New Med patient w/ questions.

[Adamkadmon]

Hi guys,

I'm a new mmj patient in Denver and I am wondering if I am restricted to going to one dispenserary (sp?) while I wait for the official certificate. Will dispensaries accept you with temporary documents? One more question, if I have designated another as my caregiver does this mean I am not allowed to also possess plants?

Any help would be great, thanks!

[PufferLungs]

You can shop at any dispensary. They will each want to see a copy of your drivers license and your paperwork that you sent in to the state for the registration. They will accept your papers without the state MMJ ID card if you haven't got the card yet.

If you have a caregiver - you have basically assigned them as your grower. That person can grow up to 6 plants in your name. YOU may not grow anything if you've designated a caregiver. If you CANCEL that person as your caregiver - THEN you can grow your own 6 plants.

If YOU are the caregiver, then you can grow 6 plants for yourself and up to 6 plants for each patient. I think the plants must be 50% vegging and 50% flowering. Meaning it's against the law for you to veg all 6 of your plants at the same time and then flower all 6 at the same time. You're supposed to only veg 3 at once and only flower 3 at once. You can have all 6 growing at the same time, but 3 of them must be vegging and up to 3 can be flowing.

[Adamkadmon]

Awesome, thanks Puffer! Anybody have any recommendations on dispensaries in the Lakewood area?

[Klonzinc]

You can shop at any dispensary. They will each want to see a copy of your drivers license and your paperwork that you sent in to the state for the registration. They will accept your papers without the state MMJ ID card if you haven't got the card yet.

If you have a caregiver - you have basically assigned them as your grower. That person can grow up to 6 plants in your name. YOU may not grow anything if you've designated a caregiver. If you CANCEL that person as your caregiver - THEN you can grow your own 6 plants.

If YOU are the caregiver, then you can grow 6 plants for yourself and up to 6 plants for each patient. I think the plants must be 50% vegging and 50% flowering. Meaning it's against the law for you to veg all 6 of your plants at the same time and then flower all 6 at the same time. You're supposed to only veg 3 at once and only flower 3 at once. You can have all 6 growing at the same time, but 3 of them must be vegging and up to 3 can be flowing.

Pufferlungs, no offense but you really should know the law before you advise a fellow patient.
1. Just because you asign a caregiver does not mean you may not grow.
2. You can have all six plants growing in veg at one time, but you may never have more than 3 flowering at any time, and of course that is per patient.

[Justabloke]

Actually Klonzinc I think Puffer is right. You can only have 6 plants growing total in your name so if you grow 6 plants and your caregiver grows 6 plants then one of you is violating the law by 6 plants. At least that's how I interpret the law...I could be wrong.

Cheers

[TheStrainMan]

Actually Klonzinc I think Puffer is right. You can only have 6 plants growing total in your name so if you grow 6 plants and your caregiver grows 6 plants then one of you is violating the law by 6 plants. At least that's how I interpret the law...I could be wrong.

Cheers

This is correct. The buck stops at the Colorado Constitution which states collectively a patient and their caregiver can grow up to 6 plants. 3 in veg, 3 in flower. If you grow your own meds, I encourage you to change your primary caregiver status to 'NONE' with the state... unless you're getting one heck of a monthly deal from your caregiver for giving up your legal right to grow; and yer willing to take the risk.

I think this risk is small tho, given the difficulty to track all the change forms flyin at the overworked health dept. staff; as well as the difficulty to prove you didn't already send a letter to your caregiver 'firing' them. So most folks would tell ya: grow on friends! BUT READ AND UNDERSTAND YOUR RIGHTS.

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[copobo]

mature flowering female is up for debate as well. mature is the day it is harvested, or the harvest window, which is a matter of days, not the entire time it is flowering.

the collective amount between a caregiver and a patient is unverifiable as a matter of privacy and the law - i.e. law enforcement may verify that you are a patient or caregiver, but they cannot go check up on your patient or your caregiver. There could be an endless line of counting and verification, as if they checked on your caregiver, they would then need to check on that caregivers patients. imposable!

AND... it is the caregiver that may recommend amounts in excess of 6 plants and 2 oz's, not the doctor, so your caregiver may recommend you learn to grow in order to supplement what your caregiver provides...

at least that's one interpretation. LOL

[lampost]

law enforcement may verify that you are a patient or caregiver, but they cannot go check up on your patient or your caregiver.

Why not? Why couldn't they raid you both at the same time if they thought something was going on?

The way I interpret the law is that you can grow 6 ONLY between you and your caregiver.

I've had a couple of dispensary employees give me the hard sell on caregivership telling me that I could still grow my plants! I don't know what I think about that practice...

[Klonzinc]

You can shop at any dispensary. They will each want to see a copy of your drivers license and your paperwork that you sent in to the state for the registration. They will accept your papers without the state MMJ ID card if you haven't got the card yet.

If you have a caregiver - you have basically assigned them as your grower. That person can grow up to 6 plants in your name. YOU may not grow anything if you've designated a caregiver. If you CANCEL that person as your caregiver - THEN you can grow your own 6 plants.

If YOU are the caregiver, then you can grow 6 plants for yourself and up to 6 plants for each patient. I think the plants must be 50% vegging and 50% flowering. Meaning it's against the law for you to veg all 6 of your plants at the same time and then flower all 6 at the same time. You're supposed to only veg 3 at once and only flower 3 at once. You can have all 6 growing at the same time, but 3 of them must be vegging and up to 3 can be flowing.


I guess I did not make myself clear on last post, just because you assign a caregiver does not mean you give up your right to grow, and yes you or your caregiver may only have 6 plants total. I have patients that grow in the summer and they notify me of how many plants they are doing and I remove that amount from my grow, so simple. I have been a patient and caregiver since Feb 2001 and been through the majority of interpertations of the law since then and I have seen so many changes it amazes me, I guess the thing that really is not understood by me is how the people have taken something so simle and complicate the hell out of it, I thought only our government did that.................lol

[TheReleafCenter]

I've talked to a few lawyers who say you can still raise an affirmative defense to grow if you have a caregiver. I'll try to get some clarification on that and post what I find.

[COzigzag]

mature flowering female is up for debate as well. mature is the day it is harvested, or the harvest window, which is a matter of days, not the entire time it is flowering.

Interesting interpretation. I guess I never thought of it that way. :thumbsup:

[PufferLungs]

I guess I did not make myself clear on last post, just because you assign a caregiver does not mean you give up your right to grow, and yes you or your caregiver may only have 6 plants total. I have patients that grow in the summer and they notify me of how many plants they are doing and I remove that amount from my grow, so simple. I have been a patient and caregiver since Feb 2001 and been through the majority of interpertations of the law since then and I have seen so many changes it amazes me, I guess the thing that really is not understood by me is how the people have taken something so simle and complicate the hell out of it, I thought only our government did that.................lol

You're splitting hairs, with regard to my post, my friend

I'll take part of the blame because I ASSUMED most people understood that when you designate a caregiver - that caregiver is most likely going to want to grow all 6 of your plants. I don't know a single grower who is willing to take on a patient and only grow 1 or 2 of that patients plants. In for a penny - in for a pound.

Thats what I was saying in my first post here. Once you assign a caregiver/grower - then they have control/care of your 6 plants.

You can't assign a caregiver to grow 6 plants for you and ALSO grow 6 plants in your home. At least thats how I understand it - and I don't think anybody will argue that. .......... wait a sec...... this IS an internet forum, isn't it? I'm just another dumb fucktard and you're all smarter than me....... right? ;)

As I understand the law:
you can grow 6 plants for yourself
you may not flower more than 3 at a time
if you pick a caregiver - they grow your 6 plants and you don't grow shit as long as they are growing for you

Flame suit on - come kick me in the nuts and pour gas on my head - you smart fuckers ;) ........ :S2::S2::S2:

Peace!
:jointsmile:

[HighPopalorum]

I've talked to a few lawyers who say you can still raise an affirmative defense to grow if you have a caregiver. I'll try to get some clarification on that and post what I find.

This is what I heard. I think it was on CPR Colorado Matters (http://www.kcfr.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=94). They've been covering this issue thoughtfully.

[senorx12562]

Since there is no controlling case law on any of these issues, and no statutory guidance as yet enacted, all of these issues are subject to interpretation. The parameters of amendment 20 are literally whatever the judge and/or jury decide they are at the end of a trial. This provides fuck-all actual guidance of course, and also means the result as applied to a particular fact situation will be completely different by geography and even before different judges in the same district. Even charging decisions made by DAs in different districts will be completely different. I think I prefer the certainty of continued illegality without the pretense of official sanction.

[Justabloke]

I've talked to a few lawyers who say you can still raise an affirmative defense to grow if you have a caregiver. I'll try to get some clarification on that and post what I find.

Hey RLC,

Did you ever get clarification on the grow amount?

Thanks
Bloke