(aquanauts) First bagseed grow!

[aquanaut]

Finally decided to kick the bucket and try a first time grow :D. I have no idea what these are as I received them from a buddy who had some bagseed laying around.

Canna Coco
Canna Coco A & B nutes (used during entire grow, until flush)
Canna PK 13/14 (start @ 3 weeks into flower)
RO/DI Water
150w 6700k MH (veg)
250w HPS (flower)
4x 23w 6500k CFL's for when the 250w HPS goes up.

I plan on mild LST and Fimming as soon as they are ready.


Germed seeds and they popped roots in 3 days (3/4 seeds germed)
Planted seeds into dixie cups with holes in the bottom for drainage


Day 1 - PM - Veg - 2/4 have popped up - Watered

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Day 2 - AM - Veg - I noticed some more growth and deepening in coloration which is a good sign. At least I'm doing something right, so far. I noticed the top of the coco is a little dry but 1" down still moist. Tonight I'll water with some nutes.

I plan on watering with .25(6mL a gal) of A & B nutes, so 25% of what Canna recommends at the 1 week stage. Hoping the very tiny addition of some nutes will encourage the ladies :thumbsup:.

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[Elliot89]

Im just starting my first grow too! Although im about a day or 2 behind you. You're setup looks nice and tidy, good luck!

[aquanaut]

Day 3 - AM - Vegging
Last night I watered with 0.5ml/gal of A and B nutes. Here are the pictures this morning.

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[jakester]

Nice closeup of the youngster!

[aquanaut]

Nice closeup of the youngster!

Thanks! I can't wait till they get bigger. Being this is my first grow I feel like I keep checking on them like 10 times a day!

[aquanaut]

Quick question: does my seedling look a little to stretched? I've been browsing other logs and notice at like day 10 or so its shorter then mine.

My 150w MH is about 2 feet above the seedlings... should I lower it even more?

[PhatJay]

Nice pics and log. Subscribed.

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[Vancefish]

Quick question: does my seedling look a little to stretched? I've been browsing other logs and notice at like day 10 or so its shorter then mine.

My 150w MH is about 2 feet above the seedlings... should I lower it even more?

I wouldn't worry to much at this point. Even a little stretch so early on is no big deal. If the plant has to much stem, When you repot later you can bury her deep (up to the first node), she will root all the way up that stem when you do it. :thumbsup:

But looking good and nice set up!

[aquanaut]

@Phat - Thanks! Glad you could find it =]
@Vance - Ahh good tip, thanks!

Day 4 - PM - Vegggggggg - Today I decided to build a vent system for my box. The addition of the vent system really changed everything. For most it's really cool inside the box now.. without a thermometer I couldn't tell you for sure, but it feels exactly the same as ambient room temps. Which is around 70F. The biggest change is the coco medium isn't as dry as it used to be at the end of the day.


Added a 6" Inline Duct Fan rated at over 200CFM
No watering tonight, looks and feels pretty moist still. (thanks to the new exhaust fan)


These plants grow allot faster then I thought!
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Day 5 - AM - Veg


Exhaust fan must be really doing it's job! Still moist and no watering.
Growth is really noticeable today!
The MH is about 24" above these seedlings... think it's safe to lower em more? Or is it best to wait after she has some more growth?


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[MonkeyBone]

Don't throw nutes at them now, maybe in 2-3 weeks, even then i find it too early.

They're healthy nevertheless! And great pics! You know your macro!

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[kaiten408]

I'm with monkeybone, I would wait on the nutes for a seedling. There should be enough nutrients in whatever medium your using to support the plants until they have really entered the vegetative mode (now they're seedlings)

As for the light, my advice would be, if you put your hands over your plant and it's too hot for you then its to hot for the plants.

[aquanaut]

Hmm, I thought Coco medium didn't have any nutes?

[kaiten408]

Is that the only thing your using for your medium? Was it pre-mixed with anything?

[Luvmymeds]

Quick question: does my seedling look a little to stretched? I've been browsing other logs and notice at like day 10 or so its shorter then mine.

My 150w MH is about 2 feet above the seedlings... should I lower it even more?

You can bury your seedling all the way up to water leaves. I do this when they are about 4"-6"'s. So after burying they are about 2"-3"s out of ground. it really depends on the strain. Also male plants tend to grow taller much faster than females some believe that to be because they have a better chance of getting pollen into the air and spreading farther. There is a difference for all strains some grow tall some grow short some are bushing some are more like trees sparse and leafy. Your baby's look healthy and female. At week 3 you can sex your plants if your worried about males.

[aquanaut]

@kaiten408 - Yeah, my medium is 100% Canna Coco. In that case should I be adding tiny ammounts of nutes to my watering?

@Luvmymeds - Thanks for the good info! I hope they turn out to be female :jointsmile:

Day 6 - AM - Veg


Coco was dry in both cups until about 2"~
Watered both cups with RO/DI water (no nutes)
Used spray bottle to moisten the area a bit


Question: Is it okay to use the spray bottle? There are no nutes mixed in with the spray bottles just pure RO/DI water. I'm primarily using it to mimic some morning dew on the seedlings. Main watering is done with a cup.

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[PhatJay]

I have read that having large droplets of water on leaves can act as a magnifying glass and may cause some damage to your leaves. Not sure if this is true, but to be on the safe side, I would water straight to the soil, at least till your little babies get bigger and stronger.

[wyldeganja30]

Looks very nice what kind of lights are u using? Im gonna try out 2 different types of bagseed.

[jakester]

2 things. Yes, get the light closer, probably 6" would be fine for a 150 MH. Second thing, start them on 1/4 concentration nutes soon and work your way to 1/2 strength in a week or two depending on how they do. If you want to be overly cautious, start em at 1/8th.

This is not soil, when the seed runs out of pop you are gonna see it drop.

[aquanaut]

@PhatJay - Thanks, I'll keep that in mind.

@wyldeganja30 - I'm using a 150w MH @ 6700k for vegging. Good luck no your bagseeds!

@jakester - Finally someone with some sort of direction with Coco. Yea since pretty much Day 3 I've been feeding them with 1/4th the concentration and the seedlings don't seem to mind at all. Thanks!

[wyldeganja30]

yeah its a cool little setup are u planing on topping ur plants?

[aquanaut]

I don't plan on topping, rather FIM-ing them combined with LST.

[jakester]

I don't plan on topping, rather FIM-ing them combined with LST.Sounds like a plan. Start moving them kids closer to the life-light.

[aquanaut]

Day 7 - AM - Veg


Noticed this morning they are looking a little down, not so dark green-ish.. just less green.
Perhaps because yesterday's water was just water and no nutes.
This morning I watered with 1/3rd concentration of A & B nutes.
About: 1.0mL/gal of Part A and Part B
Moved lights down a foot, so the MH is about 12"~ above the seedlings.


Sorry, forgot to snap pix this morning. I'll post them up later tonight!

[aquanaut]

Quick question... when should I be shooting to transplant into a bigger pot? And how big of a pot should I be moving upto?

Thanks!

[aquanaut]

Day 8 - AM - V3g


Lots of new noticeable growth today
Still very moist from yesterday mornings water
New 50% nute concentration (over 25%) seems to be doing great


Question: Is it just me or do my ladies looking a little yellow in color? Is this normal while they are growing into full plants? Is it possible my nute solution is too weak/strong?

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[PhatJay]

Question: Is it just me or do my ladies looking a little yellow in color? Is this normal while they are growing into full plants? Is it possible my nute solution is too weak/strong?

They look pretty normal to me. The leaves on my ladies can have a yellow tinge to them when they are small and starting to form. There is a picture in my log of the top of the main cola, which shows this and may put your mind at rest (post #5 1st pic).

As you know, I am a bit noob myself at growing. You asked about when to repot. From what I have read here in the forums, you repot as soon as the roots reach the bottom/sides of the container they are in. The more experienced growers seem to repot 3 times, sometimes 4. Gradually increasing the sizes of the pots.
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[kaiten408]

Everything looks good to me. And as for the coco medium, I would stick with what your doing, progressively upping the conc. of the nutrients.

In my experience, as the plants build up a tolerance they learn to just eat that stuff up. :rastasmoke:

K

[PhatJay]

Hey Aquanaut, I was reading another thread in this forum and it mentioned a weed master called Jorge Cervantes. I googled him and found that he makes videos.

Here's a link to part 10 of the video that covers repotting.

Dailymotion - Jorge Cervantes - Ultimate Grow Pt. 10 - um video do canal Filmes & TV (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9ssou_jorge-cervantes-ultimate-grow-pt-10_shortfilms)

The video is broken into many parts, taking you through the whole process of growing cannabis from start to finish and although it covers things you will probably know already, it also covers things you are not sure about. I have watched them up to part 10 and I am really enjoying them sofar. I think part 3 covered pot sizes, something else you were curious about.

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[aquanaut]

@kaiten408 - Cool thanks! I hope I don't burn them :jointsmile:

@PhatJay - Thanks for the info and link to that video!


Hey Aquanaut, I was reading another thread in this forum and it mentioned a weed master called Jorge Cervantes. I googled him and found that he makes videos.

Here's a link to part 10 of the video that covers repotting.

Dailymotion - Jorge Cervantes - Ultimate Grow Pt. 10 - um video do canal Filmes & TV (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9ssou_jorge-cervantes-ultimate-grow-pt-10_shortfilms)

The video is broken into many parts, taking you through the whole process of growing cannabis from start to finish and although it covers things you will probably know already, it also covers things you are not sure about. I have watched them up to part 10 and I am really enjoying them sofar. I think part 3 covered pot sizes, something else you were curious about.



Day 9 - AM - Veg


Coco still looks pretty moist
Will probably hold off on the watering until tonight or tomorrow morning


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[jakester]

Dailymotion - Jorge Cervantes - Ultimate Grow Pt. 10 - um video do canal Filmes & TV (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9ssou_jorge-cervantes-ultimate-grow-pt-10_shortfilms)
Awesome! Thanks!:thumbsup:

[PhatJay]

I saw your other thread in the plant problems section. The 1st set of pics looked fine but the 2nd pic in the 2nd set are yellower than I would be comfortable with. Especially seeing as they were greener yesterday than they are today. I think you should take Sarah Louise's advice and up the nute dosage.

[aquanaut]

I saw your other thread in the plant problems section. The 1st set of pics looked fine but the 2nd pic in the 2nd set are yellower than I would be comfortable with. Especially seeing as they were greener yesterday than they are today. I think you should take Sarah Louise's advice and up the nute dosage.

Phew... glad someone else thinks the same. I think I'll water tonight with the increased nute dosage, or tomorrow morning.

I think growing these causes more stress... maybe it's just the first grow syndrome I got going on.. lol :rastasmoke:

[PhatJay]

I think growing these causes more stress... maybe it's just the first grow syndrome I got going on.. lol :rastasmoke:

Tell me about it mate, I am in a panic today because I think my girls are turning into ladyboys and after watching that video I have realised that some of the leaves at the top of my plant are "Transpiring" (getting rid of water to cool down) so when the lights go on later I have to re-arrange my fans, add another one and take a photo of my ladies suspected ballsack.

We are definately suffering from "First Grow Syndrome." I am starting to get an understanding of what being a parent feels like. xD

What time of day are you watering? It's best to water them when the lights turn on.

[aquanaut]

Tell me about it mate, I am in a panic today because I think my girls are turning into ladyboys and after watching that video I have realised that some of the leaves at the top of my plant are "Transpiring" (getting rid of water to cool down) so when the lights go on later I have to re-arrange my fans, add another one and take a photo of my ladies suspected ballsack.

We are definately suffering from "First Grow Syndrome." I am starting to get an understanding of what being a parent feels like. xD

What time of day are you watering? It's best to water them when the lights turn on.

Dang hope you don't end up with a bunch of hermies.. =[. Yea those videos are pretty awesome!

I usually end up watering first thing in the morning when I get up (usually about when the lights turn on). But sometimes I water at night when I get home from work and notice its a bit dry in the cups.

[aquanaut]

Day 9 - PM - V3g


Found out I'm under nuteing...
Made a fresh bottle (46oz) of nutes @ 2.0ml of AnB (part a and b)
Plants seem dry till 1"~ below coco
Will water tomorrow morning with fresh nute mix.


Judging by my last watering that had 1.0ml of nutes (from 0.5ml) the plants are starting to green today. After punching in my nute-mix-holder volume of (a v8 splash bottle) 46oz. It was recomended at 1-3 weeks I use 2.5ml of nutes, instead of my 0.5ml first and then 1.0ml just 2 days ago.

It would appear I was only dosing my nutes at roughly... 1/5th the reccomended. Whoops! :stoned:

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[bickeybammer]

LOOKING GOOD! :thumbsup:

i love vegging my plants in coco because its hard to over water and the growth rate is amazing... but i would water every day until runoff with coco and also i would use nutes every other watering or every other day

i go back to soil for flower because i get airy dry buds with coco and with soil the buds are alot denser and more flavor to them .. but thats my 2cents

[aquanaut]

@bickey - Thanks for the heads up. I may look into watering every day (nutes every other). I'm just so scarred of over watering for my first grow.

Day 10 - AM - Veg


Watered this morning with new nute mix at 2.0ml/46oz
Plants still look to be recovering from my nute deficiency.
More green / Less yellow


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[aquanaut]

Got bored and decided to take some macro shots during lunch.

Could someone explain what those tiny white dots are? Hairs? Also notice the edges of the leaves have a dark dot or coloration to it. Whats up with that? New growth?

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[bickeybammer]

looks like you might have a nute lock out i would flush then nute next watering.. are you using calmag? dont be scared to over water them in coco.. water every day till run off.. also how are you watering? are you letting them sit in their runoff? i would let them drain over a sink until they stop dripping then put them back.. the more water you put through them the faster they are gunna grow you have to treat coco as hydroponics ...

[aquanaut]

Hmm... I'm not using CalMag but was thinking about it since my water is RO and then de-ionized.

I'm beginning to think the de-ionized part is screwing with my grow.

Do you reccomend I add CalMag to RO water? Tomorrow I will flush with just RO water. :hippy:

[PhatJay]

Just wanted to second what BickeyBammer said about the Coco. One of the advantages of growing in coco is that it is much harder to over water than in regular soil. If you read the bumf on the back of the bag it says that even when wet it maintains 23% air. Like he said, treat coco as hydroponics.

edit : also as far as I am being told, this applies to PH aswell. I have been advised to keep my PH between 5.8 and 6.5. Which is why I don't like watering with my 7.5 tap water. The people telling me this are people I know and I have seen and tasted the results they get.

Good idea adding "in coco" in your sig... I think I may steal this idea.

:)

[aquanaut]

@PhatJay - Ahh... okay thats good to know. Thanks!


Day 11 - AM - Veg


Made new nutrient solution with tap water as I can't get CalMag until later this coming week.
Watered this morning (trying new daily water regime)


Hopefully using the tap water will make the ladies a little happier. My theory is my RO/DI water I was using had little or no Ca/Mg in it. So using tap water until I can get some CalMag.

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[MerryPrankstr]

Those look very nice.
I wouldn't be worried in the least!

M.P.

[hatchzc]

Whoo hoo this is my first post! Been smoking for a week now, And currently am. But hey those look super nice im trying to leanr stuff on growing so i can start my own plant too. keep us updated and good luck!

[aquanaut]

Day 13 - AM - Veg


Watered and upped the dosage of my nutes to 2.5ml/46oz
Noticed the edges of my leaves are sorta curled up? Whats up with that?


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[ForgetClassC]

What type of light is that? I see the extra CFL, but what is the bigger thing in the middle.


-C

[PhatJay]

Noticed the edges of my leaves are sorta curled up? Whats up with that?

Do you have a fan circulating air around the grow room? (in one of the pics in your 1st post it looks like you have one in the background). The curling right at the edges of the leaves can be a sign of transpiring. Not sure about the curling of the whole leaf. I had some curling right at the edges of some of my leaves, improving air circulation seems to have helped.

[jakester]

Do you have a fan circulating air around the grow room? (in one of the pics in your 1st post it looks like you have one in the background). The curling right at the edges of the leaves can be a sign of transpiring. Not sure about the curling of the whole leaf. I had some curling right at the edges of some of my leaves, improving air circulation seems to have helped.You used the word "transpiring" like it was a negative thing. Without transpiration the plants would be dead NOW.
The curling is probably a cal/mag def. sign IMO.

[aquanaut]

@ForgetClassC - The CFL's are for when my HPS goes up so I can supp some blue light. And the main light I'm using right now to veg is a 150w MH @ 6700k. Seems to be working pretty good so far.

@PhatJay - Yea I got a tower osculating fan that's always on low. I'll try to turn it up a little more. Thanks!

[PhatJay]

You used the word "transpiring" like it was a negative thing. Without transpiration the plants would be dead NOW.
The curling is probably a cal/mag def. sign IMO.

Well according to that ultimate growing video, curling up at the very edges of leaves happens when the leaves are too warm and are having to excessively transpire to cool down. I know a plant has to transpire to live. I am talking about that little "lip" on the edge of the leaves, not the curling of the whole leaf.

[aquanaut]

Day 14 - AM - Veg


Watered this morning with CalMag+ solution and tap water that sat out over night.



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[aquanaut]

Day 15 - AM - Veg


Watered this morning with 2.5ml/AnB nute mix + 1 Drop of superthrive/gallon
Lots of new growth, especially in 1 plant.
Noticed one plant had brown spots on the leaves. Is this signs of CalMag deficiency?
Noticed roots sticking out the bottom of the Solo cups, will transplant tonight.


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[PhatJay]

Whe you repot/transplant it's a good idea to get some pebbles/rocks/stones in the bottom of your pot. Coco is so fine, that it has a tendency to run out of the holes in the bottom of your pot when watering.

[aquanaut]

Whe you repot/transplant it's a good idea to get some pebbles/rocks/stones in the bottom of your pot. Coco is so fine, that it has a tendency to run out of the holes in the bottom of your pot when watering.

That's a great idea! I have that problem with my Solo cups. I'll put a layer of perlite in the bottom of the new pots they get transplanted into.

[PhatJay]

That's a great idea! I have that problem with my Solo cups. I'll put a layer of perlite in the bottom of the new pots they get transplanted into.

Because perlite holds water, that might be a bad idea. I would go with pebbles, they don't absorb water and they cannot do your plants any harm (unless you throw them at them).

[aquanaut]

Day 17 - AM - Veg


Transplanted a few days ago and everything seems to be going well.
One plant still has brown spots spreading around.
Been watering everyday with nutes.
Also noticed the plants have a slight skunky smell.



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[superskunk1]

They look nice but one thing to remember is never have water sitting at the bottom of the pot that creates root rot and alot of other problems... Just a heads up:greenthumb
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O ya and Phatjay i don't know how pearlite holds water when it is used to make the soil better for irrigation.

I use a 40/60 mix (pearlite 40%) so if i ever had to flush i can do it no prob:

[PhatJay]

O ya and Phatjay i don't know how pearlite holds water when it is used to make the soil better for irrigation.

My bad, I havn't used perlite (thought it held water) :i feel stupid:, I just knew pebbles/stones were OK and concerned that my advice might hinder instead of help if the wrong thing was used. Thanks for putting me right. :)

Looking good aquanaut, those babies are about the same size my cuttings were when I got and potted them. I started with around 200ml water per plant and after around 4 days I started watering them till I got runoff. I was feeding them 2 days on 1 day off, with canna start for the 1st 14 days. Then I switched to Cannazyme, Hydroveg A, Hydroveg B and Roots Accelurator.

[superskunk1]

We are all here to learn
pearlite has helped me alot that's why I guess I have some knowledge on it, I would recommend everyone to use it. I've never used coco but heard/read great things about it in the Veg cycle although I've read that it makes airy buds during the flowering cycle.

I am using Pro-mix which contains 10% pearlite and I still mix more into it

Anyways keep up the good work aqua everything looks fine, read alot and look at other ppls threads as there are tips and tricks that will help make this journey easier for the ladies.

[bickeybammer]

they are looking awesome now aquanaut!!! :thumbsup:

just curious on how big those pots are.. because with coco its a good idea to go from the party cups to the 1 gal pots because if you go to big ive noticed that the roots will stay in the middle of the pot and they wont spread to the bottom or the outside.. the bottom of the coco will remain moist and same with the side .. it can cause mold and other bad stuff to happen.. i think if you went to a 2 gal pot you will be ok but i think if your at 3 gal then you MIGHT run into some problems... also next time because you transplant let the coco dry a little and pull the whole root ball out and make sure its a nice root ball that is formed and not roots that are stretching to see how fall down they can go.. :hippy:
also when you water ... water till a little run off and let all the extra water drip out this will let the coco stay at a perfect moisture .. another good idea is to try a 50/50 perlite coco mix

[aquanaut]

Thanks for all the feedback guys. :thumbsup:

Yea I think for my next grow I'll start the seedlings out in the square pots I have the new seedlings in now. And then transplant into the 3gal pots you see above.

Also next time I was thinking of 20~30% perlite mix into the coco. Just seems like a good idea.

:jointsmile:

[aquanaut]

Day 18 - AM - Veg


Plants transplanted into 3g pots seem to be really taking off.
Fed this morning with usualy nute mix.


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[aquanaut]

Day 19 - AM - Veg (vday)


No watering today, it's really moist still.
Plant on the left is growing insanely fast.
Plant on right, is so so- it's the one with the brown spots.
Seedlings looking okay, they were the smallest of the bagseed.
1 seedling looks mutated... ill name him the hulk.


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[aquanaut]

Day 20 - AM - Veg


Another day
Watered today with nutes and 1ml of CalMag+
There is definitely a lemony-skunky smell starting to permeate.
Also debating on when I should do the switch to my HPS.
Forgot to note I'm using my 150w MH + three 23w 6500k CFL's. Need more light!


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[aquanaut]

Day 21 - AM - Veg
Day 11 for the seedlings


Increased nute stength to 2.7ml a half Liter
CalMag+ is at 0.5ml a half Liter
Seedlings are getting nutes at 1.5ml a half Liter and the same CalMag+ dosage


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[PhatJay]

Plant on the left is growing insanely fast.

That's what I loved about vegging for the 1st time. The plants grew so fast, there was something new to look at every other day. Once you get to flower they seem to slow down and grow in spurts (well my ladies anyway).

You babes are looking very healthy mate, how long are you planning to veg? and do you still intend to do some LST'ing? I chickened out of pruning, which I think is going to affect the size of my harvest. I have buds all over my plants all the way down to the base. Next time I am going to at least prune the bottom foot of my plants, so they can concentrate their efforts on making the main cola and higher buds fatter.

[bickeybammer]

looks like you got it down now!!!:thumbsup:

[jtsik330]

Your plants look amazing and if you were at all interested in LST'ing it would be great to do right about now. Ofcoarse some have LST'd even in flower. You interested in strapping that girl down? Mine looks amazing in its first week of flower:thumbsup:

[sarah louise]

2.7 ml/500ml for young plants?

1.5ml/500ml for seedlings?

What are you basing your measurements on?

[aquanaut]

@Phat - Yea I think I'm chicekning out on LST'ing for my first time, maybe next. I'm just afraid to LST it so close to flowering. Don't want to stress out the plants and make hermies =[

@bickeybammer - Thanks! Took some fiddling and getting over new grow syndrome and just let thme grow. :hippy:

@jtsik330 - Won't LST'ing during flower cause stress? I do plan on LST'ing one of these days... just so unsure about it since its my first grow.

@sarah - I'm basing all of my nute dosage from the Canna grow guide. I'm not so sure if it's too strong or not, but my plants sure don't seem to mind. Except this one seedling who is growing really strangley.

http://i47.tinypic.com/jqp47a.png

Day 22 - AM - Veg


Watered this morning with nute mix left over from yesterday.
Growing even faster and stinking even more!


http://i46.tinypic.com/29vht89.jpg

http://i48.tinypic.com/111jrmb.jpg

[aquanaut]

CORRECTION!: My water container is 1.36L (a V8 Splash juice container). I punched in 1.36 liters into the Canna caclulator and it gave me the same results. They must be rounding to the nearest Liter.

Day 23 - AM - Veg


Watered this morning with nutes @ 2.8ml / 1.36L
Seedlings were watered with nutes @ 1.4ml / 1.36L
I think I'll switch to flowering on Sunday so I can take a watch over my new HPS system!


So instead of going with a 250w HPS I got a screaming deal on a 400w HPS digital system + Cooltube! Heat may be an issue and I may have to increase my ventilation. I'm also in the middle of trying to build my own carbon scrubber. I may break down and just order one :(

The one on the left is growing at a real fast pace, whereas the one on the right is so-so.

http://i47.tinypic.com/2v9udya.jpg

http://i46.tinypic.com/2na5jih.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/2j1stxz.jpg

[stra8outtaWeed]

after reading through your thread the only thing i would suggest is mychorizzea for the coco....your roots will have explosive growth....more roots=more nutrient uptake=more buds:thumbsup:

looks like you are taking good care of them!:smokin:

[aquanaut]

after reading through your thread the only thing i would suggest is mychorizzea for the coco....your roots will have explosive growth....more roots=more nutrient uptake=more buds:thumbsup:

looks like you are taking good care of them!:smokin:

Thanks! What's mychorizzea? Is it like Canna Rhizotonic?

[stra8outtaWeed]

Thanks! What's mychorizzea? Is it like Canna Rhizotonic?

that sounds more like AN's Voodoo Juice, it would be ok to use with....mychorizzea is a beneficial bacteria that roots use to help nutrient uptake...there are several brands...i think GH calls theirs sub-culture...AN's is pirhana and tarantula...i have heard of Great White....i use roots organics blue/green.

use it all alone and no nutrients for at least 3 days after applying....plain water is ok if the plants need it....do this every 2 weeks and into the 2nd week af flower and it will increase your yield! :thumbsup:

[aquanaut]

that sounds more like AN's Voodoo Juice, it would be ok to use with....mychorizzea is a beneficial bacteria that roots use to help nutrient uptake...there are several brands...i think GH calls theirs sub-culture...AN's is pirhana and tarantula...i have heard of Great White....i use roots organics blue/green.

use it all alone and no nutrients for at least 3 days after applying....plain water is ok if the plants need it....do this every 2 weeks and into the 2nd week af flower and it will increase your yield! :thumbsup:

Sweet thanks! I've been curious about Roots products and have been considering moving over to Roots stuff for my next grow. How well do you think it holds up against Canna or AN?

On another note after fiddling with Canna's Grow Guide (their nute calculator). I found out it rounds whatever you enter for the target volume to the nearest Liter. 1.5L = 2.0, 2.4L = 2.0.. etc which for me (ADD/ADHD) is hard to live with. So I spun up some graph paper and my trusty pencil to do the math for my target volume based off of Canna's 1L base on Coco nutrients.

I came up with: The descriptions are straight from Canna's calculator and the nutrient volumes are based off of ratio's from the 1L base and verified with 2L base from Canna's calculator.

http://i46.tinypic.com/2zpkz2t.png

[stra8outtaWeed]

i use Botanicare pro bloom and grow with some various AN products...that is the only roots organics product i use....i have heard the soul synthetic line is pretty good from roots..about 80% organic.

AN...i use voodoo juice, bud candy, carbo load, kushie kush, rhino skin(ph up),and overdrive at the end.....oh yeah wet betty...gotta have her! :thumbsup:

i have never used Canna but have not heard anything bad about it:jointsmile:

[sarah louise]

CORRECTION!: My water container is 1.36L (a V8 Splash juice container). I punched in 1.36 liters into the Canna caclulator and it gave me the same results. They must be rounding to the nearest Liter.



Well that answers my question... the calculator is only accurate for whole litres.

[aquanaut]

Day 24 - AM - Veg


Watered this morning with corrected nute volume.
Rotated pots (I do this everyday)
Getting ready to switch to HPS tomorrow morning.


I'd like to thank everyone for their comments and advice which lead me to where I am now. Thanks guys!

For anyone interested and using Canna Coco products. I wrote up a Python (programming/scripting language) app to calculate corrected nutrient volumes. The Canna calculator rounds to the nearest Liter. If you need help running it please lemme know, or you could just tell me your nute container volume and I can calc it for you real quick.

http://i50.tinypic.com/rm69sy.png

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[stra8outtaWeed]

i would trim those lower branches leaving the top 3 nodes and use the cuts to make a few clones....but she is looking strong and going to make a good bush!:thumbsup:

[aquanaut]

i would trim those lower branches leaving the top 3 nodes and use the cuts to make a few clones....but she is looking strong and going to make a good bush!:thumbsup:

I would but I don't have a separate area for clones or vegging =[


Day 25 - AM - FLOWER


Switched over to the 400w HPS + Cooltube
Light is about 3 feet above canopy (MH was about 1.5)
Watered today with 4.2ml of nutes per 1.76L + CalMag+ as per bottle


The picture does not do justice, it is so brightin here I have to go out and install some thicker curtains. :rasta:

http://i46.tinypic.com/5nrsld.jpg

http://i48.tinypic.com/jpblox.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/10o1z61.jpg

[aquanaut]

Wow do the temps really sore with a 400w HPS. After just an hour the temps near the top (above the cool tube) was around 83F+ and in the middle about 78.

I had to re-adjust some fans and vent piping but I think I can manage 78F within the grow area.

[sarah louise]

# author: aquanaut

class pyCanna:
COCO_1L_BASE = [1.8, 2.5, 3.0, 2.5, 2.5, 0.0]
RHIZO_1L_BASE = [4.0, 2.0, 0.5, 0.5, 0.5, 0.0]
ZYM_1L_BASE = [0.0, 2.5, 2.5, 2.5, 2.5, 2.5]
PK_1L_BASE = [0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.5, 0.0, 0.0]
BOOST_1L_BASE = [0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.5, 0.0, 0.0]
EC_BASE = [1.3, 1.7, 1.9, 2.0, 1.7, 0.4]

The red values for boost are incorrect.


For anyone interested and using Canna Coco products. I wrote up a Python (programming/scripting language) app to calculate corrected nutrient volumes.

The script is a nifty idea, but be aware, it assumes fixed values for water hardness, feed strength and product line. So it's a bit limited in what it can actually calculate... you'll need to rewrite it each time you vary an assumed, fixed factor.

Probably easier just to work in whole litres. ;)

[aquanaut]

[code]# author: aquanaut
The script is a nifty idea, but be aware, it assumes fixed values for water hardness, feed strength and product line. So it's a bit limited in what it can actually calculate... you'll need to rewrite it each time you vary an assumed, fixed factor.

Probably easier just to work in whole litres. ;)

Yea probably easier to just go off of liters =], thanks for the eagle eye correction though! :thumbsup:


Day 26 / 2 - AM - Flowering



Watered this morning with max strength (as per nute guide).
About 80F at the ceiling in my closet and mid 70's around the plants.


Question: Will the few 23w CFL's I have hanging around under the HPS to give 6700k light... actually work? My original idea behind this was to supp. blue light to stop stretching during flowering.


http://i47.tinypic.com/delf02.jpg

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[aquanaut]

Day 27 / 3 - AM - Flower


Flushed this morning with just fresh tap water.


http://i46.tinypic.com/2mraa8o.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/2mfk6ew.jpg

[scottiesng]

Looking good! Can't wait to see how flowering progresses!

Subscribed!

[PhatJay]

I see you went with a nice short veg period, good choice :thumbsup:. In my noobness I vegged for 39 days. I definitely won't be vegging for longer than 28 days next time.


Question: Will the few 23w CFL's I have hanging around under the HPS to give 6700k light... actually work? My original idea behind this was to supp. blue light to stop stretching during flowering.

Mixing lights during flowering is a good idea. I don't know if it stops stretching, but it helps with increasing the size of your crop. I plan to add one 125 watt blue (6400k) cfl to my lighting setup for my next flower (currently flowering with 2 x 125watt red 2700k cfl's).

[aquanaut]

I can't figure out what's going on now.


Leaves curling down.
Leaf edges are brittle? and tight
Yellowing and tiny brown spots.


http://i50.tinypic.com/vsf01s.jpg

http://i46.tinypic.com/4jmkvm.jpg

http://i50.tinypic.com/vsf01s.jpg

[aquanaut]

Day 28 /4 - AM - Flower


Watered this morning with nutes.
Next few days will see if my flush fixed anything.
Took some upclose pix but think it's still maybe a week too young to detect sex?



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[stra8outtaWeed]

keep a close eye on those...looks like balls to me! :(

usually you will see a pistil coming out if it is a girl

your plants look good! :thumbsup:

[aquanaut]

keep a close eye on those...looks like balls to me! :(

usually you will see a pistil coming out if it is a girl

your plants look good! :thumbsup:

Ahh crap =[ those were pix from my 2 biggest ones. Hope they aren't males or I'll have to try and throw my 3 smaller ones back into veg...

I think next time I'm going to just order feminized seeds as my grow room cannot accommodate too many plants :(

[stra8outtaWeed]

when growing from seed start at 12/12 for 30 days then increase lights 1 hour every other day until you get to 18/6....keep nitrogen levels low and temps in the 70's for the first 30 days also...this is more like spring time conditions and you will have better chance of having girls:thumbsup:

learned this from a very good breeder:jointsmile:

[stra8outtaWeed]

looking at your above shot....my guess is that the only girl in your box is the center small one....just a guess from looking at the structure of the plant

the branches on the fan leaves are much longer on the 2 outside small ones and shorter on the center child....long branches usually = male....but grow them out to be certain....just my guess from years of popping seeds before getting my harem!:thumbsup:

[aquanaut]

Oh wow I didn't know you could "encourage" the sex of a plant. Always thought they were pre-determined in the seed.

Thanks for the great tips! :hippy:

[stra8outtaWeed]

Oh wow I didn't know you could "encourage" the sex of a plant. Always thought they were pre-determined in the seed.

Thanks for the great tips! :hippy:

some seeds are pre-determined but most depending on environmental conditions will increase the chance one way or the other....lighting is a critical factor in helping them! try to be Mother Nature and make it spring time in your grow room when popping seeds...70's lights on....down to 50's lights off :thumbsup:

just glad to help...you're welcome! :jointsmile:

[jtsik330]

The bible suggest high N Nutes during early stages to increase chances of female? For some reason I've had pretty good luck with seeds and getting females. Feminized seeds are awesome just make try not to get a strain that still has a high hermie rate, I wasn't aware of this till I already had mine:thumbsup:

[aquanaut]

Day 29 / 5 - AM - Flower


Nothing out of the norm. today.
Watered with nutes.
Plants seem to be getting taller.


http://i46.tinypic.com/9uqlo5.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/2ibj5l1.jpg

[aquanaut]

Day 30 / 6 - AM - Flower


Rotated the smaller pot into the middle as the main plant is just growing like madness.
Watered with nutes this morning.
Noticed the tops are starting to look different... can just looking at the tops determine sex?


http://i47.tinypic.com/28lrhg6.jpg

http://i48.tinypic.com/255n952.jpg

http://i45.tinypic.com/2w735zp.jpg

http://i48.tinypic.com/bg4jkj.jpg

[stra8outtaWeed]

The bible suggest high N Nutes during early stages to increase chances of female? For some reason I've had pretty good luck with seeds and getting females. Feminized seeds are awesome just make try not to get a strain that still has a high hermie rate, I wasn't aware of this till I already had mine:thumbsup:

after reading the MMJ bible it says higher N levels and increased blue light....but that is only info i was not correct on...my bad! i am going to copy that page and post it in a new thread as i am sure with as many peeps as i see growing here many are popping seeds and i am sure they would like to increase the chances of having girls! :jointsmile:

[stra8outtaWeed]

looking at the side by side shots the smaller of the 2 has tighter nodes and shorter branches on the fans....and i think the center one of the 3 smaller plants will be a girl....just my prediction on looking at them! they are looking great...good job on the grow!:thumbsup:

[jtsik330]

after reading the MMJ bible it says higher N levels and increased blue light....but that is only info i was not correct on...my bad! i am going to copy that page and post it in a new thread as i am sure with as many peeps as i see growing here many are popping seeds and i am sure they would like to increase the chances of having girls! :jointsmile:

Saw the thread, sweet post!

The ones that stretch rediculously fast scare me. So far they've been males in my book when they just start shooting up ridiculously. Mine shot up like 2-3 inches every night. I was like WTF! Then I saw the balls and introduced the scissors to them:cool:

[aquanaut]

Question: So during veg while in 1L pots I used to water with nutes everyday.

Now that I'm in 3g pots and in flowering I've been watering with nutes everyday.

Should I water everyday and nute every other? I thought when using Coco I was supposed to water with nutes everyday but starting to think not.

[sarah louise]

I'd be interested to know what's happened to change your mind? Personally, I work coco as a hydroponic medium, ie) I provide consistent strength, nutrient solution at regular intervals and maintain a consistent level of moisture in the medium.

You can, if you wish, pretend that coco is soil and treat it more like a soil grow... it will still grow you some weed, but it wont yield nearly as much as it would under consistently applied hydroponic practices.

[aquanaut]

@sarah - I think my water is too hard where I live and just nuting everyday is causing some salt buildup issues. I think I will follow PhatJay's feeding schedule and do 2 days nutes and 1 day just tap water. Maybe my next grow I'll use pure RO filtered water and supp. my own minerals.


Day 31 / 7 - AM - Flower


Watered all the plants today, no nutes just water.
Think I've confirmed the crazy growing plant on the left is a male, anyone else confirm? I didn't know males can stink this bad!


http://i50.tinypic.com/33emzh2.jpg

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[stra8outtaWeed]

that tall boy needs to be put to death....make room for the girl...i bet the short one is female:thumbsup:

[bickeybammer]

to bad for the male :(
everything else is looking awesome !! :thumbsup:

what i do with coco is flush once a week and nute every watering! but not a big flush like 5 gal of water for a 2gal pot ... just flush until you get plenty of run off..

[aquanaut]

Day 35 / 11 - Flower


Installed new carbon filter- can't smell a thing :)
Started to test my pH and it 6.5+, so the last few days I've been pH adjusting down to 5.8~.
Removed the crazy growing male.
Still no signs of female sex yet :(


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[stra8outtaWeed]

Good looing grow Aq~do you notice how short the stems on the fan leaves are on the 2 stockier plants and how long they are the 2 in the tray with your unknown house plant:)

my bet is the 2 stockier plants are girls and the other 2 are males...just my guess..take a few cuts from the bottom of each if you can to clone:jointsmile:

[aquanaut]

Good looing grow Aq~do you notice how short the stems on the fan leaves are on the 2 stockier plants and how long they are the 2 in the tray with your unknown house plant:)

my bet is the 2 stockier plants are girls and the other 2 are males...just my guess..take a few cuts from the bottom of each if you can to clone:jointsmile:

Thanks stra8outtaWeed! I also started to notice this as you call it out. So do females normally get bushy while the males stretch out more?

Also if I do clone, can I leave them with the current grow with the 12/12 cycle? Or do they need to be in a separate veg area.

[PhatJay]

Come on girls... Aquanaut has been with you for 35 days now, it's about time you got your bits out.

:D

[stra8outtaWeed]

Thanks stra8outtaWeed! I also started to notice this as you call it out. So do females normally get bushy while the males stretch out more?

Also if I do clone, can I leave them with the current grow with the 12/12 cycle? Or do they need to be in a separate veg area.

females take a bit longer to show and males will reach out like those 2 for sun to grow faster so they can pollinate the shorter females!;)

you want to have place they can get 18+ hours of light to keep them in a growing phase!

check this picture out....my buddy is growing these to put outside when it is time but he is vegging them with only 25watt of LED's

he is using 2 screw base LED bulbs in a 2' x 3' space in his closet...a cheap grow area if you can set it up because no heat or venting is needed only a small fan to circulate some air!:thumbsup:

[aquanaut]

Day 38 / 14 - Flower


Can someone tell me if these are female preflowers? Too early to tell?
All pics are from the biggest (middle) plant.


:hippy:

http://imgur.com/s2ucj.jpg

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http://imgur.com/MYdh0.jpg

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[stra8outtaWeed]

not good...i was wrong on that one...hope the other shows girl..damn! i was almost sure that one would show female after seeing the other confirmed male....remember next time to start on a more friendly light schedule to help coax them to being girls! :thumbsup:

keep growing it and see if pistils come out but i am pretty sure that is male!:(

[PhatJay]

Maybe it's time you bought yourself some feminised seeds Aquanaut? You have learnt enough already to know that you are going to get them to harvest. Considering what you have spent in time, equipment and lighting, another few dollars on seeds isn't going to break the bank.

[aquanaut]

Well thanks for all the support guys, really bummed out today :(.

I'll have to order some seeds over the week.

[aquanaut]

Day 39 / 15 - Flower

So after work I took another look at my plants to see how the little ones were doing. I was pretty bummed after finding out my largest plant was a male... again. But to my surprise... I think this is a female?

Correct me if I'm wrong but the thing I thought was a male part is the female... calyx? I took some more pix and if anyone can confirm if it's female I'd be freakin happy. Or if it's a male part and the rest look female, can I just cut it off?

Click image for larger view
All images are from the same plant. I do see some small white hairs making a "V" shape here and there. But I did spot these huge... sac looking things, wondering if they open and let out the hairs?

http://imgur.com/vvhuW.jpg (http://imgur.com/vvhuW.jpg)

http://imgur.com/EQyGS.jpg (http://imgur.com/EQyGS.jpg)

http://imgur.com/yNXG8.jpg (http://imgur.com/yNXG8.jpg)

http://imgur.com/ZB8o8.jpg (http://imgur.com/ZB8o8.jpg)

[stra8outtaWeed]

that brings smile to any growers face when we see the first confirmed girl sign!:pimp:

[aquanaut]

that brings smile to any growers face when we see the first confirmed girl sign!:pimp:

Sure does!

Can anyone confirm pic 2 isn't a sac? Wanna make sure I don't got a hermie :rastasmoke:

[PhatJay]

I do see some small white hairs making a "V" shape here and there.

WOOHOO! :dance: Congrats on your baby girl.

[aquanaut]

Day 41 / 17 - Flower

I think I sorta did some weird method of LST... so when the big plant was transplanted, I accidentally transplanted it diagonally into the new pot. There are a ton of side shoots and a bunch of tops. What do you guys think?


Confirmed the 2 other smaller plants are female too! :jointsmile:


http://imgur.com/MhxeS.jpg (http://imgur.com/MhxeS.jpg)

http://imgur.com/fIVYC.jpg (http://imgur.com/fIVYC.jpg)

http://imgur.com/2w7oy.jpg (http://imgur.com/2w7oy.jpg)

http://imgur.com/OLCzx.jpg (http://imgur.com/OLCzx.jpg)

[stra8outtaWeed]

you may knock a couple of the lower branches that are not getting good light off but the more tops the merrier....SHE loooks good!:thumbsup:

[aquanaut]

Day 42 / 18 - Flower

http://imgur.com/zFwH3.jpg (http://imgur.com/zFwH3.jpg)

http://imgur.com/CKDgL.jpg (http://imgur.com/CKDgL.jpg)

[aquanaut]

Day 43 / 19 - Flower


Started to include a low dosage of Canna PK 13/14
The smell is getting much stronger.
Just got a deal on a Hortilux Eye Super HPS... will switching to it now stress my plants?


http://imgur.com/o6yml.jpg (http://imgur.com/o6yml.jpg)

http://imgur.com/hiqCS.jpg (http://imgur.com/hiqCS.jpg)

[aquanaut]

Day 45 / 21 - Flower


Ramping up the PK dosage.
Replaced generic 400w HPS with Hortilux Eye Super HPS
It's brite. :hippy:


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[aquanaut]

Okay I'm in a phase of growing that's confusing me. So I'm a little passed 3 weeks into flowering and noticed the lower leaves are showing some signs of nute burn yet the top top of my plant is showing signs of not enough N, with no signs of burn at all.

Is this normal?

[aquanaut]

Day 49 / 25 - Flower

http://imgur.com/FrOwN.jpg

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http://imgur.com/vkF9E.jpg

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[stra8outtaWeed]

AWESOME.....i bet your a happy camper everytime you visit your girls! they are looking great...and the new bulb is going to help alot:thumbsup:

good move in choosing the Hort...the only HPS bulb i would ever use...before i switched to LED's...you'll be happier with the end result and should notice better growth from here on out:smokin:

[PhatJay]

I spy with my little eye, something beginning with T.

:stoned:

[aquanaut]

Day 51 / 27 - Flower


I noticed several branches starting to show purple/red stems and started to add a tiny bit of CalMag+ to my nute mix.
It smells like grapefruit in here :stoned:


http://imgur.com/7dWmH.jpg (http://imgur.com/7dWmH.jpg)

http://imgur.com/KtLzQ.jpg (http://imgur.com/KtLzQ.jpg)

http://imgur.com/cOtYZ.jpg (http://imgur.com/cOtYZ.jpg)

http://imgur.com/vrO5R.jpg (http://imgur.com/vrO5R.jpg)

[aquanaut]

Day 55 / 31 - Flower

http://imgur.com/xqRIa.jpg

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[aquanaut]

http://imgur.com/6SUjx.jpg

http://imgur.com/TrtJY.jpg

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http://imgur.com/dR7vp.jpg

[stra8outtaWeed]

lookin happy~just like you everytime you look in your grow box:thumbsup:

and you are tellin yourself....glad i got a real grow bulb:D

[scottiesng]

New pictures are looking beautiful! Hope the girls yield you lots of danky dank dank!

[aquanaut]

lookin happy~just like you everytime you look in your grow box:thumbsup:

and you are tellin yourself....glad i got a real grow bulb:D

heh i sure am!

[aquanaut]

things are all starting come together now :smokin:

http://imgur.com/zbARM.jpg

http://imgur.com/1R8S8.jpg

http://imgur.com/2N0su.jpg

[aquanaut]

Recently got some Canna Rhizotonic and Cannazyme (new formula)
I started to incorporate the new nutes into my regime for the last few days.


http://imgur.com/CIenA.jpg

http://imgur.com/9mEpL.jpg

http://imgur.com/h64jh.jpg

[stra8outtaWeed]

your girls are lookin awesome:thumbsup:

a suggestion for future grows my friend...get yourself a small bottle of Bushmaster...it will stack your nodes tighter, increase your yield, get them into flower mode faster and keep stretch to a minimum!

you only apply it once on the first dasy of flower and thats it...so a little 4oz bottle will last a very long time and it is only about $20:jointsmile:

[aquanaut]

your girls are lookin awesome:thumbsup:

a suggestion for future grows my friend...get yourself a small bottle of Bushmaster...it will stack your nodes tighter, increase your yield, get them into flower mode faster and keep stretch to a minimum!

you only apply it once on the first dasy of flower and thats it...so a little 4oz bottle will last a very long time and it is only about $20:jointsmile:

thanks! i'll be on the look our for some bushmaster :thumbsup:

[PhatJay]

Looking good. :stoned:

[aquanaut]

Looking good. :stoned:

@Phat - if you are not already using Canna Rhizotonic and Cannazyme, I highly recommend it.

[aquanaut]

http://imgur.com/u8NUK.jpg

http://imgur.com/T1N7f.jpg

[aquanaut]

Day 65 / 40 - Flower

Well about 5.7 weeks into flower now and I think I'm shooting for either 8 - 9 weeks for harvest.

http://imgur.com/mRntE.jpg

http://imgur.com/6N3Nj.jpg

http://imgur.com/NDShK.jpg

[aquanaut]

So on one of my tops I noticed a single calyx that has barely any trichs on it and is really shiny. Also noticed the pistils coming out of this one have already turned brown when others are still white.

Does this mean it has a seed in it?

http://i39.tinypic.com/k0nkp1.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/8y6rgw.jpg

[Charbud]

I had these on my bud and they are not seeds. I also found the pistils went brown quickly but pistil colour isnt a sign of when your bud is ready, the colour of the trichomes is the indicator, you want half milky and half brown.

Also nice grow, all very neat !!

[PhatJay]

@Phat - if you are not already using Canna Rhizotonic and Cannazyme, I highly recommend it.

I have been using Cannazyme throughout both my grows. I havn't grown without it, so I don't know how much of a difference it makes, but the roots on the grow I just finished were really healthy.

Don't worry about that brown pistil, thats normal.

What bloom boosting foods are you using/going to use?

[aquanaut]

I have been using Cannazyme throughout both my grows. I havn't grown without it, so I don't know how much of a difference it makes, but the roots on the grow I just finished were really healthy.

Don't worry about that brown pistil, thats normal.

What bloom boosting foods are you using/going to use?

Hmm... I just used Canna PK.. other then that... nothing? Are there any other bloom boosters I should add even though I'm on the entire Canna regime (besides Boost, shit costs too much)?

[stra8outtaWeed]

you got a seed there...but it could have come from some pollen in the air as yur plants look great and no signs of hermies...so no worry...just finish your girl and hope you don't find more of them.:smokin:

hey 'naut man i want to know how do you get your photo's so large?

is there certain size of file that loads better..i'm curious as i like how they are easy to view:thumbsup:

[aquanaut]

you got a seed there...but it could have come from some pollen in the air as yur plants look great and no signs of hermies...so no worry...just finish your girl and hope you don't find more of them.:smokin:

hey 'naut man i want to know how do you get your photo's so large?

is there certain size of file that loads better..i'm curious as i like how they are easy to view:thumbsup:

My camera saves the pictures as 2816 x 2112px and I resize em down to 40% in MSPAINT 1127x845px. Then I upload the pictures to imgur.com and post the image here, thats it. :jointsmile:

[ForgetClassC]

I like judging grows(when they have them) with seeds, that way, you know when the plant itself is ready, because why would it be ready before its spawn is?

-C

[PhatJay]

Hmm... I just used Canna PK.. other then that... nothing? Are there any other bloom boosters I should add even though I'm on the entire Canna regime (besides Boost, shit costs too much)?

Yeah I meant PK and Cannaboost, stuff like that. Cannaboost is expensive, I got lucky, a friend of mine went to a cannabis growing convention and got a load of free food, including 2 bottles of Cannaboost, which he gave to me. :)

[aquanaut]

Day 70 / 45 - Flower

A little sneak peak :hippy:

I wonder what this bagseed is..

http://imgur.com/6BwgD.jpg

http://imgur.com/ueAmD.jpg

[bondjamesbond]

yummy yummy

[aquanaut]

Day 74 / 49 - Flower


Week 7 Flower - About 90% milky 5% clear and 5% amber.
Will flush around 7.5 weeks till 8.5, harvest.
I think I figured out my bagseed strains.


The plant with super broad leafs and super resiny is looking like some hashy-afghani strain. And my super squat bush with tight internodes looks to be Purple Kush!

I'm starting to notice all my bracts are turning purple in color! Here are some pix of the suspected Purple Kush (week 7 on the dot):

http://imgur.com/950CU.jpg

http://imgur.com/vTgPT.jpg

http://imgur.com/6xhWM.jpg

http://imgur.com/q3xFu.jpg

[raizla]

Those are some GREAT close up shots. Man I need to get a better camera!

[aquanaut]

Okay judging by all my random pocket scope checks (btw the 420 scope kicks ass), it's time to start flushing asap. I'm seeing more then 10% amber now and everything is milky... both in my suspected purple kush and afghani plant.

Maybe I can harvest on 4/20!! :hippy:

[PhatJay]

I flushed my girls for 10 days and then another 3 days in the dark with no water (Stress Ripening). During that time they showed no sign at all of any nute deficency. Maybe it is because my lights are a bit weaker than yours, but I would aim for 10 days of flush if you can. I havn't seen any log on here that has flushed less than 10 days and I am going to do move up to 14 days flush for my current grow.

[aquanaut]

I flushed my girls for 10 days and then another 3 days in the dark with no water (Stress Ripening). During that time they showed no sign at all of any nute deficency. Maybe it is because my lights are a bit weaker than yours, but I would aim for 10 days of flush if you can. I havn't seen any log on here that has flushed less than 10 days and I am going to do move up to 14 days flush for my current grow.

Wow really? I was reading the bible and it said with no flushing agents to flush for 7 days and the last day keep em in 24 hours of darkness. With a flushing agent the bible says to flush for 3 days!

When you flushed for 10 days did you notice the smoke had a chemical taste? Did it burn hot? What was the deciding factor for the 14 day flush?

Thanks! :hippy:

[stra8outtaWeed]

looks like the end of a successful run...even with a few dudes poppin in but the ladies were there for the whole party.:thumbsup:

7 days is all i use and 1 watering of carbs/sweetener before the final dark run and chop! :jointsmile:

[PhatJay]

When you flushed for 10 days did you notice the smoke had a chemical taste? Did it burn hot? What was the deciding factor for the 14 day flush?

The weed tasted fine, it wasn't harsh at all. The deciding factor for me was that every other grow I had seen showed some signs of nute deficency before harvest and I wanted mine to do the same. That way I would know that they had no N left in them to make the weed harsh.

Anyway, you know I am noob like you m8, so if stra8outtaWeed does 7, then I would go with his advice, cos he is a lot more experienced than you and me.

:thumbsup:

[aquanaut]

@phat and str8 - Thanks for dropping by time to time guys! Was nice having someone check up on my first grow and taking me this far.

Just another week =]

[aquanaut]

Started to flush today.. also took a low hanging fruit ;)

She definitely has some color!

http://imgur.com/BOE6x.jpg

http://imgur.com/thM0R.jpg

http://imgur.com/8iTXf.jpg

[PhatJay]

@phat and str8 - Thanks for dropping by time to time guys! Was nice having someone check up on my first grow and taking me this far.

I've enjoyed watching m8, it's helped me learn a few things and it's been quite funny comparing our "First Grow Syndrome" fears, like being too scared to chop anything off our ladies. :D I'm sure once you've got this one harvested, you will have a lot more confidence to try things out, I know I have. That said, attacking my girls with a pair of scissors to Fim them for my second grow was still a very nerve-racking experience.


Started to flush today.. also took a low hanging fruit

If that low hanging fruit doesn't blow you away, don't panic! I took a smallish bud off one of my plants early and it wasn't anywhere near as good as the buds I harvested later, which got better and better the longer I cured them. Good weed definitely requires patience.

[aquanaut]

So I noticed I'll have a ton of popcorn size buds. How do I prevent this? Do people just chop all the lower branches and buds away early? Does that make all the other buds bigger?

[PhatJay]

I ended up with 12g's of popcorn buds on my 1st grow (dried weight). They were a really pleasant smoke, but removing them is supposed to concentrate the plants efforts on the larger buds.

After doing a bit of research I found that other people reduce popcorn in 2 ways. Either taking out the lower branches towards the end of the veg stage, or taking out the lower bud sites as they form. I decided to take out the lower branches on my current grow. I did it on the 1st day of 12/12, my girls didnt seem to mind.

Some people repot after take out the lower branches, and raise the soil/coco level to cover the trimmed area. I just raised my coco level by an inch (I planned for this when I potted the cuttings).

It will be interesting to hear what advice the more experienced growers on this forum say, I should have started a thread on this really, but with my new found confidence I decided to just go for it. :D

[stra8outtaWeed]

remember~its a weed!! they grow back..haha! but seriously taking the lower branches off does send the growing energy to the tops so don't be afraid to trim...and using something like bushmaster in the beginning doesn't let her stretch as much and make bigger fruit for you! :thumbsup:

[aquanaut]

Day 79 / 54 - Flushing

First two are the suspected hash plant and the last one is (im pretty sure) PK.

http://imgur.com/Rg57w.jpg

http://imgur.com/pemEY.jpg

http://imgur.com/54SvL.jpg

[TruePyroman]

Can I request an out-of-room pictures of them? or with some other light than the HPS?

I wanna see what those look like under regular light before you chop em down!

:) :) :) :)

[aquanaut]

Sure can :rastasmoke:

http://imgur.com/oep6i.jpg

http://imgur.com/bMBsM.jpg

http://imgur.com/IoAno.jpg

[TruePyroman]

Beautiful. :thumbsup:

[aquanaut]

581.3 grams wet harvested

[aquanaut]

http://imgur.com/wRpgb.jpg

http://imgur.com/CnXdn.jpg

http://imgur.com/2PrMb.jpg

[Shovelhandle]

Pretty nice harvest, Bub! :stoned:

[PhatJay]

Ahhh memories.... I used to have a pile of weed like that... until I set fire to it. :jointsmile:

Nice bit of trimming work m8, that main cola looks phat. My main colas were 12 and 16g dried weight. I also found that the weed dried faster when I stripped some of the bark/skin off the stalks (just in case you are getting impatient).

[canniwhatsis]

Wow! those are some sick buds!

[sarah louise]

Congrats for your first harvest. Looks lovely :thumbsup:

I wouldn't worry over the pop corn too much, as you get a handle on flowering nutrition the lower buds will fill out better and be well worth a moment's trimming.