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[miguetronix]

here is the deal a frind of mine came to me house and threw some seeds in my moms pots and 2 months later i found the baby
i want to know how its doing my concern is that the bottom leaves are yellowing and dying
plz help
thanks
Your Equipment:
.1) Type and wattage of lights. sunlight
.2) Distance from tops? sunlight
.3) Reflector type? (cool tube set-up, bat wing, enclosed reflector, bare bulb...) sunlight
.4) Is there a consistent fresh air supply? yes
.5) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan? its on my balcony
.6) What are the bulb wattages, kelvin ratings, and schedule? sunlight

Your medium:
.7) Specific brand and type of soil, (coco, peat based soilless...) and anything you've added to it. (vermiculite, perlite, worm castings...) organic soil no brand no additives
.8) Size of container. ?
.9) Did you use peat pucks (or similar) to root clones or germinate seedlings? no

Your nutrients and water:
10) Source of water? (tap, bottled or filtered) What's it's ph before adjusting? tap water
11) Method of checking water ph. (ph pen, test strips, aquarium test kit...) no
12) Method of adjusting water ph. (phosphoric acid, white vinegar, hydrated lime, PH Up...) no
13) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule. just feeded once
14) How often are you watering between feedings, and how much per watering? watering every 2 days
15) Any additives or tea's? (Superthrive, CalMag, molasses, Mother's Earth...) no
16) Are your ph levels stable, or do they fluctuate? dont know
17) What is your ingoing water's ph? ...your runoff ph? dont know
18) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you spray? no

Your growroom:
19) Indoors or outdoors?outdoors
20) What size of closet, room or hut? balcony
21) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? ...With lights off? humidity 95% temp 85
22) Have you seen signs of insects in the growroom? no

Your strain:
23) What strain are you growing? (Indica dominate or Sativa dom?) dont know
24) From seeds or clones? seeds
25) Is this an autoflower strain? dont know

[miguetronix]

i want to know if my plant is doing good or what?
plz help

[Faddenator]

Your plant looks healthy. it's probably just heat stress. The high humidity is likely making it tough for your leaves to respire. You mix a good amount of perlite into your soil when you transplant.

What kind of nutrients are you using? be careful that you dont overfeed if youre using generic plant food. never use more than a 50% strength solution unless the nutes are specifically for cannabis.

[miguetronix]

actually i am not using any nutrients because i dont know wich kind should i use and how to calculate the stenght of it
i have no perlite in the soil mix should i buy some?

i have antoher question my plant its on my balcony and recives sunlight but not directly is she going to grow well or i need direct sunlight for it to grow right
thank you
michael

[Faddenator]

You will need direct sunlight. indirect sunlight is sorta like reflecting a normal grow lamp off of a wall then onto the plants. They may grow a little, but it really isn't effective. Obviously, you can always move it indoors and throw it under a bunch of cfl's if you can't be in direct sunlight for whatever reasons.

Perlite is a very good idea, especially since you are in such a humid climate. t will help the water drain from your soil which prevents a whole bunch of problems.

You might want to start thinking about nutrients. If you can order online or if there is a hydroponics store in your area, you can easily find high quality nutrients. Otherwise generic plant food will work. either way, remember to start with small doses and work your way up.

Do you have a way to check Ph on a regular basis?

[miguetronix]

i have no way to check ph
i have boought some 20-20-20 nutrients but it comes in powder and the instructions said to use 2 tablespoons into 1 gallon of water so i dont really know how much tablespoons should i use right now
actualy when the direct sunlight its gone i am putting it under a 65W fluorecent bulb from 12P.M til 6 P.M beacause it gest direct sunlight from 6A.M to 12P.M
thanks for your advice
michael

[Faddenator]

Start with half of a tablespoon, and never use two tablespoons. one at the most. generic plant food schedules are about twice as strong as it should be for cannabis.

from the light schedule you provided, you only have it on 12 hours of light already? it's a little early to be flowering, try and up that schedule to 18 hours of light so the plant can vegetate.

what kind of lighting are you planning on using for flowering? you'll need to be very careful it gets no light during its 12 hours of darkness at that time, and you'll need at least a few extra cfl's to be sure you're getting all the light you need.

[miguetronix]

actually i am not meassuring the light time because its growing on my balcony so it goes with the lenght of the day
can i put it 24h under a CFL or i have to keep it in the sunlight only
or mix both metods?
i am wonderind if its too late to low stress train it or i can right now the plant is the same size as the pictures what do you recomend
thank you michael

[miguetronix]

here is what i have come up with for the light problem. the bulb that i have its a 65watt Cfl tell me if im doing its good or bad, what other things can i do? and if the plant seems to be growing well
yesterday i topped it and it has a blood like stain in the top is that ok? or is it bad
thak you

[Faddenator]

That's a good solution for now.

I would recommend constructing some sort of box so that the plant is completely surrounded by foil (space blankets or mylar both work better). Then I'd get as much light as possible in there. I'd say in a week or two you should move to a bigger pot as well.

As far the "stain", I'm not sure. a close up picture would help.

I'm very confused about your light schedule:


actually i am not meassuring the light time because its growing on my balcony so it goes with the lenght of the day
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actualy when the direct sunlight its gone i am putting it under a 65W fluorecent bulb from 12P.M til 6 P.M beacause it gest direct sunlight from 6A.M to 12P.M


Can you see why i'm confused? :(

I like to keep my plant vegging on 18 hours of light per day. some do 20, some do 24. take your pick for vegging. for flowering, you'll need exactly 12 hours of PITCH BLACK, UNINTERRUPTED DARK. this is very important.

[miguetronix]

the light shedule is these
sunlight from 6am to 12 pm
and cfl from 12pm to 12 am as you sugested 18 hours
how big the new pot should be? and wich kind of soil should i buy i know there is a soil that allready comes with nuts is that soil any good or i will need to make a mix of ingredients for it
i dont know wich strain it is beacause a friend of mine threw the seed on mi moms pots the other thing is that i am no sure but the person who discover the plant told me that its arround 2 months
thank you

[miguetronix]

hi i have been folowing the instructions you gave me and here are the 1st week results
plz coment about what do you think and wich things can make it better
thanks

[miguetronix]

more pics

[miguetronix]

yesterday they dind had them
are they heat stress or what?
plz help

[Rusty Trichome]

The foil will trap and radiate heat back to the plant. Ditch the foil, or use it to make a hood for the light(s).

CFL's effective range means reflected light isn't helping enough to justify cramped quarters. A circulating fan blowing fresh air on her would help with growth and strength.

More CFL's, no sunlight. The spectrum changes can confuse a lady.

Going to need a flower cycle nutrient low in nitrogen.

Did you get the perlite? In a humid location like Panama, you'll want more perlite in the soil anyway.

[miguetronix]

how i know when it start to flower?? or i should use the nutrients right away?
thanks

[miguetronix]

is this better??

[stra8outtaWeed]

Start with half of a tablespoon, and never use two tablespoons. one at the most. generic plant food schedules are about twice as strong as it should be for cannabis.

from the light schedule you provided, you only have it on 12 hours of light already? it's a little early to be flowering, try and up that schedule to 18 hours of light so the plant can vegetate.

what kind of lighting are you planning on using for flowering? you'll need to be very careful it gets no light during its 12 hours of darkness at that time, and you'll need at least a few extra cfl's to be sure you're getting all the light you need.

hey fad...with seeds it is better to start with 12 hours increasing slowly over time just as in nature going to 18 hours to fast or starting on light schedule of 18 hours or more can result in higher frequency of males...with only one seed going i would let mother nature dictate the lighting schedule and your chances of having a girl greatly increase....check the link on my bottom sig...its a page from Jorges book on getting more girls from seeds!:thumbsup:

good advice the rest of the way through! :hippy:

[bigtopsfinn]

It will flower with light cycles of 12 hours on / 12 hours off. When to flower is up to you. It will generally triple in size during flowering.

The larger the plant, the more light it will need.

Many things you need to consider here. Best advice would be to let it veg (16 hours of light per day or more) for another month, maybe 2 months. A plant will show that it is mature and ready for flowering when you see pre-flowers (you can find examples of pre-flowers with a simple google search).

You can also flower before this, but your yield will not be as much (the longer you veg, the bigger the plant, the more yield). However, without enough lighting, vegging for longer will not give you dense, thick, high-yielding buds.

Have you thought about outdoor growing?

[miguetronix]

i had but the only place that have its the balcony of my apartment. thats why i decided to go with Cfl or should y use the sunlight? the problem is that not all day long it gets direct sunlight.
thats my real question its better to use 2 * 120w cfl or sunlight?
thanks

[bigtopsfinn]

It's a good question :)

If you can: give it enough light, fresh air, good temperatures (below 85F), then indoor is probably better.

Total 240w of CFL should give you something decent. Outdoors will give you the biggest yield, but you have to worry more about bugs, animals, people stealing your shit, etc.., so better to go indoors and keep it there.

See how it goes for the next couple weeks. Check other people's grow logs and see how they grew with CFL's. You might also want to look into doing some kind of training, like LST (low stress training).

Happy growing :jointsmile:

[miguetronix]

is the plant too tall to start lst or you can start whenever you want???
i am worried of cracking the main stem, how much should i bend it
thanks

[bigtopsfinn]

Should be ok. Do it a few hours after watering. And don't try to bend too much at once. It takes a couple weeks to see the significant results from LST.

Breaking branches is always a risk with training. If the branch does snap, use a stick and some tape to straighten it and hold it together, most times the plant will heal.

[Vancefish]

Your a little tall and stiff to LST the main stem AT soil level I think. However you look to have a lot of extra stick down there too.

I'd suggest re potting. Although you answered the container size question with nothing but a question mark.:wtf: It also looks to be a sizable pot, but pics are deceiving. When/IF you repot, you can trim off those lower leaves and bury the plant deep, thus burying nodes that have no leaves. All that excess stem will grow roots once buried. Plus it'll be easier to bend what is left above the soil.

Once you have all that excess stem in the dirt, start bending little by little to expose side shoots to light. In turn they will grow into branches to tie back. Then undergrowth on the branches will grow into more branches to tie back. Once the plants top reaches the edge of the pot, start tying it around the pot.

It'll grow to look like this,..

[miguetronix]

guys i have bad news
when i was trying to LST i f***d it up and this is what happend (pic)
one of the two new main colas snaped totally
i am worried and dont know what will happen
plz tell me that its not to bad and that its going to gro the cola back

[Vancefish]

It will not grow it back. It will put energy that WAS going to that branch into another branch.

Think of it this way. If a deer walked up to this plant in the wild and ate a branch, do you think this WEED would keel over dead?

Probably not!:D

I also had another thought(still wondering about your pot size). Instead of bending the plant this late. Re-pot it AT an angle! :thumbsup: Then just worry about bending the softer new growth.

[moody420]

Your a little tall and stiff to LST the main stem AT soil level I think. However you look to have a lot of extra stick down there too.

I'd suggest re potting. Although you answered the container size question with nothing but a question mark.:wtf: It also looks to be a sizable pot, but pics are deceiving. When/IF you repot, you can trim off those lower leaves and bury the plant deep, thus burying nodes that have no leaves. All that excess stem will grow roots once buried. Plus it'll be easier to bend what is left above the soil.

Once you have all that excess stem in the dirt, start bending little by little to expose side shoots to light. In turn they will grow into branches to tie back. Then undergrowth on the branches will grow into more branches to tie back. Once the plants top reaches the edge of the pot, start tying it around the pot.

It'll grow to look like this,..

Damn Vancefish....that baby is looking good! How long did you veg to get it so bushy? I like your technique....:jointsmile:


and to miguetronix - your plant has alot of stretch, and very few nodes. I would either just work on vegging it out for awhile or use this as experience and try again. It's all about trial and error and you will learn more and more with every grow cycle. Good luck to you! :jointsmile:

[Vancefish]

Damn Vancefish....that baby is looking good! How long did you veg to get it so bushy? I like your technique....:jointsmile:


and to miguetronix - your plant has alot of stretch, and very few nodes. I would either just work on vegging it out for awhile or use this as experience and try again. It's all about trial and error and you will learn more and more with every grow cycle. Good luck to you! :jointsmile:

No reason to kill it.:jointsmile: I just think it needs a deep burying(at an angle), then tie back new growth every second or third node as it branches out, and keep the lights close. If using CFL's keep them within three inches of the plant to avoid stretch.

I started three plants on December 15th (ish). Then due to not having the HPS yet, I veg'd them until Febuary 20th. Here's a link to see the entire grow log and processes I used.

http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/179056-kinda-wild-trial-grow.html

Here is the link I read to learn LST:

http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-growing/180037-how-l-ow-s-tress-t-raining-lst.html

This is my first full grow(not counting that thing in my high school closet I killed:D) 95% of which I learned on this site.

[miguetronix]

the actual pot size is 8.5 inches in diameter is it good or it needs a bigger pot
for the soil should i use regular soil or the one that comes with nutrients and forget about feeding it?
thanks

[bigtopsfinn]

No problem with snapping it, people do it on purpose all the time. Topping should benefit you in this case.

Probably doesn't need a new pot yet, but if you're worried about it just check the roots. Wait until the soil is mostly dry, place your hand on top of the soil turn upside-down, and slide the pot off. Be careful not to break up the root-ball.

Eventually you will need 3-5 gal pots, depending on how big it gets. I would also bury it down a little once you do transplant.

For the soil, you will have to fertilize eventually, because the fertilizer in soils will run out within 4 weeks after planting/transplanting. Cannabis-specific nutrients work the best, but you can find similar ones that will work also.

[Vancefish]

I'm not saying it needs to be re-pot due to root binding. What I am saying is,..

It will soon need to be re-potted. BUT, because you want to LST, AND because it's already SO tall and has no lower leaves, AND the lower stem is already to stiff.

Re-pot it now.

However, instead of putting a thick flat layer of soil on the bottom of the new pot, try putting just enough in at an angle to hold the old soil(and the plant) at that angle. then bury it as high up that excess stem as you can fit.

This way, Your main stem turns to roots(being buried). The plant is not so tall(buried). Plus the stem is already angled to the side of the pot(as though you LST'd).

Just be careful to not trap any air in the soil while you re-pot. It'll be tougher to get soil into the area below where you aim that stem, then under a flat re-pot.

After it recovers, start tieing the new growth before it stiffens.

I'd try to find Fox farms soil if you can find it. You'll need nutes soon, no matter what you buy. Organic is best, miracle grow(for example) is known to have some nasty garbage(literally) in it.

[miguetronix]

thank you guys very much
how big should the new pot be???
and wich material should i use for lst, las time used string and the string extrangulated the top
thank you

[bigtopsfinn]

Use a pot a little bigger, not huge though. Vancefish has a good idea, but a couple things to keep in mind:

1- the pot it is in now looks pretty big, not sure how deep it is, but the roots probably haven't filled it in much yet. This might make transplant difficult, and cause stress if the rootball breaks apart.

2- you don't want to keep the plant in the same soil/container too long (more than 6-8 weeks), otherwise you will have problems. I would do a final transplant a couple weeks into flowering (maybe 1-2 months from now...) using a 5 gal bucket to finish your grow. Between then and now, transplant into a 3 gal or something in between what you have now and the 5 gal you finish in.

Just some different opinions, transplanting like Vancefish said should work fine also, and will help to train and bush out the plant.

For training, I use nylon string. Doesn't seem to do too much damage. Remember not to tie it tightly to the plant, as the stem will get thicker. I cut a piece of nylon string long enough to reach from the anchor point on the bucket to the plant, and then back to the anchor point. That way as the stem grows, it will not get strangled by the string.

[Vancefish]

I doubt that pot is actually 8.5 inches in DIAMETER. It's likely 8.5 inches across. Being more like 20 inches in diameter.

I started in what is called a 6" pot. It held about 1/2 gallon (maybe). My second pots were 10 inches across and likely held just OVER a gallon.

So, most people end up in a 3-4 gallon pot by harvest. That should work fine for you(if space isn't an issue, like growing in a short box). My 4 gallon pots are 14.5 inches across(not diameter) and 12.5 inches tall. If that helps you figure that out.

Sorry I just can't find my diameter tape measure. I'd be far more accurate if I could.:D

[bigtopsfinn]

I doubt that pot is actually 8.5 inches in DIAMETER. It's likely 8.5 inches across. Being more like 20 inches in diameter.

I started in what is called a 6" pot. It held about 1/2 gallon (maybe). My second pots were 10 inches across and likely held just OVER a gallon.

So, most people end up in a 3-4 gallon pot by harvest. That should work fine for you(if space isn't an issue, like growing in a short box). My 4 gallon pots are 14.5 inches across(not diameter) and 12.5 inches tall. If that helps you figure that out.

Sorry I just can't find my diameter tape measure. I'd be far more accurate if I could.:D

Are you confusing diameter with circumference? Because you definitely have me confused :stoned:

Diameter is the width of a circle (round pot) measuring through its center point...

[Vancefish]

I have a 10 inch pot. It measures 10 inches across the top of the pot(on the money).

I found my diameter tape measure. :thumbsup:

That same 10" pot (that says 10" on the sticker) measures 38 inches in diameter, using the diameter tape.

So a pot that measures to 8.5 inches in diameter is just over 2.75 inches across.

Edit,.. And I AM wrong. :D

[miguetronix]

the pot its 8.5 inches across the center (diameter)
and 8 icnhes tall

talking about the rootball, the first time i re-pot it was because it was growing in another plants pot. so the root was not a ball was more like a string.1 month have passed or so since i found it, so im waiting for the soil to dry so i can check on the roots. if im going to do that should i re-pot now or should i wait.

other thing is that the top that felt i am trying to use it a clone my question is how long the stem need to be so the clone will root, beacouse my top has very little space betwen the leaves and the stem that was left
thaks