Help a guy out please...

[devilcowboy3]

Hello all... Me again. Having a problem with the crop. I dont know what it is. I am using a mix of Black Gold soils. All organic. Water is around 6ph. Under a 400w light about 20 inches to 24 inches off the canopy. They are in 5 gallon buckets. I use Humboldt Nutes all organic series. I think thats all the basics.
As you can see from the pictures, The stems are a deep purple. The leaves are turning white starting from the middle of the leave by the veins. There was no new growth for a little while til i went to the store...
I thought it was a Nitrogen and or Mag deficeincy so i got some magpro and bat shit :postexcuseme: from the store. That seemed to help a little bit.
Now there is new growth... it is green for a day or so, then purple streaks up and down... then deep purple. The new leaves are light green and never darken up some eventually bleaching out like mentioned before. It spreads across two strains in my room so i think its water, soil or nutes... Please give me your inputs... Peanut gallery ... OPEN SaYS ME DAMMIT:rasta:

[jakester]

I would flush, let em dry and repeat to see if you have some buildup issues. It looks like too much something or not enough something....I know big help I am. :rolleyes:

[Faddenator]

Jake, you sure a flush is the best idea? I know you're usually right, but I thought deep purple stems was a phosphorus deficiency, so Im not sureflushing is the best idea. I believe phosphorus is easy to lock out as well, so maybe you want to bump that ph up to 6.5.

It could also be your temperature. too low and theyll go purp.

[WashougalWonder]

Jake, you sure a flush is the best idea? I know you're usually right, but I thought deep purple stems was a phosphorus deficiency, so Im not sureflushing is the best idea. I believe phosphorus is easy to lock out as well, so maybe you want to bump that ph up to 6.5.

It could also be your temperature. too low and theyll go purp.

I agree with both statements. Also consider IRON deficiency

[Rusty Trichome]

Might want to add more perlite to your potting mix next time. Especially if in 5 gallon buckets. They'll retain moisture and you'll risk root rot. I drill 1/2" holes in the sides of the bucket(s) to help with moisture control.

What's your day/night temps?

Do you know what that particular soil is buffered to? Mulches are generally buffered between 5.5 and 6.0ish. Potting mixes are generally buffered to 6.8 to 7.0ish. If using a mulch, you'll be chasing the ph till harvest.

Purpling of the stems and petioles can be from a few different things. PO4 defeniency, temperatures, and phenotype of the strain are the biggest sources. Some strains do have purple genetics buried in their past, and this expression can pop-up once in a while.

Careful with any magnesium product. Overuse can and will lock-out nutrient uptake. (possible cause of the additional purpling?)

All organic is soooo overrated, but that's likely for another thread. :thumbsup:

[jakester]

Jake, you sure a flush is the best idea? I know you're usually right, but I thought deep purple stems was a phosphorus deficiency, so Im not sureflushing is the best idea. I believe phosphorus is easy to lock out as well, so maybe you want to bump that ph up to 6.5.

It could also be your temperature. too low and theyll go purp.Well, from what I understand, if the salts are built up to the point that the plants roots are not able to get what they need from the soil you would have all sorts of deficiencies. I usually recommend starting with a flush because it's the least likely thing to add to the problem. Most people who use nutrients in soil don't flush adequately fearing overwatering. I think a problem with soil and nutrients is that the PH swings too far. I know you are told that a target PH of 6.8 is best but that really means that from wet to dry your PH is swinging around that number. When you have excessive salts your electrical potential in the soil swings too wildly from your watering to dry out. So it will spend less time at the neutral range giving the plant time to absorb what it needs. If you flush out the salts to some degree you neutralize the swing range. Most people try to just look up the plant symptom and add what it needs but things are rarely that simple. A good flush and some time to dry out will tell you a lot about what the plant wants. Of course seeing the roots is also an important tool.

Just my take, I am probably going to be corrected by someone and I look forward to it.:thumbsup: I am here to learn.

[jakester]

All organic is soooo overrated, but that's likely for another thread. :thumbsup:I am starting to agree with you. I have been doing organic gardening for years but it's not something I recommend to people indoors with little gardening experience. The perfect organic garden has fungus, bugs and life galore, not really a great philosophy in a closet. Organic gardeners outdoors plant 20-30% extra just to GIVE to the wildlife. If you have a space 2'X3'X8' to work with this is NOT going to be an option.

Keep it simple. Organic is more than just a style of garden product that you can purchase. 95% of growers would have better luck with a simple bag of MG.

[scrumby]

Looks cold to me, some strains don't like temps even just below 60 Fahrenheit.

[jakester]

Looks cold to me, some strains don't like temps even just below 60 Fahrenheit.I just noticed he's in Wash. Could be right about the temps.

[Faddenator]

Well, from what I understand, if the salts are built up to the point that the plants roots are not able to get what they need from the soil you would have all sorts of deficiencies. I usually recommend starting with a flush because it's the least likely thing to add to the problem. Most people who use nutrients in soil don't flush adequately fearing overwatering. I think a problem with soil and nutrients is that the PH swings too far. I know you are told that a target PH of 6.8 is best but that really means that from wet to dry your PH is swinging around that number. When you have excessive salts your electrical potential in the soil swings too wildly from your watering to dry out. So it will spend less time at the neutral range giving the plant time to absorb what it needs. If you flush out the salts to some degree you neutralize the swing range. Most people try to just look up the plant symptom and add what it needs but things are rarely that simple. A good flush and some time to dry out will tell you a lot about what the plant wants. Of course seeing the roots is also an important tool.

Just my take, I am probably going to be corrected by someone and I look forward to it.:thumbsup: I am here to learn.

Very good point(s). I think I'm gonna go flush haha. haven't done so in a while, I wouldnt doubt If I got salts on salts in my soil.

Thanks for the reminder :jointsmile:

[devilcowboy3]

So, I thought i mentioned all important info... guess i forgot a couple things. damn potheads :jointsmile:. SO, I had flushed them, two and a half weeks of straight water 1.5 gallons each watering and watered when they needed it probably 4 or 5 times. Then i went to the store, added my CRAZY (bat) shit and magpro. Thats where we are now. The temps shouldnt be a problem. Until they get nice looking i am keeping them vegging in my 4x4x7 tent 24 hours of light. the room stays between 78 and 84, just within the last week or so, it has creeped above to 87, 88 with the freaky weather we have.
I did notice that the bat poo i bought might have been mis-labeled? Ill post a pic... The top sticker said bat poo, high in nitrogen 10-6-2... Then i wondered why there was a sticker, pulled it off.... Lo and behold, Its the High phos bat poo... lower nitrogen content at 6-10-2... Maybe thats not helping?

Also, Myself and a buddy have had one of the strains for a little while. Its Purple Thunder... The other i got from a contact up here and i cant get a history or anything but its supposed to be a Orange Kush

[jakester]

So, I thought i mentioned all important info... guess i forgot a couple things. damn potheads :jointsmile:. SO, I had flushed them, two and a half weeks of straight water 1.5 gallons each watering and watered when they needed it probably 4 or 5 times. Just to be clear, you "flushed" them with 1.5 gallons of plain water at a time or you flushed them, with say 10 gallons or more a and then gave them water in 1.5 gal amounts?

Flushing is a lot more than just giving them plain water, it's a complete rinse of double (or more) the pot size in water.

If you flush with 1.5 gal you just wet the salt crystals until the next time they dry out again and again. Then you add something else to the mix and things are going to get wacky in that soil.

[aquanaut]

Looks like Cal-Mag deficiency I was combating for a while. I flushed and then watered with CalMag+ as per label and my plants started to green up in a day.

:twocents:

[devilcowboy3]

I dont have a whole lot of room to work with. I water first with 2 gallons of water ( about 2 to 3 times what i usually use to water them) then wait for 10 15 mins and water them with 5 gallons of water ( I hate filling up a 5 gallon bucket and lugging it from the tub to the bedroom twice and it seems like more would just hold too much water in the soil to me)... That is my flush, then for 2 more weeks ( it took about a 5 or 6 days for the soil to dry out from the flush ) i water with plain water 1.5 gallons ( .5 gals to wet the soil and the other gallon to push any little thing out). I ended the flush 3.5 weeks or so ago and then the plain water cycle i ended a week or so ago. Then (about a week ago) I added my poop and magpro. Now we are here... at the pics and previous post... Keep em coming guys, my girls lifes depend on you... No pressure :yeahright:

[Rusty Trichome]

Well, from what I understand, if the salts are built up to the point that the plants roots are not able to get what they need from the soil you would have all sorts of deficiencies. Yup. Since most nutrients are salts, they tend to build-up. This causes ph swings and lockout. (yellowing, stunted growth...underperforming in general)


I usually recommend starting with a flush because it's the least likely thing to add to the problem. Most people who use nutrients in soil don't flush adequately fearing overwatering.
I use Fox Farms 3-pack, and since it's notorious for salt build-up, I do preventative flushes monthly, on a schedule. About one gallon of properly ph'd water per gallon of pot size.

Do not overflush on a consistent basis. (every week is way too much...)
Overflushing will also flush-away the buffers (limestone, quartz, (silicates) lime...) in the soil, which will also cause wild ph swings.



I am starting to agree with you. I have been doing organic gardening for years but it's not something I recommend to people indoors with little gardening experience. Tends to be a tad 'hot' and harder to dial-in.


Keep it simple. Organic is more than just a style of garden product that you can purchase. 95% of growers would have better luck with a simple bag of MG. Yup.



So, I thought i mentioned all important info... guess i forgot a couple things. Tiz why someone went through all the trouble of making a troubleshooting form. So some mambers have a guide to follow, and perhaps, save their plants.


SO, I had flushed them, two and a half weeks of straight water 1.5 gallons each watering and watered when they needed it probably 4 or 5 times. Then i went to the store, added my CRAZY (bat) shit and magpro.
Where did you get that crazy schedule? A flush should be a one-time event, not something spread-out over days or weeks. Get yourself on a permanent schedule pronto. No more hit-n-miss, no guesswork. Before adding any other technique or additive...ask folks here.

Check again for the bat shit N-P-K. Bat guano shouldn't have much, if any, nitrogen. Both of your numbers sound wrong, unless it's a fertilizer instead of a ammendment. Also, it says it's a high phosphorous guano, right? The PO4 (phosphorous) lowers ph. very effectively. (can lower it enough to lock-out nutrients)

[devilcowboy3]

I dont know where i got my flush schedule from... i kinda just put together one from a few different methods and added a little time... bad recipe i guess:hippy:
As for my poop, I put up a pic of them i thought... but as i read the numbers they are: from the original box (under the sticker) N6...P10...K1... From the sticker N10...P6....K2..
Its from the Down to Earth Distributors brand...
Maybe I should do a real flush? Is that what the consensus is?:)

[devilcowboy3]

So i was wondering what Rusty meant by filling out a form... Apparently my bloodshot eyes skipped right over the form... so here it is...

Indoor Crop
Soil
Black gold (mixed three bags: Natural & Organic Potting soil, Garden compost Amendment, and the
soil conditioner (again, all from black gold)
Using Humboldt Naturals (grow currently, not inthe blooming yet) and within the last 2 weeks have
added a small amount of MAGPRO
I think i need to get a new ph meter...
Water from the tap, let sit with a bubbler for 2 days before anything is done to it. Last time i read
it, was 6.8 but i think my meter is whacked, as i tested all sorts of stuff, from my spit to bleach and it all read 6. something.... :(
My problems spread across two strains, some seeds some clones. Ages vary between 3 weeks ( 1 week in my cloner
and 2 weeks in the soil) all the way to 2 months... they are all having the problem, but the
seed girls have bounced back green wise since the addition of the MAGPRO, but they still havent made any side
branches...
Humbold Naturals Grow (and bloom later but not now)
Usually water with 5ML HNG solution in 1 gallon of water once a week with a .5 gallon of plain water sometime
during the same week when she needs it.
400W MH light hanging horizontally about 20 inches off the top of teh canopy.
The temp used to hover in the 80s but two days ago i re-rigged my cooling system and now we stay at a cool 72. Lights are
24 hours currently
humidity is about 30-35%
Venting- I have ducting from my bedroom window to a 4x4 grow tent. I have a 4 inch fan sucking all that air through a carbon
filter (homemade) then venting that through more ducts into another room in the house to be dispersed as
my heating element :)

[Rusty Trichome]

I'd ease-up on throwing everything under the sun at your plants. You can kill them with kindness. Any Dr. Q's Filthy Rich potting soil available where you get the Black Gold from?

Potting soil and garden compost are two different animals, and are buffered differently. Potting mixes are usually buffered to around 7.0 and compost is buffered at 6.0 ish. Over time, both mixes will lost their buffering, and ph will start to plummet.

Did you add perlite to the mix? Black Gold has some excellent perlite. (I use it)

There is no reason to bubble your water before adding to the soil. When you water, the suction it creates in the soil draws-down the air anyway.

Careful using MagPro. Excessive magnesium (also called mag. sulphate - epsom salt) can and will lock-out the other nutrients.

In the 80's is fine. I don't recommend this to newby's, but during the summer my ambient flower shed temps can easily reach 100.

If possible, lower your 400 watter to around 16 or so inches.

[devilcowboy3]

I'd ease-up on throwing everything under the sun at your plants. You can kill them with kindness. Any Dr. Q's Filthy Rich potting soil available where you get the Black Gold from?

Potting soil and garden compost are two different animals, and are buffered differently. Potting mixes are usually buffered to around 7.0 and compost is buffered at 6.0 ish. Over time, both mixes will lost their buffering, and ph will start to plummet.

Did you add perlite to the mix? Black Gold has some excellent perlite. (I use it)

There is no reason to bubble your water before adding to the soil. When you water, the suction it creates in the soil draws-down the air anyway.

Careful using MagPro. Excessive magnesium (also called mag. sulphate - epsom salt) can and will lock-out the other nutrients.

In the 80's is fine. I don't recommend this to newby's, but during the summer my ambient flower shed temps can easily reach 100.

If possible, lower your 400 watter to around 16 or so inches.
No Dr. Q's in my area that i can find.
I did not add perlite, but it does have its own in it. I toss a little bit of coco coir in there too (just because i have extra from an old hydro grow, i didnt really measure and it probably wasnt enough to mention...)
I have always read to at least let your air set out for a day or so to let the chlorine vapor off. I use the bubbler to help this out. Do i not need to be doing this?
I lowered my temps too. They are down to 72-76 now.
When i get the girls back to being healthy i will lower the light down :thumbsup:
I cant figure out the damn multi quote either :(

[Rusty Trichome]

No Dr. Q's in my area that i can find.If there's a Star Nursery near you, it's their brand. They also carry the Black Gold line, which is why I was curious...


I did not add perlite, but it does have its own in it. I toss a little bit of coco coir in there too (just because i have extra from an old hydro grow, i didnt really measure and it probably wasnt enough to mention...) Ok...what does this do to your soil chemistry and ph? Doesn't Coco require frequent flushing?


I have always read to at least let your air set out for a day or so to let the chlorine vapor off. I use the bubbler to help this out. Do i not need to be doing this?
A lot of municipalities (cities) are using a solid form of chlorine, and no ammount of sitting or bubbling will remove it. Google water quality in your area. You should be able to find-out with a little bit of detective work. If your water company uses the solids, R/O or carbon filtering is the cheapest way to remove it. Unless your water (snow) has been sitting around for a few weeks in a bucket, no need to aerate. It's an unnecessary step.


I cant figure out the damn multi quote either :( ahhh...the old milti-quote dementia...
Easiest way, is to go to someone's multi-quote post, hit the quote button, and see what was done and how. All the tags will be there for you to see. (It's just a cut-n-paste project)

[Ocotillo]

:detective1:

ahhh...the old milti-quote dementia...
Easiest way, is to go to someone's multi-quote post, hit the quote button, and see what was done and how. All the tags will be there for you to see. (It's just a cut-n-paste project)

WRONG!!!! I just searched this and came up with "figure it out". Thanks for that, you're too kind.... 'Just not sure what kind! ;) First shot at google search had this to say;

What you want to do to "multi-quote" is this:
In the thread you're responding to, click the multi-quote once for each post you want to quote so it changes color. Then click quote and each post will be quoted in your reply. :detective1:

[Rusty Trichome]

Ocotillo:
If you have a problem with something I've posted, feel free to speak english so I know exactly what your beef is. Quite frankly, my way works. Matter of fact, for me it's easier to do it my way, but hey...I've only been doing this a few years.
As for your inability to research your local water quality...I don't know what to tell ya, other than to put more effort and thought into your research.

If you have a problem following direction or using Google, perhaps you could just sit ad watch. (or ask nicely, and someone with more insight than you will help)

[Ocotillo]

Ocotillo:
If you have a problem with something I've posted, feel free to speak english so I know exactly what your beef is. Quite frankly, my way works. Matter of fact, for me it's easier to do it my way, but hey...I've only been doing this a few years.

I believe I just did "state my beef".... People say to search, I did, and found a non-answer. I saw a need to answer the question from the point of view of someone who has NOT been doing it for years. No offense, but your answer did not help the OP. It's not an ego thing, I'm just making the search work for the next guy/gal who finds this thread just like I did except they won't have to go on searching and googling also like I did.

Note to all, not rusty personally, if you never answer questions then there will be nothing to search!!!! It's a paradox of sorts.

[/QUOTE]As for your inability to research your local water quality...I don't know what to tell ya, other than to put more effort and thought into your research.

If you have a problem following direction or using Google, perhaps you could just sit ad watch. (or ask nicely, and someone with more insight than you will help)[/QUOTE]

I was not asking about the water, that was the OP (original poster). No probs.

[Rusty Trichome]

I believe I just did "state my beef".... People say to search, I did, and found a non-answer.
A non-answer? Not all of us have problems doing a search, but here's a tip...You start with generalities like this:
Water quality report California (http://www.google.com/search?q=water+quality+report+california&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GGIC), Water quality Arizona (http://www.google.com/search?q=water+quality+report+Arizona&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GGIC) and you can refine it from there if necessary. You should try it some time before telling someone they are wrong.

I just love that little quote thing you tried to pull off. 0 for 2. Seems your credibility is fading, IMHO.

Again...what's your beef?

[Ocotillo]

1, for the second time, I was not asking about water.
2, I could care less about "credibility" or green reputation points.
3, I found the multipost quote instructions on my first google search and I've used it on another thread. Which one I don't really care to prove to anyone.
4, You seem angry, why? Are you the one who's deleting my posts and if so why?

What did I do other than try to bring notice and improvements to the feeble cannabis.com search function.... For example, you can not search "PH" or "EC" as it's too short.... You can't really search "Molasses" and other key words because every trouble shooting form ever filled out comes up since the word (molasses) is part of the form whether it was used or not. If you'd like to help instead of being combative then be my guest my friend. If not, life's too short for grudges. Enlighten me if you can.

5, Public notice, Rusty is better than I am at making quotes and searches so I hope that helps him. Compared to Rusty I guess I'm lucky to be able to tie my shoes. I could only aspire to be 1/64th as intelligent as Rusty on my best day. The reason I did not understand his answer was because his intelligence is so far above mine- it would be like Dr Von Braun trying to explain rocket scinece to a cave man. (Rusty being the scientist and me of course being the caveman.)

RustyT., please, have a toke and relax!!!!! I shall speak of it no more, have a nice day sir/madam.


A non-answer? Not all of us have problems doing a search, but here's a tip...You start with generalities like this:
Water quality report California (http://www.google.com/search?q=water+quality+report+california&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GGIC), Water quality Arizona (http://www.google.com/search?q=water+quality+report+Arizona&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GGIC) and you can refine it from there if necessary. You should try it some time before telling someone they are wrong.

I just love that little quote thing you tried to pull off. 0 for 2. Seems your credibility is fading, IMHO.

Again...what's your beef?

[Rusty Trichome]

How they hangin', Cowboy3?

Anyway...


1, for the second time, I was not asking about water.
Then you should really step-back and re-read the thread. You may not have been talking about water, but I was.


2, I could care less about "credibility" or green reputation points.
Nobody mentioned rep points until now. Did someone hit you with their best shot over this?


3, I found the multipost quote instructions on my first google search and I've used it on another thread. Which one I don't really care to prove to anyone. My google reference had nothing to do with the multi quote instructions. It was about obtaining local water quality reports.


4, You seem angry, why? Are you the one who's deleting my posts and if so why? To begin with, no...I am not a mod. They hammer me just the same when I get too...playful. And no, I'm not angry. But I am curious why you'd refute the post in the way it appeared you did. My guess is that you were mis-reading my post.
Regardless, I don't let those I don't even know run my emotioins. Tiz a bad policy. Plus, y'all don't know me well enough for me to give all that power to you.


What did I do other than try to bring notice and improvements to the feeble cannabis.com search function.... Perhaps it's the way you spelled it out, but you should have mentioned this shit earlier. I may be a rocket scientist, but I'm not a mind reader. :jointsmile: And yes...a 60 second limit between searches is feeble and frustrating. Especially if trying to help other's before your wife wakes-up.

Refine your searches and if still no results, hit the search button, then when the pop-up shows...hit advanced search, and select the specific forum(s) you want searched. Unclicking the "also search in child forums" box keeps search in the forum you check-off, but ignores sub-forums. Think of different ways to ask the computer.


For example, you can not search "PH" or "EC" as it's too short.... You can't really search "Molasses" and other key words because every trouble shooting form ever filled out comes up since the word (molasses) is part of the form whether it was used or not. If you'd like to help instead of being combative then be my guest my friend. If not, life's too short for grudges. Enlighten me if you can. Refine your search. How about: Proper ph for soil, or how much molasses...? or: lowering ph, or what kind of molasses, or proper EC...?


5, Public notice, Rusty is better than I am at making quotes and searches so I hope that helps him. Compared to Rusty I guess I'm lucky to be able to tie my shoes. I could only aspire to be 1/64th as intelligent as Rusty on my best day. The reason I did not understand his answer was because his intelligence is so far above mine- it would be like Dr Von Braun trying to explain rocket scinece to a cave man. (Rusty being the scientist and me of course being the caveman.) I'm down with that. :thumbsup:

[Ocotillo]

Thanks Rusty Trichome, perhaps I had it wrong. :( You sir are a gentleman (or lady) and a fine contributer to our fair group. More than anything, I may have been hasty to judge cannabis.com forum. It takes plenty of time to get used to :postreadfaq:, but once you do, the riches to be gained are beyond your wildest dreams.... :jumphappy:

I'm feelin' the love! :computerlove1: :s2: :kisslove:

[Rusty Trichome]

Not sure I'd go that far, but welcome back. :thumbsup:

[devilcowboy3]

Ha... Octillo, sounds like you just ran home with your tail between your legs. But I can play moderator... Such power...
Rusty, I must have read it the same way Oct did. I thought you were telling me to search google for how to multipost.:hippy:
I will be looking into my water source like that, not that it will matter cuz i cant afford a RO system., so i am stuck with what i got.
Octillo- It would be really awesome if you made one of those suck up paragraphs for me too... you know, just in the spirit of fairness and all:woohoo:
Now, you two play nice.


I just finished flushing the plants. The water i was giving them was at 7.6. So i plunked it down to 6.8 also. Hopefully in another week or so they will spring right back:stoned:

[Rusty Trichome]

I will be looking into my water source like that, not that it will matter cuz i cant afford a RO system., so i am stuck with what i got.

Adjustments can often be made if you know what needs adjusting. :thumbsup:

[Maxor420]

LOL.... why is it I can always find you... rusty... everywhere someone gets annoyed, ticked off, or miffed at something...lol.

Meh, no beef, just throwing words out to the masses....lol, pointless as it may be.:rastasmoke:

....and I swear octo got yelled at, or just simply got deflated with the futility of refuting something with you... you got a knack to argue.... you a lawyer?

[Rusty Trichome]

Looks like you've got me all figured-out Max. Anything pertinent to add to the thread before I unsubscribe, or you just here posting pointless pot-shots?

My signature says "If you are comfortable with your facts, you should assume I'll be comfortable challenging those facts. "? It's a simple warning to those that think posting bullshit and wives tales is acceptable.

Lawyer...? No, but I did complete high school, many many years ago. I do appreciate the recognition that I tend to place a high value on knoiwledge and facts, though. Ya ought to see me at parties. :thumbsup:

Before I go, I want to thank you. Seeing Hitlers birthday (April 20, 1889) in your username reminds me how much I hate progressivism, socialism, Marxism and modern institutions of "higher learning". (I'm talking junior high and beyond...) It kinda re-lights my fire. :jointsmile:

[Wobster]

hahaha funny thread

[devilcowboy3]

Here is a thought that has been running through my head, tell me what you guys think.
I dont know what was going on with my plants in the beginning, but the bat poo seemed to help for a couple days. Here is what i think happened.
With the Bat shit running at (again we dont know because they mislabeled imo) 6-10-1, the nitrogen helped them regain some of thier growth and green. Then, since they are still in veg, the Phos. kicked in and made a bunch of nodes but with a lack branching of those nodes. But such a influx of Phos stunted the growth and possibly locked out... something :stoned: (See photo 1) In the front you can see the branch has plenty of nodes, but there is only a little tiny leaf growth off this area and then nothing.
Phos is known for making more bud sites in flowering stages... I think it made them in my veg plants. Tell me your opinions please

[devilcowboy3]

And ill post new pics tonight... Got a party to go to but after that, ill get back to you guys. Also since i am here, Where is the best place to post a grow journal?