New medical marijuana coop in Tacoma

[sacredoftacoma]

Come celebrate the Grand opening of

Sacred Plant Medicine of Tacoma
1208 Proctor St S. Tacoma, WA
11am - 6pm, Monday - Friday [no appointment needed]

Sacred is a member owned non-profit community supported agricultural project.
Mission: Our exclusive purpose is to help sustaining the legal â??medical use of marijuanaâ?� in accordance with RCW69.51A.

High Grade medical cannabis
Clones * Seeds * Cookies * Brownies
Ice Cream * tinctures * lotions

We are the exclusive Washington distributors of:

TGA/Sub Cool seeds
Seeds of Truth Genetics
West Coast Dreamery
Turtle's Medibles
Mary Jane's Herbals

Membership with be open to all American Heritage Medical, CBR medical,
Sentry Medical Group, THCF clinic and Olympia Patient Resource Center
members with a recognized Authorization or ID Card.

Sacred Plant Medicine | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Sacred-Plant-Medicine/315620442824?ref=mf)

SACRED

[killerweed420]

I'm going to try and swing by and pickup a couple samples.

[bridge4]

I was happy to be a first day sign-in. I enjoyed the experience.
The staff is friendly and is very attentive to your needs. Medicine
is dispensed as it should be like in old times, right there in front of
you. No prepackaging. You are helped individually and it's very
private. It was a very natural experience. Peace. :thumbsup:

[sacredoftacoma]

I was happy to be a first day sign-in. I enjoyed the experience.
The staff is friendly and is very attentive to your needs. Medicine
is dispensed as it should be like in old times, right there in front of
you. No prepackaging. You are helped individually and it's very
private. It was a very natural experience. Peace. :thumbsup:

:) Thanks Bridge4 and much love!!! :)

[Wenchy]

I have a card from a different organization than any of those listed and my authorization
form is signed by my general physician. Does this mean that I would not be able to visit
your store? Or could you email and I'll provide more specific info?
I also do web stuff - if you're in need of help there

[sacredoftacoma]

I have a card from a different organization than any of those listed and my authorization
form is signed by my general physician. Does this mean that I would not be able to visit
your store? Or could you email and I'll provide more specific info?
I also do web stuff - if you're in need of help there

short answer is NO... which card is it???

Sacred :)

[jjz2009]

my gf is a patient and has her card(sentry), and we live pretty close to you we are just wondering if you have a waiting room for me ( sure she goes in back 1 at a time ) shes just scared about the whole business thing and private island treats (cannacare) is just to far for us thanks we hopeto see you soon:)

[sacredoftacoma]

my gf is a patient and has her card(sentry), and we live pretty close to you we are just wondering if you have a waiting room for me ( sure she goes in back 1 at a time ) shes just scared about the whole business thing and private island treats (cannacare) is just to far for us thanks we hopeto see you soon:)

yes

[jjz2009]

thanks for the quick reply we dont need a apt? thnks what strains do u have do u have good edibles? those help my gf crohns more then smoking

[sacredoftacoma]

we dont need a apt? thnks what strains do u have do u have good edibles?

1. yes you do need an application... but you fill it out when you show up [quick and simply]

2. sorry you have to come in to see the menu

3. yes we have great Medibles [medical + edibles = Medibles]

Sacred :)

[Wenchy]

Lifevine? I didn't know they actually did a card, but yep I have one.
I previously had authorization through THCF but this year, my Dr. instead.

[sacredoftacoma]

[quote=Wenchy]Lifevine?[QUOTE]

yes we will except Lifevine ID cards as long as there not expired.

Sacred

[ospray83]

I live in vancouver and am a member of c.b.r. is there any where down here I can find meds or clones?

[sacredoftacoma]

I live in vancouver and am a member of c.b.r. is there any where down here I can find meds or clones?

not sure sorry!!! I know the Olympia Patient Resource Center has a list of providers not sure if the are close to you or not... good luck!!!

Sacred

[killerweed420]

Well I went to Sacred today and here is my review.
First is we all no these dispensaries are operating illegally but there is a geniune need for them so I have no problem with them operating.
When I showed up at Sacred I was asked to fill out there simple questionaire which is fine.
What isn't fine though is they do not accept legally signed doctor authorization forms. They aren't even close to trying to stay within the laws.
A card from a doc in a box is not legal proof of ANYTHING in Washington state. In order to be a legal MMJ patient you have to have a signed and dated copy of your MMJ authorization form. That is the only legal tender here in Washington. So because of that I wasn't able to buy any products there. I was looking forward to buying a couple ounces of a couple different strains to try out and maybe pickup some seeds.

People you need to read the state law, its a very simple law and easy to understand. Its bad enough that some people have to go to the black market to get there meds and its even worse when some of these establishments aren't even trying to stay close to the laws. Buyer beware as always.

[sacredoftacoma]

Well I went to Sacred today and here is my review.
First is we all no these dispensaries are operating illegally but there is a geniune need for them so I have no problem with them operating.
When I showed up at Sacred I was asked to fill out there simple questionaire which is fine.
What isn't fine though is they do not accept legally signed doctor authorization forms. They aren't even close to trying to stay within the laws.
A card from a doc in a box is not legal proof of ANYTHING in Washington state. In order to be a legal MMJ patient you have to have a signed and dated copy of your MMJ authorization form. That is the only legal tender here in Washington. So because of that I wasn't able to buy any products there. I was looking forward to buying a couple ounces of a couple different strains to try out and maybe pickup some seeds.

People you need to read the state law, its a very simple law and easy to understand. Its bad enough that some people have to go to the black market to get there meds and its even worse when some of these establishments aren't even trying to stay close to the laws. Buyer beware as always.

I'm sorry you didn't understand our procedure!!! and yes we do accept paper authorizations they just need to be verified 1st... and we do not directly contact doctors to verify as this would jeopardize them!!! As you have stated we are tolerated by local law enforcement so by contacting a doctor he would be Aiding and Abetting to provide cannabis to people which is illegal under federal law... [any doctor who is in direct contact with the cannabis provider is only risking lose of license/arrest].

As indicated by the Supreme Court of the United States, â??In order to aid and abet another to commit a crime it is necessary that a defendant 'in some sort associate himself with the venture, that he participate in it as in something that he wishes to bring about, that he seek by his action to make it succeed.â?� Nye & Nissen v. United States, 336 U.S. 613, 618 (1949) quoting Judge Learned Hand in U.S. v. Peoni 100 F.2d 401, 402 (2d. Cir. 1938).

I think calling the doctor to ask if he/she signed the authorization [Just so we can feel better about giving you access to medical cannabis] would qualify as Aiding and Abetting

Read what Drug Policy Alliance Network says about what a doctor can and can not do: Medical Marijuana Cases: Conant v. Walters (http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/medical/challenges/cases/conant/)

All you have to do to be able to visit us is go get your paper authorization verified by Olympia patient Resource Center or any other patient ID center.

Sorry if you still feel upset!!!

We feel that we are protecting the doctors license/freedom which in turn helps protect you.

Sacred

[WashougalWonder]

BUT you still are essentially a dispensary which is specifically not allowed in the law.

I feel this is bad (though very much needed) to be going outside the law. That lowers us to the same level we were before getting authorization.

I am all for dispensaries. They are needed. I also see the caretaker system works.

We could end up hurting our position as medical users to support something like this. I have been watching in particular Colorado, and they have a real mess with the dispensaries. California has so many I don't see how any can make money and I hear the quality of the product is decreasing because they just buy from any grower.

I commend the COOP on what they attempt to do, which is provide for patients in need that cannot, will not, or are unable to grow. BUT going outside the letter of the law is bad for the whole legalization process. WE MUST POLICE OURSELVES.

Sorry, I am sure I am upsetting many, but I sure as hell do not want to loose the legal use of such a wonderful medicine because other folks want to play outside the law.

[sacredoftacoma]

BUT you still are essentially a dispensary which is specifically not allowed in the law.

I feel this is bad (though very much needed) to be going outside the law. That lowers us to the same level we were before getting authorization.

I am all for dispensaries. They are needed. I also see the caretaker system works.

We could end up hurting our position as medical users to support something like this. I have been watching in particular Colorado, and they have a real mess with the dispensaries. California has so many I don't see how any can make money and I hear the quality of the product is decreasing because they just buy from any grower.

I commend the COOP on what they attempt to do, which is provide for patients in need that cannot, will not, or are unable to grow. BUT going outside the letter of the law is bad for the whole legalization process. WE MUST POLICE OURSELVES.

Sorry, I am sure I am upsetting many, but I sure as hell do not want to loose the legal use of such a wonderful medicine because other folks want to play outside the law.

FYI... We are a WA state Non-profit corporation [unlike many of the others] and have recieved a state master business/city license to provide safe access to medical cannabis, plus we have also recieved our nursery/seed/shop keeper licenses and have our scales register with the state. [Need proof come in and at a look at our licenses or go online to check our business status/licenses]

Plus what we are doing is not illegal it's a grey area and we have been in contact with Tacoma PAO Lindquist who has stated that he is not interested in legitimate medical marijuana patients helping each other... then back up that statement publicly in the newspaper.

So please I wouldn't worry about loosing the legal use of such a wonderful medicine do to our actions!!! the 10th ammendment of the US constitution gives you/us the right [and once you have a right to do something it is harder to take away!]

Sacred

[killerweed420]

I'm sorry you didn't understand our procedure!!! and yes we do accept paper authorizations they just need to be verified 1st... and we do not directly contact doctors to verify as this would jeopardize them!!! As you have stated we are tolerated by local law enforcement so by contacting a doctor he would be Aiding and Abetting to provide cannabis to people which is illegal under federal law... [any doctor who is in direct contact with the cannabis provider is only risking lose of license/arrest].

As indicated by the Supreme Court of the United States, “In order to aid and abet another to commit a crime it is necessary that a defendant 'in some sort associate himself with the venture, that he participate in it as in something that he wishes to bring about, that he seek by his action to make it succeed.” Nye & Nissen v. United States, 336 U.S. 613, 618 (1949) quoting Judge Learned Hand in U.S. v. Peoni 100 F.2d 401, 402 (2d. Cir. 1938).

I think calling the doctor to ask if he/she signed the authorization [Just so we can feel better about giving you access to medical cannabis] would qualify as Aiding and Abetting

Read what Drug Policy Alliance Network says about what a doctor can and can not do: Medical Marijuana Cases: Conant v. Walters (http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/medical/challenges/cases/conant/)

All you have to do to be able to visit us is go get your paper authorization verified by Olympia patient Resource Center or any other patient ID center.

Sorry if you still feel upset!!!

We feel that we are protecting the doctors license/freedom which in turn helps protect you.

Sacred

But that makes no sense. A signed dated medical authorization is the only legal document allowed in Washington. The cards mean nothing. I could have made me up a card at home and laminated it. If you have to verify an authorization form then you have to verify a card and there's only one way to verify eother and thats by calling the doctors office. Are you having Jeremy call the doctors offfice just to have a cut out?

[sacredoftacoma]

But that makes no sense. A signed dated medical authorization is the only legal document allowed in Washington. The cards mean nothing. I could have made me up a card at home and laminated it. If you have to verify an authorization form then you have to verify a card and there's only one way to verify eother and thats by calling the doctors office. Are you having Jeremy call the doctors offfice just to have a cut out?

As you state "A signed dated medical authorization is the only legal document allowed in Washington"

Please read RCW69.51A.010 section(5)

(5) "Valid documentation" means:

(a) A statement signed by a qualifying patient's physician, or a copy of the qualifying patient's pertinent medical records, which states that, in the physician's professional opinion, the patient may benefit from the medical use of marijuana;

(b) Proof of identity such as a Washington state driver's license or identicard, as defined in RCW 46.20.035; and

(c) A copy of the physician statement described in (a) of this subsection shall have the same force and effect as the signed original.

So I ask you to explain how is a hard or laminate card issued is not valid documentation??? Does it not have all the required information???

In my opinon a paper note is easier to forge [I could have just faked the note in the car before entering] A hard or laminate card is alot more visibly identifiable as legitimate or fake.

Once again sorry you are upset!!! :)

Sacred

[killerweed420]

I don't see anything about a card being legal tender listed there. Its far safer to have the doctors signed MMJ authorization form. And anything can easily be forged in this day and age. Like I said I could easily forge a MJ card here at home in 15 minutes and laminate it. I realize the cards are more convienient to carry than a folded up copy of an MMJ authorization but I try to stay as legal as I can considering the vague laws.

[sacredoftacoma]

I don't see anything about a card being legal tender listed there. Its far safer to have the doctors signed MMJ authorization form. And anything can easily be forged in this day and age. Like I said I could easily forge a MJ card here at home in 15 minutes and laminate it. I realize the cards are more convienient to carry than a folded up copy of an MMJ authorization but I try to stay as legal as I can considering the vague laws.

If having a paper authorization makes you feel safer that is great news!!! But the reallity is... it is up to the officer if he likes your authorization or not... in my opinion a hard or laminate card that is visibly recognizable by LEO is a good thing it helps with patient protection [what if it's late at night or your doctor is closed???]

Once again all patients with a paper authorization have to do to be able to visit us is go get their paper authorizations verified as legitimate by Olympia patient Resource Center or any other patient ID center.

Sorry if you still feel upset!!!

We feel that we are protecting the doctors license/freedom which in turn helps protect patients.

Sacred

[gypski]

I have a signed, blue ink for Doc's signature and my information just like the original copy of my authorization shrunk down to credit card size with no expiration date. It shows my name, etc and the doc's signature on the front and the risk benefits on the back. And its laminated by me. I also have a card from The Religion of Jesus Christ, aka The Wormhole that's laminated. Do these qualify with you? I also carry in my vehicle an authorization copy with attached supporting medical documents to back my cards up. So, will this qualify me with you? I know, the Wormhole has never questioned me about how valid my authorization is. :what::confused:

[imjussayn]

So this is the deal" what they are really"not telling" you is , yes all u need is your recomendation from your DR, but the reason that is not good enough for them is simply because they want to charge u for one of the"fancy" 75$ they sell,,, save yourself the frustration amd grief " not to mention the disapointment" and go to one of the other guys as u will see they do not try and gouge an extra 75$ for nothing other then to pad there pockets just a little bit more, Ive called around in tacoma and all they require is your DR recomendation,yep thats it,call around dont get screwed

[imjussayn]

I guess thats what I get for bloggin while drivin, what I ment was 75$ for one of there fancy cards,, buddy went to 420 and all they asked for was his DR note, might wanna call and make sure but thats what he said , also called green cross and they said the same.

[sacredoftacoma]

Sorry if you do not like our policies... you are free to go where you wish [of course] I was just informing people about our group.

also to my knowledge Olympia Patient Resource Center does not charge $75 for it's Id card [maybe your are thinking of a different patient ID card center] The OPRC only charges a $40 donation [plus the card has other benefits that come with it... such as a 15% discount at the OPRC]

Sacred

[WashougalWonder]

Sacred,
Ya, well loopholes exist all over, you make me perceive that you are more interested in financial gain than promoting the advance of medical cannabis use. Skirting around the law playing with loopholes pisses of cops and lawmakers.

I wish you best and hope no true patients get damaged.

[sacredoftacoma]

Sacred,
Ya, well loopholes exist all over, you make me perceive that you are more interested in financial gain than promoting the advance of medical cannabis use. Skirting around the law playing with loopholes pisses of cops and lawmakers.

I wish you best and hope no true patients get damaged.

Sorry you perceive our interest as purely financial... Sacred Plant Medicnie is a Non profit WA business.

Sacred

[justpics]

sacred medicine is smart for not calling the doctor's office to verify. Read Conant v Walters and what that decision meant. A summary would be that it says doctors can recommend marijuana as part of their free speech in states with MMJ laws, but they can't help the patient find or get medicine in any way. Confirming a patient so they can get medicine is helping.


A third party that doesn't provide patients with medicine can confirm with a doctor and the doctor is not helping anyone get medicine.

Sacred can then verify with that third party, and no doctors put their license in jeopardy.

The fact that green cross not only verifies with doctors, but has the doctor do so through the faxing of a signed official green cross document is placing every doctor that has verified with green cross in the position of losing their license. Wanna shut down the WA MMJ program over night? Get the license of every doc willing to write a recommendation.


Kudos to sacred for being smarter than the rest of 'em :thumbsup:

[sacredoftacoma]

Sacred,
Ya, well loopholes exist all over, you make me perceive that you are more interested in financial gain than promoting the advance of medical cannabis use. Skirting around the law playing with loopholes pisses of cops and lawmakers.

I wish you best and hope no true patients get damaged.

WashougalWonder I get a kick out of you calling us scared LMAO!!! because it is obvious we are far from scared... Here's our address 1208 S. Proctor Tacoma, WA

Maybe you should ask the other guys if they are scared!!! and why the don't post there address or why they need to verifiy??? Could it be they are worried about being raided cuz they are operating illegally???

[sacredoftacoma]

sacred medicine is smart for not calling the doctor's office to verify. Read Conant v Walters and what that decision meant. A summary would be that it says doctors can recommend marijuana as part of their free speech in states with MMJ laws, but they can't help the patient find or get medicine in any way. Confirming a patient so they can get medicine is helping.


A third party that doesn't provide patients with medicine can confirm with a doctor and the doctor is not helping anyone get medicine.

Sacred can then verify with that third party, and no doctors put their license in jeopardy.

The fact that green cross not only verifies with doctors, but has the doctor do so through the faxing of a signed official green cross document is placing every doctor that has verified with green cross in the position of losing their license. Wanna shut down the WA MMJ program over night? Get the license of every doc willing to write a recommendation.


Kudos to sacred for being smarter than the rest of 'em :thumbsup:

Thanks and Much Love justpics!!! You seems to be the only one here to understand our policies... We are very much worried about protecting doctors/patients!!!

Unlike like the others... who just want to verify so the can feel better about allowing patient safe access to medical cannabis not caring that the doctor could lose his/her freedom/license [not to mention null and void all the Mj authorizations signed by them]

Our goal is to creating a new standard here in Washington for MMJ coops/dispensaries [not just monkey see, monkey do] We have had our attorney working on this project for 2 years... every detail has been looked over.


Sacred

[killerweed420]

And your absolutely right. You have the right to run your business anyway you feel. I think we're just going a little overboard here on trying to stay legal when obviously there is nothing legal about dispensaries in Washington.
I just want people to understand that simple fact so they can make an educated decision on whether to use a dispensary or not.

[sacredoftacoma]

And your absolutely right. You have the right to run your business anyway you feel. I think we're just going a little overboard here on trying to stay legal when obviously there is nothing legal about dispensaries in Washington.
I just want people to understand that simple fact so they can make an educated decision on whether to use a dispensary or not.

I would also like to point out that there is nothing illegal about coop/dispensaries in Washington... they are just not clearly defined in law. [We have all state and city licenses... which we could not get if it were illegal to operate.]

But your point is 100% correct... patients should educate themselves and be safe in all the decisions they make involing mmj or their freedom!

Sacred

[WashougalWonder]

Sacred...Got it that time :jointsmile:, man what can I say, dyslexic stoned fingers. Please I know damn good and well you are not scared. LOL

So sorry about that.

Hang in there, someone has to do it.

[gypski]

What I find puzzling with your argument about verifying through the doctors office, in no way endangers the doctor. He is only verifying that the person has a valid authorization, and in no way is it helping a person acquire medicine. Its no different then LEO calling to verify. :jointsmile:

[WashougalWonder]

I can certainly see Sacred wanting to verify the documents if it isn't one of the major clinics and such where they would know the names and signatures of the doctors.

As a caretaker I required the person I assist to provide me with his doctors statement and some of his documented medical history that constitutes the valid medical condition and his statement giving me authorization. Take no chances.

Regardless if skirting with disaster and loopholes, calling or contacting docs does verify. Like Gypski says tho, that will have no more effect on their license than the written documents do.

But it is oxymoronic to me to be so damn careful one way and taking such risk another. I guess that is why I am an old fart.:stoned:
:stoned:I am wasted, I hope that made sense:stoned::stoned:

[sacredoftacoma]

But it is oxymoronic to me to be so damn careful one way and taking such risk another. I guess that is why I am an old fart.:stoned: :stoned:I am wasted, I hope that made sense:stoned::stoned:

Perfect sensi!!!

We do it to protect Patients/Doctors... [not our own butts]:)


Sacred

[imjussayn]

So are you saying that you are the only dispensery thats operating"legally" in the state of WA? because thats what Im hearing, and funny that you say you canr verify with the DR and thats why you ask that we get a "50$" laminated card,well my friends I know for a fact that they do verify because I have sat in the office and listened to the phone calls????? so please my friend make up your mind? do you verify or not? and again why is that we need your fancy card? come on now think of a better one this time??

[sacredoftacoma]

What I find puzzling with your argument about verifying through the doctors office, in no way endangers the doctor. He is only verifying that the person has a valid authorization, and in no way is it helping a person acquire medicine. Its no different then LEO calling to verify. :jointsmile:

Why is it puzzling??? "He is only verifying that the person has a valid authorization" to the source of a federally illegal drug which helps that person to acquire it... in my opinion it seems alot different then verifying to LEO to help keep a patient out of jail.

Maybe your right??? but why risk it???

Sacred

[sacredoftacoma]

funny that you say you canr verify with the DR and thats why you ask that we get a "50$" laminated card,well my friends I know for a fact that they do verify because I have sat in the office and listened to the phone calls????? so please my friend make up your mind? do you verify or not? and again why is that we need your fancy card? come on now think of a better one this time??

???What??? If this was true why did killerweed420 have trouble with his paper authorization??? Are you sure your talking about Sacred Plant Medicine???

[gypski]

Why is it puzzling??? "He is only verifying that the person has a valid authorization" to the source of a federally illegal drug which helps that person to acquire it... in my opinion it seems alot different then verifying to LEO to help keep a patient out of jail.

Maybe your right??? but why risk it???

Sacred

You are providing a legal medicine according to 69.51, so why bother about the feds??? If you are complying with the IRS, they have no reason to bother you. And if your medicine is Washington grown, they have no reason to bother you. I have no knowledge of a DEA raid on any Washington medical grower or co-op or dispensary. At least not to this date. :thumbsup:

[sacredoftacoma]

You are providing a legal medicine according to 69.51, so why bother about the feds??? If you are complying with the IRS, they have no reason to bother you. And if your medicine is Washington grown, they have no reason to bother you. I have no knowledge of a DEA raid on any Washington medical grower or co-op or dispensary. At least not to this date. :thumbsup:

They Feds are the only real concern!!! To think Washington medical growers, co-ops, or dispensaries won't see Federal raids is a joke!

Sacred

[jamessr]

I would also like to point out that there is nothing illegal about coop/dispensaries in Washington... they are just not clearly defined in law. [We have all state and city licenses... which we could not get if it were illegal to operate.]

But your point is 100% correct... patients should educate themselves and be safe in all the decisions they make involing mmj or their freedom!

Sacred

I hate too burst your bubble here but, yes you can get licensed by the state too operate an illegal business. It only comes to their attention when someone makes a complaint about the business itself. The pot docs clinics in washington are operating illegaly and all have the states business lic. to do so. To verify what I am saying go to Tacoma, WA Medical Marijuana - North End Club 420 (http://www.northendclub420.com) , go to the cannabis law and activism section>corporate practice of medicine.

This section has most of the case law in Washington which shows the pot-docs are aiding and abetting already, so the excuse of protecting from this is horse poop. Sacred stop the spin people, get real and admit ya all are glorified drug dealers not on street corners but, in buildings claiming to be legal. WHICH IS NOT A GREY AREA IN ANY CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE LAW OF ANY STATE. It is a strict liability law...no excuses except as authorized by law, i.e. prescription or valid order of a practitioner. Any claimed charge is only ameliorated by an authorized document or medical records defined in rcw 69.51A et. seq....if a clinic is not doing business as authorized by law, then the authorizations on your list are null and void, only a regular Dr. doing business in the normal practice for a legitimate purpose would meet your policies.

Care to try again???

[sacredoftacoma]

I hate too burst your bubble here but, yes you can get licensed by the state too operate an illegal business. It only comes to their attention when someone makes a complaint about the business itself. The pot docs clinics in washington are operating illegaly and all have the states business lic. to do so. To verify what I am saying go to Tacoma, WA Medical Marijuana - North End Club 420 (http://www.northendclub420.com) , go to the cannabis law and activism section>corporate practice of medicine.

This section has most of the case law in Washington which shows the pot-docs are aiding and abetting already, so the excuse of protecting from this is horse poop. Sacred stop the spin people, get real and admit ya all are glorified drug dealers not on street corners but, in buildings claiming to be legal. WHICH IS NOT A GREY AREA IN ANY CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE LAW OF ANY STATE. It is a strict liability law...no excuses except as authorized by law, i.e. prescription or valid order of a practitioner. Any claimed charge is only ameliorated by an authorized document or medical records defined in rcw 69.51A et. seq....if a clinic is not doing business as authorized by law, then the authorizations on your list are null and void, only a regular Dr. doing business in the normal practice for a legitimate purpose would meet your policies.

Care to try again???

You should pay to talk to an attorney???

Sacred

[imjussayn]

:As I have learned today sacred and olympia pmc are one in the same,as I guess we all could have figured this out, I think that what Im hearing is jeremy himself is a little ambivilant as to his own policy,you are doing nobody any due diligance by the way you operate your cash cow,sounds to me like duplicity is your main are of excellence, you just cant seem to make up your mind as to the reasons you do what you do? and are you kidding me by stating that you are the only legit resourse ctr? Im sure the folks have also figured out that one as well"is someone in the pocket of the dea? my advice to you would be to go ahead answer all the questions but stop the bull""" reasons as to why you do it,
what really gets me is to see that you continue your argument as to verifying with the doc?? dude Ive sat and listened to you do it??

[justpics]

What I find puzzling with your argument about verifying through the doctors office, in no way endangers the doctor. He is only verifying that the person has a valid authorization, and in no way is it helping a person acquire medicine. Its no different then LEO calling to verify. :jointsmile:

So verifying with a cannabis dispensary doesnt knowingly, "help" the patient find medicine?


Let's look at this logically.

"Help
â??verb (used with object)
1.
to give or provide what is necessary to accomplish a task or satisfy a need"

You are providing the patient with verification to a medical cannabis dispensary. Through this action the doctor office has knowingly provided what is necessary to accomplish the task of getting medicine. By definition you have knowingly helped the patient get medicine.

That's pretty clear, and would leave the doctor open to losing their license under Conant v. Walters.





On the other hand you have an independent group verify with a doctor's office that does nothing but verify. The doctor hasn't knowingly helped the patient to do anything except be able to verify through a third party. The doctor is at no risk here.


I don't know why this is not already the standard practice among medical dispensaries. To put doctor's at risk for no reason except you don't want patients to have to deal with 3rd party verification is nonsensical.

[sacredoftacoma]

So verifying with a cannabis dispensary doesnt knowingly, "help" the patient find medicine?


Let's look at this logically.

"Help
â??verb (used with object)
1.
to give or provide what is necessary to accomplish a task or satisfy a need"

You are providing the patient with verification to a medical cannabis dispensary. Through this action the doctor office has knowingly provided what is necessary to accomplish the task of getting medicine. By definition you have knowingly helped the patient get medicine.

That's pretty clear, and would leave the doctor open to losing their license under Conant v. Walters.





On the other hand you have an independent group verify with a doctor's office that does nothing but verify. The doctor hasn't knowingly helped the patient to do anything except be able to verify through a third party. The doctor is at no risk here.


I don't know why this is not already the standard practice among medical dispensaries. To put doctor's at risk for no reason except you don't want patients to have to deal with 3rd party verification is nonsensical.

I feel this will become the new standard here in Washington

Sacred

[jamessr]

You should pay to talk to an attorney???

Sacred

I suggest you fire yours and get a real lawyer who knows wtf they are talking about. READ THE CASE LAW before ya pay an attorney to lie their ass off for profit of their own business. HELLO, that's their job silly. and I have paid many a lawyers to lie to me only for me to shove it up their cazoo for the wrong advise.

If you can't read case law, then I suggest you find a different profession cause your safety and ours relies on you understanding the laws of the profession, not your lawyers.....

I would hate too have to be the guy that shuts your doors for being an idiot in our industry.......get the picture????

[jamessr]

sacred medicine is smart for not calling the doctor's office to verify. Read Conant v Walters and what that decision meant. A summary would be that it says doctors can recommend marijuana as part of their free speech in states with MMJ laws, but they can't help the patient find or get medicine in any way. Confirming a patient so they can get medicine is helping.


A third party that doesn't provide patients with medicine can confirm with a doctor and the doctor is not helping anyone get medicine.



Sacred can then verify with that third party, and no doctors put their license in jeopardy.

The fact that green cross not only verifies with doctors, but has the doctor do so through the faxing of a signed official green cross document is placing every doctor that has verified with green cross in the position of losing their license. Wanna shut down the WA MMJ program over night? Get the license of every doc willing to write a recommendation.


Kudos to sacred for being smarter than the rest of 'em :thumbsup:

This is just another version of how a conspiracy works justpics. Conant v. Walters is in my opinion is highly relevant here to sacred, regardless of how they try too fashion it.

[gypski]

So verifying with a cannabis dispensary doesnt knowingly, "help" the patient find medicine?


Let's look at this logically.

"Help
â??verb (used with object)
1.
to give or provide what is necessary to accomplish a task or satisfy a need"

You are providing the patient with verification to a medical cannabis dispensary. Through this action the doctor office has knowingly provided what is necessary to accomplish the task of getting medicine. By definition you have knowingly helped the patient get medicine.

That's pretty clear, and would leave the doctor open to losing their license under Conant v. Walters.





On the other hand you have an independent group verify with a doctor's office that does nothing but verify. The doctor hasn't knowingly helped the patient to do anything except be able to verify through a third party. The doctor is at no risk here.


I don't know why this is not already the standard practice among medical dispensaries. To put doctor's at risk for no reason except you don't want patients to have to deal with 3rd party verification is nonsensical.

Verification is not totally necessary. During Hempfest, there was a tent for mmj people to medicate. You had to show an authorization to get in. I looked at authorizations, and let people in by what I saw. If they were not valid, it was on them, not me for presenting a fake document. But, it never came to that, and I was helping them medicate in a safe area during a public event. And, I couldn't call the docs to verify. LEOs using fake authorizations would be considered entrapment in a real court, and use by a civilian would be a crime on the presenter, not the provider. Where in the law does it state you have to verify? When a teen buys cigarettes and presents a fake ID does the seller call DMV to verify the picture? NO. Same with credit card fraud. Its on the buyer, not the seller to prove if they are valid if they are popped. :D

[killerweed420]

Yep. An authorization is all thats required. You're not really doing anything by trying to call and verify. Its a felony to alter medical document for health purposes.
And ltes be realistic here too. No dispensary can ever be in compliance federally because its illegal federally and plus no dispensary can meet the legal requirements for filing income taxes. Are they going to keep receipts from there suppliers?lol I think not.
So just sell your product, there are people that need a safe way to get there meds and be prepared for the inevitable kick in the door. Be smart and hide the income and keep only a minimal amount of product and cash on site.

[Club420]

Technically, I guess we're competitors. But, I see no reason we can't cooperate for the greater good.

Together we stand...

[sacredoftacoma]

Technically, I guess we're competitors. But, I see no reason we can't cooperate for the greater good.

Together we stand...

I don't feel we should use the word competitors when talking about helping patients!!! and would love to cooperate for the greater good!!!

Together we stand... Amen!

Sacred

[Club420]

Nice... :cool:

I'll be at the club tomorrow. I don't wanna spam up your thread with our info, but I don't imagine a phone number will hurt too bad: 253-472-0770

Ask for long-haired Mike and you'll get me. But, we have an abundance of Mikes at the club. The other day, there were five Mikes hanging out... kinda ridiculous when there are only eight people in the whole place and one of them is a female!

[jamessr]

We should all stand together for the greater good but, on a solid foundation, not the one we have set up now. It is not solid and has too many holes in it.;)

[kballl]

:thumbsup:Just stopped by to take a look around earlier today....I am VERY impressed! You guys are extreamley knowledgeable with your trade in all aspects! Nice, cozzy and inviting place to visit. Congrats on the opening, great job!

[mistreater]

Hi, my husband is a medical marijuana patient, we live in Washington, do you have a number we can contact you on. We are interested in visiting your clinic but have a few questions before we drive over that way.
Thank you

[sacredoftacoma]

Hi, my husband is a medical marijuana patient, we live in Washington, do you have a number we can contact you on. We are interested in visiting your clinic but have a few questions before we drive over that way.
Thank you

Sorry we don't have a phone #

Sacred

[sacredoftacoma]

You can also contact us via our new website check it out... http://www.sacredofwashington.com (http://www.sacredofwashington.com/)

Sacred

[jamessr]

Sacred,

Your policies are a bit interesting. If I don't use a pot-doc clinic I will not be allowed any accommodations under RCW 69.51A et.seq.? I find this a bit discriminatory since my regular attending physician is the sole owner/operator of his health care business. The clinics you list do not fall within our states laws to lawful render business in wa. state.

Please explain.

[sacredoftacoma]

I'm sorry you didn't understand our procedure!!! and yes we do accept paper authorizations they just need to be verified 1st... and we do not directly contact doctors to verify as this would jeopardize them!!! As you have stated we are tolerated by local law enforcement so by contacting a doctor he would be Aiding and Abetting to provide cannabis to people which is illegal under federal law... [any doctor who is in direct contact with the cannabis provider is only risking lose of license/arrest].

As indicated by the Supreme Court of the United States, â??In order to aid and abet another to commit a crime it is necessary that a defendant 'in some sort associate himself with the venture, that he participate in it as in something that he wishes to bring about, that he seek by his action to make it succeed.â?� Nye & Nissen v. United States, 336 U.S. 613, 618 (1949) quoting Judge Learned Hand in U.S. v. Peoni 100 F.2d 401, 402 (2d. Cir. 1938).

I think calling the doctor to ask if he/she signed the authorization [Just so we can feel better about giving you access to medical cannabis] would qualify as Aiding and Abetting

Read what Drug Policy Alliance Network says about what a doctor can and can not do: Medical Marijuana Cases: Conant v. Walters (http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/medical/challenges/cases/conant/)

All you have to do to be able to visit us is go get your paper authorization verified by Olympia patient Resource Center or any other patient ID center.

Sorry if you still feel upset!!!

We feel that we are protecting the doctors license/freedom which in turn helps protect you.

Sacred

answer

[jamessr]

Sacred,

Thank you for pointing out I am also blind.lol

So what other patient verification stations are there besides Jeremy??. And thank you for answering.....how long does it take to get verified? hrs.? days? min.? from the time I fax from my end.?

[sacredoftacoma]

Sacred,

Thank you for pointing out I am also blind.lol

So what other patient verification stations are there besides Jeremy??. And thank you for answering.....how long does it take to get verified? hrs.? days? min.? from the time I fax from my end.?

There was 1 in Seattle and 1 in Tacoma but not sure if they are still around? Haven't seen any other verification cards besides OPRC coming in recently.

Would love to find out so we can refer people to them!!! Let me know if you hear of any???

Sacred

[sacredoftacoma]

There was 1 in Seattle and 1 in Tacoma but not sure if they are still around? Haven't seen any other verification cards besides OPRC coming in recently.

Would love to find out so we can refer people to them!!! Let me know if you hear of any???

Sacred

Can't believe I forgot to mention Spocannabis in Eastern WA http://www.spocannabis.org/

I will update as I hear of more groups doing paitient verification cards

Sacred

[jamessr]

Thank you so kindly.:thumbsup:

[Stonersteve13]

I'm in the process of getting my card through the green door Seattle, what would I need to do in order to come to your shop?