led vs hps?

[derrickadam]

so i have been reading alot about l.e.d and it seams most of the stuff im reading is coming from people with a interest in selling the product.. now i have done lots of out doors and a few crops under hps. nothing spectacular. I have a room in mind its 4 foot by 10 and i want to get about 15 plants in there.. should i sell my 1000 and 600 hps and get some leds or buy new bulbs and keep the old humming sunsupplys... anyone on here using leds? how well do they work.... how high from the plants can a hps be hung and still be very effective. im wondering if the too lights will be enofe to cover the 4x10 area??? some one please help me make this decsession. also what about the new electronic ballests i seen one the is a dual 600 hps was thinking about mounting the 1000 in the middle and the two 600 lower at each end. and then moving plants every 2 days. and also how much dose it cost to run a 1000w and a 600w. per month??? sorry for the scattered brained questions. and hi all this is my first post love the sight:rastasmoke:

[the image reaper]

hold onto your present lamps :smokin:

[Dutch Pimp]

hold onto your present lamps :smokin:
and don't get your fingerprints on the fucking bulbs...:D

[the image reaper]

yup, that too !, them suckers get HOT ! :D

[stra8outtaWeed]

I was using 2 1000's....1 over each 3 x 3 tray and a 600w for veg and 10000btu AC for cooling the room! 10'x12' total area

I started converting the grow side first with 2 procyon100's...good lights but small and expensive! then i also converted my cloning cab to LED's everything growing more healthy than before. I then got my hands on Welthink WEX-C150 and I liked the design of it being a 40" bar of 3 watt LED's....i have 7 of them now :stoned:

I got rid of all of my HID and AC now and run start to finish under LED

i reduced power consumption by over half of what i previosly used and the next step is adding CO2 to these babies in the near future! :jointsmile:

[jakester]

I was using 2 1000's....1 over each 3 x 3 tray and a 600w for veg and 10000btu AC for cooling the room! 10'x12' total area

I started converting the grow side first with 2 procyon100's...good lights but small and expensive! then i also converted my cloning cab to LED's everything growing more healthy than before. I then got my hands on Welthink WEX-C150 and I liked the design of it being a 40" bar of 3 watt LED's....i have 7 of them now :stoned:

I got rid of all of my HID and AC now and run start to finish under LED

i reduced power consumption by over half of what i previosly used and the next step is adding CO2 to these babies in the near future! :jointsmile:Ok, so you could continue to save electricity by not growing ANY weed indoors. So you replaced your HIDs with LEDs? There is no way your yield and quality is comparable to the HPS setup. If you try to tell me that you replaced 2600 watts of HPS and your LEDS do the same thing I will have to call complete and utter BS on you.

[stra8outtaWeed]

i just harvested on wednesday and i have great herb...dense hard nugz and the oil and resins have increased since switching to LED!

stick with what you like jakester...btw i have a deer problem and it is hard to grow outdoor when you have had a spinal cord injury and have to use a wheelchair...i need good meds for my pain...and i only grow OG SFV for myself...no bullshit!

[MerryPrankstr]

Ok, so you could continue to save electricity by not growing ANY weed indoors. So you replaced your HIDs with LEDs? There is no way your yield and quality is comparable to the HPS setup. If you try to tell me that you replaced 2600 watts of HPS and your LEDS do the same thing I will have to call complete and utter BS on you.

Look up posts from Weezard.

He ran his own home made LED against outdoor grows and his LEDs won in terms of looks, smell potency and yield, IIRC.
He's a legal grower in Hawaii, BTW. The sun is real good there.

I run LEDs, too, but am not as adept.

The up-front cost is very high now. Most of the lamps you see hawked are getting mighty close to snake-oil territory. BUt if you can get your hands on some serious LED gear you will see that it cango toe to toe with HIDs and be a serious contender.

[stra8outtaWeed]

Look up posts from Weezard.

He ran his own home made LED against outdoor grows and his LEDs won in terms of looks, smell potency and yield, IIRC.
He's a legal grower in Hawaii, BTW. The sun is real good there.

I run LEDs, too, but am not as adept.

The up-front cost is very high now. Most of the lamps you see hawked are getting mighty close to snake-oil territory. BUt if you can get your hands on some serious LED gear you will see that it cango toe to toe with HIDs and be a serious contender.

i have many old school friends who are adding LED and removing HID after watching my grows....i found most important is having the 660nm and 3500k warm white wavelengths in getting proper finishing times.
:jointsmile:

[jakester]

i just harvested on wednesday and i have great herb...dense hard nugz and the oil and resins have increased since switching to LED!

stick with what you like jakester...btw i have a deer problem and it is hard to grow outdoor when you have had a spinal cord injury and have to use a wheelchair...i need good meds for my pain...and i only grow OG SFV for myself...no bullshit!What is your yield like with the LED VS the HPS? How about light penetration?

I would call BS...I would also love to be wrong.;) It's tough to believe that little LEDs can throw as much energy into a fruiting plant as an HPS.

[stra8outtaWeed]

i first added 2 of the LED bars to the outer edges of my plants and my yield increased from around 350gr per tray to 400gr per tray....i removed 1 of the 1000w HPS and placed 3 150w LED bars over one of my trays to see how they would do alone and the plants under the other 1000w in the next tray all started leaning to the LED's so i removed it and have been growing with nothing but LED's for about 4 months now! i have had 2 complete harvests with the LED's and the first one was 463gr and the ones i just took down this week shuold yield about the same...so i am producing around 1 gram/watt with my setup! :thumbsup:

after doing more research on the LED's and noticing more plant mass and healthier root zones it only makes sense that yields will increase with using the proper wavelengths corresponding with photosynthesis!:jointsmile:

the LED's i use have 52 3w LED's per 40" bar :cool:

[MerryPrankstr]

Do your own research. All the facts are right here on this site. Weezard is growing using 15 watts per emitter technology that leaves all these "advanced lighting companies" in the dust. He had to cut back his production techniques to stay legal!

I have no interest in selling you any lights or changing what you do or the way you grow, BTW. As far as I'm concerned you can grow with a candle and a magnifying glass if it makes you happy.

Just trying to suggest that you do a bit more research.

M.P.

[jakester]

Do your own research. All the facts are right here on this site. Weezard is growing using 15 watts per emitter technology that leaves all these "advanced lighting companies" in the dust. He had to cut back his production techniques to stay legal!

I have no interest in selling you any lights or changing what you do or the way you grow, BTW. As far as I'm concerned you can grow with a candle and a magnifying glass if it makes you happy.

Just trying to suggest that you do a bit more research.

M.P.I have heard the claims, seen the pics, it's still tough to believe. Even at a gram a watt you would need 2000 or so watts to match a couple 1Kwatt hps at least. In LEDs that's a bundle of money.

Sorry I "called BS".

[Weezard]

What is your yield like with the LED VS the HPS? How about light penetration?

I would call BS...I would also love to be wrong.;)

Well then. I'm about to make you happy.:)

It's tough to believe that little LEDs can throw as much energy into a fruiting plant as an HPS.

Yes, it is tough.
But, belief is not required, my friend.

First.
Any commercial offering that still uses 1 Watt emitters is obsolete.
Do not waste your time and money on them.
They are just re-packaged UFOs.
I have tried the UFOs
They grow bud, but not very well.

And, like you, I was skeptical 'bout leds too.
Even DIY was more than I wanted to spend.
But, we pay half a buck per kwh, so, I can't afford to run a big HPS.
I was kinda forced to try leds.
I'm just lucky that way.:)

The Procyon is a good unit but Pricey, so I've never had the opportunity to test one.
My homebrew lamps rival natural sunshine, but I'm not selling them, or anything, for that matter. (I is retired:jointsmile:)

When my first 3W and 5W emitter based units actually grew decent bud I was stoked!
The Theoreme and the Lumigrow look like good products and Old Mac uses and loves the Theoreme lights.
But, at skywards of $1000 they were not in my budget.
So, I designed and built my own and started doing side by side grows.
I've never been fond of HPS and decided that only trying to grow "just as well" as HPS showed a lack of ambition.:)

So, head to head with tropical sunlight.
You might want to check my albums.

My motivation?
Better meds for everyone, no charge.:cool:

Aloha,
Weezard

[Weezard]

Look up posts from Weezard.

He ran his own home made LED against outdoor grows and his LEDs won in terms of looks, smell potency and yield, IIRC.
He's a legal grower in Hawaii, BTW. The sun is real good there.

Mahalo, MP

"I run LEDs, too, but am not as adept."
Hah!
No sell yerself short.
You got skills.
Your grows impressed me.
I'll leave ya my light and some seeds when I croak.
Then we shall see some super girls.
Seriously, I have a list of folks to send my gear to when I no need it anymore.


What?!

Jus' wanna hook the best growers up with the best tools.:thumbsup:

Weed should be free,
and as sweet as it can be.
Turn a shrub into a tree
Excellence made real E Z.


Keep in mind.


I just chose, and then cross bred,
Strains that love to see a led.
And I use hydro nutes in coco.
Though dirt farmers called me loco
That alone gives me an edge.
My light rivals da sun, for buds.
And beats ol' sol, hands down, for veg!:D

The down side?

My HI Homie III cross is not even viable outdoors.
The buds are too fat and dense to shed water properly.
If they get spritzed, they retain the water and it stagnates and rots the bud.:(

The up-front cost is very high now. Most of the lamps you see hawked are getting mighty close to snake-oil territory. BUt if you can get your hands on some serious LED gear you will see that it cango toe to toe with HIDs and be a serious contender.

Wait, what?
I coulda been a contenda?!
Instead of a lazy gecko?!
Which, is what I am.:cool:
Now ya tells me.;)

Aloha brah, I miss your growlog.

Wee zard

[MerryPrankstr]

Weez,
Just straightening up some stuff on my end and hopefully I'll be back in the saddle and posting regularly again.

Thanks for the previous post and your very kind words.

Just a bit longer, Brah !

M.P.

[jakester]

Do the units need an amp or special driver? Anyone have any schematic info to share? I would love to try one if I could build it for a decent price.

[MerryPrankstr]

Jakester


Start here (http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-lighting/167881-calling-out-weezard-led-advice.html)

Then you can ask Weezard questions from there:


Enjoy!

M.P.

[jakester]

Thanks!