A Try At Rusty's Bonzai

[Skihigh]

Thought I'd give this a shot.
I want to reveg so I can have clones.
Looks like I'm gonna have to learn how to attach pics...again...:stoned:
I'll be back!

[Skihigh]

I can't figure how to post a pic. and I can't find the help button!
As soon as I get it figured out I'll Start a log on the progress.....

[Skihigh]

Here's a pic. from yesterday...3 days after taking all the buds off.

[Skihigh]

From a 3 gal. to a 1 1/2 gal. bucket.
The root ball just before the deed is done.
The trimmed roots.
In her new pot.
The last pic. is a close up of what's still there before the root trim & repot.
Before covering the rootball, I sprayed it until fairly damp with Olivia's Cloning Solution mixed per instructions on the bottle.
I also laid some flat stones in the bottom of the pot, covereing them with a piece of cloth, then the new soil, the root ball and finished filling in around the rootball.
I watered it in with Fox Farms Grow Big and Big Bloom at 1/2 strength with a Tbl. spoon of unsulfured molasses.
This all took place yesterday afternoon. I'll post another pic. later today.:jointsmile:
I think I need this plant to stretch a bit before putting her back into flower so i'm gonna keep her not so close to the lights...Maybe about 18-20" away.

[bickeybammer]

LOOKING GOOD!!!!!! im thinking about doing this with my jack herer! i cant wait to see what yours comes out like ! :hippy:

whats the strain?

[Skihigh]

Hey bicky...It's my first try at it....bagseed...Thanks for stopping by!!

[jakester]

It's not gonna want much light so off on the side is fine.

I wonder if rinsing in lukewarm water and separating the roots would do more harm than good. Maybe I will try if I can ever get my gro-project underway.

[Skihigh]

Her's a couple of pics. from this morning...things ain't looking too good.
I don't have a clue how to help it out so I'm just gonna leave it alone.
Hopefully, it'll need a drink in a few days.
Jakester...Thanks for stoppin' by.

[jakester]

Uhoh...did you leave any bud on it? I think it needs the bud remnants to get new growth going.

[Rusty Trichome]

From a 3 gal. to a 1 1/2 gal. bucket.
The root ball just before the deed is done.
The trimmed roots. Did you shake-out the old soil from the rootball before replanting? If so...why? Shaking-out the soil from rootball allows roots to tangle, stretch, die. Dead roots rot.
After the trim I end-up with a rootball that looks a bit like a half-gallon of milk. I trim off as much as necessary to fit in new home, plunk that into the new pot, and replace soil around rootball with fresh soil.


In her new pot.
The last pic. is a close up of what's still there before the root trim & repot.Ok...looks cool. Except for the stress and possible ph issue.


Before covering the rootball, I sprayed it until fairly damp with Olivia's Cloning Solution mixed per instructions on the bottle.
I also laid some flat stones in the bottom of the pot, covereing them with a piece of cloth, then the new soil, the root ball and finished filling in around the rootball. :eek:
Well...cloning gel is to used to form roots from non-rootstock, and doesn't benefit this process. Thought I mentioned this in the thread.
Covering the drain stones with a piece of cloth will retain water. I used plastic shade cloth. Now-a-days I place the stones in the drip tray, instead of inside the pot.


I watered it in with Fox Farms Grow Big and Big Bloom at 1/2 strength with a Tbl. spoon of unsulfured molasses.
This all took place yesterday afternoon. I'll post another pic. later today.:jointsmile:
I think I need this plant to stretch a bit before putting her back into flower so i'm gonna keep her not so close to the lights...Maybe about 18-20" away.
The nutrient mix sounds right, but hold-off on the molasses till flower cycle.
Putting it in flower now would likely be a death sentance.
I would either re-pot and flush, or flush really good (after soil dries a tad) and ride it out. What kind of cloth is covering the drainage rocks? Remember...cloth holds moisture, and cannabis prefers a wet-dry cycle. If heavy enough, the cloth might be retaining too much moisture for too long, which can promote root rot.

[Skihigh]

Nope...I went out of my way to make sure that all the bud material was as gone as I could get it to go!...:beatdeadhorse:....Maybe not the thing to do?
This is just a practice run but I'm hopin' the plant makes it 'cause the smoke I've sampled from it is pretty kick-ass.

[jakester]

Nope...I went out of my way to make sure that all the bud material was as gone as I could get it to go!...:beatdeadhorse:....Maybe not the thing to do?
This is just a practice run but I'm hopin' the plant makes it 'cause the smoke I've sampled from it is pretty kick-ass.Yeah, all the new growth comes from the remaining buds in my experience.

Give it time, you might be surprised.

[Rusty Trichome]

Nope...I went out of my way to make sure that all the bud material was as gone as I could get it to go!...:beatdeadhorse:....Maybe not the thing to do?

That's what I do, and it works for me. The more flower you keep, the more flowering hormones remain present, which I believe delays the re-veg process.

[Skihigh]

Hi Rusty..Thanks for stoppin' by.
I tried not to disturb the root ball other than the trim job...No shake it out...Tried to be as gentle as possible.
Oops about the cloning solution...Thought I saw it in your thread...
The cloth on the bottom is a piece of old thin tee shirt...???
Maybe I should flush today?... Or wait a few days?
My plan (I think) is to leave it alone until it needs water and keep it not so close to the lights so it will stretch a bit...Sound like the thing to do?

[Rusty Trichome]

After some more thought, I think I'd wait till rootball dries-out a bit and carefully slip it out of the pot to remove the cloth. Then, flush well with properly ph'd water to try and release the cloning gel hormones.

No blazing 1000watts of light, but normal distance on outside edge of garden. She still wants/needs to photosynthesize.

I'll have to double-check the thread. I know I mentioned sprinkling a little rooting hormone powder to the rootball early in my thread, but found it ineffective, and possibly counter-productive. Thought I corrected that error later in the post, but will have a look. :thumbsup:

[Rusty Trichome]

My bad. I thought I had corrected the rooting hormone thing a while back. Must have been in someone else's thread. :stoned:

Looked through both of my re-veg threads:
Rusty's Re-Veg (http://boards.cannabis.com/advanced-techniques/152079-rustys-re-veg.html) and
Rusty's Bonsai Downsizing (http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/146765-rustys-bonsai-downsizing.html)

...and apparently I didn't ammend my technique to not include the rooting hormone. It's not that the rooting hormone will kill roots in moderation, as I did it for a year or so with the powder with no noticible ill effects. But once I stopped, no noticible change. Doubtful it's the cause of your plants' condition, but trimming roots without the hormone works fine. :thumbsup:

[jakester]

Next time do an experiment Rusty, leave a tiny piece of bud. I bet you will find that it doesn't delay veg onset by much if at all and you will get MANY branches from the revegging bud sites.

[Rusty Trichome]

Many branches that are packed in a ball so tightly that no light or air can penetrate, and holds water drops to the point of spoiling leaves and promoting disease or rot? No thanks. I prefer my way. It promotes a cleaner/healthier plant.
That's one of the reasons why I recommend plucking the buds. (that, and the flowering hormones contained within the plant material itself)

95% of what I post is personal experience, the rest I glean from experts in the plant biology field that have no financial ties to my garden. :thumbsup:

[Skihigh]

Looks like it might work...
All the larger leaves dried up but there are some small leaves starting to show.
I went ahead yesterday and did a pretty good flush with PH'd well water and today a couple real small leaves came out.:)

[jakester]

Many branches that are packed in a ball so tightly that no light or air can penetrate, and holds water drops to the point of spoiling leaves and promoting disease or rot? No thanks. I prefer my way. It promotes a cleaner/healthier plant.
That's one of the reasons why I recommend plucking the buds. (that, and the flowering hormones contained within the plant material itself)

95% of what I post is personal experience, the rest I glean from experts in the plant biology field that have no financial ties to my garden. :thumbsup:I am sure you are right. In my experience it doesn't slow regrowth but you are dead on about the cluster of branches. I will definitely try it your way the next time I get the chance. Leaving buds makes TOO many branches that need to be massively cleaned up stressing the mother additional times.

[Rusty Trichome]

Congrats on the positive signs. Looks like a fair start to me. :thumbsup:

Leaving buds is fine, it is just messier and takes longer to start the re-veg. More time for something to go wrong before new growth appears, too. Personal preference in the long run.

[Skihigh]

Well...I guess I need to give up on this re-veg...There ain't a green leaf left on the plant....Dammit!
We'll use what's left over in a soup or something.
I started my current grow on 12/12 Friday so in a few weeks I'll have some thing to try it again.
I screwed it up somewhere...Guess we'll find out later!
Thanks to all for stoppin' by!!! :jointsmile:

[bickeybammer]

sorry to hear that :(

im still gunna try this with my jack soo ill have to elarn from your mistakes!

theres always a positive in something

[Ocotillo]

Actually, it's Bonsai. "Bonzai" is a totally differnet thing. If you ever went out with a Japanese chick she'd rip you a new one for saying it the wrong way.
Doc Oc

[Ocotillo]

"Banzai（万歳）" literally means ten thousand years (of life). It is written with the combination of the kanji characters for "ten thousand（万）" and "age（歳）." Click here to learn the kanji characters for it.

"Banzai" is a Japanese cheer that can be translates as "Long life!" or "Hurrah!" It is usually repeated three times to express enthusiasm, celebrate a victory, applause and favor on happy occasion while raising both arms. It is commonly done together with the large group of people.

Foreign people seem to confuse "Banzai" with a war cry. It is probably because the Japanese soldiers shouted "Tennouheika Banzai!(天皇陛下万歳!)" when they were dying during World War II. In this context what they meant was "Long live the Emperor" or "Salute the Emperor".

vs.

n., pl.,
Bonsai.
1.The art of growing dwarfed, ornamentally shaped trees or shrubs in small shallow pots or trays.
2.A tree or shrub grown by this method.

Learn it, know it, live it.
Doc Oc