a long string of Zionist crimes and atrocities. A state that is so despised simply cannot survive for long.

Q: The U.S. officials regularly reaffirm their commitment to the security of Israel and disallow international community to hold Israelis accountable for the various crimes they commit. Is it possible for the international bodies to try Israeli officials despite U.S. opposition?

A: This is the real problem. Zionist influence and control over the U.S. government prevents the international community from reining in the behavior of the nuclear-tipped outlawâ?¦ Israel. The U.S. veto in the UN Security Council has effectively protected Israel from sanctions for decades. But the failure to enforce international law and apply corrective measures onâ?¦ Israel has resulted in the creation of a monster-state that is now out of control. Had the system of international law worked as it should Israel would have been forced to adjust its behavior and find a way to live in peace with the Palestinians and its neighbors.

Q: Whatâ??s your take on Israelâ??s last month attack on the Gaza Freedom Flotilla? And do you think the international reaction have been the same had Iran carried out such attack on a flotilla of international aid ships?

A: Of course not. If Iran had committed such a massacre on the high seas it would have been punished severely and immediately by the United Nations and international community. Furthermore, if any other state besides Israel were to impose a blockade on 1.5 million civilians causing extreme hardship and suffering, it would be condemned by every nation in the world. To understand the mild response of the Obama administration to the blockade and the massacre of the nine Turkish peace activists we should recall that Rahm Emanuel, the chief of staff of the Obama White House, was in Israel the week before the attack and met with Benjamin Netanyahu only four days before the Israeli assault on the Freedom Flotilla. It should be noted that Emanuel, an Israeli citizen and the son of an Irgun terrorist, runs the Obama administration.

When it comes to the European response, we now have a weak centralized European Union that discourages unilateral actions taken by the member states. Furthermore, European foreign ministers remember very well what happened to Anna Lindh of Sweden who had called for a European boycott of Israel. She was murdered in broad daylight in Stockholm.

Q: In your one recent article, you reviewed the bankruptcy of three Icelandic banks and related it to the Israelâ??s plundering of Iceland's economy. Would you please elaborate on this?

A: The bankrupting of Iceland's three biggest banks in the fall of 2008 was caused by a foreign-run operation which involved people connected to the Mossad and the most extreme right-wing politicians from the Likud, including Benjamin Netanyahu and Ehud Olmert. The First Lady of Iceland also happens to be an Israeli. The operation basically gained control of the privatized and deregulated banks and puffed them up as it sucked money out of them in the form of billions of dollars in unsecured loans. The privatized banks were simply loaded up with debt and pushed off a cliff. The Icelandic banks were lending huge amounts of money to dodgy Jewish financial tycoons left and right - without any collateral of real value. The largest Icelandic bank to fail, Kaupthing, for example, lent more than $2.5 billion to the Tchenguiz operation, which is run by Victor Tchenguiz in Israel. Robert Tchenguiz, who received billions from Kaupthing, was also one of the largest stockholders in the bank.

The plundering of the banks of Iceland is very similar to the Bernard Madoff scam, the bank failures, and the huge bail-out that occurred at the same time in the United States. Madoff was the chairman of the Sy Syms business school at Yeshiva University. His partner, the late Sy Syms, was also a long-standing director of the privatized Israel Discount Bank of New York, which has a branch in Switzerland that operates under Swiss bank secrecy laws. Kaupthing also had a bank in Luxembourg that had a Swiss branch in Geneva. When Kaupthing collapsed, their Luxembourg subsidiary with the Swiss branch were taken over by David Rowland, an offshore financier who works closely with Israeli intelligence. When the Icelandic banks collapsed under a mountain of debt, the national government and international lenders were called in to absorb the losses while the bank robbers escaped with the money they stashed in secret bank accounts in Switzerland.

Q: U.S. often criticizes Iran over human rights and other things, while it befriends with Saudi Arabia and Egypt? Whatâ??s the actual reason behind this criticism?

A: This is the typical double standard seen in U.S. foreign policy. Any behavior is acceptable from a regime that is willing to play ball with big capital, big oil, and Israel. On the other hand, any regime that refuses to go along will find itself ostracized and penalized. The Hamas government of Palestine is a good example. Hamas won the democratic election fair and square, but because it refuses to be accept Israeli demands and conditions it has been ostracized. Meanwhile, Mahmoud Abbas is treated as the president of Palestine by the United States although he has not been elected and simply extends his term like a tyrant.

Iran is treated in the same way. It is ostracized because it pursues its own national interests and challenges the Anglo-American and Zionist hegemony in the Middle East. This is why the U.S. uses its influence to sanction Iran for its nuclear development program, which is legal and monitored, while completely ignoring Israel's secret nuclear arsenal. We should remember that BP, the oil company that has mucked up the Gulf of Mexico, originally started as the Anglo-Iranian Oil company, with the rights to virtually all the oil of Iran. A BP tanker was the first ship to load up with Iraqi oil after the U.S.-led invasion and occupation of Iraq. These are the people who wage war to steal the assets of sovereign nations.

Q: Whatâ??s your take on Israelâ??s ever-increasing international isolation?

A: Israel is an artificial state that is protected and supported by the United States. This support is due to Zionist influence and corruption of the American political system. Were this to change and were Israel to lose the support of the U.S. government it would be unable to survive. The current government in Israel is composed of the most extreme elements of Israeli society, which is increasingly becoming more orthodox and Russian. Zionist moderates have been pushed aside by the most aggressive and unscrupulous extremists. Those who could have made peace have been killed and replaced by terrorists who know only war.

The people of the United States are fed up with these costly and disastrous wars in the Middle East. A growing number are becoming aware that we have been conned into these wars. The growing divide between the people who know they have been lied to and the government who covers up the truth about 9-11 is simply not sustainable. The United States is sitting on a political fault line that may slide at any time. When the truth of 9-11 reaches a critical mass there will be a political earthquake that will sweep the criminals from power. This is why the discovery of super-thermite in the dust of the World Trade Center is so important, because it marked the end of the government version of 9-11 as an acceptable explanation.

When the deception and lies about 9-11 are exposed and the Zionist and Israeli culprits revealed, Israel will be left without a friend in the world. The racist and militant Zionist regime of Israel is bound to pass from the stage of history just like the communist dictatorships of the Soviet Union and the apartheid regime of South Africa. Such deeply unpopular regimes often fall without a shot being fired. They simply collapse because they are rotten to the core and unable to stand any longer.

http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=221932

Nancy007

06-24-2010, 03:28 AM

There are a few different versions of Loose Change. So far, I've seen 2, and I've heard there are 3. The ones I saw were pretty much the same, but there was a lot of information that was left out in one of them.

Either, information was left out of one because it was false, or it was left out for propaganda purposes. So now I'm really confused, and skeptical as hell with everything, and I think we're all exiled extraterrestrials from some other planet.:abduct:

gypski

06-24-2010, 04:12 AM

Watch 911Hoboken. Its on the web and you will see survivors still on the towers waving to helicopters before the collapse. Its very informative and shows seismographic evidence of explosions below the surface before the collapse of the towers, and physics evidence that the towers didn't fall due to the jet fuel by the angle of the initial collapse of the top of the towers. You will also see a floor explode before the debris fall covers it up. Mistimed fuse and explosives. The debris fall was supposed to cover up the explosions as in a controlled demo on each floor blowing out the supports. :thumbsup:

Nancy007

06-24-2010, 06:13 AM

They showed that stuff on Loose Change too, and I totally believe it was rigged. I just started to get confused when they were talking about meetings with oil companies before this all happened. I heard about Bush having a meeting with people in Dubai before this happened, and the Bush Family being close friends of the Bin Ladens? What the hell?!

Now this Israel stuff. I heard about gold being hidden under the WTC that was discovered after the buildings collapsed, etc. It goes on and on, so many different random things, what do I believe?

I don't know anymore. I think the only thing I can say for certain is my percepton of this country has drastically changed in the last 2 years. I was a hard core Bush Supporter, proud to be a republican, hooray Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity kinda chick. Bleh, now I hate to admit I was ever that way. What was I thinking? I am soooo politically lost.

Blarg!! that was alot....sorry :( The forum is open to shred me apart now for my scattered mentality.

gypski

06-24-2010, 07:45 AM

LOC NAR on probation

06-24-2010, 11:40 AM

Even 9/11 can not wake the Lemmings.

TheCaptain

07-09-2010, 08:19 PM

Ha, lemmings is right. My favorite part, without a doubt, about the 911 bombings was hearing Bush give a speech not too long after the event where he urged people to not be seized by panic and that the best thing they could do was to purchase more consumer goods.

Really? That's actually the best thing we could do in a time like that? I could think of a few other things, like maybe ask for some straight answers as to what the hell just happened and I'm not talking about the g-d 911 commission.

Why is it that people who are in positions of authority seem to have absolutely no accountability? Oh yeah, it's probably got something to do with the fact that we're all trained since birth to have attention spans as long as a caffeine crazed fruit fly. Most people can barely hold a cogent argument or complete 2 page magazine article, so they were probably one their way to Cash-4-Titles before Bush's speech was even over.

/cynical

zebu111

07-13-2010, 02:46 AM

on 9/11 Dick Cheney was in his bunker
supervising a NORAD drill...

and what was that drill? two planes take down the World Trade Center!

that's all you need to know...

WfW3IwyXhPs

kathaksung

07-15-2010, 07:08 PM

Quote, "Army War College Prof. Says Military Brass Knows Mossad Behind 911

Army War College Prof. Says Military Brass Knows Mossad Behind 911, Pins Hopes on U.S. Vet Organizations

by James_Madison_Lives , 04/15/2010 Daily Paul Liberty Forum

Army War College Prof. Alan Sabrosky presents convincing evidence that CIA-Mossad carried-out 911. This echoes what the formerly Italian President and head of Italian Counter-Intelligence Francesco Cossiga said in 2007: that it is widely known among all the European intelligence community that CIA-Mossad carried-out 911.9-11 SOLVED118 (http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/9-11_solved118.html)

Army War College Prof. Says Military Brass Knows Mossad Behind 911 (http://www.bushstole04.com/911/sabrofsky_mossad_911.htm)

rudy2010

07-15-2010, 08:26 PM

First of all I have not seen Loose Change and don't know what it is.

The biggest unexplained issues from 911 seem to come from the pentagon.

How can all the metal from the plane be burned to the point where it dissapears yet all the bodies are recovered.

The hole in the pentagon did not fit the airplane that supposedly hit it.

Several professional people at the pentagon testified that they smelled conventional bomb explosives after the explosion of "jet fuel".

The only piece of the airplane recovered at the pentagon was not from the type of airplane that supposedly hit the building.

Regarding the WTC's and the other building that fell a few days later.

Why did they fall like a demolition from top to bottom and not topple.

I don't want to believe the "we did it ourselves" folks but that conclusion is impossible to eliminate at this time.

kathaksung

08-06-2010, 06:45 PM

No aircraft parts found in the field.

Quote, "Aircraft Parts and the Precautionary Principle

Impossible to Prove a Falsehood True:
Aircraft Parts as a Clue to their Identity
by George Nelson
Colonel, USAF (ret.)

United Airlines Flight 93

This flight was reported by the federal government to be a Boeing 757 aircraft, registration number N591UA, carrying 45 persons, including four Arab hijackers who had taken control of the aircraft, crashing the plane in a Pennsylvania farm field.
Aerial photos of the alleged crash site were made available to the general public. They show a significant hole in the ground, but private investigators were not allowed to come anywhere near the crash site. If an aircraft crash caused the hole in the ground, there would have literally hundreds of serially-controlled time-change parts within the hole that would have proved beyond any shadow of doubt the precise tail-number or identity of the aircraft. However, the government has not produced any hard evidence that would prove beyond a doubt that the specifically alleged aircraft crashed at that site. On the contrary, it has been reported that the aircraft, registry number N591UA, is still in operation.

American Airlines Flight 11

This flight was reported by the government to be a Boeing 767, registration number N334AA, carrying 92 people, including five Arabs who had hijacked the plane. This plane was reported to have crashed into the north tower of the WTC complex of buildings.
Again, the government would have no trouble proving its case if only a few of the hundreds of serially controlled parts had been collected to positively identify the aircraft. A Boeing 767 landing gear or just one engine would have been easy to find and identify.

United Airlines Flight 175

This flight was reported to be a Boeing 767, registration number N612UA, carrying 65 people, including the crew and five hijackers. It reportedly flew into the south tower of the WTC.

Once more, the government has yet to produce one serially controlled part from the crash site that would have dispelled any questions as to the identity of the specific airplane.

American Airlines Flight 77

This was reported to be a Boeing 757, registration number N644AA, carrying 64 people, including the flight crew and five hijackers. This aircraft, with a 125-foot wingspan, was reported to have crashed into the Pentagon, leaving an entry hole no more than 65 feet wide.

Following cool-down of the resulting fire, this crash site would have been very easy to collect enough time-change equipment within 15 minutes to positively identify the aircraft registry. There was apparently some aerospace type of equipment found at the site but no attempt was made to produce serial numbers or to identify the specific parts found. Some of the equipment removed from the building was actually hidden from public view.

Conclusion

The government alleges that four wide-body airliners crashed on the morning of September 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of more than 3,000 human beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four aircraft. On the contrary, it seems only that all potential evidence was deliberately kept hidden from public view. The hard evidence would have included hundreds of critical time-change aircraft items, plus security videotapes that were confiscated by the FBI immediately following each tragic episode.

With all the evidence readily available at the Pentagon crash site, any unbiased rational investigator could only conclude that a Boeing 757 did not fly into the Pentagon as alleged. Similarly, with all the evidence available at the Pennsylvania crash site, it was most doubtful that a passenger airliner caused the obvious hole in the ground and certainly not the Boeing 757 as alleged. Regarding the planes that allegedly flew into the WTC towers, it is only just possible that heavy aircraft were involved in each incident, but no evidence has been produced that would add credence to the governmentâ??s theoretical version of what actually caused the total destruction of the buildings, let alone proving the identity of the aircraft. That is the problem with the governmentâ??s 911 story. It is time to apply the precautionary principle.

As painful and heartbreaking as was the loss of innocent lives and the lingering health problems of thousands more, a most troublesome and nightmarish probability remains that so many Americans appear to be involved in the most heinous conspiracy in our countryâ??s history.

Physics911, by Scientific Panel Investigating Nine-Eleven, 9/11/2001 (http://www.physics911.net/georgenelson)

Xyz505

08-22-2010, 06:52 AM

dam this is fake u guys just paranoid

kathaksung

08-27-2010, 06:50 PM

Flight 93 on 911, no Boeing 757 crashed near Shanksville!

Flight 93 on 911... no major plane crashed near Shanksville! (http://engforum.pravda.ru/showthread.php?256782-Flight-93-on-911...-no-major-plane-crashed-near-Shanksville!&p=3161493&posted=1#post3161493)

rudy2010

09-15-2010, 07:10 PM

I just remembered. It was cordite that people at the pentagon said they smelled. These were explosives experts who know the difference between jet fuel and cordite.

kathaksung

09-24-2010, 06:36 PM

320 current & retired U.S. military officers want new investigation of 911!

U.S. Military Officers for 9/11 Truth (http://www.mo911truth.org/#JBarlow)

kathaksung

10-12-2010, 10:02 PM

"Seven is Exploding"

http://www.911hoax.com/domaincloak.asp?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2 Fwatch%3Fv%3D58h0LjdMry0

rudy2010

10-22-2010, 05:36 PM

Hopefully a body of evidence that cannot be swept under the carpet will cause a new independent investigation. How about a multinational team of our supporters and non supporters.

kathaksung

10-29-2010, 08:18 PM

Danish chemist giving an interview on that he and a group of scientists found nano-thermite (!) in dust from WTC 911.

YouTube - Niels Harrit, fra KÃ?Â¸benhavn universitet taler om nano-sprÃ?Â¦ngstof i stÃ?Â¸vet fra WTC pÃ?Â¥ TV2 News. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXYF5i_Slj8)

killerweed420

10-30-2010, 12:02 AM

Hopefully a body of evidence that cannot be swept under the carpet will cause a new independent investigation. How about a multinational team of our supporters and non supporters.
You don't have to look any further than the Warren Commission to see what out government is capable of. Sealed for 50 years, why?
Americans need to wake up to the fact that a lot of pertinent information is with held from them for supposedly national security reasons. There is no such thing. There is absolutely NOTHING that should be kept from the American people, we all have a right to know.

rudy2010

11-04-2010, 05:10 PM

Agreed. Lets not keep JFK, Martin Luther King and 911 in the closet. Lets see the details of those investigations. Including those who have been hushed up like the New Orleans DA that pursued the JFK case. Bring out the folks in the pentagon who insisted they smelled cordite and lets see what their conclusions are.

The family of MLK does not believe that James Earl Ray assasinated MLK and have been calling for a new investigation. There is not really a need to investigate. Rather just gather the info that exists somewhere. Some taxi driver named Raul claims he shot MLK. There were two army A teams in Memphis on the day MLK was shot and the implications lead back to the LBJ whitehouse.

Lets see more exposure on this and other hidden issues.

420izzle

11-09-2010, 02:48 AM

Lets see more exposure on this and other hidden issues.

Agree! So join your local WAC (We Are Change) chapter or some freedom-loving group and be the change you want to see in the world!

rudy2010

11-11-2010, 06:43 PM

Most importantly - Challenge Authority!!

kathaksung

11-16-2010, 12:31 AM

The sad thing is this is a covert totalitarian country. The murderer is the investigator. How could you have the truth? Unless there is a thorough reform of the Feds, you have to remain as a tame sheep.

The evidence was given two months ago by the professinals. Yet no media report it.

Evidence Refutes the Official 9/11 Investigation: The Scientific Forensic Facts

by Richard Gage and Gregg Roberts
Global Research, October 13, 2010
Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth - 2010-10-04

AE911Truth Delivers the Evidence to the Media: Press Conference - National Press Club â?? Washington DC

Ed. â?? This is the actual 10-minute statement read by Richard Gage, AIA, to the media at the AE911Truth press conference at the National Press Club in Washington DC on September 9, 2010.
Good afternoon, my name is Richard Gage, AIA. Iâ??m a member of the American Institute of Architects; Iâ??ve been a licensed architect for 22 years; And Iâ??m the founder of the non-profit organization, Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth (AE911Truth).

As a group, we now have more than 1,270 architect and engineer petition signers. Collectively, we have more than 25,000 years of building and technical experience. This press conference is being given by our petition signers and supporters today in 65 [it turned out to be 67] locations around the world, including 30 states and 4 countries.

Today, weâ??re here to inform you that we have uncovered evidence that the official investigations into what happened to the World Trade Center skyscrapers on 9/11 were deeply flawed, or worse. The scientific forensic facts we have discovered have very troubling implications.

For example, a technologically advanced, highly energetic material has been discovered in World Trade Center dust from the 9/11 catastrophe.

This follows the discovery, by the United States Geological Survey and others, of high concentrations of unusual previously molten iron-rich microspheres in the WTC dust. These microspheres can only have been formed during the destruction of the World Trade Center at temperatures far higher than can be explained by the jet fuel and office fires. Those fires, we are told by engineers employed by NIST, the National Institute of Standards and Technology, were allegedly the cause of the World Trade Centerâ??s destruction. The discovery of this advanced energetic material, in the form of red/gray chips distributed throughout the dust, both explains the iron-rich microspheres and confirms the inadequacy of the official account of what happened that tragic day.

Even before the microspheres and red/gray chips had been identified and brought to our attention, we were deeply concerned about other aspects of the destruction of these iconic buildings, and how they were investigated. More than two dozen firefighters, engineers, and other witnesses reported seeing substantial quantities of molten iron or steel, flowing like lava in the debris under all three World Trade Center high-rises. Office fires and jet fuel cannot possibly reach the temperatures necessary to liquefy iron or steel. A mixture called thermite, consisting of pulverized iron oxide and aluminum, CAN generate temperatures above 4000Â°F -- far more than is needed to melt iron or steel, which melts at about 2750Â°F.

The energetic material that was found in the WTC dust by an international team of scientists (led by Niels Harrit of the University of Copenhagen in Denmark) was reported in the peer-reviewed Bentham Open Journal of Chemical Physics. It consists of nano-engineered iron oxide and aluminum particles 1000th the size of a human hair, embedded in another substance consisting of carbon, oxygen, and silicon. The sizes of the iron oxide particles are extremely uniform, and neither they nor the ultra-fine-grain aluminum platelets could possibly have been created by a natural process such as a gravitational collapse or the impact of jetliners. The red/gray chips in which these particles were found exhibit the same characteristics as advanced energetic materials developed in US national laboratories in the years leading up to 9/11. They have no reason to be in this dust. Given all the horrific costs in human lives, lost civil liberties, and trillions of tax dollars spent in response to the official account of 9/11, there can be no more urgent need than for our country and the world to find out who put those materials in the World Trade Center â?? and why.
.....

Evidence Refutes the Official 9/11 Investigation: The Scientific Forensic Facts (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=21436)

kathaksung

12-04-2010, 11:11 PM

Geraldo finally concedes that 911 truthers may be right.

YouTube - Geraldo Rivera On 911 Truthers - "The Most Obnoxious Protesters In Recent Years Are Right!!

YouTube - Geraldo Rivera On 911 Truthers - "The Most Obnoxious Protesters In Recent Years Are Right!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uT0ZViblJeY)

rudy2010

12-07-2010, 05:09 PM

We just need to get this information on the Daly Show. Then people might start to believe it. It may just take a fake news show making fun of the so called facts for folks to realize what happened.

I have not heard any given explanation for the fact that folks at the pentagon smelled cordite after the jet fuel explosion. The "official" pictures of the "jet liner" running into the pentagon just look like a cruise missle like some people claim it was. On the other hand if the jet did not crash into the pentagon where did it go and what happened to it.

If the fire is hot enough to burn the metal from the jet liner into vapors so none of it could be recovered it would have to have burned all the bodies to ashes. Yet all the bodies were recovered. I don't think they have even submitted a cover story to try to confuse this issue. Somebody or anybody explain how fire can be so hot it vaporizes the metal but doesn't burn a single human body.

Then explain the nano-engineered iron oxide and aluminum particles 1000th the size of a human hair too.

Trip06

12-16-2010, 04:43 AM

dam this is fake u guys just paranoid

You can try to tell that to the 1,000's of members of the Clean up crew that Testify and have video evidence of the liquid pools of MOLTEN metal still burning 27 days after the collapse under the reckage....DO you under stand what that means? Jet fuel dosnt burn hot enouf to Weaken Steel to a point of collapse. The Original fire of the Planes went out so fast that there are ORIGINAL pictures of PEOPLE standing in the crash hole before the tower went down. All the floors went suddenly cut and the building goes down at free fall speed. So what the fuel pumped it self to every floor of the building and lit itself at the same time and all the floors just magicly broke at the same time....ONLY A FUCKING MORON would beleave the government Story. No PLANE HIT BUILDING 7????

andruejaysin

12-17-2010, 12:08 AM

bluntar

12-17-2010, 02:35 AM

911 Eyewitness - Help find the Truth! (http://www.911eyewitness.com/)
This guys voice is freakin awsome.

rudy2010

12-17-2010, 11:05 PM

andruejaysin

12-18-2010, 03:31 PM

andruejaysin many people are asking the same questions and they are legitimate as well.

My problem is with the improbability of the metalic portions of a plane burning, including the engines, but not the bodies inside. This is apparently the case with the plane that hit the Pentagon. You can correct me if I am wrong but I believe the story is that the plane that hit the Pentagon burned so thoroughly that no parts were recovered yet all the bodies in the plane were recovered. Do you have any explanation. Are my facts wrong? Do human bodies burn at a much higher temperature than metal? If you have any possible explanation for this please put it out here.

Maybe you or anyone else can explain the physics of how this is plausible or if my facts on the plane that hit the Pentagon are wrong.Most metals don't burn at all at any practical temperature. Bodies don't burn terribly well either. Both do however tend to get smashed into very small pieces when they strike concrete at several hundred miles per hour. To say none of the plane was recovered is simply conspiracy theory nonsense. The bodies recovered in anything other than fragments were people who were in the buildings, not the planes. None of this mean the US government didn't exploit the situation to invade Iraq as they had long wanted to do anyway. But if they had planned the attacks they would have framed them directly and not Bin Laden.

rudy2010

12-20-2010, 06:19 PM

To say none of the plane was recovered is simply conspiracy theory nonsense.

Thanks for the reasonable discussion. I will be happy to be proved wrong on this issue. However I followed some links on this issue from columnists in the main stream media and they pointed to some information that begs for further explanation at the very least.

One of the articles was about the plane that "hit the Pentagon". The experts in the article were told that no pieces of the jet survived the crash except a piece of one engine that was on the ground in front of the wreck. The official word was that all the metal of the plane "burned" and could not be recovered. However the bodies of all the passengers on the plane were recovered. The article also stated that several CIA personell interviewed after the crash indicated that they smelled the distinct smell of the explosive cordite.

It is fine to say the conspiracy theory is nonsense and this was my first opinion as well. Since I read the information available in the main stream media I have a number of questions that no one seems to be able to provide a reasonable explanation of.

Point me to some information not presented directly by the government that refutes this information. Show me the article that says I am wrong. In the mean time I have strong doubts.

There is no logical explanation to say why we would launch a missle. There are a few justifications but that is all theory. How did the actual plane just dissapear if a missle did strike the Pentagon. All this would require the cooperation of numerous agencies and many people and would be almost impossible to conceal. So I am realistic about that. There remains the problems with the Pentagon to be explained and now the nano particles. I am waiting for any reasonable explanation.

:smokin:

kathaksung

12-23-2010, 06:38 PM

Who Destroyed the 9/11 Evidence? .
Monday, 29 November 2010 11:13 Christopher Bollyn .

An organization called the NYC Coalition for Accountability Now (NYC CAN) is calling for the public to demand that the district attorney of New York County investigate and prosecute those responsible for the destruction of the evidence from the crime scene. This is from their open letter/petition of June 23, 2010 to the district attorney's office:

Cy Vance, Jr. District Attorney of New York County
Thomas Wornom, Bureau Chief, Special Prosecutions Bureau

Dear Sirs:

Over the last three weeks you have been informed about the overwhelming evidence that World Trade Center Building 7 was demolished with explosives. I trust that you understand the serious implications of this crime and that you are resolved to prosecute the guilty parties. To provide a critical steppingstone in your investigation, I would like to bring to your attention the widely documented Â¨C and widely protested Â¨C destruction of physical evidence (structural steel) at the crime scene, which I contend is prosecutable pursuant to Article 205 of the New York Penal Code, Â¡Ã¬ 205.50 Hindering Prosecution.

In the meantime, I recommend visiting the website of NYC CAN to understand the basis of their appeal for justice and the extent of the criminal destruction of evidence from the World Trade Center:

NYC Coalition For Accountability Now - Join (http://www.nyccan.org/join.php)

http://www.rebelnews.org/opinion/ter...e-911-evidence

Trip06

12-29-2010, 05:21 AM

Why do none of you ever stop and think that the things you say don't make sense?

Millions of people saw the planes hit the towers with their own eyes, billions on live TV, soooooo...

Why demolish the buildings after the planes hit them? Do you REALLY think the US wouldn't have gone to war if the buildings had not collapsed?

Why hit the pentagon with a missile? If they can get planes to hit the WTC why couldn't the make one hit the pentagon?

If a plane didn't hit the pentagon what happened to that plane? Why hijack it at all if you're going to launch a missile at the target?

And a few million others.

Do you think That we woulda went to war in 2 countries over maybe ~100 Us citizens deaths and just a few holes in a building. Comparied to 3,000 and 3 buildings coming down, multiple planes being hijacked, the pentagon being hit, and all that other shit....Yeah......I doubt it. your millions of other questions are FAIL.....compared to Floors FALLING AT FREE FALL SPEED. All three buildings came down As If all the floors were cut simutaniously. NO PLANE HIT WORLD TRADE CENTER BUILDING 7. Explain that.

rudy2010

01-24-2011, 07:58 PM

This guy has another good point. Supposedly the towers collapsed because the metal suddenly reached a temp where it all collapsed. It is still unerving that the towers went down like a demolition but that is just what I saw with my own eyes. There is a big problem explaining how bldg 7 went down with the same clean demolition type collapse but had no fire burning to explain how this was possible. Just another troubling aspect of the governments official explanation.

BUDEZZ

01-24-2011, 08:21 PM

Ask ya self this ?? would get 3 terrorist's in the same day flying plane's, and there was a possible 4th!! i dout it very much !! apparantly there was a forth circling a few miles away ?? so four terrorists flying planes in the same day !!!! hmmmmm!!

Trip06

01-27-2011, 06:16 PM

The Missle That HIT the Pentagon is ALL IT WAS...Even the one dude slipped up and said missle on National TV....IT is 100% FACT that The the speed and level of the MISSLE would be Impossible Even For Proffessional Airforce pilots to Be able to make that sort of Attack...Just another Lie in the HUGE pile of imposibilities that happened that day....

The Pentagon lawn was returfed with in hours of the "impact" and All the Pentagon Camera footage that seen what It was is Classified. But yet a week later (On the Returfed Lawn) That had no plane parts what so ever before it was returfed....They some how found the Passport of the hijacker...

that is 1000% Percent Circus DUNG.

andruejaysin

01-30-2011, 11:56 PM

Do you think That we woulda went to war in 2 countries over maybe ~100 Us citizens deaths and just a few holes in a building. Comparied to 3,000 and 3 buildings coming down, multiple planes being hijacked, the pentagon being hit, and all that other shit....Yeah......I doubt it. your millions of other questions are FAIL.....compared to Floors FALLING AT FREE FALL SPEED. All three buildings came down As If all the floors were cut simutaniously. NO PLANE HIT WORLD TRADE CENTER BUILDING 7. Explain that.A hundred deaths? Where does that number come from? Answer-You made it up because it suits your ideas. I was shocked that only 3000 people died. It's not just the people in the floors that were hit, it's everyone above. Most of those killed (except for the firefighters) were above the impact points. They were dead whether the buildings fell or not. Better killed in the collapse than burned alive when they couldn't climb any further. Watch where the collapse starts. Right where you would expect, at the point of impact. When you demolish building it starts at the bottom. So either someone set them in the midst of a raging fire or they were already there just hoping 1-The planes hit the right floor. And.. 2-No one notices the hundreds or thousand of pounds of explosives being set in their office. Why did building seven fall? Who knows? Maybe a contractor used cheap, sub-standard materials. You do who controlled the construction business in NY when they were built, right?

Skihigh

02-01-2011, 10:55 PM

I don't believe that the lives of three thousand Americans (with a few foreigners thrown in the picture) would make a single, small little bitty SHIT to the U.S. gubmint...They've already wasted the lives of more good Americans fuckin' around over in Iraq than the whole fuckin' bunch of greedy lying assholes is worth.
I'm just a regular old Joe that's a woodworker by trade. I have a pretty fair sense of size and space and I still can't see how you could fit a 757 into that little hole in the side of the Pentagon.
Is the U.S. Gubmint coverin' something up???...Shit I say!! It's what the crooked no conscious whores do for their billions!!!
Now, toke up and be happy:jointsmile:

Trip06

02-03-2011, 02:39 PM

A hundred deaths? Where does that number come from? Answer-You made it up because it suits your ideas. I was shocked that only 3000 people died. It's not just the people in the floors that were hit, it's everyone above. Most of those killed (except for the firefighters) were above the impact points. They were dead whether the buildings fell or not. Better killed in the collapse than burned alive when they couldn't climb any further. Watch where the collapse starts. Right where you would expect, at the point of impact. When you demolish building it starts at the bottom. So either someone set them in the midst of a raging fire or they were already there just hoping 1-The planes hit the right floor. And.. 2-No one notices the hundreds or thousand of pounds of explosives being set in their office. Why did building seven fall? Who knows? Maybe a contractor used cheap, sub-standard materials. You do who controlled the construction business in NY when they were built, right?

Actually theres Testimony From Dozens and Dozens of First Responders who EXPEIRENCED EXPLOSIONS ON THE GROUND LEVEL INSIDE THE LOBBY AND ELEVADOR AREA...Not tomention the 100's of people who heard chain reaction explosions inside the towers, You can clearly see liquid metal pooring out several holes.....Explosions blowing out 30 floors below the hit point, Also the Fact that NANOTHERMITE has been tested for and Found in the Dust.. And that LIQUID POOLS OF METAL WERE STILL BURNING UNDER THE SITE FOR 27 DAYS..DO YOU UNDER STAND PHYSICAL SCIENCE?..Also If you Knew anything about these building is that THEY WERE BUILT TO WITH STAND MULTIPLE PLANE CRASHES.....And Even If the Cement gave out and crumbled...The Steel Structure Dosnt Crumble into dust...It remains In tact Straight Up In the SKY....NEVER in the HISTORY OF THE WORLD has any sky scraper Fell like this...Much less three at one time...And the First TWO towers fell JUST LIKE A DEMO, Only its somewhat concealed by the crumbling debree....Its made to look like a plane crash But Just laughable at how Obvious its assisted by explosives...So All that Jet fuel In those small tanks some how flowed to all the impossible odds and ends of that tower and Burned simutaneously to Make all the steel collapse at one time LOL...At FREE FALL SPEED....LMFAO...FREEFALL SPEED....THATS THE DEAD 100% CERTIFIED EXPLANATION RIGHT THERE....You are a FUCKING MORON if you dont under stand that...

rudy2010

02-07-2011, 07:12 PM

Now the building fell because of "cheap substandard materials".:wtf: Come on I thought we were looking for a believable explanation. That explanation hardly cuts it. No one has explained or offered to explain why several experts at the Pentagon smelled cordite (used in explosives) after the explosion that should have just smelled like jet fuel.

Trip06 and andruejaysin looks like there is some good varifiable infomation out there regarding 9/11. Lets continue to present this good information as part of a reasonable discussion.

I am truly concerned about the unanswered questions about 9/11. The information I read from main stream media sources just leads to more questions for which reasonable answers have not been provided.

Do you really believe substandard materials led to the collapse of bldg7? I don't believe that even you really believe that is a reasonable explanation.

Just try to keep the responses here reasonable and courteous. This is a serious issue and all questions about this issue should be reasonably answered. Not just government proclamations.

andruejaysin

02-21-2011, 01:24 AM

Actually theres Testimony From Dozens and Dozens of First Responders who EXPEIRENCED EXPLOSIONS ON THE GROUND LEVEL INSIDE THE LOBBY AND ELEVADOR AREA.. ...You are a FUCKING MORON if you dont under stand that...So in ten years of sitting at a computer obsessively watching the building collapse you never noticed it doesn't collapse from the first floor? You need a new hobby, you just aren't very good at this.

rudy2010

02-22-2011, 09:38 PM

Lets stick to the facts on this thread as much as possible. I know that this is a very emotional issue for a number of people. Just post what you have seen or read or whatever you believe. Please leave the insults out so we can continue to carry on in a reasonable manner.

I would really like to see some plausible explanations for the demolition like manner in which the 3 buildings fell, the absence of any plane parts in the Pentagon and why bomb experts testified they smelled cordite.

katsung47

03-23-2011, 09:09 PM

Most people don't believe official story of 911
Quote, â??
Poll in Germany: 89.5 doubt official version of 9/11
Submitted by coop on Fri, 01/21/2011 - 8:03am
â?¢ 9/11 Opinion Poll

A recent poll in the german magazine "Welt der Wunder" conducted by the well known Emnid Institute results in astonishing 89% of the german respondents not believing the official line 9/11. The magazine in 2010 already published the story of NATOs "secret nuclear war", where the consequences of the widespread use of depleted uranium ammunitions were explained.

war-is-illegal.org - Emnid Umfrage: Sagt die US-Regierung die ganze Wahrheit Ã¼ber die AnschlÃ¤ge des 11. September? (http://war-is-illegal.livejournal.com/117639.html)

Islandborn

03-24-2011, 07:28 PM

'Loose Change'.......seriously? Lol. Made by a couple college kids in their mommys basement. Read Popular Mechanics.....ya know....with Engineers and scientists and PHDs oh my. And where are the thousands upon thousands who would have had to coordinate this plot in secret...in multiple leak filled govts? Not one person wants to get paid???? Get real.

Secondly, who in America gives a damn what the average German citizen thinks about 9/11? They were pretending they had no clue what happened at the concentration camps in their backyards 60 years ago too. Very bright and advanced that they are....chuckle.

rudy2010

03-25-2011, 05:29 PM

I never saw "Loose Change". I just read articles and interviews of people who were present and know what I saw with my own eyes that morning. I am looking for reasonable information to explain some serious issues for which no reasonable explanation has been given. Mostly from the Pentagon and the building that was not hit or burning that collapsed. I have only heard of the nanothermite in this thread.

How could the plane that hit the Pentagon burn completely but the bodies in the plane were not burned and all were recovered. Still none of the parts of the plane were recovered except one piece that was laying on the ground in front of the building because all the rest of metal in the plane burned completely. Why did several of the experts interviewed at the Pentagon say they smelled the explosive cordite after the collision instead of jet fuel.

I watched that morning as one of the towers collapsed and commented at the time that it went down just like a demolition. There are now a lot of people wondering about this very thing. I have only heard experts saying the buildings should have toppled and not fallen like a demolition. Why did the building that was not hit collapse like a demolition days later though there was no fire.

I would like to be proven wrong and believe there was no conspiracy but there has not been any specific information presented to answer a number of troubling questions I and others have.

You have dismissed this issue without providing and substantial info.

katsung47

04-10-2011, 07:14 PM

Black 9/11: A Walk on the Dark Side
By wmw_admin on February 9, 2011

First in a series â?? by Mark H. Gaffney February 9, 2011
Black 9/11: A Walk on the Dark Side (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=19712)

Trip06

04-20-2011, 09:19 PM

"with Engineers and scientists and PHDs oh my."

um archetects and ENGINEERS for 9/11 truth...is FAR bigger than your popular mechanics...LULZ...

And Demolitions arent subject to only being detinated a certain way....they can be blown how every you want them to be...If you clearly watch building 1 and 2 Yes the top starts to crumble..but then keep watching...The rest of the building all of it at one time just suddenly drops...The top dosnt just fall off on to the street...It dosnt cause a chain reaction collapse where it slowly crumbles...no the top starts and as soon as the debri is coming down to cover up most of the rest...the whole thing even the bottom ALL at the same time just gives away///// LULZ

Oh and how about the FACT thats come out that the phone call that came from the plane...the guys wife that called him from the plane saying "there were muslims on board with box cutters" yadda yadda has come out on RECORD to show the call was 0 seconds long. How about the fact that Norad was ordered to stand down, How about the fact they were running exact same drills of the same thing the same day...and Norad gets confused? How about the fact that the day before Donald rumpsfeld gave a speech about how the Pentagon lost a trillion dollars somehow and they cant account for it....and then the missle that hit the pentagon Magicly took out the spot were the evidence for the missing money was LOL...How about the fact that over the course of bushes presidency we went from WE KNOW Sadam has wmd's to We thought he did LOL...wait What did Iraq have to do with any of this LULZ...Or how about the day before the towers came down There was a massive insurance policy tooken out on them by the owner lol...Seasoned Navy pilots whistle blowing that THEY couldnt even manuver a plane to hit the pentagon.. On and on and on... Why was building 7 never in the Investigation...Why is Donald Rumpsfeld telling people at meetings he hasnt even seen proof of it coming down...LOL < no seriously theres videos online of him saying this.. My spelling is not so good its the Internet.

Purple Daddy

04-20-2011, 09:49 PM

I guess the hundreds of people who saw a passenger jet fly directly over their heads and crash into the pentagon were mistaken? Remember it flew directly over a freeway packed with morning commuters, there is no mistaking a passenger jet for a missle.

The Jews staged the whole thing? Oh man, it's getting REALLY deep....

I guess those phone calls from United 93 were all fabricated as well? You know the ones where people called family explaining exactly what was going on? How does loose change explain that?

Dean Witter managed security for the WTC, their chief of security was brought in after the first bombing attempt and predicted the next attack would probably come from the sky. NOTHING went on inside those buildings without his knowledge, NOTHING, no liquid explosives were planted on his watch. He died helping rescue people and a very well done documentary was done on his life not long after 9/11 and all these retarded conspiracy theories began to float about. Remember this was done shortly after 9/11 and is absolute proof to me that there was no conspiracy, give me a damn break.

KarolinaKronic

04-21-2011, 06:15 AM

There has never been a single recorded call to 911 or any other source that would verify what went on in the plane. But Bush managed to make people believe that a pregnant, bloned-haired, blued-eyed widows husband said "Let's Roll". The same way they were calling for Jessica Lynch to get the freakin CMH for being in a car wreck. It was done for public support, nothing else. If these calls had been real, they would have released the tapes and created a media firestorm. I am not saying that there as a conspiracy, but there was damn sure a lot of lying and manipulation of the public going on. They wanted that pipeline run through Afghanistan badly and the timing seems to be very poor.

Purple Daddy

04-21-2011, 10:21 AM

There has never been a single recorded call to 911 or any other source that would verify what went on in the plane>>>>

What a load of crap, one of those calls was placed to No. Calif. by a passenger to a family member who said out of her own damn mouth she had a phone call with her son who was on that flight. It was all over the local news. I suppose Bush got to her and forced her to cry and lie about that huh? What tapes? Who in the hell tapes frantic phone calls from a family member who may have a few seconds to talk? WTF are you talking about? More then one call was placed by more then one passenger who at this time realized what was happening because FAMILY members were watching it unfold on LIVE freaking TV! What happened in PA is exactly what they stated happened. Do you keep a tape recorder by your phone for use in a split second?

"loose change" was exposed as a lie and has since "updated" itself twice to try to explain total speculation and lack of any fact whatsoever. DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE A PLANE WAS LANDED IN CLEVELAND, ALL PASSENGERS WERE DEBOARDED AND KILLED? Do you have any clue the logistics involved in pulling off a cover up of this scale? You're talking from the CEO's of AA and United down to the secuity screeners at Logan International(bwt, a lady friend knows one screener who let a hijacker through personally).

Demolition experts have proven there is no possible way those towers could have been a planned demolition because the quantity of explosives and wiring alone would take weeks and would be impossible to hide. The elevator shafts were filled with liquid explosives? HOW? They were IN USE at the time of the attack. You really think they brought in enough liquid explosives to load the elevator shafts without anyone knowing?

There were no Jews on any of those flights or in either of those buildings? DO PEOPLE REALLY BELIEVE THIS??? Has all reason simply been shoved out the door? The JEWS did this? I can't even believe what I'm reading, unfreakingbelievable. It doesn't matter how much you believe in a lie it doesn't make it true.

We have documented proof that the hijackers were practicing stalling mid air during training stimulations in where the instructors had to tell them to stop.

Bush had been President the better part of 8 months, do you REALLY think he could of pulled this off in that amount of time? OH wait, it was Cheney who'd been planning it since Bush 1 was beat by Clinton? <sigh>

Trip06

04-21-2011, 06:30 PM

Purple Daddy

04-22-2011, 02:21 AM

Secondary devices are on Record being found inside the Oklahoma Federal building that suposedly was only taken down by the truck bomb...

Explosives find themselves into places when they want to be...they think I think that its just bush or chenny lulz...like All of the worlds top military industrial corporations, contractors, oil profitteers, the Opium trade in afganistan, the vein of lithium in afganistan, All whove made Trillions upon trillions in profit from all of this... This is Far bigger than you could ever think...such simple little sheep you are..
>>>>>>

Well this sure explains it all! WOW, I'm impressed!

When you can't argue a position point by point just regurgitate the same speculation, 1/4 truths and assumption all the other conspiracy nuts do.

Timothy McVeigh is a government agent who took the fall for OKC? The reason for this would be?

Explosives don't "find" themselves anywhere, they are put in position deliberately by people.

Purple Daddy

04-22-2011, 02:35 AM

'Loose Change'.......seriously? Lol. Made by a couple college kids in their mommys basement. Read Popular Mechanics.....ya know....with Engineers and scientists and PHDs oh my. And where are the thousands upon thousands who would have had to coordinate this plot in secret...in multiple leak filled govts? Not one person wants to get paid???? Get real.>>>>>>

EXACTLY! Imagine how many people would have to be involved just to cover up the secret landing in Cleveland and the massacare of all the passengers? Practically an entire airport staff plus the assasin's then what about all the extended family members of those passengers? Did they get paid off or killed off?

rudy2010

04-23-2011, 04:53 PM

PD I never saw Loose Change or any of the other conspiracy films. The problem I have is with the CIA employees interviewed at the Pentagon after the building was hit. Several of the explosives experts interviewed by the mainstream media claimed that they smelled cordite (used in explosives) when they should have been smelling jet fuel. There is also the troubling problem of the entire plane burning so thoroughly that none of the plane was recovered except a small piece that landed outside and could not be identified as having coming from the plane that supposedly crashed. Yet all the bodies in the plane were recovered. I am just waiting for someone to come up with a viable explanation. Do human bodies burn at a higher temperature than all the metal used in the plane or what.

The other problem is the collapse of the third building that was not hit by any airliner. It also collapsed like a planned demolition but no explanation for that has been given. I agree that a conspiracy of this scale would be ridiculously hard to cover but where are the logical explanations.

When you can't argue a position point by point just regurgitate the same speculation, 1/4 truths and assumption all the other conspiracy nuts do. The same holds true for you. It looks like you don't believe this is possible. Why don't you present some actual information that backs up your statement. Maybe the research will make you question your position like it did mine. I would like to see you or anyone come up with some solid information to explain the unburned bodies, the presence of cordite or why the third building collapsed at all and why it went down like a demolition as well.

As far as the nanothermite and liquid molten metal I have not even read up on that. What I HAVE found though just leads to more questions for which there don't seem to be any satisfactory answers provided. Until these questions are reasonably answered the presence of a conspiracy cannot be eliminated.

Trip06

05-04-2011, 03:05 PM

Any losers in their moms basement can make a video about real shit. That dosn't make the facts false.

Trip06

05-04-2011, 06:08 PM

Makeing personal attacks on the Creaters of the material instead of the Material presented is really tacky, and an unprofessional diversion tactic at best. Throwing things out there like "troothers meet your leaders" is really imature. For starters Im just gonna go out on a limb here and guess IDK that 9/11 truth is FAR bigger than Those in with the loose change crowd LOL. I would also like to add that a percentage of collage kids do live at home to save on tuition costs. I think its a great thing that Our youth are doing something for this country. Please stick to the FACTS Presented in the material. Examples> The manuvers preformed by several planes were Imposible to manuver by Profession pilots at the rates of speed they were going. Buildings falling at Free fall speed. Liquid pools of molten metal still burning 27 days later after the collapse. Prior warning. Norad Stand down order by Dick Chenney, Simulated drill Operation North woods being conducted on the same day at the same time. Day before Insurance policy was taken out on the towers. Donald Rumpsfeld held a Confrence The day prior Saying they lost 1 trillion dollars through the system-coincidently the evidence was taken out by the pentagon attack. Building 7 came down in its own foot print Like the two other towers and was not struck by a plane. alquida is a USA Proven CIA Created group to fight off the Russians during their invasion of afganistan.

Esoteric416

05-15-2011, 09:27 PM

I'm thinking now, after reading and seeing a whole bunch of different opinions, that whatever the truth behind 9/11, the confusion surrounding those events was and is a part of the plan.

People talk about the idea that 9/11 would have to have involved so many people that you could never keep it a secret. I wonder if there aren't people in this country who question their own involvement in those events. Because the idea that there would need to be thousands involved is true, actually understated I think. It's possible that there would need to be so many people involved from such varying fields that many of those directly involved have no idea to this day that they played a part, however small. And if it's true that the whole op was an inside job, there must be those who realized after the fact that some random task or job they performed may very well have contributed in it's own way. Can those people come forward with what they might know? What if their knowledge led to the realization that this was an inside job? Would they be treated well by a populace who knows them only for being complicate in the deaths of thousands of Americans? I would think someone in this position would be scared to come forward.

I don't claim to have any answers, this is just the kind of thing I think about. I have all the same questions.

Purple Daddy

05-15-2011, 11:23 PM

I guess this is why we'll never see any proof Bin Laden was killed. He's probably kicking it on an island sipping margaritas while having his feet washed by the hair of 12 virgins.

CanGroIt

05-16-2011, 12:19 AM

"It's possible that there would need to be so many people involved from such varying fields that many of those directly involved have no idea to this day that they played a part, however small..... "

Very true....

Two things make me suspicious as to the actual conspirators behind this whole spectacle....

1 - The time of the attacks - Terrorists want to cause as much destruction, mayhem and death as possible in each attack. If this were true, why hit the towers at 9am instead of 1pm? If terrorists actually did plot this attack, wouldn't they have had the intelligence to know that the buildings would have had thousands more people in them at mid-day as opposed to early morning? I'm not a terrorist but I am a trained combat veteran and one thing I know for sure is that when you go after your enemy, you hit them hard and without mercy..... 9am just seemed merciful.... Which is why I don't think terrorists plotted this attack....

2 - Witness Suicides - I have a very hard time believing that most, if not all, of the people who came forward publicly about testifying to their experience the morning of, would commit suicide.... Hello, the CIA wrote a book back in the 50's about how to commit a murder and make it look like a suicide. I believe it was an assassination manual.... I mean, how easy would it be for the CIA to covertly go after an unguarded target??? Very easy....

Just my take on it....

CGI::::::

Trip06

05-19-2011, 03:00 PM

thats a great question, so many people would have to be in on it...Well Governments operate in compartamentalizeation..<not spelled correctly lol. Im sure the combat vets here can back me up. Thats how Operations are done, to maintain complete Opsec. havine it done at 9:00am in the morning as apposed to 1:00pm...<Well it seems to me that it would be better cause everyones busy going to work, there still tired, not really paying attention(wont remember as easily) George bush gets to have his little "On stage act" at the book reading to those school kids...and act surprised for the cameras(I mean come on go and back and watch that video and Dont say you arent laughing when you watch his act, lol)

Purple Daddy

05-20-2011, 02:46 PM

FWIW my neighbors brother in law picked up George Bush from AF1 as soon as it landed in DC that morning and if you people really think our government was in on this then please send me the seeds from what you're smoking! The terrorists had to coordinate four flights that took off at about the same time with long distance routes so they would be full of fuel, logistics probably paid a larger role in which flights were selected then the time of day.

A conspiracy would have involved a hell of a lot more people then just government employees, the entire staff at the Cleveland airport would have had to be in on it as well as the CEO's of United and AA, the cell phone companies would have had to have fabricated those calls made from United 93 as well as fabricated the interview with family members who spoke with those passengers. The head of security at the WTC would have had to been involved to pull this conspiracy off and he died RESCUING people from the towers. Lets not forget the 100's if not 1,000's of people on the freeway in DC who saw a PASSENGER JET fly directly overhead, not a MISSLE, a TV reporter reported he saw a passenger jet with the AA logo which is impossible to confuse with a missle. I've had wood pile fires burn the smolder for DAYS. Elevator shafts filled with liquid explosives? Ok, except for they would have had to take the elevators out of service while they were filling the shafts, plus they would have needed a way to get this massive amount of liquid into the building and begin filling the shafts without anyone knowing. The elevators were not out of service at the time of the attack! Buildings were wired with explosives you say? Again, impossible to wire enough explosives to those buildings to bring them down without anyone knowing. Ever watch a building being imploded by a demolition crew? It takes WEEKS just to wire the buildings they bring down which aren't close to the scale of the WTC. A demolition expert stated that it would literally take months to plan, design and execute an implosion of those buildings, the logistics and manpower involved would be impossible to go unnoticed. They showed the amount of work involved in a much smaller building they had demolished, he said it would have taken like 3 times longer and about 5 times as much manpower and explosives to bring down the WTC.

To put that in perspective the number of people involved in a conspiracy from both government and private businesses would have to number in the thousands, if the CEO of both United and AA were involved it would have to involve many, many more employees in those airlines(some of whom died in those planes). All the employees at Cleveland International, all the people involved in the demolition, all those people on the freeway, the entire security staff of the WTC including the head of security who died rescuing people, the owners of the WTC, the employees at Logan International(a friend of mine grew up with one screener at Logan who let one terrorist through and she said it really messed him up to learn of this) multiple levels of government employees, members of congress and the senate on down. That doesn't even take into account how many military personnel would need to be involved to cover this up, it would have had to have been a military aircraft that launched that "missle". Then there are all the family members of the passengers of United 93 who spoke to loved one's on their cell phones shortly before the passengers took over the plane. Documented records of the terrorists taking flight training classes in MN and purpously stalling the planes during simulation excersizes, the same guys identified as the terrorists who flew these planes into their targets as well as testimony from an instructor who clearly told these guys to STOP stalling the simulation excersize and was puzzled as to why they were doing this(at the time anyway). Now you would have to involve the people in that school in the conspiracy.

Is it REALLY rational to think our government orchestrated this entire event? Why bother hunting Bin Laden then? Maybe he isn't dead afterall huh? I never saw a body or or the pic's they claim to have, sounds like a pretty easy cover up right there to me not to mention they kept changing their official story of what happened right from day one. How many people would need to be involved in a cover up like this? Hardly any, just the crew that raided the compound which wasn't very many and a few government officials including Obama.

rudy2010

05-23-2011, 05:20 PM

PD - you are correct a conspiracy of this nature would be extremely hard to concieve and to cover up. I agree totally on this point.

The problems for me are some disturbingly unanswered questions that are clearly not answered by claiming that the cover up would be too dificult. Why was the hole in the side of the Pentagon too small for the aircraft that struck the building. How was the metal in that plane able to burn so completely that none of the parts of the plane were recovered inside the building yet all the bodies were recovered. Why did several of the CIA experts interviewed at the crash scene indicate that they smelled cordite when they should have only smelled burning jet fuel. Why did the towers collapse like a demolition and not fall like trees. Why did the third building collapse also like a demolition even though it was not struck.

To say a conspiracy is too difficult, and to explain the reasons why it is too difficult, does not advance any reasonable explanation on these troubling questions. If there was no conspiracy then these questions should be quickly and easily answered. Maybe bodies burn at a higher temperature than metal. Maybe there was cordite stored in one of the offices hit. Maybe the experts are wrong about expecting the buildings to fall like trees.

I have not seen the details of the molten metal and the nanothermite explosives. This seems to be more recent information. My questions are from the original event. Tell me the experts were wrong and give at least some kind of explanation.

Trip06

05-23-2011, 09:37 PM

Compartimentlization. Apparetly they didnt go research the term. Mass amounts of people dont have to be "IN" on it If they are compartimentalized. This is how Operations are conducted in War with out the enemy knowing...

Really its not a conspiracy....Donald Rumpsfeld is now going around town hall meetings and telling people he dosnt even believe building 7 existed. And that "people mention this build 7" "but yet I have no proof it even existed" <Are you kidding me.....How about the fact that alquida Number 2 Leader has Dined at the Pentagon... Wasnt there also proof that they had special payed houseing and spending money...I could look back into that But im almost 100% sure they did. They were conducting the SAME drill of HIJACKERS jacking planes and flying them into the towers THE SAME DAY at the SAME TIME confuseing norad. Just like the London subway bombings, Same drill the same day...<That happens alot coincedently.

Trip06

06-01-2011, 03:34 AM

I would like to answer the questions about how could It be a conspiracy SOOO many people from the office cleaner to the head ceo would have to be in on it....

How about the fact that the towers were closed down off and on for 5 days prior and repair men and Inspection units were allowed access to remote areas of the towers. BAM!!! I knew Id find this out....Its just like the Oklahoma city bombing >

YouTube - ‪Oklahoma City Bombing RARE footage‬&rlm; (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWwrEEP8EBk) Dont you remember any of this LOL...then they said they were Training bombs...LOL I guess anything left over in any Government spocered terrorism that malfuctions is a Training bomb lol..

WTC security anomalies
A number of strange facts fall under the heading of WTC security anomalies.Among them:
â?¢ George W. Bushâ??s brother was a Director and his cousin was the CEO of the security fi rm responsible for the design of the electronic security network of the World Trade Center prior to and during 9/11;
â?¢ Numerous phone threats of bombs placed WTC on high alert in weeks prior to 9/11;
â?¢ Employees of WTC reported rare â??power-downâ? alerts in days leading up to 9/11 in which power was shut down to various fl oors for maintenance work, rendering security controls and video cameras inoperative; many workers were seen entering and leaving the buildings;
â?¢ At least one security guard at WTC reported the abrupt removal of explosive-sniffi ng dogs fi ve days prior to 9/11;
â?¢ John Oâ??Neill quit his job as FBI counter terrorism expert in part because of obstruction of his investigations of al-Qaeda and became head of WTC security, starting in late August 2001; he was killed three weeks later in the attacks.
Demolition-like Collapse of WTC 1, 2, and 7
Of all the facts discussed in this survey, the nature of the collapse of three World Trade Center buildings ranks among the most signifi cant. There are several mysteries about these collapses:
â?¢ Never in the history of modern civilization has a steel-framed skyscraper collapsed due to fi re;
â?¢ How can Solid STEEL Structure melt in Open Air,it need very high temp.which is not possible in open airâ?¦there was mostly Smoke,smoke comes out,means fire not burning properly ;
â?¢ Solid Steel Structure building fall down in 16 mints of smoke burning ;strange ! fall down in 11 second.
â?¢ After Fall down,area was full with white dust ,from where it came;
â?¢ After Fall down;why No office items,where thery wereâ?¦110 floor building,hundered of officeâ?¦chair,computer,nothing was there â?¦..
â?¢ Before few years 6 hrs of Fire in WTC,no collapse,on that day 16 mintute of smoke with fire and bulding fall down.
â?¢ BOMBS were planted in building before 9/11.
â?¢ AFTER FALL DOWN , WHERE WAS THE CORE OF BOTH BUILDING ??????????
â?¢ The fi res in the buildings were much shorted-lived than other fi res that have damaged skyscrapers in the past;
â?¢ The World Trade Center buildings were built to very high standards; they were highly redundant structures intentionally designed to withstand the direct impact of a commercial jetliner and much larger fi res;
â?¢ Scores of fi refi ghters, police, workers, outside witnesses and journalists reported hearing explosive detonations throughout the buildings just before and during their collapse;
â?¢ There is clear visible evidence of â??squibsâ?? (demolition explosions) on the sides of the towers during their collapse;
â?¢ Towers 1 and 2 fell to the ground within one and three seconds of free-fall velocity, something that is physically impossible if the fl oors of the buildings are meetingâ??let alone overcomingâ??the resistance
of intact steel and concrete structure throughout their fall;
â?¢ The concrete of the towers is pulverized to a fi ne dust, something that would not occur if the fl oors of the towers simply â??pancakedâ? upon each other;
â?¢ The towers fell almost perfectly into their own footprints;
â?¢ The buildings had been transferred from public to private ownership only a few weeks earlier, and their new owner took out insurance that specifi cally included acts of terrorism. The case of World Trade Center 7 is most revealing:
â?¢ It was never struck by an airplane;
â?¢ The fi res inside (allegedly due to falling debris from the collapse of the other towers) were relatively small;
â?¢ It fell at exactly free-fall velocity; without controlled demolition this is impossible according to the laws of physics;
â?¢ It fell symmetrically into its footprint;
â?¢ Its owner is on videotape saying he suggested to fi re offi cials that the building be â??pulledâ?â??jargon for controlled demolition; shortly after that suggestion, it collapsed in precisely the manner of a controlled
demolition;
â?¢ It housed offices of the CIA and New Yorkâ??s emergency management center, among others;
â?¢ Evidence of explosive compounds has been found in at least one of the few remaining pieces of once-molten iron that were not illegally destroyed;
The collapse of WTC 7 was never addressed by the 9/11 Commission.
These facts all bluntly confl ict with the offi cial theory of 9/11. These facts are completely consistent with controlled demolition of WTC 1, 2 and 7.
Resistance to 9/11 Investigations
In prior national crises, such as the attack on Pearl Harbor and the assassination of John F. Kennedy, investigations were empanelled within a matter of days. In the case of 9/11 the nation would have to wait a half-year for House-Senate hearings, more than a year for a formal investigation to commence,
and nearly three years for a fi nal report. The Commission closed on August 21st 2004.
President Bush and Vice President Cheney fought these hearings and investigations at every possible turn.
Many More Issue are there !if i will get time,i will publish it ,this article contain just WTC issue,not pentagon

Purple Daddy

06-01-2011, 10:33 AM

Many More Issue are there !if i will get time,i will publish it ,this article contain just WTC issue,not pentagon
>>>>>>>

Can you actually prove any of this? NO!

Esoteric416

06-05-2011, 08:31 PM

Can you prove that the "Greatest Country on Earth" was brutally, and by any scale of measurement, quite successfully attacked by a group of people who operate mainly out of caves.?

No.

Esoteric416

06-05-2011, 08:45 PM

This I think is the main problem in this debate. Both sides just revert to throwing random stones and claiming that absolute poof is the only thing that will convince them otherwise.

Personally I'm willing to dismiss some pieces of evidence as being inconclusive. Take for example the claim that squibs can be seen exploding out the sides of the towers as they fell. If you examine the video evidence this is undeniable. However I think this can possibly be explained by the fact that the towers were actively falling at the time, and the kinds of pressure tearing through the structure could have caused all kinds of effects. This is an admittedly weak explanation, but in an open debate I would be willing to let it go.
The problem is that people who say they believe the official theory are unwilling to bend on any of the evidence. They speak with the conviction of someone who was actually there, but not just in some bystander capacity but from the kind of vantage point that only superman could achieve.

I think I get it though. It's fucking scary. I don't want to believe that our government lied to and betrayed us to get us into a war, but that seems to be the most plausible answer.
It's not like this type of thing hasn't happened in the past. Vietnam was based on a lie and its public knowledge today. Research the bay of Ton kin incident and then search for other false flag operations. Human beings have been deceiving other human beings for their own gain for thousands of years, it's simple logic that as our society becomes ever more complex so too do our deceptions.

rudy2010

06-05-2011, 10:45 PM

Thanks Eso. That is what I have been saying. I want to see evidence that proves there was no conspiracy. So far the simple questions I have are yet to be answered. The lack of any plane recovery at the pentagon with the complete body recovery is just too hard to swallow. If no logical explanation can be given then only the illogical remains.

It is frightening to accept the possibility that a conspiracy existed but it is always very important to question authority. They have frequently distorted the truth in the past.

Purple Daddy

06-06-2011, 01:32 AM

Can you prove that the "Greatest Country on Earth" was brutally, and by any scale of measurement, quite successfully attacked by a group of people who operate mainly out of caves.?>>>>>>

I can prove what I saw with my own two eyes! Most conspiracy theroist think Bush/Cheny were behind this, it would be impossible to pull off a stunt like this in less then 8 months and thats about how long Bush was in office when these attacks occured. The problem with conspiracy junkies is they are more then willing to excuse the obvious without being able to explain their own theory. Apparently this "conspiracy" has continued with the new president otherwise the whole Bin Laden thing was a waste of time and money.

Where are all the Jew's who didn't go to work that day or fly on those planes? Nobody told me about any of this, I'm glad I wasn't traveling that day.

Trip06

06-08-2011, 01:43 AM

Bush and cheny? shit you can go back to Kennedy and even further to find out what its always been about.

I can prove what I seen with my two eyes also...3 buildings falling at free fall speed...The bottom floors giving out at the same time as the top. Before the collapse portions even made it down to touch them...One of those buildings wasnt even hit by a plane. Wasnt even mentioned in THE INVESTIGATION....WELL FUCK ME SIDEWAYS WORLD TRADE CENTER BUILDING 7........A WHOLE FUCKING BUILDING....FALLING THAT SCARED MILLIONS OF AMERICANS TO DEATH AND NOT A PEEP OUT OF OUR GOVERNMENT....A WHOLE BUILDING A WHOLE BUILDING A WHOLE BUILDING....DONALD RUMPSFELD ON VIDEO SAYING HES NEVER AWARE IT EXISTED "While speaking at town hall meetings"

<Bush and Cheny LULZ.... Hey how do you know how long it takes to plan a demo operation? Hitler staged his own burning of his own parliment building...Im sure there were loyalists just like you back in the 40's saying the same thing...and history repeats itself over and over cause people forget.

Trip06

06-08-2011, 01:46 AM

I can also prove its chemicaly impossible to have Molten pools of liquid metal still buring 27 days after the collapse from "jet fuel" and/or office paper....lol.

katsung47

06-19-2011, 12:27 AM

Another 911 will repeat after ten years?

Quote, "'Lucky' Larry's Chicago's Sears/Willis Tower Tenants are Moving out and it has an Asbestos Problem

On June 10, 2011, Chicagoâ??s Northwest Community Hospital and the U.S. Army Reserve will perform an emergency exercise called â??Red Dragonâ? to prepare for any future event involving mass death.

Security at Willis is provided by Kroll's, the same outfit that provided 'security' to the WTC.

An Israeli Company provides 'security' to Chicago's O'Hare Airport.

And with MOSSAD agent Rahm Emanuel as Mayor of Chicago, the table is set for mass murder.

Is the 'Windy City' about to get REAL Windy?

Since last year a number of emergency drills and exercises have taken place in and around the city of Chicago. To find out more about these drills and exercises, here are some articles you should read:

June 2010 â?? Emergency drills may close Chicago-area roads

June 2010 â?? Armageddon Simulated in Chicago, which involved a 'simulated' airplane crash.

May 2011 â?? Third tallest building in Chicago enhances security, conducts fire evacuation drills

On June 10, 2011, Chicagoâ??s Northwest Community Hospital and the U.S. Army Reserve will perform an emergency exercise called â??Red Dragonâ? to prepare for any future event involving mass death.
Get Out While You Still Can
Thoma Bravo moves out of Willis Tower

Thoma Bravo is becoming the second private equity firm in the past year to move out of Willis Tower, formerly known as Sears Tower, and into a new office building at 300N. LaSalle. About a year ago GTCR Golder Rauner LLC also left Willis for 300 N. LaSalle.

He also cited other factors: inconvenient security for visitors; tourists now allowed in what had been the business lobbies; and â??poor maintenanceâ? of many common areas.
Ernst & Young to leave Sears Tower

Willis Tower is owned by a group that includes, surprise, surprise 'Lucky' Larry Silverstein.

Will 'Lucky' Larry remove the Willis Tower's asbestos the same way he did at the WTC?

APFN - Warning: False Flag attack planned for Sears Tower (http://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion.cgi?disc=149495;article=137414;title=AP FN)

Purple Daddy

06-19-2011, 02:14 AM

Security at Willis is provided by Kroll's, the same outfit that provided 'security' to the WTC.
>>>>>>

Dean Witter managed security at the WTC. IN fact the head of security for Dean Witter died helping save the lives of hundreds of people. The Discovery channel has a very good documentary on his life.

rudy2010

06-20-2011, 03:18 PM

I am just waiting for an explanation to a few troubling questions so I can move on. If people can't explain how the plane that hit the pentagon burned so completely that no parts could be recovered but the bodies inside were all recovered we still have pointedly unanswered questions. Why did the personell interviewed at the pentagon immdiately after the event smell cordite? Why did bldg 7 collapse? Why did all the buildings collapse like a demolition when the demolition experts said they should have toppled like trees? People seem to be dismissing the entire issue without addressing obvious questions that came up directly after the event. Now you are arguing about information that was discovered months and years later. Lets see people have answers to the simple questions from the initial event or maybe the more difficult ones that came up later.

The government has admitted that they released a virus from a ship in San Francisco Bay to see how many people got ill. Many got ill and some even died. The government did not admit they did this until the evidence was leaked out about 40 years later. The government gave LSD to people without letting them know. At least one person comitted suicide as a result. The government also admitted to this about 40 years later and paid the family a settlement. There are many more examples of government conspiracies that have come to light after the fact. Some conspiracies came to light prematurely like the pentagon papers exposing the government conspiracy to lie about VietNam while we were still at war. The inconvenient exposure of this information caused people to rethink their entire stand on the war.

I hope 911 was not a case of history repeating itself in the sense of past poor behavior.

Purple Daddy

06-20-2011, 03:48 PM

Airplane debris including Flight 77's black boxes,[101] the nose cone, landing gear,[102] an airplane tire,[103] and an intact cockpit seat[104] were observed at the crash site. The remains of passengers from Flight 77 were found at the Pentagon crash site and their identities confirmed by DNA analysis.[105] Many eyewitnesses saw the plane strike the Pentagon. Further, Flight 77 passengers made phone calls reporting that their airplane had been hijacked. For example, passenger Renee May called her mother to tell her that the plane had been hijacked and that the passengers had been herded to the back of the plane. Another passenger named Barbara Olson called her husband (U.S. Solicitor General Theodore Olson) and said that the flight had been hijacked, and that the hijackers had knives and box cutters.[4][95][106]

Purple Daddy

06-20-2011, 03:50 PM

After 9/11, cellular experts said that calls were able to be placed from the hijacked planes, and that they were surprised that they lasted as long as they did. They said that the only reason that the calls went through in the first place is that the aircraft were flying so close to the ground.[134] Alexa Graf, an AT&T spokesperson said it was almost a fluke that the calls reached their destinations.[135] Other industry experts said that it is possible to use cell phones with varying degrees of success during the ascent and descent of commercial airline flights.[136] Marvin Sirbu, professor of Engineering and Public Policy at Carnegie Mellon University said on September 14, 2001, that "The fact of the matter is that cell phones can work in almost all phases of a commercial flight."[136]

According to the 9/11 Commission Report, 13 passengers from Flight 93 made a total of over 30 calls to both family and emergency personnel (twenty-two confirmed air phone calls, two confirmed cell phone and eight not specified in the report). According to Debunk911myths.org, all but two calls from Flight 93 were made on air phones, not cell phones, and both calls lasted about a minute before being dropped.[137] Brenda Raney, Verizon Wireless spokesperson, said that Flight 93 was supported by several cell sites.[135] There were reportedly three phone calls from Flight 11, five from Flight 175, and three calls from Flight 77. Two calls from these flights were recorded, placed by flight attendants Madeleine Sweeney and Betty Ong on Flight 11.

Purple Daddy

06-20-2011, 03:56 PM

In the article "Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe", which appeared in the Open Chemical Physics Journal, authors Niels Harrit of the University of Copenhagen's Department of Chemistry, Jeffrey Farrer of Brigham Young University's Department of Physics and Astronomy, Steven E. Jones, and others state that thermite and nanothermite composites in the dust and debris were found following the collapse of the three buildings, which they conclude to be proof that explosives brought down the buildings. The article contained no scientific rebuttal and the editor in chief of the publication subsequently resigned.[80][81][82][83]

Jones has not explained how the amount of explosive needed to do this could have been positioned in the two buildings without drawing attention, but mentioned efforts to research the buildings' maintenance activity in the weeks prior to the event. Federal investigators at the National Institute of Standards and Technology state that enormous quantities of thermite would have to be applied to the structural columns to damage them, but Jones disputed this, saying that he and others were investigating "superthermite".[81] Brent Blanchard, author of "A History of Explosive Demolition in America",[84] who corresponded with Jones, states that questions about the viability of Jones' theories remain unanswered, such as the fact that no demolition personnel noticed any telltale signs of thermite during the eight months of debris removal following the towers' collapse. Blanchard also stated that a verifiable chain of possession needs to be established for the tested beams, which did not occur with the beams Jones tested, raising questions of whether the metal pieces tested could have been cut away from the debris pile with acetylene torches, shears, or other potentially contaminated equipment while on site, or exposed to trace amounts of thermite or other compounds while being handled, while in storage, or while being transferred from Ground Zero to memorial sites.[85]

Jones also stated that molten steel found in the rubble was evidence of explosives, as an ordinary airplane fire would not generate enough heat to produce this, citing photographs of red debris being removed by construction equipment, but Blanchard stated that any molten steel in the rubble would've immediately damaged any excavation equipment encountering it.[81]

Purple Daddy

06-20-2011, 04:00 PM

Phil MolÃ© of Skeptic magazine has explained that it is neither quick nor easy to locate and intercept a plane behaving erratically, and that the hijackers turned off or disabled the onboard radar transponders. Without these transponder signals to identify the airplanes, the hijacked airplanes would have been only blips among 4,500 other blips on NORADâ??S radar screens, making them very difficult to track.[69][72]

According to Popular Mechanics, only 14 fighter jets were on alert in the contiguous 48 states on 9/11. There was no automated method for the civilian air traffic controllers to alert NORAD.[72] A passenger airline had not been hijacked in the US since 1979.[75] "They had to pick up the phone and literally dial us," says Maj. Douglas Martin, public affairs officer for NORAD. According to Popular Mechanics, only one civilian plane was intercepted in the decade prior to 9/11, which took 1 hour and 22 minutes.[72]

Rules in effect at that time, and on 9/11, barred supersonic flight on intercepts. Before 9/11, all other NORAD interceptions were limited to offshore Air Defense Identification Zones (ADIZ). "Until 9/11 there was no domestic ADIZ," says FAA spokesman Bill Schumann. After 9/11, the FAA and NORAD increased cooperation. They set up hotlines between command centers while NORAD increased its fighter coverage and installed radar to watch airspace over the continent.[72

Purple Daddy

06-20-2011, 04:02 PM

The problem with conspiracy theories such as this one is they raise a lot of questions but offer no answers and for the most part they offer no proof just speculation. Most of Loose Change has been completely debunked, there is nary a shred of proof in anything they suggest may have happened.

rudy2010

06-20-2011, 04:10 PM

I will try to locate and recheck my source but I found this information a long time ago. The problems described by my source are the following. The hole in the pentagon was not large enough for the model of plane that struck the building. The plane burned so thoroughly that none of the plane was recovered inside the pentagon yet all of the bodies were recovered. The only piece of the plane recovered was a piece of an engine recovered outside the building that "could not be identified as a piece of the type of plane that hit the pentagon". Explosives experts interviewed at the pentagon right after the event claimed they smelled the explosive cordite and not jet fuel as expected.

It is possible and even probable that a plane struck the pentagon. I will try to relocate the articles and links that describe these troubling questions. I read this information years ago and the questions I have are just the ones that stuck out.

Why did the towers fall like a demolition and not topple like a tree. If you can explain the towers collapse with melting inner support beams what about bldg 7. It was never struck and collapsed in the same demolition type manner. The only explanation I have seen offered was that it was possibly poor construction.

CanGroIt

06-20-2011, 05:48 PM

It would be soooooooooooo easy for US operatives to recruit hijackers.... People who hate America are very easy to find in the middle east. People who are willing to commit horrendous acts for the sake of their belief are even easier to find. How easy would it be for a US operative to setup all flights hijacked that day? Easier than it would be for a person who operates out of a mud hut....

Purple Daddy

06-20-2011, 09:04 PM

It is possible and even probable that a plane struck the pentagon. I will try to relocate the articles and links that describe these troubling questions. I read this information years ago and the questions I have are just the ones that stuck out.>>>>>>>>

I think the information I posted is pretty straight forward. Science can't explain everything as an event like this has never happened before. A LOT of misinformation has been repeated so many times that people come to believe them as fact such as no evidence of any plane wreckage at the pentagon. There were numerous eye witness that saw a passenger jet fly over their heads, there is absoutely no mistaking a passenger jet for a missle. The wreckage material not burned up has been clearly identified as that of an aircraft and not a missle, a missle has no cockpit or seats.

Suggesting a simultanious demolition of three buildings with two of them being some of the largest structures in the world is absurd just to suggest.

Purple Daddy

06-20-2011, 09:11 PM

How easy would it be for a US operative to setup all flights hijacked that day? Easier than it would be for a person who operates out of a mud hut....>>>>

My case in point, conspiracy theorist are great at coming up with questions but never seem to have any answers. It's possible GOD was responsible for all of this however you'd never convince me of it but if you're faith is strong enough I could see how a person could see it that way. It's possible the Russians were behind this as well. Why wouldn't they hire terrorists? They have the intelligence to pull something like this off. Why not Iran? Why would it be so far fetched to believe Iran was behind this?

Maybe it was the Chinese? Did you know they have closed a 20 year technology gap in 10 years and are nipping at our heels as of today? Why couldn't they have orchestrated this to help bring our economy/government down?

Why not the Canadians? Didn't all the terrorists cross the border through Canada? I'm sure if a person did enough research they could come up with a dozen reasons why Canada may have been behind all of this.

Why not Mexico? Sure wouldn't be hard to come up with more then a few reasons why the Mexicans might want to attack us.

Why not Hugo Chavez? Hasn't he flat out threatned us with military action? Why wouldn't he be behind a massive terrorist attack on US soil?

Maybe it was aliens? Does anyone have any actual proof that aliens weren't behind all of this? Hhhhhmmmmm...

CanGroIt

06-20-2011, 09:58 PM

My case in point, conspiracy theorist are great at coming up with questions but never seem to have any answers.....

Like Rudy said before, too many questions have gone unanswered which leaves people to think of more questions. The governments official story conflicts with EYEWITNESS testimony....

9/11 was a false flag attack to motivate the invasion of Iraq. Setup to look like a terrorist attack so the general public would approve the presidents decision to invade. Why? For the natural resource of oil.... WMD's was just an excuse to get us into Iraq. The long term goal is to occupy land rich with oil. Why? American oil researchers speculated that US oil production would peak sometime in the 1970's and then American oil supply would soon after deplete. This is about the time the US started importing oil. As part of a business strategy, the US has been keeping most of the oil fields as reserves for when the rest of the worlds oil starts to deplete... Capitalism at work.... Anyway, the US gov wants American business in Iraq. In order for that to happen, Iraq has to have a stable economic society. Saddam was a huge roadblock for American business so he was dealt with the only way American business leaders know how to deal with people who stand in their way....

We might not agree on this 9/11 topic purpledaddy but this is what I can say from personal experience - While I was in Kuwait awaiting order to enter Iraq, I had a chance to speak with a Kuwaiti national who I exchanged American money for some Saddam dinars and Egyptian bills. While talking to this cab driver, I asked him why he thought we were at war with Iraq and he said American business. He said that American business wants to setup in Iraq and Saddam doesn't want to agree. Western culture and business is not liked in the middle east and not wanted. He said that American businesses have changed Kuwait since the US came in and saved them from the Iraqi invasion in 1991. He said the only reason Kuwait let American business in was because the American military helped.... This man was at least 50 years old so I took his opinion as a first hand experience of what people from over there think....

CGI::::::

Purple Daddy

06-20-2011, 10:45 PM

The governments official story conflicts with EYEWITNESS testimony....>>>>

By whom and regarding what? The government official version is validated by eyewitness testimony I posted right here. Which eye witness is right and which is wrong? I'll go with the ones I've stated right here.

CanGroIt

06-21-2011, 01:01 AM

By whom and regarding what? The government official version is validated by eyewitness testimony I posted right here. Which eye witness is right and which is wrong? I'll go with the ones I've stated right here.

I'm sure you already saw this thread------> http://boards.cannabis.com/conspiracy/197919-debunking-theory-millions-people-would-have-9-11-a.html

I like the part where the firemen are talking about hearing explosions as they were falling......like around 1min & 36sec or so....in the first vid....

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Purple Daddy

06-21-2011, 04:44 AM

The problem is you can't deny the obvious, such as what people have seen with their own eyes.

The entire conspiracy must flow together, there is no doubt a plane crashed into the pentagon, absolutely certifiable evidence exists as I posted. This alone would debunk the entire conspiracy theory.

There isn't a single shred of evidence to suggest a missle was fired at the pentagon and in fact the exact opposite evidence exists proving it was a passenger jet.

You expect me to believe because of a conversation you had with a cabbie in Kuwait that 9/11 was conspired to overthrow the Iraqi economy? You actually believe our own president conspired to fly a plane into the White House?

Purple Daddy

06-21-2011, 05:02 AM

Clever video however it also contradicts itself, it suggests the government denied building 7 existed yet the final few clips they say it was from fire. A three second clip of an audio recording claiming to be Rumsfeld??

Come on now, you have to have something better then that?

Are there really 1400 experts who disagree with the governments findings with facts to back it up? Are there really 1400 experts who disagree in the first place? They don't name or list them. ANYONE can produce a home made video with vague theories and suggestions but again the problem is they offer no answers.

You are asking me to believe the government loaded those buildings with explosives while being totally undetected by WTC security. Morgan Stanley ran security for the WTC, their director of security had evacuation drills for Morgan Stanley employees every three months since the 93 bombing attempt. He was in charge of every thing that went on in those towers, his name was Rick Rescorla and he died rescuing Morgan Stanley employees, because of his efforts all but 4 of Morgan Stanley employees survived the tower collapse, Rick Rescorla was not one of the survivors. Go watch the documentary "The Man Who Predicted 9/11" then tell me it was a conspiracy.

CanGroIt

06-21-2011, 03:07 PM

Just because a good man with a good heart was the director of security, does not mean that the gov, at the very highest levels, wouldn't be motivated to do something like this... If you haven't been paying attention, wall street has been running our government since the Reagan days.... When has empathy, in the wall street business world, ever gotten in the way of greed? I'd have an answer for you, if I had an example.... And it's not only wall street that run it, big banks have their finger in the pie too. Now, I'm not saying that they were all in on it, nor do I have a shred of proof who was, but it is possible for something like this to occur at the very highest levels....and I'm talking higher than the president....

Cause if you haven't been paying attention, our presidents, since JFK, haven't done shit for the people and have succumb to big business....

If you're making millions upon millions each year, you are not in touch with the general publics reality.... Big business looks and treats the general public like commodities.... Big pharmacy wants to treat us and suck every penny out before we eventually expire because of their "treatment".... They don't care about us and would easily and readily do anything to expand their pockets, even at the expense of the general public......kinda like royalty would treat the townsmen.... History repeats itself, doesn't matter how much technology we have, man will never change....and it's sad to say but this world needs evil in order for good to exist....balance is what this world is all about....

We obviously aren't going to ever agree on this subject....but we can agree that we both don't know what really happened....

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Purple Daddy

06-22-2011, 01:11 AM

We obviously aren't going to ever agree on this subject....but we can agree that we both don't know what really happened....
>>>>>>>>>

Actually, I think I know pretty much what happened or at least the official version seems very, very probably and enough for me to accept and I'm considered by most to be a skeptic. We may not agree BUT I've clearly stated points of references including the names of eye witnesses and nobody else has produced anything other then speculation. While I respect your post here it really has nothing to do with the subject or proving a point. Suggesting something else could have happened is easy but to actually provide points of references to prove your point is another. A couple of short video clips edited for their dramatic presentation are hardly good enough to convince me of anything and I highly doubt that was Donald Rumsfield on that audio tape. Those firemen had never experienced a building collapse of that magnitude, in fact nobody ever has so who knows what kind of sounds and/or explosions might be created when 110 stories come crashing down. Those buildings have utilities including flammables which would ignite in a fire. A five second clip of some anonymous firemen going "boom, boom, boom" played over and over is hardly convincing and only used for dramatic effect.

The point I was making regarding Rick Rescorla was that NOTHING was going on inside those towers without his advanced knowledge, he had full free reign of all security matters within the WTC complex. Nobody was going to wire or plant explosives in quantity enough to bring down those buildings without him knowing about it. This guy was so concerned about an attack from the air that he advised Morgan Stanley to relocate to a 10 story building in New Jersey, when they refused because of lease agreements he began running drills every three months for almost 8 years, these drills saved the lives of 3700 people. Do you REALLY think this guy would have been blind to both his buildings being set up for demolition? Come on man, use some common sense.

CanGroIt

06-22-2011, 03:01 PM

Covert operations are exactly that, covert.... And YES I do think that it is possible for explosives to be planted without his knowledge.... When it comes down to it, civilians are lazy and take other peoples word for things. I could go into so many scenarios where he could have been told one thing and believe that what he is being told is true.... Spouses cheat on their significant others while their significant other is nonetheless suspicious.... So yes, I do believe it could have happened even though this man reigned over security....

I could be on the net all day and look for specific examples of where stories contradict each other, with names and links and all that. Instead, I'm going to show you a scientific/physics point of view....

Here's a video of a controlled demolition------> YouTube - ‪coolest building implosion‬&rlm; (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ng5qwtR59A&feature=youtube_gdata_player)

Does it look similar to anything you've seen before? Maybe similar to the way that the WTC buildings came down? But if we were to use the example of the WTC buildings falling in the manner in which they did, then review the video of the controlled demolition, we would have to conclude that the building in the video of the controlled demolition had to have been hit with a plane, or similar force at a similar location, to have toppled the way that it did, no? Or should it be the other way around?

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Purple Daddy

06-22-2011, 03:23 PM

And YES I do think that it is possible for explosives to be planted without his knowledge.... >>>>

How? Did you watch the documentary on this person? Do you know anything about him? I watched the whole thing and nothing was going on in those towers without his advanced knowledge, for Christ sake it was his job and he did emergency evacuation drills every three months for years, hardly the sign of a lazy person and in fact he was obsessed with his job.

Again you suggest nothing but pure speculation...It's possible aliens shot the buildings down with laser beams, I mean nobody ever said they never saw any alien space craft and they would probably have the technology to fly under radar. HHHHMMMM, maybe I'm on to something here?

CanGroIt

06-22-2011, 04:23 PM

My point was that just because someone is good at what they do doesn't mean that a small number of people could not enter the building without his knowledge. Shoot, they could have entered with his permission to do "maintenance" or "painting" or "so much more other chiz that could be named as having a prob and needing to be fixed". Not saying he was directly lazy, just saying that, in general, civilians are lazy....

I posted the video as the quickest form of "common sense" that I could find.... But you obviously trust your government.... That's why G Bush put Henry Kissinger in charge of the 9/11 commission. Yes he resigned months later but that was due to the outcry of Henry Kissingers past devious actions against society for governmental benefits....

You go ahead and trust your government PD.... I on the other hand will not.... I, as a patriot, joined the military to protect and defend our constitution and way of life.... It wasn't until I was used for other than patriotic motivations that I decided that my government wasn't truthful to it's people....

Benjamin Franklin said it best when he said, "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

CGI::::::

(Time for me to step away from this conversation)

Trip06

06-23-2011, 12:00 AM

Absurd is an opinion, Demolitions Experts have stated its 100% fact they were demolitions. Free fall speed, means all the floors are cut at the EXACT same time, no If ands or butts, straight FACT. Im sorry to say but Fire, or faulty construction materials, or planes, ect ect WILL NEVER be that precise. They fell straight down Inside their own foot print...NEVER in the history of the world has ANY building ever done that other than demolitions...Thats what demos DO. The first two towers were demoed right as the debri from the top starts to crumble...At that point you can clearly see that the bottom floors Give out at the Exact same time. WHY ON GODS GREEN EARTH WAS BUILDING 7 NOT EVEN MENTIONED IN A FEDERAL INVESTIGATION?>???WTF ABSURD ABSURD ABSURD ABSURD....WHY IS SECRETARY OF DEFENCE DONALD RUMPSFELD GOING AROUND Town& cityhall meetings telling people It never Existed?> REALLY?

Purple Daddy

06-23-2011, 05:53 AM

But you obviously trust your government....>>>>>>

Please don't put words in my mouth, I believe what I see and hear with my own two eyes and ears and I don't take anything at face value, I prefer to make my own conclusions and not let zelots pursuade me of some kind of bizzare happening.

Purple Daddy

06-23-2011, 05:58 AM

Demolitions Experts have stated its 100% fact they were demolitions>>>>>>>

Name three please.

Free fall speed, means all the floors are cut at the EXACT same time, no If ands or butts, straight FACT>>>>

Your points of reference please? You can prove every floor was cut through?

They fell straight down Inside their own foot print>>>>>>

No they didn't, again your points of reference? The buildings I saw toppled and did not collapse into their own footprint. So not only did a demolition crew lace the entire building with explosives they were also able to access every floor and cut through steel support beams to help a controlled demolition all without ever being detected or suspected of being up to something? This is what would have had to happen and you don't have a shred of evidence to support this theory.

Rusty Trichome

06-23-2011, 01:54 PM

As far as "eyewitnesses accounts and memory"...perhaps it would help to read a few of these articles:
eyewitness testimony accurate? - Google Search (http://www.google.com/search?q=eyewitness+testimony+accurate%3F&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GGIC)

As far as explaining the conspiracy (and most others) ...Perhaps this article will help:
What is Occam's Razor? (http://www.desy.de/user/projects/Physics/General/occam.html)

Personally, I can overthink a conspiracy into my frigging breakfast ceral if I were so inclined. But since I take all info into account before becomming annaly wrong on an issue, I'm not as inclined to seek-out half-truths and unsupportable speculation just to say I believe in a popular conspiracy theory. Were it a conspiracy fact, y'all would have the evidence to support your positions and sway those of us with open minds to your "theories". As it is now...it's like watching y'all tout the wonderfulness of a "Hope and Change" candidate. So how did that one work-out...?

Trip06

07-13-2011, 06:07 PM

Personally 6 out of 10 of the 9/11 commisioners of the Official investigation Said It was a cover up and they were denied axcess to evidence.

katsung47

08-23-2011, 10:12 PM

basement—several seconds BEFORE the plane hit the tower!”

Richard Roepke
William “Willy” Rodriguez is the 9/11 hero who helped save hundreds of lives, and the last person to escape alive from the World Trade Center (WTC) Towers.

Although the thrust of this narrative is meant to be about the selflessness and nobleness of heroism, be forewarned.

In its effort to reveal the essential goodness that resides in the hearts of most human beings, it also inexorably exposes the vilest evil that festers in the minds of a few.
Once past the heroism, this story begins to slice through the slimy underbelly of a vile, pathological beast that controls our lives, and gives us glimpses of the innards of this creature that grins gleefully at our gullibility and simple innocence while trampling on our most basic human rights.

This story is a wake-up call to all citizens of planet Earth.

Decorated Hero

Employed at the WTC for 19 years as a maintenance worker, Rodriguez was responsible for the upkeep and safety of the stairwells within the 110-storey North Tower. On the morning of 9/11, Rodriguez was the only person at the WTC site with the master key to the North Tower stairwell doors. [For fire containment purposes, only doors on every fourth level were normally left unlocked.]

In the immediate aftermath of the attacks, Rodriguez personally rescued fifteen injured persons from the WTC by leading—often carrying—them to safety. Having evacuated the injured from the basement levels, he rushed back into the tower and led firefighters up the stairwells. Unlocking doors to various floors as they ascended, he aided in the successful evacuation of unknown hundreds of survivors.

At great risk to his own life, Rodriguez re-entered the structure three times, and even rescued people trapped between floors in elevator cars by lowering ladders down into shafts. Having helped lead everyone he could find to safety, he finally decided to exit the building.

Rodriguez is believed to be the last person to leave the collapsing North Tower alive.
He survived the building’s collapse by diving beneath a fire truck, where he lay trapped, completely buried in a mountain of dust and rubble for over two hours. Barely able to breathe, he thought he would “die for sure” under that truck where he was literally entombed.

An agnostic, he prayed for the first time in his adult life. As he now unshakably believes, God does listen to heartfelt prayers, and miracles do happen.
A policeman who had been standing across the street had caught a fleeting glimpse of Rodriguez as he leapt under the truck a split second before the tower collapsed in an avalanche of debris.

It was this officer who later returned with help believing that the man under that truck might still be alive.

Rodriguez has been spiritually transformed by this experience and has embraced his faith again with deep reverence.

For his outstanding heroism during America’s desperate hour, William Rodriguez received a special commendation for valor from President George W. Bush at a special White House ceremony.

And that is the extent of the official story as it pertains to William Rodriguez’s involvement relating to rescue efforts following the 9/11 attacks.
But, as you shall see, his incredible heroism was but the tip of the 9/11 iceberg.

“Bombs! Bombs!”
............

Brushing this curious connection aside as coincidence, he began to wonder about the practical difficulties the perpetrators would have encountered in gaining access to the buildings. He tried to recall having seen any suspicious people, or strange occurrences.
Pieces began to slowly come together.

He recalled seeing small teams of men in white “HazMat” coveralls busily moving about the building in the weeks preceding the attacks. Their presence didn’t strike him as particularly odd at the time, except for the fact that they used the stairwells almost exclusively and avoided using the service elevators. But he now began to wonder about these men’s real identities and true purpose.

One particularly bizarre incident snapped into focus, one that was so frightening he recalls it made his “hair stand up.”

A few weeks prior to the attacks, he was working in a stairwell on the 34th floor, which he knew to be completely vacant. Suddenly, he heard the strangest sound—one he’d never heard inside the tower in his nearly twenty years there.

It was a powerful, ominous, “rumbling” sound of something extremely heavy being rolled about. It sounded like a “huge metal dumpster on steel wheels, containing something extremely heavy—tons—being rolled around” a floor that he knew to have been totally empty—devoid even of furniture.

Yet, Rodriguez categorically maintains there was “someone” on that floor moving some monstrous contraption about.

Oddly, he admits to having been gripped by intense fear at the time, but he was having difficulty verbalizing to me the exact nature of his apprehension. While this didn’t strike me as having been a particularly inauspicious occurrence, it was clear he had been deeply affected by it. He immediately reported the incident to the main office, but was reassured it was a vacant floor.

Rodriguez was emphatic that he felt so frightened by this incident he didn’t dare open the door to look inside because he literally feared for his life.

He intuitively sensed grave danger behind that door, and did his best to avoid the 34th floor thereafter.

.............

Witnesses Begin to Drop Dead

It wasn’t long afterwards that Rodriguez got his next wake-up call. Kenny Johanneman, another of Willy’s close friends and former WTC colleague, had also been in the basement with him when the bombs were going off.

Willy, now working on behalf of the community of Hispanic victims, survivors and their families, had decided to contact everyone he knew who had been present at the WTC that day so he could record their personal experiences on video.

During a lengthy interview, Johanneman recounted his experience in great detail, holding back nothing. Johanneman, who had made it his personal mission to tell everyone he knew—and anyone else who’d listen—that he had seen “floors blow up in the basement before the plane hit,” appeared extremely eager (almost nervously so, Willy now recalls) to get his story on tape.

Three days after the interview, Rodriguez received the bad news.

Kenny Johanneman had suddenly “committed suicide.” Gunshot to the head.

This is frighteningly reminiscent of Barry Jennings, the former New York Housing Authority Emergency Coordinator and key 9/11 witness who suddenly died of unknown causes days before the release of NIST’s “amended” report on the collapse of WTC7.
Jennings is on record [3] stating, unequivocally and emphatically regarding Building 7, that “explosions were going off all over the place”—while the Twin Towers were still standing!

Jennings also stated during an interview that he was “stepping over bodies” in the main lobby of WTC7 as he was being led out by firemen. The lobby, he testified on video, “looked like a bomb had gone off inside it.”

[NB: This is virtually identical to John Mongello’s testimony about elevators exploding in the South Tower before a plane even hit that building.]

Mr. Jennings, who was known to be in excellent health, also suffered a sudden and mysterious death at age 53.

Dylan Avery, a documentary producer, commissioned a private detective to investigate Jennings’ suspicious death (and the subsequent disappearance of his wife and two children). Within days the man returned Avery’s’s check to him and, giving no reason, refused to continue with the case.

The latest casualty in the long line of 9/11 expert witnesses to die under suspicious circumstances was Dutch demolition expert Danny Jawenko, president of Exposieve Demolitie BV, a leading Dutch controlled demolition company.

Having watched a video of WTC Building 7 suddenly fall at freefall speed, Mr. Jawenko had the courage to stand up and authoritatively assert [4] that he was “absolutely positive” WTC7 was brought down by controlled demolition.

On July 18, 2011, while driving home alone in his own car, Mr. Jawenko’s vehicle suddenly accelerated, swerved off the road and crashed into a tree at high speed.
Danny Jawenko was killed instantly.

The brave individuals mentioned above are just a few of a long list [5] of individuals who have made the ultimate sacrifice.

The Mission Ratchets Up

During Rodriguez’s long crusade, he also contacted the FBI, but they never followed up on his reports. [It’s almost certain they did, but were probably allowed to take it only so far.] The same holds true with the mainstream media.

CNN spent a day interviewing Rodriguez at his home, but when it was broadcast the following day it had been thoroughly edited: they glamorized the heroic rescues and the White House tamasha, of course, but wholly excised anything pertaining to the explosions. It was a total whitewash.

Some reporters have subtly warned Rodriguez to keep quiet, as his outspokenness could jeopardize his life. “You don’t know whom you’re dealing with,” one major-network insider told him. But Willy had already defiantly looked death in the face and will probably continue to tell his story, damn the torpedoes.

He says he is speaking for his friends who were forever rendered speechless, and adds, “I am living on borrowed time; I probably should be dead anyway.”

It’s probably this do-or-die attitude that has imbued Rodriguez with the guts to take his dauntless campaign as far as he has.

How gutsy is he, and how far is he willing to go?
In 2004 Rodriguez was the lead plaintiff in a RICO lawsuit filed against President George W. Bush and 155 of his henchmen, accusing them of complicity in the 9/11 attacks, conspiracy to commit murder and other crimes.

This is hardly the behavior of a man afraid of getting whacked.

But don’t hold your breath waiting for a sensational courthouse drama with Dubya sweating it out in the hot seat. The court dismissed Rodriguez’s claims against the USA, DHS, and FEMA, and gave Rodriguez until July 7, 2006 to show cause why his lawsuit should not be dismissed with respect to the other 153 defendants. Due to a falling out with his attorney, Rodriguez failed to do so, and the court dismissed the case.
But he’d be the first to tell you this was never about winning.

It was about getting the public to wake up to the facts about 9/11—the single most heinous crime and unconscionable fraud ever foisted on the inhabitants of this planet.
Preparing For The 10th Anniversary

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/08/10/%E2%80%9Clast-man-out-makes-shocking-911-disclosure/

Trip06

11-07-2011, 04:02 AM

Yup Missing and "suicided people" For The WIN. Hey purple daddy Its a "flowing conspiracy"

Kinda like the BP oil disaster...
Any of you guys look into how many whistle blowers ended up missing and DEAD with that...its Crazy..

One thing ive learned in life is If you want the truth Learn it from People who are Overly destroyed/humiliated and the Dead people.
Dead People Tell No Lies.

stelth stoner

01-01-2012, 03:05 PM

hey dudes i know this is an old thread but not only was 9/11 an inside job but the 7/7 bombings of london were too, there is a documentary called "mind the gap" it's all about the 7/7 bombings and how the most cctv covered city in the world couldn't get a single bit of fottage of the bombers together or near where the bombings accured, by the way the cctv company is israel owned, and what had iraq to do with 9/11 about as much as iran witch is about to be invaded, the only thing iraq and iran has in common is they're oil rich and hate israel or should i say zionist occupied palistine, where were the wmd's in iraq? and as far as i know iran has had a nuclear program for the past few years why now is it that america now see's it as a threat? and america was knowingly working with the taliban in (oil rich)lybia, how long will it be before they have a problem with this, whats the best way out of recession(caused prob by 9/11) a war namely with an oil rich country

CanGroIt

01-01-2012, 03:44 PM

I saw that documentary not too long ago....it really is puzzling.... I'm pretty sure I remember the families of the accused denying what was said about them....that they had much to live for and wouldn't commit such an act.... One of them was a new father....with two little ones, 1 and 4 years old.... I just don't buy the story of a new father suicide bombing himself for a terrorist group....but that's just me....

CGI::::::

stelth stoner

01-01-2012, 06:10 PM

i know it sent shivers down my spine, none of it added up especially the 1 witness that saw the bomb on the bus came from under the passanger section and not for the bag of the innocent accused, she ran out to help the survivors and a few days later mysteriously died after the news bad mouthed her character, she simply saw too much and was takin out, not many peolpe know about this in the uk as far as they're concerned it was the taliban, even the south american electrician who was shot dead underground the police claimed it was mistakin identity, but again he saw too much as he was working in the area of one of the underground bombs, this is the free democratic world what a joke

kayakush

01-02-2012, 01:43 AM

its all run by the same elite people....they control the world and we need to get it back, starting with the states

beachguy in thongs

01-24-2012, 03:19 PM

Maybe, 9-11 is the world of automation showing it's domination over the human race. Humans created energy, ran energy to it and through it, created more energy (with energy running through it and being discharged), and, just like water attracts water, maybe the auto-pilot on the aircraft was attracted to the electrical signals running through the World Trade Center.

stelth stoner

02-07-2012, 06:21 PM

sorry beachguy but i didn't understand any of what you said??

killerweed420

02-07-2012, 11:58 PM

Its important during these troubled times to not a believe a single bit of information that the government is releasing to the public. Whether its just employement figures or possible terrorism. None of them are to be trusted at this time. It will even get worse as the western civilizations economies continue to slide into a depression. They will say anything to try and get you from thinking about the people who really caused all the problems.

williboy

03-07-2012, 05:10 AM

A very long time ago the chief of the tribe in the cave was probably the strongest of the tribe. You can bet that he was able to manipulate the weaker members of his clan. Nothing has changed since that day to this one. Except that the chiefs just got a lot better at controling the tribes. Just my 2cts on an old thread that just won't die. My thought is that while we argue about which acts of the various governments look like our best bet for busting them on it, they still have the power and it's use will only be in the service of those with the power.

williboy

03-09-2012, 12:24 AM

Wow did I seem down when I reread my own post! I do feel that if the 'stastus quo" continues things will be bad, but I think when you know that there are a lot of like minded men and women on these very boards and elsewhere who feel as strongly as you do that there IS a better way you can't help but feel hopeful.