First Grow will my setup work?

[spankegti]

Im using 2 65watt grow lights I got at wal-mart. A regular medium soil and I bought plant food ratio 15-30-15, but have not used any of that yet. I germinated the seeds in water for 24 hours then in wet paper towels for another 24 after 3 days in soil this is what they look like. Do u think my setup will yield anything?

[kds666]

I assume that the grow lights that you got from wal-mart are incandecent and not florecent lights. If this is the case the plant will gorw very few nodes, bud spots, and it will most likley be severly stressed from the heat that the lights put out. Your best bet on a limited budget is to use florecent lights. Under no circumstances should you fertilize within the first 2 weeks of vegative growth. After than start on a very low dose, (1/10 the dose on the package), and then you should start to see some good growth. If the lights are indeed incandecent then do not use them. If any of this confuses you please post another reply, and i will try to clarify.
Good luck,
KDS666

[kds666]

PS if you do not know the difference between the lights you can post a picture of them and i will be able to tell what they are

[zemcimill]

I know what its like when your starting one tends to try and keep every thing to a budget but an HID lamp realy would pay for its self.

[spankegti]

I took out the 2 smaller plants and put angela and mary jane in there own pots. I took out the 2 grow lights that were incandecent and replaced it with an old florecent grow light I don't think I need the fan running in the closet temp seems to be 75-80 probably hopefully that light will work maybe ill pick up another cheap florecent

[bigverybig]

to much water slow down

[spankegti]

i had just replanted them in that pic and gave them each maybe a cup of water pouring it evenly around the pot

how much water should I give them?

its good to water once a day and only once a day right?

[Torog]

I took out the 2 smaller plants and put angela and mary jane in there own pots. I took out the 2 grow lights that were incandecent and replaced it with an old florecent grow light I don't think I need the fan running in the closet temp seems to be 75-80 probably hopefully that light will work maybe ill pick up another cheap florecent
Howdy spankegti,

You're gittin there..you need to put the floro,even closer,and use the fan..it will strengthen your plants and help promote proper respiration,you don't want the plants stretching for the light..that will weaken them.

Also,when ya water,make sure the soil has mostly dried out,and the pot is easy to lift,then water until the water runs out the bottom fo a bit,so that the soil near the bottom will git wet and the roots will reach for it..otherwise,if ya just water a little bit,the roots will reach for the soil that's wet..and the roots won't properly develope.

Your mission is to keep the plants from stretching for the light,and to begin strengthening them,with the use of an oscillating fan..you want to have a stout trunk,to bear the 'fruit'.

Have a good one ! :D

[Torog]

I just wanted to add..that if one has seedlings that have stretched for the light,that you may be able to help reverse that,by re-planting the seedling up to just under the top set of leaves..the lowering the light as close as possible,and having an oscillating fan on them.

If I'm wrong..someone let me know please :D

[spankegti]

I've decided to buy a 250w HID light hopefully I can keep the plants alive on the lights I got for now. Ill post another pic tommorow..can't wait for the new light though I stayed up for hours last night reading all about them going to try to get one with both mh and hps bulbs for veg and flowering umm umm i can taste the sweet homegrown budz all rdy :D

[smokinindausa]

Sticky this thread

[spankegti]

Plants seem to be doing alright under the too low watt grow flurescents.. Wonder if they'll actually grow any bigger leaves

the plant named angela has a bit taken out of it.. maybe becuase i touched it there or could it be bugs..?shouldn't be bugs though in closet clean area n all

[JohnnyPotGrower]

Dude, those guys look like they are stretching. Get that light as close as possible or those plants are fucked. My first plant stretched and is now shrivelled up and dead.

[Torog]

Plants seem to be doing alright under the too low watt grow flurescents.. Wonder if they'll actually grow any bigger leaves

the plant named angela has a bit taken out of it.. maybe becuase i touched it there or could it be bugs..?shouldn't be bugs though in closet clean area n all
Howdy spankegti,

I hate to say it..but if you ever find yourself having to prop up a seedling,then chances are,that it's stretched too much..and you may not be able to recover..my friend,calls em salad greens,and pulls em..I told him that he should wash em up,and throw em into a salad..extra flavor-no extra charge...lol.

The key to keeping your seedlings short and stout,is to have the light as close as ya can,and have an oscillating fan,gently moving them back and forth. Outdoors,it's a matter of the intensity of the sun..if you have the seedlings in constant shade,they'll stretch for the light..if the light is strong or close,then they won't have to reach for the light..and become weak and spindley,as a result. Your basic goal,is to build a mighty trunk,to bear the weight of the heavily resined flowers. So git a fan on em and keep the light close..and let's see if you can recover from the stretching. :)

Have a good one ! :D

[spankegti]

I added some soil to the pot and buried the stems a bit..should I actually replant them further into the soil or would that be risky..? I bought an additional fluro grow light so now i have 3 on them and the lights are about an inch or 2 away from top of plants. Temp is great and havn't checked humidity yet but it seems ok...

my goal at this point is to keep them surviving until I can either get a better setup with HIS light or plant them outside when the weather gets warmer..right now it gets down to 30 at nights outside so tha'd be no good

[JohnnyPotGrower]

good move. raising the level of the soil will help alot. def try to get an HPS light... it will be worth it.

[bud man 2000]

ur lights should b about 2 inches. Dont wanna burn 'em.

[thechronic]

set up looks good just for the money u put in to it. just to let you know that the plants do let off smell. and they do get big deppending on the strain. but nice little set up.

[spankegti]

Im all good with smell I have my own place and live in maine so no worries :D

I added a 60w fluro today not one for growing just a regular type, but now that gives me 100w total. think I may go out wednesday and pickup one of those 85w or 150w fluro with those cheap reflectors u can buy..put a big piece of glass over the top of the box and set it on there so it doesn't heat up the plants too much

too tired and stoned to put pics up tonight but I'll take some tommorow..Looked at the plants when I got home from work and they are doing great 3rd set of leafs has started

One more question..?

for fertilzer I have expert gardener deepfeeding formula 15-30-15 nitrogen,phospahte,potast

when should I start using that and how much? Like 1/8th tsp for every cup of water maybe?

thanks for all help and respones everyone :cool:

[spankegti]

Day 11:

Plant on right "maryjane" seems to be doing better then plant on left "angela". Angela seems to be dropping leaves...

both angela and maryjane have red stems dunno what that means I've heard it could be strain or something with the soil... I am using a regular mediuem soil i bought at wal-mart. would it be better to get some good soil and replant? would that stress the plant too much and kill it?

going to go out and by some stuff tommorow like ph testing maybe that will help determine some problems

[JohnnyPotGrower]

the drooping could just be from over watering - make sure you dont water too much, you want the plant to "search" for water so the root system expands.

[GreenGaucho]

Keep the updates comming, I would like to see how they come along.

[Moka989]

I have two plants of my own, Sitting on a hidden window cill, natural as F**K.. fresh, nice soil, I just let em go, they got the sun on their side.. pretty little buggers.. :D ones stretching, but he has support, and I dont really care about the yeild.. to me its just a learning experince to get closer to what I'd like to call a gift.

Take Care

[spankegti]

Day:13

added 2 150watt fluro's 2,600 lumens each also got space blanket for walls hope she grows better still need to get ph testing stuff tonight or sometime soon

[jadeius]

Looking good...mine started out pretty much the same way...sometimes they'll seem like something's going wrong...you just gotta wait it out...they're much more adaptive and strong than you could imagine. They'll survive with depleted food and water better than too much food and water.

[spankegti]

yea everythings looking good.. Been watering about everyother day..temps get up to 85f sometimes but I think thats barable also humidity is at 30% I've read its suppose to be around %50 but %20 difference doesn't seem too bad If it really does make a difference I have a humidifier I could use... post some pics tommorow

don't forget wednesday is 4:20 april 20th :D toke.toke..===~

[spankegti]

NEW GROW BOX @!#!

18" wide 18" tall 31" long

didn't have the size box I needed, so I duck taped a couple together...First I had the idea to take about my grow light fluro fixtures and mount them on my own reflector. I made the reflector out of cardboard and covered both sides in space blanket myfler stuff. Also picked up a fan that blows out at home depot for 10 bux that thing sucks the air right out going to help with temps hopefully :D

Lights:

2 X 20w grow light 24"
1 X 15w cool white 24"
1 X 20w home depot garden light 2400k specrum I think it said 24"
2 x 42w CFL

so that makes a total of 159w :rolleyes:

havn't figured if thats a good amount of light for the space but guess I'll find that out later.. watered with small about of fert today too hope all goes well

peace

[jadeius]

ONLY WATER ABOUT ONCE A WEEK!!!!! THEY DON'T NEED WATER EVERY OTHER DAY!!! Trust, I'm watering my plants once a week and they haven't died, dried, wilted or even shown the smallest sign of thirst for any given week without the water...

[jadeius]

They don't need that much humidity either...the drier it gets, the more prone they are to make resins to preserve moisture in the leaves....more potency before the flowers even bloom....and if that soil is store bought, then you don't even need fertilizers for the first 3 or 4 weeks, just water when the pots get really really really light and you can stick your finger in the dirt over 1 inch and not feel moisture....

[spankegti]

The soil I have drys out in 1-2 days so maybe I should wait another day but I don't dare risk anything past that seems like with the soil like sand the roots would need water more often then once a week

[jadeius]

OK, just didn't want 'em to suffocate...I've done something wrong with too much water or too much ferts with one of mine...a small, undergrown, already stunted polyploid (mutated)...it's drooping (wilting), but it's not dry at all...so i assume that's what it is... I flushed out the soil with water, and hopefully I can salvage the poor thing...it looks so pitiful...My soil had delayed release nutrients, and I'm sure I started giving them miracle grow too quickly too much at a time...both have stopped growing pretty much, they probably don't know what to do with all that miracle grow....ugh..

[spankegti]

Havn't posted in a couple days..heres some recent pics they seem to be doing well been watering every 2 days and made a new grow box a little bigger 2ft high 18" wide and 24"long chaged out the grow light fluros and bought 2 cool white 20watts but one of my fixtures blew out so I need to get 2 more and put them on the other side so its equal lighting. Think im just going to take that other 15w cool white out I can't stand uneven numbers :eek:

[jadeius]

they look a little droopy, maybe it's the strain though, not sure...sounds good overall man...you'll need more and more water as they get bigger...I've got a 5 week old that went from watering once a week to now every other day..it's a tricky situation if you think about it too much....just be careful with the fertilizers...keep posted...i hate uneven numbers too!

[llamaman666]

there being overwaterd, simple. Even if you don't think so, they do. And thats all that matters. The water will be under the surface of the soil, several inches below it. And these plants are fine with soil being bone dry for a day or two if you get them water.
Also, what are your plans for later growth and flowering? If you do it in that box you will need to do some very extreme training.

[jadeius]

that's what i thought...too much water, that's how my plants looked until i learned my lesson...

llamaman, just curious, what would this person have to do specifically to flower in that box? if it's too much detail then don't worry about it...i'm starting to force flower a plant that's about 6 weeks old, mainly to see what the strain is capable of...but i'm not using a box, it's just out in the open...i have tons of seeds, so i don't really care if something goes slightly wrong...

[spankegti]

Been awhile since I posted last, plants are on day 28 now I guess and doing alright. I held off watering them for a week and they seemed to drop even more, but this could have also been becuase it went from 80 degree temps to 65-75 I don't really know

[spankegti]

Bad lighting on the pic oh well..

there still droppy but I only water then every 5-7 days now

been thinking about planting them outside near a stream that gets good light would they surive a transplant anyone think?

[spankegti]

switched to 12/12 for about 4 days now

can't tell sex yet I don't think anyways look at pics maybe u can tell?

bottom leaves are changed funky colors anything I can do to fix this? possibly just feed water no ferts?

[sykobabble]

switched to 12/12 for about 4 days now

can't tell sex yet I don't think anyways look at pics maybe u can tell?

bottom leaves are changed funky colors anything I can do to fix this? possibly just feed water no ferts?by way of middle pic looks female.i think i see a hair comming out of that chinga derra

[spankegti]

hope so...

ill post a pic in a coule days when it might be eaiser to tell

fingers crossed

[jadeius]

i didn't see hairs on mine until after almost 2 weeks of 12/12...you'll know when it happens, it's like a kid waking up one morning to see it snowing, it'll be noticable and very exciting moment

[spankegti]

changed my box around so I have more height they really seem to be getting bigger quick

[major crisis]

Dude, those guys look like they are stretching.


I was going to say that.
Because the same was happening to my plants.

I wish you all the luck man, I need some for myself too

:)

[major crisis]

Havn't posted in a couple days..heres some recent pics they seem to be doing well been watering every 2 days and made a new grow box a little bigger 2ft high 18" wide and 24"long chaged out the grow light fluros and bought 2 cool white 20watts but one of my fixtures blew out so I need to get 2 more and put them on the other side so its equal lighting. Think im just going to take that other 15w cool white out I can't stand uneven numbers :eek:


HEY!
Your plants are looking fine (I think :confused: )
Oh My! I hope my plants get that far, they're already 5 weeks and not so adult as yours.

Good Growing
:cool:

[jadeius]

wooowww, your light setup is working very well, the nodes look really close together, your buds should be tight when you get to drying them

[bigbudzandballz]

it wouldnt hurt to put the lights closer to your plants....the fluoros you have do not reach high temperatures and putting them closer gives the plants more intense light which will make them grow a little faster

[spankegti]

the 3 tubs are connected to the wall and I'd be too much of a hasel to try to move them closer then move them back as the plants grow more. I'll just leave em there and adjust my 2 over head cfl lights which are closer to the plant about 2 inchs

[jadeius]

you have enough lumens of light to not worry about them being so close...if you were growing with one or two lights, then you'd need to have them an inch or two from the plant, but you've got brightness coming from all directions, so i think they're doing great...they won't really grow faster with the light closer, the nodes will just grow closer together and it wont stretch so much, and the buds will end up being tighter...

[jadeius]

watch CAREFULLY every day though, those leaves will reach up to the light to the point that they'll touch them, and those lights will burn the leaves even if they're not that hot...just don't let the leaves touch the lights, i did once and it burnt my leaves all to hell...

[cannabis101]

:o
the drooping could just be from over watering - make sure you dont water too much, you want the plant to "search" for water so the root system expands.

I agree w/ johnny you dont wanna over water. many growers do that they see there plants droppin so they water, they see em droopin more so they water it again, before they know it there plants curled over and died and they dont know why. DONT MAKE THAT MISTAKE!

also you said you turned off your fan cuz it was 70 or 80 in there. well you want that fan on cuz it circulates air. also try exhailing (talking to) on your plants its really good for em

[spankegti]

cannabis101: For the past month now I've been watering every 4-7 days, no more overwatering problems. Also for the last month a rotating fan has been blowing a nice wind on them so stems are nice n strong :) temps stay at around 75 now, probably get a bit hotter when summer weather arrives still gets down to 45 outside at night.

jadeius: Thanks for the tip on lights I've been moving them up a little everyday and watching closesly. If they grew 2inchs in 12 hours I might be in trouble but I don't think that will happen of will it? hope not

thanks for the posts I'll try to take some pics tommorow havn't taken pics of maryjane the smaller plant in a long time. oh yea and I had an idea for co2 but I don't know if this is really practical.. If I took a paintball gun that uses co2 if I just fired with no pantballs in it obviously into my grow room it'd give it some co2 in the air for a short bit of time..is this worth doing or maybe its not enough co2 to effect anything?

[spankegti]

Decided to tie them down at 90angle this morning. Hopefully this will improve lighting to the lower parts and give a little more yield. I might put a screen over them in the next couple days havn't decided yet. Should I trim off the big fan leaves? If I need to, how close to the stem do I cut them?

1st pic is "angela" tied down

2nd pic is "angela" looks like a female?

3rd pic is "angela and mary-jane" mj in the front much smaller then other plant

going to go buy 2 more 24inch fluros 20w each and 2 more 42w cfls so that will boost me to 263watts :D ...and give mary-jane some much needed light

[spankegti]

1st day after trainning

[HARDDON]

Spank...

You have some real potential here with your plants.

My Advice?

Anglea is not showing any signs of sex, based upon your pic provided.
The outer leaf edges are going yellow. That concerns me.

It looks as though it could be a chronic UNDER WATERING Problem. Even in the pic its dirt dry. Never let indoor soil get that dry. Frick man I am thirsty just looking at it. TOo much emphasis is placed on OVER WATERING. As long as the soil isn't muddy wet, its fine. Allow them to dry out every now then a bit, but never ever, never never ever, bone dry.

Like I said, real potential. Tying them down will do wonders, but they need some water.

Leave the fans leaves as they are now. They may be too far gone to return but, they still have a lot of juice to feed the new growth.

Your plants will now take on a whole new look in the coming days and weeks.

You need more light indeed.

Other than that....HAPPY GROWING BUD :)

[spankegti]

Start of week 3 in 12/12

both plants are female the smaller one showed first and already has a nice cola starting the larger one has hairs but has started to flower as much

[spankegti]

oops I messed up on my last post

i said

"has hairs but has started to flower as much"

i meant

"has hairs but hasn't started to flower as much"

tried to edit message to correct typo but it took longer then 5 minutes to do, I guess after 5 minutes u can edit unless u talk to administrator o well

[taderick]

how are they coming along now then??

[spankegti]

I decided to kill mary-jane the smaller plant even though it was a female it was very small and had some problems will just give angela the bigger plant more room in the box

shes looking very nice I think had lots of bud spots

[jadeius]

wow, that looks nice, gonna be nice and big

that so funny, my plant's name is BIG ANGIE! lol

[spankegti]

some more pics taken today, she looks so yummy

[spankegti]

Everythings coming along nicely, got an a/c to helps with temps during the day and also got 2 heavy duty timers at home depot. Going on vacation in another week so only thing to work out now is getting them water.

[stickygreenlightsabr]

Very nice. How tall and wide are the plants now?

[spankegti]

stickygreenlightsabr heres a pic showing current size

[spankegti]

oops made the text to small on pic if u can't see it, it reads 12inchs wide 18inchs long and 8 inchs tall..

Made another new box today its a bit bigger and should circulate air alot better.. spray painted the box with 2 coats of cheap white paint then one coat of semi gloss paint looks nice and bright in there. Mylar is too much of a fuss didn't feel like getting in a bad mood screwing with that stuff. Also have 2 20watt lights on the bottom facing up hopefully angela likes it well see tommorow..

the last pic there is the top of the box with mylar over the lights u can see into the box when the lights r on I made a cover to put over that also so no light gets out top. stoned..

[IthoughtIknewitall]

I have used a similar setup. Solar safety blanket from the sporting goods section. I like tubes better though.

[spankegti]

that's what I had been using saftey blanket...such a bitch to deal with

[go toke up]

nice shit man. i revived this thread so i could take the same steps spankgeti took

[twoguysupnorth]

your fertilizer sounds like it would be better for flowering, not for vegative growth. youll want the first and third numbers to be higher than the middle for this. then when you flower, use the stuff you have now.

[sublimebudsmoker]

im caught inbetween two things here. on other weed growing sites they tell to make sure that there isnt direct airflow on your plant so it doesnt use most of its energy on making a tough stem so it grows more bigger and better buds, but on here people are telling you to have a fan blowing on it, so which is correct?