Growers

[FLYINGHIGH2]

Does anyone have any info on weather anymore growers are gonna be approved? I haven't heard nothing so I am just wondering. Because we definatelly need some more.

[coolslayer]

You do know that there are 5 producers now?

I do agree though.......5 isn't enough to serve 900 patients.

[FLYINGHIGH2]

Yes I know there are 5. I'm just wondering since everyone runs out fast and or doesn't have good quality medicine. I figured since DOH wants 100 patients per grower they would need to be approving at least 4 more soon to keep up with their guidelines. Kinda curious.

[JohnMonad]

I have read a lot of your posts on this site.
Do you have a NM MMJ Card?
If so what strains have you tried from a authorized NM Producer that you did not like?

JM

[coolslayer]

There should be a new producer coming soon with a larger variety of strains.

[olliegrow]

Ive had the cherry hemmingway, crap...dieselkush, tasted like cardboard....yumbolt,was the best but was way expensive !! Ive picked up better and cheaper medi bud off the steets..lol...they need to start growing their shit locally instead of bringing it in from cali and az !!

[cronicmonster]

What ????? why complain about it??? GROW YOUR OWN!!!!Dispensary weed is low quality most of the time so get used to it....I went in a disp. in Durango....(Natures Medicine) the other day they had 15 jars of meds and not a single jar was even worth smokin...I purchaced a couple joints $20each!!! I still have one and 3/4 left.....JOKE.I bought the "sno-cap" to try.....GUARENTEED it was NOT snocap.....All the jars they had were full of these TINY budlets.No outdoor grown meds at all!!!
I realize not everyone can grow but you can control the quality a little better that way.

[JohnMonad]

What producer here in NM had these strains that you tried?
cherry hemmingway,dieselkush and yumbolt.

[coolslayer]

Sounds like SFINM is the one he got those from.

[JohnMonad]

No coolsalyer SFINM has never had any of those strains.
I am a patient of theirs and they have never been offered.
Same with SWOP they have never offered any of those.

So maybe Ollie will clear this up for us. He is complaining about bad MMJ but he hasn't purchased any of those from a NM authorized Producer\Grower.

JM

[olliegrow]

ok ok, ive been to both places and had access to their top notch medi bud and it wasnt top notch medi bud !! It sucked for the price and the drive, like ive said earlier most of use can and will find better shit off the street or in private grow ops. I dont want to dime out a NM producer/grower but there is one out west by gallup thats putting out medi grade bud and they grew it themselves with ocean forest, thats all im saying on whos got the worst, you all need to be your own judges...im growing my own with or without the damn card...peace

[JohnMonad]

Didn't know the "Out West" approved Grower was currently distributing. I signed up with one of them and they have not offered any medication to me.
So those strains you hated were absolutely NOT from SWOP or SFINM. That I can assure you!
Good luck with your grow.

JM

[JohnMonad]

I don't believe you have purchased from SFINM or SWOP because you have not mentioned strains that either of them have grown but you are knocking them.
So your credibility with me is Zero point Zero!

JM

[coolslayer]

Are you saying that the one near Gallup has good quality product?

[drfractal]

the near-gallup producer has an impressive array of strains available on their website, but they have not answered any of my inquiries about quality/differences, etc. when they initially came on line, they stated that they had an agreement with UPS to deliver statewide, but now they are only mentioning delivery. anybody have experience with them?

[olliegrow]

haha..some people crack me up...i know people who work both at SFINM an the SWOP there dude and they know they dont have top quality genetics..lol..who are you anyways? I never asked for your crapy reply anyways..Ive had stuff from both placed that was never offered to medi car holders, the private stock jackass...peace

[olliegrow]

I would give thumbs up on the near Gallup producer, I know them from the nursery were they get their soil..excellent stuff with knowledgeable staff...peace

[JohnMonad]

I think your full of crap!
I don't believe you have a NM MMJ card because I have asked you several times and you wont answer me.
If you have friends at both SFINM and SWOP and your getting Medicine from them and your not in the program that sounds phony to me.
These Producers have waited months and months to be approved by the State and I know they would not jeopardize their business by selling or giving Meds to a non NM MMJ patient.

BTW I know the top people at both of the above Producers and a "Private Stock" I don't believe exists.
If there is a Private Stock its for Jackasses like you.
Who am I?
I'm someone very involved with the Producers and Patients. So I have some knowledge on the subject.

Also try using the spell check when you are writing your posts they are a mess.

JM

[coolslayer]

You do know that there are 5 producers now?

I do agree though.......5 isn't enough to serve 900 patients.

Correction,1008 patients in the program now.

[patient4200]

should be another 4-5 approved in the next 60 days..still won't be enough however....with what I'm seeing we need two-three producers for every 100 patients since growing 50-100 pounds isn't as easy as folks think and everybody seems to run out within a week of announcing supply.

It's going to be problematic for at least a year. I'm fortunate in that I don't need to rely on a dispensary right now. I would like to try some other varieties when things settle down a bit.

[JohnMonad]

Hi P4200,
Can you share with us why you think in 60 days we will have 4 or 5 more approved Producers?
Whats your source?

Thanks,
JM

[coolslayer]

I would like to know that also.

[bedrockbob]

OK, whatâ??s the deal with the non-profit growers and the market not being able to handle a tax and all? I know there are folks involved with the growers here and maybe they could offer some insight.

Right now there are thousands of people growing marijuana. I know one person in California that grows 90 plants at a time. That is ten, 650W. HPS lights in a 20 X 20 layout, a veg room with clones and moms, connected to a small work space. It is actually a guest house with one bedroom and a modest kitchen/living room, with an attached double car garage.

This person grows, harvests, markets, and sells the product with the help of his wife, his daughters, and one neighbor. Of course they are growing as a collective for several consumers so marketing and sales are fairly simple. They make very good money doing this and the bud sells for market value.

â?¦Just about exactly the size of operation the State allows our medical growersâ?¦

Are the regulations preventing the producers to be profitable growing marijuana at $10-$15 a gram, 95 plants at a time? It would seem difficult, given the business structure that a producer would have to abide by (the board and the other requirements). It seems that they have not set the limitations at a place that is reasonable to turn a profit...Or actually in our case the salaries of the board?

It seems that there is already a successful business model out there for small cannabis growers. It also seems that the powers that be have decided to re-invent the wheel. If 100 plants per grow is what they feel they can control, they need to model the business around that. It is just basic agribusiness. I donâ??t think we need a board of directors, a doctor, and a super secure area to grow a hundred plants do we? If we want to tax it then the board of directors is going to have to get out the freakinâ?? way and let it be profitable no?

Are the current producers basing their business model on being able to expand beyond what is legal now?

A person that had the market could profit very nicely from a 100 plant grow operation in central Albuquerque, even spending a good amount of their investment concealing an illegal operation. Three guys, ten thousand dollar investment in a rental in the NE heights. You could just start taxing these successful businesses that already exist and get a pile of tax money. They could take every cop off the DARE program and put them protecting the grow operations. Nobody goes to jail, pot is dirt cheap, and the politicians have enough hard earned cash to all take baths in and give jobs to their cousins.

[coolslayer]

They must feel that they have to appease the religious right.

[JohnMonad]

Unfortunately you are not in the NM State Government making the laws here.
All you have said would of coarse work except the "current" laws here are that a Producer\distributor must be a Non-Profit.
Also the 95 plant restriction has to do with the Federal Law. Up until Pres. Obama's instructions to AG Holder not to use funds to hassle people abiding by their States laws.
Our current state law is 95 plants no ifs and or buts. This can and I hope will change as we try to make the program work. Also from what I understand the DOH powers that be don't want a surplus of "Medicine". There is certainly is no surplus here and I don't think there will ever be with these restrictions.
This will all change with time, patience and persistence by all of us.

JM

[bedrockbob]

Yes, growers must be "non profit" but that does not mean that they cant be a success. Methinks that there are too many thumbs in the pie by design.

I am not sure what the laws are, but the board of a non-profit is entitled to a salary. Some salaries in large non profits are huge. So, a reasonable profit of say, $60K per year should be quite possible for an operation that size, provided the organization is not too top heavy. If you do some quick math you will find that 100 plants is not really a lucrative deal for more than three or four people if you get three cycles a year.

Sure the Federal limit is 100 plants. Over that and it is automatically a Federal offense. I dont see the federal law here as the real obstacle. The State could make it work within those limits. California did... kind of. At least on paper.

I have read the state rules and pondered the possibilities. There are a lot of things I dont know about the organization of non profits and all, but the way I see it is that no one would be interested in growing 100 plants even if it were legal unless it was worth their while. Were not talking "uber rich", we are just talking good sustainable business.
I visualize a lawyer, a doctor, and a host of State people needing some money to get this all done. Then they are all doing a dance with the tax man. And somewhere there is a 20 X 20 with ten lights and a maternity ward that is actually a two man job, with some hired help at harvest...

It seems that permitted personal growers should be allowed to grow for other permitted users, within limits. Say 12 plants, or three patients. Some folks would definitely get together. I bet that if that is suggested it could be done. Also including menstrual cramps as conditions...they cant deny that one....none of us can!

We can give them input as a group and they will listen to reason. We can make headway!

[patient4200]

as I mentioned in some other threads here, non-profit essentially means that monies remaining after paying what the IRS considers reasonable expenses must be dispersed. Audits assure that the money isn't dispersed improperly.

If you sit down and do the real math, there isn't a whole lot of money to made, considering the calculated risk you are going to be taking of you entire operation being taken down by the feds, regardless of what the current politics are, the DEA pretty much does what they want. Obama could be out in three years and who knows which way the wind blows after that

Do the math, you'll see why nobody wants to invest 20-50k for a startup. Those who think it can be done for nothing, never ran any kind of business. This is an agriculture biz, plain and simple, 420 culture aside, you might as well be farming Chile.

This is one reason you aren't seeing dozens of dispensaries cropping up ( hahah) here in NM. Far from the other state models, where dispensaries outnumber starbucks.

People are secretive for any number of reasons, some are blatantly in your face about it. Others are branching out ( haha) into multiple operations and trying to push the non-profit model right to the edge, as everybody in this business needs a six figure legal fund available just in case the feds decide they want a new mexican vacation on the way back from the boarder.

We're really looking at a district of columbia situation here. A law gets passed without any back end support and only after the wagons are circled and the torches are lit will the funding come along to fully implement the programs.

It's similar to the situation in Hatai, places loaded with food and water are denied landing rights while planes carrying news shows are landing by the score.

So far with all the hype, nobody is producing anywhere near max yields or we have some patients diverting supplied by buying max allowed under law from multiple dispensaries ( by the way, no system in place to prevent that from happening, no funds to manage a statewide database of sales)

by the numbers 5 producers should be able to serve 500 patients..let's see

500 patients produce the demand for 1000 z's a month ( going on a recent public statement about consumption), 4 months for a cycle

so every 4 month cycle we need 4000 oz of meds.

uh..that's 250 pounds of top bud meds or 50 pounds per producer.

is this possible....maybe with a perfectly dialed in grow, zero loss to bugs or mold and the other 500 patients never coming around.

If we cut this in half it's still a whole lot of expert production with a 95 plant limit.

And of course we assume every patient can afford $800 a month for meds, crikey, my grocery bill isn't $800 a month and I clip coupons

So what's next...bending the rules will eventually get producers shut down, straining things even more. Patients with money will hoard, so folks on real limited incomes go back to the black market or illegal home growing

we need dozens of producers, and there is simply no way the state is going to process those applications on the backs of a $100 fee with three guys working the mcp program.

We have a real problem here. From the business standpoint, it's open for anybody who can actually produce good yields with a 95 plant limit. Illegal grows are 100% profit, untaxed and unregulated, so that will likely become the source for patients, whose MCP card will simply prevent arrest for possession.

I've chatted with some folks who are on the next round of approvals prior to accepting a board position myself, that's my source for a prior statement that we'll see some more producers real soon.

But that's just sticking a finger in the dyke for most folks.

I pass the soapbox to the next person in line....

[bedrockbob]

Hey, it looks like they changed the producers rules a couple of days ago. Just three patients and a health care provider.

So any three patients, with the approval of a doctor, can grow 100 plants with a minimal of BS.

Here is the new app -

http://nmhealth.org/IDB/medicalcannabis/Producer%20Application%20Requirements%20-%20updated-1-26-10.doc


Just slick as heck. Three comitted soldiers could pull it off for an investment of $6K each I bet. The "other health care provider" is not a problem and could be a token board member.

[bedrockbob]

Hey, it looks like they changed the producers rules a couple of days ago. Just three patients and a health care provider.

So any three patients, with the approval of a doctor, can grow 100 plants with a minimal of BS.

Here is the new app -

http://nmhealth.org/IDB/medicalcannabis/Producer%20Application%20Requirements%20-%20updated-1-26-10.doc


Just slick as heck. Three comitted soldiers could pull it off for an investment of $6K each I bet. The "other health care provider" is not a problem and could be a token board member.

All we gotta do is join together, three at a time and form non profits. If folks got organized medical grass would be available from various growers in almost any area of the state!

Give me two good bush doctors with $12K between them and I bet we could be rolling hash off our fingers by September.

[axlom69]

If it was that easy then there would be a lot more than 5 in play already. If you people think it is that easy then give it a try. I have been working with more than A few people to start up a dispensary in NM. Iâ??m stating fact; it takes a lot more than three patients and a good DOC. to open up for business. Problem is everyone wants to say they know but nobody has really done the research on what it takes. It has taking well over 1 year of planning and setting everything up. So unless you have been there you really canâ??t say what it takes. Not one person on these sites has talked about how unless you own your property out right you have to let the lien holder no exactly what you are going to be doing. Letâ??s see you tell wellsfargo you are growing leagel med. They would take away the lone so fast your head will spend. People do your research before commenting.

[bedrockbob]

Wait a minute...I do own my proerty outright. And a few others. And know exactly what it takes to grow 100 plants, so the mechanics of the deal is a no brainer. As far as any other obstacles I suppose that there may some to forming a non profit, but I dont believe it will be much more complicated than forming a corporation, and that is not too bad...Takes a few days.

No one said it would be easy...heck, farmin' aint easy...but it does seem do able. I have started three businesses so far and the licensure and regulation for these looked a heck of a lot worse than what I see here.

And if you are getting a business started too how about some mentorship? It would be a lot less difficult if those that paved the way ahead shared some experience, no? Since the land ownership issue is no concern then what other problems would a fellow encounter along the way? You say that five shows it aint easy? I say that five shows it is very possible, and now with the change in requirements I would say it is a lot more possible.

[bedrockbob]

Seems to me that rather than a "business" model, three patients could get together under a doctors care and grow 100 plants for themselves and a named group of patients. A co-operative situation. No dispensary, no "business", no public outlet. Just exactly the business model that serves the illegal trade so well. Friends providing for each other.

Joe and Rita will grow at their home in the mountains, the other 6 or 8 patients involved will provide the financing up front for a grow. At the end of the first harvest everyone involved gets six ounces and the rest goes to another grower that takes all patients and has a distribution method. Once the operation is paid for it becomes self sustaining. Six ounces for each member, the excess pays for the operation through sales, and everything else is contributed to the Bill Richardson for President fund. Within a year each cooperative will have paid for itself, and will be providing for its mebers and other patients as well.

In New Mexico, where population is spread out and not everyone is trapped in the city, patients should be able to get together. Why should Tucumcari not support Tucumcari. Portales grows what Portales smokes. Hobbs got some killer rope and I hear a lady down there makes home made cherry garcia ice cream! If ten users in each area came together and decided to act as one I BET THAT THEY COULD DO IT.

I would love to start a communal grow with ten patients in the Santa Fe/Las Vegas/Taos/Espanola area. If we work together we can secure our own supply by legally producing our own. We will form a non profit cooperative with ten members and figure out how to equitably divide the risk and expense.

We need to seize this opportunity even if it is not a lucrative business deal. Patients can get medicine and grows can happen. You probably aint gonna get a dispensary with a public door too soon, and it may be tough for a "producer" but a cooperative sharing resources can get it done for people!

[axlom69]

You need to spend as much time doing some real research as you do typing. My biggest issue is that you type allot but there is no real facts. Simply put you cannot open a non-profit or become a licensed producer in the state of NM without doing both. Also no producer can supply another producer or non-profit cannot sale to a producer. Where you are coming up with this stuff is beyond me. I find all my info on the state ran links with real facts and good info. Try looking at them is amazing what you learn.

Like I said before I have been working on this for a long time. Coolslayer asked why not help with info. To answer you I got no help to get where I am going. But maybe when I get there I will give info for a small fee. Like you said nothing is FREE

[Needmymeds]

Axlom69 How long does it take to get growers liscense? I am thinking about applying and I have some land already.:thumbsup:

[coolslayer]

Good post,JM.

[coolslayer]

You need to spend as much time doing some real research as you do typing. My biggest issue is that you type allot but there is no real facts. Simply put you cannot open a non-profit or become a licensed producer in the state of NM without doing both. Also no producer can supply another producer or non-profit cannot sale to a producer. Where you are coming up with this stuff is beyond me. I find all my info on the state ran links with real facts and good info. Try looking at them is amazing what you learn.

Like I said before I have been working on this for a long time. Coolslayer asked why not help with info. To answer you I got no help to get where I am going. But maybe when I get there I will give info for a small fee. Like you said nothing is FREE


"coolslayer" didn't say that.I have all the info that I need,thanks.

[coolslayer]

Axlom69 How long does it take to get growers liscense? I am thinking about applying and I have some land already.:thumbsup:


It could take from 4 months up to a year.

[Needmymeds]

It could take from 4 months up to a year.

Thanks coolslayer

[coolslayer]

Thanks coolslayer



That's what I am here for,and I will always keep it real.

[bedrockbob]

You need to spend as much time doing some real research as you do typing. My biggest issue is that you type allot but there is no real facts. Simply put you cannot open a non-profit or become a licensed producer in the state of NM without doing both. Also no producer can supply another producer or non-profit cannot sale to a producer. Where you are coming up with this stuff is beyond me. I find all my info on the state ran links with real facts and good info. Try looking at them is amazing what you learn.

Like I said before I have been working on this for a long time. Coolslayer asked why not help with info. To answer you I got no help to get where I am going. But maybe when I get there I will give info for a small fee. Like you said nothing is FREE


I believe that I have done the research my friend. You seem to beleive my idea is impossible for some reason, and that is cool. I dont think it is. I checked it out today with the Director of the public Health Division Jack Callighan and he seems to think that it would be much less of a problem than the classic "dispensary" model that is so popular. You see, no one has defined a specific business model...most folks just try to replicate what has already been done. The state rules just give you some hoops to jump through.


Four months to a year for approval is really nothing in the business world. That is really not that bad and if you were to start a subdivision, a grocery business or even a convinience store the time line would be much the same. If you were going to build a simple reswidence in Santa Fe you could wait MUCH longer than that for a simple building permit. So this is not an obstacle in the real business world at all.

I wondered what response I would get from you "axlom69". You seem to not have the business personality and I would expect that is where most of your frustration and anger is coming from. maybe you just arent cut out for this business.

Anyway, it will not be that hard to work up this type of business plan and get some advice from those who actually can HELP towards these ends. The whole thing is in its infant stages and it WILL evolve. How it evolves is up to the ones who work with the system rather than the ones who are so frustrated by it... That is a little piece of business advice that I learned years ago when I started my first construction company. I will let you have that advice for free, just because I am a nice guy. It is a very valuable piece of advice, but I am sure that you must realize that!

[axlom69]

First letâ??s say sorry to coolsalyer. He is not the one I was directing that response to. It was torts the bedrockbob response. I am far from frustrated with this proseâ??s. I just donâ??t like people misleading others on the path to nowhere. Which is exactly what you are doing with these false statements? Fact 1 you cannot be a licensed producer in NM without opening a dispensary. That does not mean a brick and mortar building just away to distribute your product. U are truly amusing thinking you can open up a hippy commune and disperse your product and the state is going to let this happen I think not. You say you have spoken to one person. There is nothing to get frustrated over. My company and I are on the last phase of approval. So why you think I am frustrated with the state is weird. When I keep saying that you are misleading everyone on this board by making false statements with no factâ??s to back it up. I have looked long and hard to find these changes in NM state policies to growing MED. Nothing has changed.
In accordance with the New Mexico Department of Health, Public Health Divisionâ??s Rules (Title 7; Chapter 34; Part 4) â??Licensing Requirements for Producers, Production Facilities and Distribution,â?� the following application requirements apply to a non-profit private entity that wishes to operate a facility and produce cannabis for medical use. Any application submitted on or after February 1, 2010 must use this format.

General Requirements: A facility that qualifies to produce and distribute cannabis for medical use is limited to a combined total of ninety-five (95) mature plants and seedlings and an inventory of usable medical cannabis that reflects current qualified patient needs. The non-profit will sell medical cannabis at a consistent unit price and without volume discounts. Only non-profit organizations are eligible for licensure.

Application Requirements: All applicants must develop and submit policies and procedures to produce and distribute medical cannabis. The applicants, if licensed, would be required to maintain these policies and procedures on the premises. At a minimum, the application must include the criteria starting on page 2 of this document. These pages should be used as the index for the application and must be completely filled out, including the page numbers where each item starts.

[bedrockbob]

O.K. fellow. You know more than I do and you say it cant be done. I will point out that you are quoting the rules for a facility that provides a dispensary service and I am proposing a cooperative of patients. I will leave it at that because I can see that you will argue. I am just doing a little dreaming here and you are getting quite ruffled.

I may be just crazy to think that a few patients could get together and produce their own in a common venture. I dont think so though. Even if it is four patients coming together to enable a sea of green, or something along those lines. I believe that it would be worth the effort for a few interested individuals to look at.

So rock on with your dispensary there buddy. I hope you sell a bunch of bud to those who cant grow it for themselves!

[axlom69]

My friend those rules you are talking about are the only ones that have been approved by the state of NM. That is the only way you can legally grow 95 plants. If you think I know more than you cool. I only speak from facts. Good luck with what you are trying to do hope it works out for you. Funny thing is I can talk as much as I want and if you buy from a dispensary in NM you will never know if itâ??s the one I have part owner ship in LOL. Peace to all who enjoy their good MEDs.

[Needmymeds]

Producers should help to put people to work and supply medicine to the sick as their 1st priority.

[coolslayer]

Unfortunately,some will try to become producers just for the money,not out of compassion.The best we can do as patients is to isolate those producers and get our medicine only from the others.

[Needmymeds]

Agreed coolslayer.That is why I hope to become producer.

[bedrockbob]

Unfortunately,some will try to become producers just for the money,not out of compassion.The best we can do as patients is to isolate those producers and get our medicine only from the others.

I honestly believe that the profiteers will not last. There is no real profit in the production now, as we discussed previously in this thread. People that do it for the love of doing it and to help each other...those people will prevail. I don't believe the state wants another Colorado situation, and just yesterday they are proposing big changes in Colorado...More toward the New Mexico model for commercial growers, and supporting cooperative grows.

It certainly works for California. Five to seven people sign on with a person with a setup and they support a grow. They get good meds, its cheap, and they are staying away from the dispensary. If they are all friends it gets cheap really fast. If a person with the equipment wants to produce at a profit they can, but are limited to the amount of patients they are growing for. It works as a small business and as a cooperative. Just like I believe our laws will too.

When dope is legalized, whenever that is, then it will be the day of the "dispensary". This is about Medical Marijuana and legitimizing the use and production of marijuana by the patients. Also, the availability of medicine to every patient.

Heck, it is a hearty plant that thrives in any New Mexico growing zone. We have extensive agriculture and an excellent climate. We have top notch farmers and horticulturists, and one of the premeir agricultural colleges in the world. It should be FREE.

[coolslayer]

Good post,but we need to move away from calling herb "dope".
Cocaine is "dope",cannabis is medicine.

[bedrockbob]

Good post,but we need to move away from calling herb "dope".
Cocaine is "dope",cannabis is medicine.

I have been smoking dope for 35 years. I get your point loud and clear, but please dont be offended if I keep calling it dope. I love dope! :rastasmoke:

[coolslayer]

Calling medicine "dope" only serves to help keep it from being accepted by more people.

[coolslayer]

Just because you have been doing something for many years does not mean you can't change it for the greater good.Stubborn folks have kept cannabis illegal for far too long.Please don't be like those people.

[bedrockbob]

Just because you have been doing something for many years does not mean you can't change it for the greater good.Stubborn folks have kept cannabis illegal for far too long.Please don't be like those people.

Hold up there one minute...I was very polite with you and now you are telling me what I can and cant call dope? And if I dont stop calling it dope I am stubborn and one of the people that has kept it illegal for so long?

Buddy, leave it alone. Lets be friends! Dont tell me what call my pot and I wont tell you what to call Mr. Winkie.

Deal?

[coolslayer]

Hold up there one minute...I was very polite with you and now you are telling me what I can and cant call dope? And if I dont stop calling it dope I am stubborn and one of the people that has kept it illegal for so long?

Buddy, leave it alone. Lets be friends! Dont tell me what call my pot and I wont tell you what to call Mr. Winkie.

Deal?

You seem to have somewhat of a problem with reading comprehension.
I tried to appeal to your common sense by explaining why the word "dope" should not be used in reference to medicine and I asked you quite nicely not to continue doing so.If you want to be hardheaded,that's your choice.

Do you call Tylenol "dope"?

[coolslayer]

"Those that are not a part of the solution are part of the problem".

[bedrockbob]

Nope. I have very good readiung comprehension. You are trying to tell me what I can and cant call my meds. I comprehend that you are a manipulative ass hole. Probaly very full of yourself too from the other threads that I have "comprehended".

So if you consider me part of the problem because I wont bow to your demands then I probably am. Part of your problem anyway. Smokers should stick together, be tolerant, and help each other out. If you are going to belittle me then to hell with you!

Now wasn't that nice? Did you comprehend?

[coolslayer]

Nope. I have very good readiung comprehension. You are trying to tell me what I can and cant call my meds. I comprehend that you are a manipulative ass hole. Probaly very full of yourself too from the other threads that I have "comprehended".

So if you consider me part of the problem because I wont bow to your demands then I probably am. Part of your problem anyway. Smokers should stick together, be tolerant, and help each other out. If you are going to belittle me then to hell with you!

Now wasn't that nice? Did you comprehend?

Dude,I'm through with you.If you cannot read my posts without totally misunderstanding what I am saying,then you are not very bright and I don't have time for you.I never TOLD you to do anything,I merely suggested a positive change in your vocabulary that would benefit you and the movement.
Continue your negativity as you wish,please leave me OUT of it.

[ROSWELL88202]

am minding my own biss and not trying to argue but its called medical marijuana not "dope"

[coolslayer]

am minding my own biss and not trying to argue but its called medical marijuana not "dope"

Thank you.

[bedrockbob]

It is not the spirit of the request that I took exception to, but the execution. It was the insinuation that if I did not comply with the request that I was "part of the problem". It was not a polite request, but a coercive attempt by Coolslayer to try and make me comply with his wishes.

Of course the term "dope" would be derrogatory to most. There is no argument there. I certainly would not advocate for MC and use the term, but then that was not the case was it?

If someone builds fences around me and expects me to act as they wish, do as they wish, or speak as they wish they should go about it a little differently. Telling someone to cooperate else they be "part of the problem" is a sorry way to gain friends and influence people. It is pushy, to say the least.

A good way to do this would be to say something like this;

"I dont use the term "dope" because it diminishes my efforts to legitimize medical cannabis. I do this because I believe that it will create a positive view, rather than a negative view of the herb. I feel that if everyone stopped using that term that it may help further our common cause".

If I were to hear a statement like that I would be happy to support, and would have no problem with it. When I hear some guy on a forum telling me I am somehow less than him because I referred to marijuana as dope on a marijuana forum, I see a boy who is trying to impose his will on someone else. I will resist, adn it will be very difficult to find common ground with that person.

It is not about using the term "dope" as I made perfectly clear. If Coolslayer wants sick people to stop referring to God, and marijuana smokers to stop using the term "dope", he must figure out how to lead them rather than push them away.

You would think that there would be much more productive crusades that Coolslayer could be involved in, but if these are his purposes so be it. I wont let anyone tell me what to say, how to express myself, or what to believe in. Especially if that request is coming from a point of "superiority".

[coolslayer]

Now,you are trying to tell ME what I can/cannot say.Please try not to be a hypocrite.
You're obviously an extremely hard headed person,trust me,that will not serve you well in life......

[metreaux]

I'm a long-time cannabis professional (CA and with the NM program). It is imperative that more QUALITY producers be approved. SWOP gets high marks generally. They seem to be staying the course. Consistent quality and supply, way to go SWOP. SFINM is a little hard to understand at times. They have steadily DECREASED the patients they serve and you'd best mind your P's and Q's lest you be cast out of their circle. Some patients have found themselves locked off of the SFINM website for no apparent reason. They have some quality issues as well. About Feb. and Mar. of 2010, SFINM had some of the best tasting and most beautifully trimmed bud anywhere. What happened is anybody's guess. Mediocre quality that is full of seeds. Ragged trim job. They were once the leader, now they barely rival the quality of GrassRoots Rx---and GrassRoots Rx produces SCHWAG!!

[Anonymouse]

Grass roots provided me with the most potent medicine I've ever tried last week, OG Kush/Trainwreck. Absolutely wonderful and they're curing more this very day.

:)

[coolslayer]

I'm a long-time cannabis professional (CA and with the NM program). It is imperative that more QUALITY producers be approved. SWOP gets high marks generally. They seem to be staying the course. Consistent quality and supply, way to go SWOP. SFINM is a little hard to understand at times. They have steadily DECREASED the patients they serve and you'd best mind your P's and Q's lest you be cast out of their circle. Some patients have found themselves locked off of the SFINM website for no apparent reason. They have some quality issues as well. About Feb. and Mar. of 2010, SFINM had some of the best tasting and most beautifully trimmed bud anywhere. What happened is anybody's guess. Mediocre quality that is full of seeds. Ragged trim job. They were once the leader, now they barely rival the quality of GrassRoots Rx---and GrassRoots Rx produces SCHWAG!!


I have also had no trouble with bad quality product from GrassRoots.
They must not like you or something.

[evailblackthorn]

so strange how pp complain about grassroots i order from them and its quality everytime.

[coolslayer]

so strange how pp complain about grassroots i order from them and its quality everytime.


Yessir,it is very strange. Could someone else be intercepting their product and substituting a lower quality for the original?

[Anonymouse]

Yeah, they're out of product and completely dry, I wanted to try that sativa too :)

[Totah Sam]

Speaking of which. I stopped receiving newsletters from the grow-ops. Does anyone know if any of them have product ready for distribution?

[coolslayer]

I think they are all out(except maybe GRRX) but there is some coming in early July.