2.25 sq ft cardboard cab [Archive] - Green Grass Forums

Buffalo Soldier

01-06-2010, 12:29 AM

hey fellas, readin about all of these cardboard cabs has my wheels spinning.........currently experimenting with a 18"x18"x48" cardboard cab running 4 6500k cfls with a total of 5600 lumens. I have 2 clones at the moment underneath. using the cheapo set up with splitters etc. walls lined with mylar. is this the best lighting setup for this space?? anymore seems to just be inefficient as i don't want to run the cfl's vertical....i want that bit of an angle that the splitters provide. I also have 3 ft flouros for the corners.

looking for advice specifically to the light set up, i will be flowering the clones as short as possible

running in a garage with an electric heater to control environment.......

anyone that can spare a few minutes of wisdom would be much appreciated

buffalo:rastasmoke:

Buffalo Soldier

01-06-2010, 12:47 AM

som xtra info..........running off 15A breaker and looking to pull 3 oz out of the cab . I think this is a reasonable yield ..maybe drop a single higher wattage onto the plants also , just not much room in there with the current set up.

I'm also going to LST the hell out of them........

buffalo:rastasmoke:

frostedwonder

01-06-2010, 12:55 AM

Hey would love to take a peek at your cab if your able to post some pics...I am sure the king of Cardboard will chime in,,,you know who you are..:thumbsup:

jakester

01-06-2010, 01:45 AM

You can do a serious personal grow in this size box. I love it, you are inspiring me. I used to run lots of these little cardboard boxes and help friends set them up. Here's a few simple tips. Forget about oscillating fans or anything and just cut vents at the bottom of each wall of the box near the floor and install two computer fans in the top of the box. You can just cut the square out and tape them in if needed and those will pull plenty air through the box venting the light heat out the top of the box. A couple 9-12 volt adapters will get those supplied, zip tie them to a simple extension cord.

Add a little 100 watt MH spotlight from home depot if you can. say 4 of those cfls and the little HID should be plenty for that space. I have seen this design pull in plenty of personal smoke and keep dear friends off the street.

If you have any q's just ask, I am right here.:thumbsup:

Oh, and post pics....it really makes everything much more interesting.

Buffalo Soldier

01-06-2010, 02:35 AM

gonna work on the pics fellas.might ask the mods to drop this in a grow log...

just when u think you've done it all....:wtf:

buffalo:rastasmoke:

smallgrow1

01-07-2010, 05:17 AM

sounds really good man. I am currently using a 2.5 sq. ft grow area in a box wrapped with alum. foil. only using 4 26 watt cfl's and my babies are doin fine and anymore light seems like it wouldnt matter. It's super bright inside and I have 12 flowers all in dixie cups side by side in a square formation and they are alll really bushy and short and doing just fine. I think people over estimate the amount of lights needed in such well reflective little boxes such as yours and mine. I have the box tipped over slightly creating a 2 to 3 inch opening on one side with a fan that blows air in and pushes air out of a vent hole on top. lots of air flow and my temps stay around 90 degrees at the tops of the plants and less as you go lower. I started flowering at 3 weeks and I'm at 4.5 weeks now total age from seed and they are doin very well. No stretching and very bushy. I am hoping to be left with about 6 females and I plan to replace 2 of the cfl's with the 150w equiv. bulbs. I know that I wont be getting a ridiculous amnt of product from each flower but I figure for their size I won't be doin too bad. I love these little grow boxes and its all about a light to area ratio. No need for crazy amounts of lights as all my flowers have a cfl directly on top of them and to the side within 2 inches. keep itup and I will start a grow log soon. I've taken over 50 pics since day one.

Buffalo Soldier

01-07-2010, 04:21 PM

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finally got around to a pic........this is the light fixture........the pic only shows about 2.5' of the box

had to rip out the mylar for another project......will contiue to add backside of foil daily..it always worked great for me

temps run at 80F with about zero ventillation......will continue to improve..

my environment is easily controlled due to the box being in a garage, will have to come up with something when 12/12 rolls around, planning on adding another fixture for flowering with 4 2700 k 27w cfl's...i'll switch the others over too. If this goes well may pack her with clones and let it rip.......why bother scrogging if i flower at 3 or 4 nodes

first cardboard grow........lots to learn

any chance of mods dropping this in the log section.pm's are down.

pour in the input fellas......:D

hey smallgrow, great to have some company during my cardboard adventure......pass on the wisdom my friend

buffalo

jakester

01-07-2010, 04:53 PM

Another couple tips:

1. You will reflect WAY more light in there if you paint the inside of the box flat white, at least two coats. White reflects more of the light spectrum rather than the mid-range visible light that a silver mirror or foil will reflect. I know it seems like foil is great but for many reasons, it's not. If you can do mylar walls that's fine but flat white paint is even better at reflecting light and not heat.

2. Don't underestimate air flow needs.
You can make your passive inlet vents at the floor by cutting a wide "U" shape at the bottom with a razor and pull the flap out as a slight light barrier. Then if you mount a false floor (like a shelf almost the width and depth of the chamber on a couple boxes) about 6" above the actual floor you reduce even more chance for light to get in. Then you just need to build a simple inlet tube with cardboard and tape to direct the top fan's light away from the girls. You still will want the box to be in a light free environment for budding but it will help by blocking out other light pollution that you may not even notice.

And if you come in here asking why your plants won't bud or why they wilt and don't seem to grow I will direct you right back here to this thread.

Haha....good luck. Keep the progress pics coming.

Buffalo Soldier

01-07-2010, 05:33 PM

Buffalo Soldier

01-07-2010, 10:29 PM

I found some old flat white and I hit the walls pretty good,might have to add more though..... only the floor has foil on it now...I cut the U's at the bottom on three sides and pulled out the flap a bit. I gotta come up with something for a fan,,,maybe use what smallgrow said and make the fan blow into the box....still concerned about odor though. I believe this set up will allow me to add a 42w and the flouro's which put out zero heat. May have to get a strip....At least I'm thin king about ventilation now.....The smaller scale really throws me off

Just got some more beans that are dyin to germ....gotta get it to work first

Buffalo

I guess a mod hasn't swung by yet....I feel guilty posting progress notes in the lighting section......Every grow is a light experiment though:smokin:

frostedwonder

01-07-2010, 11:58 PM

I always wondered how odor control was in a cardboard setup. I run a passive air system with a big ass centrifugal fan pulling the cab's warm air thru my light hood over the bulb and out the cab I am using. I have holes cut for the fresh air and my fan is big enough to pull in the fresh and pull out the heat and thru a scrubber, but I can see how cardboard could be tricky to get just right without putting so much work in that it would have been better to become a carpenter and make a wood box. I will be tuned in cause your possibilities are endless and I am sure I will learn to think differently on small cab setups.:thumbsup:

smallgrow1

01-08-2010, 12:53 AM

you are right on the lights. my bad i was using my conversion watts instead of my actual watts but my box has about 4,000 lumens per sq. ft of grow space. And yes I am using the dull side of the foil. I understand that my grow situation isn't the best but this is all being done on a budget and I'm basically just saying that it doesn't take a crap load of cfl's or a special mh or hps light to have healthy small and decent yielding plants. I will prob. add one or 2 150w equiv warm white bulbs but other then that all seems well and until I run into problems I'm happy with the small space I am using to grow. I have lots of pics and will do a full grow log once I'm done. for security reasons I don't want to start my log while I'm still actively growing my flowers. I just read a lot and incorporate the things that other people add to similar grows like mine. Thank you for the input though and I don't mean to botch your log so I will stop posting all this info about my grow. keep up the good work though.

smallgrow1

01-08-2010, 12:58 AM

and as far as odor control. all I know is my little guys stink up the room when the doors remain shut for long periods of time but its not really stinky, just a little smell that most people prob. wouldnt even recognize. It's not too bad, a little air freshner or dryer sheets on top of the vent hole help tremendously. When they actually start budding it might be a different story but for now its not bad. hope this helps.

jakester

01-08-2010, 01:57 AM

I don't completely understand the "false floor" idea, a pic or better explanation maybe. cutting the vents at the bottom sides of the box wouldn't do much for my odor control later on.......any thoughts on this matter. as far as the walls, I thought the paint would crack from the heat and cause issues....like falling into the plants and possible causing a toxicity issue.??......

I appreciate the thoughts and ideas......keep em coming

buffalo

I agree venting is important, I was thinking homemade scrubber at some point.....my grow area is also pitch black at nightI don't have any shots or even a box running right now...
The false floor is just, a piece of wood that is standing off the floor, like on 4 quart paint cans or something. Then your vents flow up around the bottom. If you want to get fancy, some air filter mesh or screen over the vents will keep bugs out. I highly recommend pulling the air out the top, it is a really simple elegant design. It evacuates the hot lamp air an pulls fresh air from under the leaves which is perfect for the plants.

As for smell you could make a mini carbon scrubber that vents out the top but I have never gone that far. I used to run an ion generator in the room the box was in to control smell.

Buffalo Soldier

01-08-2010, 05:27 AM

wow, painting the cardboard one coat so far has had a huge impact on the temps. 5 deg drop, i can def. get at least two higher wattage 2700kcfl's.

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a pic of the newly painted cab, i had some flat laying around. If i find more it'll get another coat.

the top is actually 36" from the floor, sorry , my mistake. this is my primitive hanger, the cord is wrapped around a stick laying across the box for even weight distribution and the weight plate prevents any unraveling.

there is a ceiling fan slightly in front of the cab that has now been turned on, the lid is not wide enough, this is why i think it gets decent flow right now, the door has many leaks also.

the door has some cardboard in front of it alowing air flow also.

I'll check temp in the morning , ambient temp is 70deg. cab app. 75deg last check

If for some reason I need more height, i have gorilla tape and plenty of cardboard to go 4' +

buffalo

Buffalo Soldier

01-08-2010, 05:45 AM

hey smallgrow do u think the small box has any influence on flowerning times?

I would think not

buffalo

Buffalo Soldier

01-08-2010, 07:32 PM

ambient is set at 70F and I now have 2 vents at the bottom closed and the ceiling fan on low..cab 75F

working on fan situation soon.......may just blow in from the vent holes at the bottom

babies are looking good, I'll post a few close ups..the clones didn't work out right now....popped a few beans from some groovy bagseed.

I'm not focussed on the normal stuff, the smaller scale has a whole different set of issues.....got some left over MG bloom fert for later.

I don't plan on nutes during veg for the cab.

hopefully, my odor issue will be on a smaller than usual also

buffalo

Buffalo Soldier

01-08-2010, 07:56 PM

just a few overhead shots, little guys are doin well..I'll mess with the camera and find the appropriate setting for this stuff

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hope they're chicks

burner

frostedwonder

01-08-2010, 07:58 PM

I like the cfl setups because of worrying less about heat issues. Some have way too many plants vegged for too long to use cfl's but I am sure its a learning thing for anyone to play with. I look on sites that sell armoires and think I would love to have that in my living room without anyone knowing at first glance that life lives within! Cardboard is treating people well here and I like that your able to just add more height when needed without too much hassle. Right on and nice pics!

Buffalo Soldier

01-08-2010, 08:12 PM

hey frosty , thanks for the encouragement...this can be a bit frustrating.

you're right about the heaight of the plants at flower.

I never really flowered as early as I want to so I'm shooting for another node or so and then transplant.....once they get anothe node in the new pot i'll flip the lights, I may go 20/4 soon to give them a break. The lowest it wiill go is 70F. Ill raise the heater if I have issues.

buffalo

Buffalo Soldier

01-08-2010, 11:53 PM

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some closer shots, the plants are growing, nice dark color.......I should be able to keep them pretty short with the cfl's

depending what happens when i sex will determine what i do....would like a nice canopy , even if it's one.

I have some better cameras around. I'll try and improve the pics

buffalo

mainegrown

01-09-2010, 01:08 AM

*subscribing* gonna do my reading now

~MG

Buffalo Soldier

01-09-2010, 08:43 PM

not alot going on , the temp is 70-75F. Overhead fan on low, heater set to
70F, I've def. convinced myself the plants will get an early flower. Might do a pasive intake through flower and find a cheap ozone ion generator. Still up in the air. But I know I can add at least 2 150wt equiv. cfl's. That would probably be around 8000 lumens for flowering .all 2700k of course. I'll also have the flouros in the corners. the plants will be able to have a nice canopy with no risk of burn and most likely thicken up...Got FIM on the brain.I'll hit it with a FIM on each plant and just let it lst while recovering.

let it loose and flip the lights....sound like a plan?

buffalo

Shovelhandle

01-09-2010, 10:08 PM

I like to FIM, but you can't be in a hurry if you want to crop and trim stuff. As far as LST, I wait until the branches are long, like 12" (35cm) and I tie them down to the plant using cut lengths of solid electrical wire.

many other good ways to grow too.

Shov

Buffalo Soldier

01-09-2010, 11:07 PM

good call shov....the lst would be a bit of a waste if I'm going to fim so early, nothing to tie down. I guess just FIM let the plant/s recover or just let them recover under the 2700k cfl's. I can probably keep the plants in their current containers till I flip the lights...growth continues under the 2700's , i'll just bake whatever canopy i have to work with if any. there was a link in another cardboard cab log that referred to a guy on the IC boards that was pullin huge nugs off little clones that he grew in 1.5 liter containers, all CFL.

buffalo

jakester

01-09-2010, 11:21 PM

Buffalo Soldier

01-09-2010, 11:26 PM

yea..insane grower

jakester

01-10-2010, 12:03 AM

yea..insane growerNot to be mean but don't think for a second you are going to just light a few cfls and do what that guy does. Look very closely at what the doc does, the devil is in the details....oh and the genes.

Buffalo Soldier

01-10-2010, 12:22 AM

well aware, just tryin to see if i can run a low budget set up and get a quality yield

smallgrow1

01-12-2010, 02:40 AM

hey, I don't think the cardboard box really affects flowering at all. I started flowering at 3 weeks old from seed and Its exactly 5 weeks total now so 2 weeks of flowering and I just identified the first definite male(so sad) balls are very obvious so I took it out of the box and put it in the closet under another light just to be sure before I scrap it. Def. looks like I got at least 4-5 females so far though. In the process of making a new carboard grow box. This thing is awsome and seriously looks like it was professionally built. I'll get pics up but anyways its 18 x 18 inches and is 35 inches tall. got a computer fan at the bottom blowing in and another one on top blowin out. made a little 1 x 2 inch viewing window on top with a clear plastic window. all the wiring gets tied off together and comes off one corner of the box so it looks very clean. It is really cool and I am going to be using 10 23-26w cfl's in it. I am def. gonna keep this box and prob. use it for a long time. Also going to be connecting a small carbon filter(4incher) to the exhaust fan once the smell gets out of control. This box will be producing some nice babies for sure. And this box was bought at home depot for a little more then a dollar and I closed and taped the top side and kept the flaps on the bottom side open to add height and I taped them. this box is pretty damn sturdy. I put practically all my weight on it and it didn't bend or wobble. Once I either paint the inside flat white or put up mylar I am going to use it but I can't decide what to do. I'd rather use whatever would be safer. When all is done I am going to put a thin sheet over the box and put a lamp on top and itll look just like a bedside table when viewed from outside and the fans I'm using are dead quiet.:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

People will envy this box and use it as a reference point on a perfect cardboard grow box. Being an engineer, thinking this type of stuff in my head comes naturally.

Buffalo Soldier

01-12-2010, 04:23 AM

damn smallgrow you're like the pimp daddy of cardboard.......same dimensions on that new box. What low profile technique are u looking to use and how many plants for flower max. what if u cut back on a few cfl's and throw in 46 watters.....not interested in flouros in the corners?

yield is the question, how do we max this area out?

buffalo....the small stuff takes thought.

oh yea enjoy the updates.. Ialso took a shot of one of the open passive intakes.......I may go with the idea of the fan on the outside of the box,,,,still not sure:pimp:

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Buffalo Soldier

01-12-2010, 08:21 PM

having some browning on the tips of a few leaves one one plant not the other. I just watered yesterday so maybe the MG mix is holding more water than i thought, i 'll let them both dry out real good this time, no nutes yet , says she'll feed for 4 months. We'll see how it goes. I raised the lights a tad, some were about 1" away and i ran a fan against the box through an intake to get some movement by the stems. A work in progress. If the plant doesn't improve I'll post some picks. I thinks it's just too wet. May spray the leaves tonight. I put in my own filter system....chlorine, flouride, and a host of other toxic crap. I don't know the ph though.

gotta look for some more flat white.

buffalo

frostedwonder

01-12-2010, 09:24 PM

Hey your scaring me with talk of toxic stuff you built yourself can you explain a little? Also MG soil may say its able to feed for x amount of months but that is not what you should or would want to go by. All plants uptake of nutrients are different. I wait more then some on this site to start feeding little ones. Usually the plant will have 4-7 nodes before any scheduled feeding for me. Also your watering your plant more then someone would a house plant or potted (pun intended) plant so the nutes will be broken down faster then normal as well. After a few rounds of using MG soil it will be easier for you to adapt and react. I think most people that choose that soil or any soil that has preloaded nutes would really benefit from a ph meter of the jump. What water source do you use?

Buffalo Soldier

01-13-2010, 01:34 AM

I have a filter system that i purchased over the internet. About $150....takes care of a slew of toxins plus i added a chlorine filter, a ceramic filter, candle filter which I manually clean and a filter for flouride. This is what I drink and cook with ........and water my plants.

simplified my light hangers with chain easier for me, the temp is around 70F since I added the fan, and i put the timer in for 20/4. Heater won't let it go below 70F. I threw the beans in a cup around Jan2nd so I'm about a week under full lights. Growth isn't bad. gonna go to 3gal. pots and if female will also finish in them.

I'd like to get some Lst and a FIM in before i switch the lights.

buffalo

frostedwonder

01-13-2010, 02:03 AM

Well I am glad I asked about the toxic filtration, NNOOOW I get it. I seriously need to look into a home unit, the water I have is municipal water and it is so bad my ice cubes stink....yum

smallgrow1

01-14-2010, 12:51 AM

Hey, I am going to estend each side of the lighting system with an additional Y adapter and add a bigger 150w equiv. cfl on each side of my hanging lighting contraption. Basically my lighting system looks like this now if you can imagine this -<= with a bulb at each end of the < sign and 2 bulbs coming off of each = so its gonna be 2 bulbs right next to each other on the very end and 2 bulbs V'ing off of it and I'm going to add another Y adapter to one of the ends of the < so its gonna fill in the gap. and I am going to put in a actual lighting cieling mount on each side of the box further down so it will hit the plants right at their side. I will take pics when all is done.

I went to walmart and bought 2 emergency blankets for like 3 bucks each, the brand is ozark trail....small orangeish brown packets. I will finish building this box tomorrow and will add my plants to it. I will hopefully have at least 6 females. I have 12 plants total and one of them was removed because it is def. a male and although I can't be sure but seems like I may have way more females then 6 but its still kinda early to tell. Hoping these girls will be ready in the next 6 weeks or so and I hope they grow out a lot more. I was considering putting a 150-200w hps light in the box but I think it would be a risk considering they create way too much heat and I just don't think it will be safe so I prob. wont do that. keep up the good work. your plants look good and as far as the nutes go. I am also using mg soil which says it feeds for 3 months but I fed with nutes at 4 weeks old and I just added a low nitrogen and high P nute 2 days ago at 5 weeks old. I will water with just plain water next time and continue the nutes again in like a week or more depending how they look. I wouldnt nute them for the first 3-4 weeks but your def. good for weak solutions after that.

mainegrown

01-14-2010, 02:41 PM

my only question is why not get a 300w equivalent? they are less than $20
and kick mad lumens..
for way less sockets? and i think that they have better penetration too!
you could run with 4? 300w equ. cfl's and get more light for less risk.. (btw it think that you would get 24000+ lumens from what i suggest)
just my :twocents: but you might take my advice..
~MG a.k.a. le Maine dÃ©veloppÃ©

Buffalo Soldier

01-14-2010, 02:52 PM

wow six plants to flower in our space would leave little room for any training....maybe topping as well as FIM, possibly even a supercrop..scrogs would work but maybe just as well as topping and LST'n less plants..........

any thoughts on this anyone?

Temps are great and plants jumped a bit......starting to think about how I'm going to create the canopy.

Buffalo:jointsmile:

EnhAnceD

01-14-2010, 04:56 PM

Not to burst your bubble but unless you top and fimm any and all your tops you wont have enought room man. Your cab is 3 ft tall but with that light in there u got 2.5maybe. Need to put into consideration that you are using cfls which can grow very nice cannabis but they do impliment more stretching than youd get from hps mh b.c of less penetration, so IMO I wouldnt put more than 1 maybe 2 plants in there. Get a nice big pot and let them roots grow huge and when you get 2-3 nodes TOP her ass lol, wait a week or let those arms reach up them fimm those top and put her in flower. This will reduce the amount of length you will get and will alow you to optimize your yield with such a small space to work with. IT kinda stinks you only have that space b.c unless ur seeds are fem you kinda get screwed in wasting your time if they are male. Food for thought. Check out my logs, I did all cfl my first grow, got 2.8oz off one girl.

Hey, I am going to estend each side of the lighting system with an additional Y adapter and add a bigger 150w equiv. cfl on each side of my hanging lighting contraption. Basically my lighting system looks like this now if you can imagine this -<= with a bulb at each end of the < sign and 2 bulbs coming off of each = so its gonna be 2 bulbs right next to each other on the very end and 2 bulbs V'ing off of it and I'm going to add another Y adapter to one of the ends of the < so its gonna fill in the gap. and I am going to put in a actual lighting cieling mount on each side of the box further down so it will hit the plants right at their side. I will take pics when all is done.

I went to walmart and bought 2 emergency blankets for like 3 bucks each, the brand is ozark trail....small orangeish brown packets. I will finish building this box tomorrow and will add my plants to it. I will hopefully have at least 6 females. I have 12 plants total and one of them was removed because it is def. a male and although I can't be sure but seems like I may have way more females then 6 but its still kinda early to tell. Hoping these girls will be ready in the next 6 weeks or so and I hope they grow out a lot more. I was considering putting a 150-200w hps light in the box but I think it would be a risk considering they create way too much heat and I just don't think it will be safe so I prob. wont do that. keep up the good work. your plants look good and as far as the nutes go. I am also using mg soil which says it feeds for 3 months but I fed with nutes at 4 weeks old and I just added a low nitrogen and high P nute 2 days ago at 5 weeks old. I will water with just plain water next time and continue the nutes again in like a week or more depending how they look. I wouldnt nute them for the first 3-4 weeks but your def. good for weak solutions after that.

You really need to stop jacking this guys thread and make your own. THXs.

Buffalo Soldier

01-14-2010, 04:57 PM

mainegrow wins the medal for this round...great idea....do u know of any socket cords that could take all 4 bulbs?? If not I will have to run 2 cords with two bulbs. I think the max for these clamp lamp sockets is 150wts.
So flowering light issues have been solved, I may still go with 3-4ft flouro's 2700k, I think they each give @ 2ooo lumens. I'll have one in each corner as mentioned earlier.

My next concern is how to maintain a low profile and a full 2.25 sq ft canopy

It's coming along fellas, thanks for all the help...

...that faint odor of young MJ is back!

Buffalo:rastasmoke:

Buffalo Soldier

01-14-2010, 05:13 PM

mainegrown

01-15-2010, 04:44 AM

i have had less than stellar luck with this reveg idea.. why not wait and top them when you see pistils on one or two plants? lst till then and top when you see? just me?
i think you would be best off buying a couple sockets.. white and look like this (attached pic) they are like $2 and rated for 660w! get two of em and run one in each corner with two bulbs in splitters..
look in the DIY link for how to make a hood for CFL's.. that may give you some ideas.. try it with your setup and you could be pleasantly surprised by the results, and be creative if you cant do/dont have sheet metal. (though anyone can do it if they have the motivation)
sorry if i am jacking this thread!! :( i didnt think i was but ok c'yall l8r

~MG a.k.a. le Maine dÃ©veloppÃ©

Buffalo Soldier

01-16-2010, 09:02 PM

I actually just went 24hrs without checking on the cab.. That means I'm starting to have trust in the set up:thumbsup:

Containers are fairly light so I think I'm ready for a watering, no notes, I think I still have plenty of room in the coffee pots. Thinking about some sort of pellett to put on top of the soil, lets u get a bit more out of the containers, by blocking light form penetrating to any roots.

mainegrown

01-16-2010, 09:13 PM

I actually just went 24hrs without checking on the cab..

damn i dont think i could do that... n.m that i KNOW i couldnt :D

~MG a.k.a. le Maine dÃ©veloppÃ©

EnhAnceD

01-17-2010, 05:56 AM

Enhanced has me convinced that I need to add another foot to the box. I def need the flouros in the corners now. I don't know. Gonna check HD for the lights if not I may have to check out HTG supply (sp?)...good stuff!

What if I go 12/12 on the lights I have now and then once i see girls I'll top and fim, reveg to recover.....then in 2 weeks throw in the 2700's and back to 12/12. I gotta get some pics up, they look good and the leaves are healing. I think the 20/4 schedule is already helping too.

buffalo:D

Better safe than sorry right. I had an extreme underestemate in hight and had to use dvd cases to raise my light frame. My honest opinion in your situation. I would really consider adding maybe another foot if you can. I would also suggest a nice topping of your plants. Once the plant has grown 3,4,5,6 nodes. Its up to you really, you just snip the main head that keeps going up. By clipping it off you leave yourself the 3,4,5,6 nodes below that will grow thier branches upwards. The hormones that are in that tip u cut off will now be distributed to all the branches below causing them to reach up. If you do this, wait about 2 weeks for the branches to grow up and then put her in flower. You will get 4-8 Nice big braches that will grow fat buds. They will most likley grow even for the canopy as well. Less branches will result in the plant focusing all its flowering and growth on them not the 20 othe branches that will grow small buds. Becuase you are using cfls this is the best way to get the most out of your lights as they cannot penetrate a canopy. I might also suggest the lst idea. I found in my mother plants that by lsting her you have a better chance that the nodes will grow many and very close. Iv taken over 16 clones from 1 main branch b.c I lst it horizontal for all its growth. If you cant make it taller just try what we have suggested on half of them.
Are they sexed yet??
It sucks we can only provide so much as you kinda gotta do it with yoursetup to know what "doesnt" work so you can change it next time.

I actually just went 24hrs without checking on the cab.. That means I'm starting to have trust in the set up:thumbsup:

Always check. always always always. It takes 2 minutes to fix something that could lead to your place burning down. Always check. For me ok. haha.
Containers are fairly light so I think I'm ready for a watering, no notes, I think I still have plenty of room in the coffee pots. Thinking about some sort of pellett to put on top of the soil, lets u get a bit more out of the containers, by blocking light form penetrating to any roots.

bigtopsfinn

01-17-2010, 08:57 AM

Hey Buffalo Soldier!

If you want my :twocents: I'd say Scrog is the way to go to get an even canopy and maintain the height at the same time. Also if you are using CFL's (or any other light for that matter) this would give you the best bang for your buck.

Also, I read earlier that you had some problems with the leaves. Look into CalMag+. There's plenty of info on this site about it. I think you are filtering these essential minerals out of your water along with the toxins, so you may need to add them back in before watering.

Happy growing :jointsmile:

Buffalo Soldier

01-17-2010, 07:37 PM

First I want to apologize for not having any pics lately, apparently I have forgotten where I put the camera:stoned:. Memory clean though. they are a nice deep green and have a faint aroma when brought to the nose. They are thriving with tight nodes.

Enhanced either knows what he is doing or just has a confident text..Your advice is definitely along the lines of what is capable with my set up. The Lst has been one of my strongest options because I know it works and topping although I have never grown such low profile and the top was just used in the past to create another top,so different applications for me. I'm about 2 nodes out from the TRUE MJ leaf so the top may happen tonight. I watered yesterday and they are not as droopy as they were after their first watering/

The leaf burn situation has either resolved or almost non existent. I'm thinking that miracle grow they are in burned thebabies a bit.. But solid growth now.

The scrog , believe me,I know it keeps a perfect canopy,I just have a habit of snapping branches as I weave them through the screen.. My method may need some refining.

Thanks for all the advice fellasI know the title is catchy, it just draws you in. I think I'll just wait till the plants force me to extend the box to 48"

Haven't heard anything from anyone about the 2700k flouros in the corner the plants could grow right up them without getting burned

...still thinking through the flowering set up

peace, Buffalo:stoned:

mainegrown

01-17-2010, 08:26 PM

sure the 2700k would be fine.. use t-12 or maybe t-8 (idk bout the t-8's heat tho)
i have plants that are touchin my 4 ft. floro tubes.. i use em for seedling/clones only but i leave the plants under 24hr light and they touch the bulbs for a couple days before i move the light up aginn.. sorry it took so long to say that but its the truth

Buffalo Soldier

01-18-2010, 07:43 PM

came across another camera.....don't know about quality..but I'll give it a go tonight

topped both plants this afternoon, basically the node with the first real MJ leaves...pulled fan back a bit.it was kinda startin to LST the plant for me.

The way I see it is this, If both palnts are male, then at least I'll have a first run with this cab and we can jump right into another with say 6 plants to improve the ratio. might have to add a bit more veg light, but if I have flouros in the corner I can just use those, great side lighting and I think another 8,000 lumens.

I have to reach the walls and control vertical growth so the topping is the beginning. I will most likely FIM my tops.

I will also do as much lst as possible, but I think I want to start the lst in the 3 gallon buckets. I'll let them grow a bit more, transplant and then start LST.

Decided on the SCRG....I was toying with this idea at the beginning I just didn't feel proficient enough..I still have lots to learn about scrogging, but practice makes perfect.........supercropping , i believe needs bigger stems, this low profile cab isn't in my eyes suitable.I'm sure someone will correct me, but i would love to hear your reasoning....anyway i'll put the screen on when the canopy is decent, and as you'll see from pics I have a bit to go.

we are 2 weeks under 4 5500k 27 watt CFL's, soil is MG potting and 1/3 perlite. (one of the bulbs is daylight version) strain is unknown, but from slamming bag seeds, look like indicas.

peace,

Buffalo:rastasmoke:

Buffalo Soldier

01-19-2010, 12:07 AM

these are pics of the plants topped as well as what they look like in the cab....lots more growth before I'm at the walls......

any opinions after veiwing the pics are of course welcome...I have a general idea of which way i want to go but take a gander and let me know what u think..

more pics to come

buffalo

Buffalo Soldier

01-19-2010, 02:01 AM

here are some shots of the 3 gal. buckets I want to go to next and which I will finish in..if there are females that is. I wont start LST until there is a transpalnt.. I would say the cab is truly designed for one plant, but with the screen I'll just shoot for a thick canopy. I figure a few more weeks before I transplant?? My current containers are still providing plenty of nutes to the plants.

sorry about the shitty pics, I'll get better with the camera, I have to play with it.

My stash from the previous grow is out. I know, I got preoccupied with life and didn't start again early enough.....plus I'm broke and I need flowering lights, oh well, overtime it is!

Man I checked out Nirvana seeds and everything good is out of stock...what the hell!! maybe I'll look into a new seed bank.

damn I wanna sex them so bad...I def. need a few weeks
for the plants to recover from the topping, maybe I'll transplant next week??

buffalo:420thought:

Jeb5304

01-19-2010, 04:48 AM

the attitude is the best. good prices, free seeds, fast shipping worldwide check em out. Attitude Seed Bank (http://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/affiliates/jrox.php?id=429)

Buffalo Soldier

01-19-2010, 04:40 PM

Buffalo Soldier

01-20-2010, 12:27 AM

shots of the same plant...tryin to learn this camera:stoned:
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EnhAnceD

01-20-2010, 03:17 AM

Hey Jeb, love the avatar bro.......:giggity: I was just checkin out attitude, great selection.......thanks for the heads up.
found a socket cord rated at 300 watts max.....and 2700k 68 watt cfls. 4x 4200lumens=16,800 for a 2.25 sqft canopy.....not sure about side lighting as I will be growing through the screen. the plants are going to jump, so I'll FIM before I switch the lights.....
gotta transplant , get some more flat white, and forget about the lst as i will not be in veg much longer..
plants are starting to suck up the water quicker
I still want the plants to force me to extend the height.
the question is.......how many females if any.......
throw me some input fellas.I'm just about ready to flip the lights unless I should veg longer and do the lst???
the height restriction is driving me nuts:wtf:
HELP!!:S5:
Buffalo

You could try searching this site or google for tips on promoting or encouraging females. There are things you can do.
Im glad you topped your plants. Because your are using only cfls you really want to do this. Growers using cfls get amazing results when doing this from all the logs ive seen. The tops will get all the attention and being there are only 4-6 stems for tops they will be huge. Because you only would need to focus on the tops you dont need to waste time on the side lighting. Because you top and use cfls you are actually getting more out of your lights. DO the scrog bro. to be honest. I got a bunch of glones topped right now that are getting there that Im going to use in a mass scrog. It will start are Feb 25-27. I think you should get it over with and add that foot to your cab. Once you have nice healthy, unstressed babies in there its gonna suck when you drop some shit on them and break a branch or two. lol. Thanks for the props btw. LIke I said. Once youve done this once you will know what you will change for the next time to make it better with this set up. If you check my first log youll see where Im coming from. Its great that you have that enclosed space of 2.5squar feet because your light will stay strong and not fade because there is no space for it to go.
Transplant when the roots are filled in niceley around the walls. This will allow the roots to make layers as you do 2-3 transplants instead of just shooting straight out to the walls of a larger pot.
LST. You dont really need to do this now. Since you cut the main grow tip off those hormones will now be disperced into the lower branches causing them to all grow up to the light. When you do LST you really want to do it early in the vegg whilst alwoing 2 weeks for the branches to regain their verticalness. The longer you veg the larger your root mass will be. More roots = Better crop. I have 5 clones in I would say less than half a 2l pop bottle and Im going to bet they will not have the largest buds b.c I didnt let them veg long enough from when I cloned them.

the attitude is the best. good prices, free seeds, fast shipping worldwide check em out. Attitude Seed Bank (http://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/affiliates/jrox.php?id=429)

I ordered from the attitude. They give free seeds. Decent prices. Very nice strains. My first order did not arrive it got stuck in customs. I had paid for garenteed shipping/discreet shippment in a tshirt-which btw was of a dog smoking a fat blunt hahaha. Anyways after a month I emailed them and they sent them again. I got them within a week. Realllly pissed me off b.c I was supposed to be done this before christmas. Keep asking questions bro ill keep answering the best I can. I do feel that I have a decent amount of knowledge but I am no expert. I got the green thumb ahah.

bigtopsfinn

01-20-2010, 07:31 AM

Looks good :thumbsup:

I have some methods and tips for Scroggin in my second grow log, but most of what I learned was from justaseed: http://boards.cannabis.com/closet-cabinet-growing/52326-lovely-ladies.html

One recommendation I'd make is to use one screen for one plant. It's a major pain in the ass to move around two plants at the same time if you need to flush or transplant. You can start to LST once they recover from the topping or just start scroggin. The Scrog really doesn't need a lot of clearance from the soil, just enough so that you can water them.

If you need any help or advice just holler :jointsmile:

Buffalo Soldier

01-20-2010, 11:13 PM

yea gonna just add the extra foot to the cab tonight and will most likely just go for the scrog without the LST. Read a bit about the banana peel idea in a bag with seeds so they can absorb the ethylene to promote fems. Also I saw that the lighting shold be at 16 hrs a day for veg to promote fems also. Gonna do some more research, I'll put up more pics tonight. Once again, thanks for your time guys......

buffalo

Buffalo Soldier

01-21-2010, 04:13 AM

A few pics , plants are a bit droopy after the last watering ..good color though and they smell nice:D

I'm running at 20/4 lights thinking of switching to 18/6.....

In a few weeks I'll Fim and transplant...no nutes yet.

they seem to still be satisfied in their containers.

Can't find my screens gonna have to see what HD has.....:rasta:

stash is gone....sippin on some cognac..not bad....but not the same:mad:

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Buffalo Soldier

01-22-2010, 02:16 AM

having some issues again with one of the plants. At first I thought it was a wind burn but the other plant isnt being affected. I wrapped a bunch of painters tape around the container just in case any light is getting to the roots. I moved it away from the fan a bit also. The leaves a re very droopy but the other plant has recovered from the watering already so i'm thinking nute lockout. I stuck my finger in the soil down about 3 inches and i really didn't feel any moisture so i watered with a bit of bloom formula, which is all i had and filtered water. I'll put up somw pics tonight and tomorrow i'll most likely transplant if I don't see any improvements. Were about 3 weeks in the same pots. the nutes should do the trick Im hoping, I just feel she has plenty more soil to use up.

It doesn't look like nute burn at all, just very droopy, a lightened area on some of the leaves, and the leaves also feel like they are drying up.

any ideas based on what I've written will be helpful....trying to keep these plants short and get a nice root ball before transplant........

buffalo:(

Buffalo Soldier

01-22-2010, 04:39 AM

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I actually see some improvements in the leaves that have the discoloration.the water and the nutes def. helped:)...there is still some drooping but I think it can hang on for a while as long as i water her more often...soil is most likely depleted...leaves are still quite brittle.........I may do some spraying with just water....probably have to water every two days now....maybe nutes every other.....new growth looks great though

buffalo..gettin tired of the cognac already:mad:

what do u think fellas.all shots are of the same plant..my other one looks great

EnhAnceD

01-22-2010, 04:53 AM

hmmm, yeah i found on my first grow all five of my baby plants sorta had the leaves a bit droopy. Hopefully its just b.c they are small. Check ur ph. Try basing when to water your plants on the weight of your pot. Water it fully so it drips a bit out of the bottom then pick it up to see what it weighs. Then wait 2.5-4 days untill it feel light. I never base when to water on just days cuz sometimes they will eat all the goods in one day somedays its more. Just a suggestion. Your plants will survive underwatering of a day better than overwatering for a night.

Buffalo Soldier

01-22-2010, 08:56 PM

my other plant is now having the same symptoms as its little friend.i just gave plain water to see if it is a nute issue and i got some bigger pots to do a transplant if they are root locked.....

i'll put some pics up tonight.....

buffalo:rastasmoke:

never fimmed more than one top.........should i fimm all the tops when the time comes or just a few??

thanks for all the interest fellas....:D

Buffalo Soldier

01-23-2010, 04:43 PM

transplanted the runt with the crisped leaves into a bigger container. roots were at bottom, it was locked up. exposed a bit of the root ball at the top like the teir method.

other plant looks great after watering, still no nutes.but it's just about due for a bigger pot........

pictures to come

buffalo

Buffalo Soldier

01-24-2010, 12:00 AM

you can see the damage that was done by the root lock....
but, a bigger container, some water and time, I think it'll pull through fine
.....the new growth looks great

buffalo

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EnhAnceD

01-24-2010, 04:38 AM

For future grows, ones where you "cant" afford to fuck up. Know this that root lock really stresses out your plant. If your beans were reg they are more likley to be male and if ur beans were fem they are more likley to hermmie on you. With practice come knowledge. Iv never let a plant sit long enought without fucking with it to not notices root boundness. Just a thought. I have many thoughts haha. Less stress=plane and simple goodness lol. Keep em alive bub, see where they go.

Buffalo Soldier

01-24-2010, 02:56 PM

EnhAnceD

01-25-2010, 04:47 AM

I transplanted my other plant and utilized the teir method again but a bit more above the soil this time.

Enhanced, I agree this could have been avoided yet I have faith in the weed. An unrestrainable force that has stood the test of time. My next buckets are ready to go.....

I have access to a compost pile about 2 years old.......i have always had success with compost.............should i give her a go for the flowering pots or just use as an additive?

I think it was a grow stinkyatic did once that really hit me. When things went wrong she just provided th best environment possible and had faith that they would thrive .........gotta have faith bro!

If not, I know where i screwed up:chainsaw:

pics soon

buffalo:stoned:

Eh a little extra tlc they should be fine. Maybe even wait to water half a day to a full day later than u want to. This will help develop the roots as they will search for moisture/water. They can go looking for a while before the leaves will start to droop. Iv always watered my girls later if not right on time. The pots with the plant feel much lighter in weight when its time to water. I made the quideline of weight by watering fully untill a small bit of dripss fall out the bottom. I then waited 2-3 days. They still were moist, so I waited another and when I would pick them up, they would feel dry. You could even go as far as waiting until the leaves droop a small bit to see how the feel in weight. Anyways, enough tips on watering lol. Hope they turn out.

Buffalo Soldier

01-26-2010, 03:45 PM

the transplants have been successful, new growth is strong and green.....root lock sucks.....oh well, they both picked up nice.

got a lot to do before light change, gonna let em grow a bit, stayin nice and short. mabe ill even add a few lights, so many options..........

pray for girl....

buffalo:stoned:

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PhatJay

01-26-2010, 04:59 PM

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my only question is why not get a 300w equivalent? they are less than $20
and kick mad lumens..
for way less sockets? and i think that they have better penetration too!
you could run with 4? 300w equ. cfl's and get more light for less risk..

Thats one thing I have noticed when looking at other peoples cfl grow logs. I don't understand why people would buy several low wattage cfl's when you can get 125watt cfl's.

That said, this is a fascinating grow log for me. Going to be really interesting to see what results you get.

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http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/180343-phat-jays-1st-grow-belated-log-w-pics.html

Buffalo Soldier

01-27-2010, 12:03 AM

lights have been running 18/6 since yesterday.......
been veggin' just under 4 weeks now.....

will post some more pics soon.........

buffalo:rastasmoke:

Buffalo Soldier

01-27-2010, 12:42 AM

probably gonna veg. for 2-3 weeks more so I decided to start some LST to help make em a bit bushier and keep it low profile. Def. scroggin........really thinking about adding few more, higher power veg lights.

things are going well.........keeping a better eye on the watering, humidity is a bit low in the garage.

buffalo:rastasmoke:

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jtsik330

01-27-2010, 01:22 AM

Please please please if yÃ?u are usuing miracle grow just invest in some type of ph meter to testing kit of some sort. I have used miracle grow the last two grows and on the one that I have currently and now is the time I decide to stay on top of my ph. The ph is unstable with the miracle grow(in my opinion) so the next time I feel like I will have better control with soil with no ferts in it. Check ph regularly and your babies look good. Are you usuing any perlite or anything else to increase drainage? I'm sorry if sokeone has touched on this topic already but I'm in class and don't have time to read the whole thread haha

MonkeyBone

01-27-2010, 01:48 AM

Thats one thing I have noticed when looking at other peoples cfl grow logs. I don't understand why people would buy several low wattage cfl's when you can get 125watt cfl's.[/url]

Because with 5 23w ~125w total, my bulbs produce twice the lumens, and I can place them around the plant for best lighting! Take a look at my actual grow!

:thumbsup:

Buffalo Soldier

01-28-2010, 03:22 PM

....lights aren't getting switched till the plants are in their 3 gallon pots
....the lst is working well, plants are getting bushy.gonna let this go for awhile
....i need flat white, flowering lights, the new socket cord, and to extend my cab
....would like to add some lights to my veg cycle
....going to build another cab when I flower for veggin'.....think i'll start a bunch of seeds, no cloning yet.......eventually want a perpetual harvest with the cardboard cabs
....gotta get more glass jars
....yea, don't think i'll be flowering for a bit, i wanna sex the plants in the 3 gallon buckets before the screen.
...once i know, the screen goes on and i'll let her rip

i could probably sex them now.......don't want to waste my time.....??

....sounds like the right direction fellas??!!

more pics to come

buffalo:rastasmoke:

EnhAnceD

01-28-2010, 10:29 PM

picz picz picz

bigtopsfinn

01-29-2010, 08:50 AM

....yea, don't think i'll be flowering for a bit, i wanna sex the plants in the 3 gallon buckets before the screen.
...once i know, the screen goes on and i'll let her rip

i could probably sex them now.......don't want to waste my time.....??

buffalo:rastasmoke:

Hiya Buffalo :jointsmile:

Sounds good, you still have some options though.

I know what you're saying about wasting time with males and also the screen. It'll be a while before you see preflowers though. It can take 4-8 weeks of veg, maybe even longer with CFL's. I would start Scrogin somewhere in this time frame, preflowers or not.

One option is to take clones as soon as the plants are ready to give them. Label the clones and flower the mother plants you have now. Once you find out their gender you can discard the male clones and mother.

With the screen it's kinda up to you. You can accomplish nearly the same thing with a lot of LST until you sex them, but eventually you'll want to get the screen in to try and fill it.

One thing with Scrog is that it's easier to do when you know how much the plants stretch in flower. Yours look very indica dominant, so I'd try to fill in the screen at least 70% before switching the lights.

Something else to keep in mind for Scrog, you can just cut the screen to fit your cab and then cut it in half, so each plant has their own screen. In case you do get a male, it will be an easy fix and no worries about pollinating the other when you're ripping him out of the screen. It also makes it much easier to flush and re-pot if needed, and turn them from time to time.

But yeah, more lights! :thumbsup:

Buffalo Soldier

01-29-2010, 02:10 PM

picz picz picz

PIC JUNKIE........:computerlove1:

Buffalo Soldier

01-29-2010, 03:29 PM

have a gander....:rastasmoke:

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Buffalo Soldier

01-29-2010, 03:42 PM

Hiya Buffalo :jointsmile:

Sounds good, you still have some options though.

I know what you're saying about wasting time with males and also the screen. It'll be a while before you see preflowers though. It can take 4-8 weeks of veg, maybe even longer with CFL's. I would start Scrogin somewhere in this time frame, preflowers or not.

One option is to take clones as soon as the plants are ready to give them. Label the clones and flower the mother plants you have now. Once you find out their gender you can discard the male clones and mother.

With the screen it's kinda up to you. You can accomplish nearly the same thing with a lot of LST until you sex them, but eventually you'll want to get the screen in to try and fill it.

One thing with Scrog is that it's easier to do when you know how much the plants stretch in flower. Yours look very indica dominant, so I'd try to fill in the screen at least 70% before switching the lights.

Something else to keep in mind for Scrog, you can just cut the screen to fit your cab and then cut it in half, so each plant has their own screen. In case you do get a male, it will be an easy fix and no worries about pollinating the other when you're ripping him out of the screen. It also makes it much easier to flush and re-pot if needed, and turn them from time to time.

But yeah, more lights! :thumbsup:

:postgood:

EnhAnceD

01-29-2010, 07:25 PM

fat ass leaves bro. Nice LSt u got going too, few nice tops. Keep her going. That door light proof when its night time?

Buffalo Soldier

01-30-2010, 02:18 PM

cab is in the back of a garage wit a big piece of cardboard in front of it and a painters tarp over it........the only light leaking into the garage is the HPS street light across the street..........cab is def. pitch black inside.

gonna do some more LST today.......

peace

MonkeyBone

01-30-2010, 04:11 PM

Pitch black, is it necessary? In the wild, they have the moon, the stars, some weirdos with torchlights...

They look a bit droopy, you may want to wait a bit more between waterings.

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Buffalo Soldier

01-31-2010, 07:21 AM

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Buffalo Soldier

01-31-2010, 07:29 AM

I figure I'll stick with the LST for now..thanks for all the options fellas...

It's cold out here.ambient runs 70F at lowest but the box has the fan and she's down around 66F

Thought I might try and get the 300 watt socket cord and 4 46 watters??

It'll prepare the plants for the 65W 2700k's

.....got temps to spare.....

Buffalo:rastasmoke:

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EnhAnceD

01-31-2010, 03:40 PM

Pitch black, is it necessary? In the wild, they have the moon, the stars, some weirdos with torchlights...

They look a bit droopy, you may want to wait a bit more between waterings.

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Well, I guess maybe your right, but Im not sure the light from the moon even has anykinda light that the plant would use/recognize???? thats a good questions. Thinking about it tho, the light would ahve to travel from the sun? or the earth? to the moon then bounce off and come back? Hmm? All I knw, is the plant wants 12/12. If you fuck that up for 1minute- however long your plant may go into shock. Its been having 12/12 for how long no light leakage, then randomly theres lights, the plant may think somethings wrong and hermmie. Hermies are made when the plant thinks it may not be pollinated, in its last attempt to reporduce it hermies to pollinate itself and keep it alive for the next yeat. Amazing eh. So if we can simulate the most perfect environment the plant will just swell and swell hoping to get justa grain of pollen.

Cannabis plants are so smart. Im amazed at how they know when to flower just by how much nighttime they get.

Id think tho, if you had a light leak the whole time threw your grow, it may adjust to it, but i still think it would be like, WTF Im supposed to be lights out, im supposed to be matbolizing my sugars, wtf, now Im photosynthisizing WTF, then lights go completely out, ok back to sugars, lights on photo. YOur plants gonna wanna kill you. Hence the hermmie.

ANYWAYS. These things are more important for indoor growers as usually we dont want seeds and all that shit. This was fun. Ive always read to be light proof.

Buffalo Soldier

01-31-2010, 03:46 PM

MonkeyBone

01-31-2010, 03:53 PM

Well, I guess maybe your right, but Im not sure the light from the moon even has anykinda light that the plant would use/recognize???? thats a good questions. Thinking about it tho, the light would ahve to travel from the sun? or the earth? to the moon then bounce off and come back? Hmm? All I knw, is the plant wants 12/12. If you fuck that up for 1minute- however long your plant may go into shock. Its been having 12/12 for how long no light leakage, then randomly theres lights, the plant may think somethings wrong and hermmie. Hermies are made when the plant thinks it may not be pollinated, in its last attempt to reporduce it hermies to pollinate itself and keep it alive for the next yeat. Amazing eh. So if we can simulate the most perfect environment the plant will just swell and swell hoping to get justa grain of pollen.

Cannabis plants are so smart. Im amazed at how they know when to flower just by how much nighttime they get.

Id think tho, if you had a light leak the whole time threw your grow, it may adjust to it, but i still think it would be like, WTF Im supposed to be lights out, im supposed to be matbolizing my sugars, wtf, now Im photosynthisizing WTF, then lights go completely out, ok back to sugars, lights on photo. YOur plants gonna wanna kill you. Hence the hermmie.

ANYWAYS. These things are more important for indoor growers as usually we dont want seeds and all that shit. This was fun. Ive always read to be light proof.

Sometime I forget to close the closet door at 10pm, shuts it at like 10h30, even 11...maybe that's why there are like 1-2 bananas showing on some buds. Or the fact that the bean was from a hermi...I don't know

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EnhAnceD

01-31-2010, 04:08 PM

Sometime I forget to close the closet door at 10pm, shuts it at like 10h30, even 11...maybe that's why there are like 1-2 bananas showing on some buds. Or the fact that the bean was from a hermi...I don't know

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Yup. Its most likely both. Plants that went hermmie and spilled its own pollin on the buds have a higher chance of hermin. With light leaks, the plant will stress which will cause the already hightened chance of hermmie, due to self pollination, to occur, providing ur seed was from a self herm.

Lets say tho, you hade two fem plants. One hermmies, the other doesnt, or youve just saved some pollen from a great strain that hermmied on you. If you apply pollen from an previous hermmie to a plant that hasnt hermmed you will get great Fem Seeds. All plants have the genetics to cause a hermmie no matter what, enough stress or even over maturing will make it herm, amongst almost anything esle that will stress the plant. My first grow I had to change my lighting up 2 hours b.c of schedule change and I know she hermmied somwhere due to that. When I cropped my plant I had very very small seeds that were no where near mature. Still great smoke, but you gotta be carefull b.c once it hermies you have such small time to catch it and cut it off and if it spreads it pollen pretty much plants slow down their bud production once they get pollinated as they have completed their lifes purpose.....aside getting smoked ahhaha.

And I go on and on my friendssssss, and Ill go on and on aginnnn. SOme ppl may start sayin wow enhanced has togot alot to say, And Ill agree with out delay that this is starting to sound gay. hahahahhahaha. OK im done. lol. I hope you get my song dub. lol.:rastasmoke:

MonkeyBone

01-31-2010, 05:04 PM

Yup. Its most likely both. Plants that went hermmie and spilled its own pollin on the buds have a higher chance of hermin. With light leaks, the plant will stress which will cause the already hightened chance of hermmie, due to self pollination, to occur, providing ur seed was from a self herm.

Lets say tho, you hade two fem plants. One hermmies, the other doesnt, or youve just saved some pollen from a great strain that hermmied on you. If you apply pollen from an previous hermmie to a plant that hasnt hermmed you will get great Fem Seeds. All plants have the genetics to cause a hermmie no matter what, enough stress or even over maturing will make it herm, amongst almost anything esle that will stress the plant. My first grow I had to change my lighting up 2 hours b.c of schedule change and I know she hermmied somwhere due to that. When I cropped my plant I had very very small seeds that were no where near mature. Still great smoke, but you gotta be carefull b.c once it hermies you have such small time to catch it and cut it off and if it spreads it pollen pretty much plants slow down their bud production once they get pollinated as they have completed their lifes purpose.....aside getting smoked ahhaha.

And I go on and on my friendssssss, and Ill go on and on aginnnn. SOme ppl may start sayin wow enhanced has togot alot to say, And Ill agree with out delay that this is starting to sound gay. hahahahhahaha. OK im done. lol. I hope you get my song dub. lol.:rastasmoke:

The seed is from a hermi that pollinated on a female.

Buffalo Soldier

01-31-2010, 07:23 PM

Got quite a bit of work to do on the cab...extension, painting,lighting, new socket cord......with the exta veg time planned, I don't feel as rushed.....

lights are currently 18/6

fan runs 24/7

cab temp 66F

ambient 73

peace:jointsmile:

MonkeyBone

01-31-2010, 07:42 PM

FAT Leaves, that's cool!!

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Buffalo Soldier

02-01-2010, 06:59 AM

check these out.......65w 2700k cfl (spirals) haven't seen this type before

TCP 68 Watt (300W) SpringLight Soft White 1 Pack (E)* - 28968RP at The Home Depot (http://www.homedepot.com/Electrical-Light-Bulbs-Compact-Tube-Fluorescents-Compact-Fluorescents/h_d1/N-5yc1vZ1xj8Zbmat/R-100676712/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053)

great price too!!......4 of theses will be my flowering lights

EcoSmart 42 Watt (150W) Soft White 1 Pack (E)* - ES5S842 at The Home Depot (http://www.homedepot.com/Electrical-Light-Bulbs-Compact-Tube-Fluorescents-Compact-Fluorescents/h_d1/N-5yc1vZ1xj8Zbmat/R-100663847/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053)

and these I'll swap these in for more veg power in a week or so. curently running 27watt...5500k with one daylight model

gettin this lighting swap planned out:smokin:

buffalo

Buffalo Soldier

02-01-2010, 07:02 PM

got em both watered in the last few days.I wait now till they look vibrant, when the leaves look as if reaching for the sky. I wait for a bit of water run out.

I also let one of the plants loose from the LST....it's bent over quite a bit so i figure let it recover

seriously thinking about fimming these two, I'm looking at possibly 6 tops per plant going into the screen at best, a good FIMM will double that, so maybe right before i place the screen .

Def. gonna upgrade the veg lights at some point, the ones i posted in the previous post are 2700k, went to see them today. So i'll have to order fromm 1000bulbs. Little at a time.......I have a canopy to build.

burn one and unleash your wisdom on my grow......

GOAL: 3z...can it be done??...even if i go to one plant!!...some say hell yea!
...honest opinions please....

Buffalo:stoned:

Buffalo Soldier

02-02-2010, 11:56 PM

This is the best they have ever looked........

..I'm thinkin they may have to be repotted in the next few weeks.....still trying to get the timing down

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maybe i could fimm in a few weeks or add 2 42 watt 2700 cfl's?? the 2700's might make the plant jump but if i fimm, it'll veg slower

Buffalo:stoned:

Buffalo Soldier

02-04-2010, 04:03 PM

the plants have been looking great the last 3 days or so but this morning, both were droopy. I watered them and then gave em a big bend in the opposite direction.

new plan:D

thinking of 4 42watt 2700k lights for rest of veg (a little over 10000 lumens)after i transplant to the 3 gallon containers......the reason for the abandonment of the 5500k is because the local HD does not have higher than 27watt 5500k, and I'm not using credit cards for now....debt is the enemy .......I also don't want too much vert. growth .......with this set up I don't see why i wouldn't be able to finish in the containers.....i'll be feeding with MG bloom formula when they need it.......i will keep these lights on till the screen is 3/4 full which i will place after they adapt to the transplant and after they recover from the LST. still in the air on timing as i have to get a fimm in before the screen...the lst i have just done will be my last before the fimm.

I'll let them grow into the screen and then switch to 4 65 watt lights (16,800 lumens)for the scrog. (2700k)

still have to get a new screen

I just hope that these pots will be good enough to last the lst and recovery
....pics to come

buffalo......:jointsmile:

Buffalo Soldier

02-05-2010, 02:49 PM

did some work on the cab by extending the height of the door.....

various shots, the lst is working well, keepin them short and bushy....

plenty of tops popping through..

enjoy..:D

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Buffalo Soldier

02-05-2010, 02:55 PM

felt like takin more, i think they look pretty good;)

thinkin being that the lst is making so many tops I could sex before the screen...that is , after the transplant and FIMM???

enjoy:)

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Buffalo Soldier

02-05-2010, 07:00 PM

you guys think i should cover the top of the soil with cardboard, to get more out of the pot? I don't want to run into problems when i'm at the end of flowering in the 3 gal pots.

It's not easy to determine had big the rootball is because of the height control and constantly worrying about not having enough vertical height, this happens to be my problem.....

It'll be much more therapeutic next time......

buffalo.......perfume is in the air!

Buffalo Soldier

02-05-2010, 07:22 PM

Grow is currently one month old.......:stoned:

bigtopsfinn

02-05-2010, 07:46 PM

you guys think i should cover the top of the soil with cardboard, to get more out of the pot? I don't want to run into problems when i'm at the end of flowering in the 3 gal pots.

Not sure what you mean about putting cardboard on top of the soil? Are you talking about extending the pots with cardboard wrapped around them?

You could try cake stacking, i.e. a few weeks into flower you use the same pot and fill about 1/3 with soil and place the rootball on top of that, then filling in the sides. IMO, you will run into trouble with just those 3 gals for the entire grow :(

Buffalo Soldier

02-05-2010, 07:52 PM

I was referring to blocking the light from the soil, the roots are deterred about an inch down because of the light.

EnhAnceD

02-05-2010, 08:16 PM

Bro Nice job on the LST. I almost think you sohuld skip the fim and see how she goes with just the 4-5 we see. SHes gonna get bigger once u flip her as well, might wanna sex her to make sure its a female as to not waste too much time. You should check all your nodes for Pre Flower PIstils. Usually preflowers occur 4-6 weeks into the veg cycle. Still looking great. I just built my new Flower Cab. Cardboard and Duck tape. WOOT.

ANd to answer your questions about puting something ontop of the soil. Iv used Plane White paper to help reflect what light gets down there up, Iv also used tinfoil. I found all that it did was keep my dirt moist longer, gave me about another day or 2 before I had to water. The roots usually grow right out to the walls leaving alot of dirt with no root in the middle.

Iv read about this special paint, its got something in it, where basically you paint the inside of your pots and when your roots grow they will stay about 1/2 and inch from the walls. You can train your roots to grow more on the inside and bulk up there. Pretty interesting.

Buffalo Soldier

02-05-2010, 09:04 PM

right on man:hippy: Yea I'm lovin my cardboard...

Guess that whole cover the soil thing could bring on a whole new set of problems....better not fix what's not broke:D

gonna transplant before I sex em'.......don't wanna stress flowering plants with a sloppy transplant.....I don't have a whole lot of experience with Fimming, but the LST is working very well.

Thanks for the props bro.I'll burn one in your honor:rasta:

peace..Buffalo:stoned:

Buffalo Soldier

02-06-2010, 08:10 PM

I think I mentioned earlier in the thread that I had access to a large compost pile.......

Compost is what I usually grow in, never had any problems except for some gnats and weeds........I think I would add perlite if i use it........never even used perlite in compost....this is mostly leaves and clippings, I had old horse manure last time.

any opinions on flowering in the compost with perlite instead of continuing with mg.

gotta transplant in the next week or so.:S5:

EnhAnceD

02-06-2010, 08:18 PM

I have no experience growing with compost. Iv read/herd somwhere, as I must have to think this lol, but compost is not recommended. What is recommended, is using Perlite, Vermiculite, some lime, some blood meal, and some clean nice dirt. This all helps to keep your PH stable as well provide great water drainage and an extremely easy growing medium to grow threw.

Cannabis plants are stupidly sensative to over watering and having to work hard. They are a lazy ass plant lol. Iv seen ppl grow using only perlite and vermiculite. The roots just slide in between and you do get some water holdage but mostly it drains, why you use a bit of dirt.

Personally I use Schults and MG soils that have nutes, only gives a little burnt tips, again sensative girls they be, but i mix about half perlite and half dirt, it really does make a world of different in seedlings and it usually lasts me up until I start my flower cycle, at least as I can tell as I then use Schults SUper Bloom 10-50-10, I use it at 1/4 str as its bullshit bloom fertilizer lol, helps somewhat but once I stop for my last 2.5 weeks of plain water, you can tell how the leaves yellow up as its not getting its food from the dirt but from itself.

I would suggest, if you can, germinate another seed or once you can, take a cutting and root it, and use a small beer cup or small styrphome cup with the compost. Prolly will have to add nutes but I wouldnt dare just dive in on the transplant with the compost until you know its not just nasty shit lol. Just my .02$. Wouldnt want to stress her so bad that she herms when what your using is working fine.

Buffalo Soldier

02-07-2010, 09:04 PM

no preflowers yet......nothin looks male though...:thumbsup:

Plants were drooping and curling everywhere, adapting to the LST.....I let them both go and trained em straight....now i'm just tying down shoots as they broke canopy which is 13" from the floor in the pots they have...watered and had to feed one some of the mg boost formula, she's gettin a tad yellow.........transplant asap.............

i will go with the 42watt cfl's next...........opened up the width of the cab door.and screwed a 4ft piece of trim to the left side for support....lights have been hanging from a chain for a while now.

i'll transplant, even out the canopy...and see where the height is from the floor......

the screen will probably go in about 2-3 weeks..

still need flat white .LOL......still bein lazy on that extension.........i want it all done before flower.

I may shoot to sex em right before the screen.looks like the fimm is out fellas.i guess enhanced was right:thumbsup:....lookin at 5-6 tops a plant going into the screen plus i'll weave em in a bit........whether i have 1 or 2 plants will decide how i scrog.

hopefully 4 68 watters for flowering........the fun part is around the corner fellas!

buffalo:stoned:
pics to come........

EnhAnceD

02-07-2010, 10:59 PM

Sounds good. Like everyones whos ever scrogged will tell you, and i havnt so im not exactley saying I know from experience, but you gotta do it once or twice to get it right. You gotta know how your plant is gonna grow, if its going to stretch mad in flower or should u veg it out until you have nice long branches, then put the screen on. So many discisions, so much fun.

Do you have a ph meter? I use the water one, got it at walmart. Was 5-6 dollars and is usable up to 250 times. they give you a small vile, a little overside eye dropper thing with the ph solution and a chart. Works great for telling me my taps ph, my britas ph and the ph after I water.

Mg SUper bloom/Schults big bloom is usually fine for tomatoes and roses and flowers in general, and considering cannabis buds are flowers lol, you can deff use that stuff but be warned, and this is why I asked about the ph meter. Those fertilizers have a very very high ph. My brita water comes out blow 5ph, which is why I use a 50/50 tap water and brita water, makes my ph about 6.2ph. But if I add nutes it sky rockets. Be very carefull as this will stress your plant so bad. When I use nutes I use purily brita water as with 2ml of nutes I get 6.2 ph. Britas are very cool, they use a carbon scrubber just like we do helps to soften and lower the ph, as well deactives the chlorine so I dont have to wait 24 to use the tap water that I filter.

Food for thought my friend. Oh and I thought you might wan to know this as well if you didnt. Generally you want to flush your plants once a month with 3x the ammount of water it can hold. Helps to clear out and salts and if you have a ph issue where its going up n down all the time this will help to nutralize this, you can also pre mix this amount of water with a fertilizer of your choice and ph correct it and flush with that, helps to even things out.

NO more talky for me, this is why I dont smoke and write on here, i write as if i were actually talking to you hahahaha. Tokers unite haha.

Buffalo Soldier

02-08-2010, 06:03 PM

went inside the cab man....well not literally, i got some motivation :smokebong: and then i dropped my canopy from 13" off the floor down to 7".and I tucked a bit and exposed about 6+ new tops. Colors look good ......I mist every day by the way:wtf:....... anyhow, I'll just let em ' cook for a while under the lights.

If the color wants to fade again, i won't feed..I'll do the trans and then up the lights to the 42's.....

battery is charging...:cursing:

buffalo:stoned:

Buffalo Soldier

02-08-2010, 08:19 PM

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Just gonna stay with the LST till I get the transplant done then i'll sex after recover.

It all depends what i get.i believe this cab has a decent potential.....a tweak here and there with a few improvements.....that's for next time..

Runin' 66F in cab........lowered lights 1 link:thumbsup:

buffalo:D

jakester

02-08-2010, 11:02 PM

Looking good. You may need to remove a bunch of leaves at some point...maybe after most of the flower stretch is done.

Buffalo Soldier

02-11-2010, 05:47 AM

plants look good , i have fed them both a little, just to give em a boost so they make it to transplant...probably didn't need it, but it seems to have made them a bit perky.......they're taking water every few days now so they'll need a bigger pot soon..I say a week or so.

Plants are @ 5 weeks veg........

still rockin the Lst, tryin to make em' reach the walls.

I'll let them loose when I transplant, up the lights to 42's while waiting for them to sex and recover and then hopefully I'll have a plant or plants to drop a screen on.

I'll weave em under the screen for a week or so till they finish stretching and then go with the 68 watters to finish off.

still have work to do on the cab.

....think I have it planned out!

buffalo:smokin:

Buffalo Soldier

02-11-2010, 08:39 AM

Just finished extending the cab........cardboard and lots of guerrilla tape.

plus the trim support and the cab is feeling quite sturdy at 48" from the ground!

I plan on adding trim on every corner side (4) and cross bars at the top.

..have to clean her out and get some flat white on the walls.....eventually I'll buy some more mylar.

I also have zip ties to hold the screen to the cardboard, i'll cover the outside with guerrilla tape.

the door will also have to be extended again...by the time I flower I should have the cab rock solid.

I believe it was illegal in the 1850's to not grow hemp:wtf3:

peace fellas,
buffalo:stoned:

EnhAnceD

02-11-2010, 03:23 PM

I have to say bub your doing a fine job. FINALLY you got you cab extended its been what a month lol. just jivein ya. glad you got it done. I love building stuff, w.e it may be I guess Im just a hands on person. I like having a task that at first is confusing and you have no real plan, you just go at it and whne your done, you have some mass of Tape and something that will be useful.

Wanted to point out from a previous post. Misting is recommended generally, in the morning right when they wake up, Cervantes Grow Bible says this will help to wash out nitrogen and this is again usually done when you want to take cuttings for clones. Using CFLs and misting isnt a good idea IMO as Iv had them lights burn little holes in my leaves, it was really bad on one plant once and I never did it again. I did try this on my mother plant and it worked wonderfully, 100% Success on all 26 cuttings Iv taken that rooted into clone with my DWC bubble cloner I built. keep misting if its not harming her. Just my personal opinion, gives u a reason to check em out every day right.

On your not abuot it be illegal to NOT grow hemp. I found this link MJ Conspiracy (http://www.illuminati-news.com/marijuana-conspiracy.htm). Its interesting.
- It was LEGAL TO PAY TAXES WITH HEMP in America from 1631 until the early 1800s
- REFUSING TO GROW HEMP in America during the 17th and 18th Centuries WAS AGAINST THE LAW! You could be jailed in Virginia for refusing to grow hemp from 1763 to 1769.
- The first crop grown in many states was hemp. 1850 was a peak year for Kentucky producing 40,000 tons. Hemp was the largest cash crop until the 20th Century.
- In 1916, the U.S. Government predicted that by the 1940s all paper would come from hemp and that no more trees need to be cut down. Government studies report that 1 acre of hemp equals 4.1 acres of trees. Plans were in the works to implement such programs
- Mechanical Engineering Magazine (Feb. 1938) published an article entitled 'The Most Profitable and Desirable Crop that Can be Grown.' It stated that if hemp was cultivated using 20th Century technology, it would be the single largest agricultural crop in the U.S. and the rest of the world.

These are just a few pointers, I encourage everyone to read this.

Buffalo Soldier

02-11-2010, 04:44 PM

Thanks for the kind words Enhanced, I'm really trying to stay on top of things

...I feel like if i create the best environment, mother nature will bless me with females....

the fun is about to begin:thumbsup:

buffalo

Buffalo Soldier

02-11-2010, 07:05 PM

I gues you coulod say i am slowly "framing" around my cab.....she's getting real sturdy and safe:thumbsup:

Damn, the constitution, declaration of independence and the first american flag to fly was made of hemp!!:wtf3::wtf3::wtf3::wtf3:

burner:wtf:

Buffalo Soldier

02-12-2010, 08:02 PM

as far as the eye can see......

SOG via LST :)

Buffalo Soldier

02-12-2010, 08:06 PM

Still not on all 4 walls...but gettin there....I'll leave a little extra room for stretching if both plants are fem.

I figure once I put the 42watt 2700's at 18/6 i'm sure they will still stretch..

Plants look pretty good so I'll keep doin what i'm doin.:D

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Buffalo Soldier

02-14-2010, 02:26 PM

lots of droop goin on this mornin, didn't have time to peek in yesterday......
so I watered, fed a bit and released most of the ties...

gonna let them recover now as it should be about two weeks before I sex em, that will put me at almost 6 weeks today and @ 8 weeks when they have recovered..no preflowers that I can see, but I'll take a better look when they recover from being a bit dry.

as I'm watering I can actually see the plants improving....:D

I have my supplies list...gonna put about $300 into the grow..all necessary items.....I should be set for a while after that .

I'll put up my list and prices paid when I'm settled......

........plants were droopy but color looked great, I checked the tips.....they're just dry

buffalo

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02-14-2010, 02:35 PM

Buffalo Soldier

02-14-2010, 04:17 PM

Looking very nice Buf :thumbsup:

The droop might be an indication of rootbound also, might want to check that out.

Also you said you released the ties. Just curious why? I'm bringing this up because the plant will always choose one shoot to be the tallest, and focus most of it's energy there. You might lose your even canopy if you don't keep them tied.

what's up bigtops, your grow is sick:thumbsup:

anyhow..I thought i would flower in 2 weeks they're suppose to rest I thought, they'll get a transplant real soon. both seem to be having a quick recovery, as long as i watch them i should be able to last a few more days.

I'm kinda buggin about the 3 gal pots I'm going to next, I just wanna have enough room for roots to finish the plants strong.

so in the next 2 weeks i am planning on a transplant as well as thee beginning of flowering.

where am i going wrong fellas??:bigsmoke::S5::smokebong:

I find it hard to guess how much room i'm using up in the pots because of the low profile.:wtf:

bigtopsfinn

02-14-2010, 04:51 PM

Thanks! It's getting there, still learning with the new soils I'm using :jointsmile:

I understand recovery time as "no more training", but still keeping everything tied up.

Don't worry about the recovery too much with LST, if you top them then that's a different story. I trained 2-3 weeks into flowering for the scrog and had no problems. I think that's the best way to get an even canopy, and even then, some nugs will be bigger than others. No way to get it perfectly even.

I think the 3 gals will be a little too small to finish with, especially with 8 weeks of veg time. I try to transplant in a way that the plants don't spend more than 6 weeks in one container to avoid ph problems.

Buffalo Soldier

02-14-2010, 06:31 PM

bigtopsfinn

02-14-2010, 06:42 PM

Thanks for the info man, i'll get em tied back down asap....as far as the buckets.I have 2 3gal buckets that barely fit and 5 gallon buckets that would only fit one in the cab........any ideas???

thanks again for the help:cool:

What about square pots, or 4 gals?

I've been on the search for buckets myself, and had an idea to make my own grow bags using large black garbage bags and duct tape... I haven't tried it yet, but I was going to wrap a garbage bag around the sized container I want, then use duct tape to hold the size. Maybe this wouldn't help in your case, unless you wanted to make taller versions of your 3 gals.

I wouldn't lose sleep over it yet, but something to think about in case you need to do it.

Buffalo Soldier

02-15-2010, 04:48 AM

.....just trained the hell out of both plants, lowered the lights and called it a day..

my plant with the fat leaves looked like it needed some food so i whipped a batch of boost and fatty soaked it right up.......transplant is coming...

will check in the morning and mist......

buffalo.:rastasmoke:

maybe I'll make a trip to HD in the morning....:D

Buffalo Soldier

02-15-2010, 05:52 AM

when I get my supplies, I should have everything to clone these plants...

They should show in about 2 weeks, while waiting I'll switch 2 of the 5500's to 2700 42 watters........and just keep training them....this idea has just hit the drawing board.I also have to refine my cloning technique, no more screw ups......I like the method that does not use rooting hormone. I have a high huminity area in the house that I use to crack seeds and start seedlings till they are strong enough for the higher lumen lights.

buffalo:stoned:

Buffalo Soldier

02-15-2010, 05:25 PM

hit the HD today , 68watters are sold out, so they ordered 40 in front of me, so a few more days.

see ya in a few:stoned:

Buffalo Soldier

02-18-2010, 05:03 PM

sorry, only had a few minutes....a nice shot none the less

say hello ...:D

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Buffalo Soldier

02-19-2010, 04:17 PM

guys, what the hell is this......it feels soft , i'm thinking light burn ( but I use cfl's and they maintain 2-3"'s....you can see it on a close up on the shot from my previous post, 7 weeks in, i'm thinking i need to flush and transplant which I haven't done yet....I was going to flush at the 1 month mark but I didn't think it was too important....this is the only leaf with a spot like this, everything else looks great......the leaf is also attached to a top and if you look at the previus post pic, you you see a bit of twisting at the developing brown spot ( it feels healthy though)...nute burn? I thought nute burn only occurred at the tips and worked in??

I'm at a loss.......

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Buffalo Soldier

02-19-2010, 07:45 PM

although i have never seen such a large brown spot, the twisting is indicative of nute burn.....funny how it's only on that one leaf.

so being that I have not flushed yet, i'll run 2 liters through the soil, which should be enough.

I have been using ferts more so with this plant in particular, so I guess this is the plant asking for a flush/transplant..........so that 's the direction i'm going

buffalo:(

Buffalo Soldier

02-21-2010, 08:06 PM

bought a bunch of supplies...

will be transplanting in under 4 hours..fatty is showing signs of root lock out.:(

tons of picks coming:)

buffalo:stoned:

Buffalo Soldier

02-26-2010, 12:43 AM

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howdy all.......these are shots of what i call " the good plant"......you'll understand after the next shots...

we are 7 weeks solid...transplants into 8" pots and all is looking well, no preflowers yet , and I have upgraded to 5000k cfl's with a total of 7000lumens from 5500k 5600 lumn cfl's.....I also added a reflector...I have the bigger one's for flowering.adding the reflector significantly reduced light loss to the roof of the cab......continuing LST...when I see preflowers I will transplant to 10" pots........if I see any signs of lock out I will transplant immediately.I have the pots ready to go....

buffalo

Buffalo Soldier

02-26-2010, 01:17 AM

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so this is the plant that gave me some trouble.aka "fatty"
It got root locked.that spot was the beginning.......I have never seen a symptom such as that so I wound up waiting to transplant and the root lock leaf discloration spread all over the plant

the big ass leaves were a huge problem with covering up the tops and they were quite affected by the lock out.I did a bit of trimming, transplanted . lst'd and then i friggin cracked the main stem where i topped...i put some guerilla tape on it and it has improved tremendously .........still no preflowers but I have many more tops exposed to the lights.......hopefully the plant will recover fully ......it has been through hell

the new growth looks great :)

anyway take a close look and tell me what you think about the recovery..

buffalo

Buffalo Soldier

02-26-2010, 01:29 AM

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here are some full cab shots as well as overheads.you can also see remnants of the lock out:(....but the canopy is filling out nicely with planty of new growth:)

buffalo

Buffalo Soldier

02-26-2010, 01:37 AM

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the square footage is being utilized well.........i am also using moisture control because that is all the HD had.....

buffalo

Buffalo Soldier

02-26-2010, 01:40 AM

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just a shot of the perlite that i use.

I am learning a ton!!:thumbsup:

buffalo...

Buffalo Soldier

03-01-2010, 01:41 PM

I'm at the point now where my canopy has just about filled the entire 2.25 space .....

It would be so much easier for me to just sex the plants and then make decisions from there....

I still want want to scrog as the canopy is fairly even with lots of new growth coming in, I'm sure the scrog will give me much more yield than a sog.

if I put in 2 separate screens I will still have to train the plant to stay on its proper side and if I have a male I run the risk of disrupting the sacs........so the plan is to put 4 42 watters in and let em sex:D

I'm just under 8 weeks with no preflowers and I'm in 8" pots (fairly recent transplant)........

As soon as they show their sex I'll transplant to 10" pots.....I should make it because I'll be about 2 weeks into flower and there normally isn't a ton of root growth towards the end........I've been using the teir method also.......freeing up much more soil for the plants.

pics to come....

buffalo:rasta:

Buffalo Soldier

03-02-2010, 07:45 PM

lights have been switched to 12/12....but I'm still using the 5000k bulbs for a total of 7000 lumens......I want to continue root growth, as I will not finish in these pots and I don't want to waste soil and the 2700k bulbs. Will continue to even out the canopy as I wait for the sex.

PRAY FOR FEMALES!!

:DBuffalo

Buffalo Soldier

03-02-2010, 08:17 PM

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as mentioned in a previous post, you can still see remnants of the root lock from the previous pots

but since the transplant, the new growth looks great and they have taken root in the new soil........

Buffalo Soldier

03-02-2010, 08:25 PM

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still trying to maintain the even canopy while exposing new shoots, things look pretty good ...:rastasmoke:.........will update when I have definitive sexes...

KillerBudG

03-04-2010, 10:03 AM

Looking good thus far buffalo, keep up the show:thumbsup: Ill be following along on this.:jointsmile:

~One~:rastasmoke:
~budG~:rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

Buffalo Soldier

03-07-2010, 07:23 PM

unfortunately, my plants have become projectile objects via the wifey. Let this be a lesson to all.......don't get snippy with the significant other during a grow..........I do feel that my size cab is really only meant for one plant, so I am going to take the one plant which isn't as destroyed and try to save it.

I will update.....:(

Buffalo Soldier

03-07-2010, 07:44 PM

ok , so I put the good plant firmly into it's pot and filled in around the root ball. I gave a good once over and didn't see any branch breaks just limpy leaves....I watered, changed the lights back to 18/6 and will hope for the best. The plant has plenty of room now....My other problem plant had a busted "main stem" and what i had originally fixed.........(cracked main stem from too much bending) has been made far worse...I actually had nothing but problems from the beginning with it, maybe she did me a favor:D.........very quick root growth , maybe it was a male. Anyway, this will probably stress the shit out of it but.......hopefully with a little tlc, I may still get some kind of yield.....If it recovers I'll be able to really bush the hell out of it........

Recovery first......

Buffalo:thumbsup:

Buffalo Soldier

03-08-2010, 02:22 AM

ok..so this is what I'm working with.....doesn't look too bad, I'll have to see what things are like in the morning

On a positive note, the plant has more of an ideal environment...

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not bad for a plant that was thrown 10ft into a wall and knocked completely out of its' pot!:mad:

it is currently under 7000lumens of 5000K.......

Buffalo Soldier

03-08-2010, 08:41 PM

My plant is hangin in there, I'm actually starting to LST a bit.

so much easier now to open her up and spin the bin around that I have the pot in...

this cab is def. for one plant or a few clones....the wheels are spinning:hippy:

Will post pics tonight......

buffalo:thumbsup:

Buffalo Soldier

03-09-2010, 02:55 PM

my plant is definitely showing strong signs of recovery in most areas......I noticed only one leaf with brown areas.......so far so good...I really like how I can branch the plant out and feed it to the lights.

The 8" pot has plenty of room for the roots , so I'm hoping to continue vegging till preflowers........If I have a female then I will definitely try and clone it with the non root hormone method.......

Things are looking up .......the plant is no longer cramped...I would feel 110% better if I knew it was a female.......so I can transplant to a 3 gallon pot and throw up the 42's and cook the crap out of the buds in a screen

pray for my little abused plant!!:(

Buffalo Soldier

03-09-2010, 11:39 PM

Added 2 42 watters for a total of 8700 lumens..I now have a more complete spectrum with the 2 5000k cfl's and 2 2700k cfl's...

temps hover at 70F

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Buffalo Soldier

03-11-2010, 02:17 PM

IT'S A GIRL!!

Buffalo Soldier

03-11-2010, 02:19 PM

:woohoo::jumphappy::rastabanna::giggity::clap:

bigtopsfinn

03-11-2010, 06:56 PM

IT'S A GIRL!!

That's great news Buff :thumbsup:

Sorry to here about the little tiff earlier :wtf:, first grows are often like this, can't stop looking or messing around with them, reading about them, buying things for them... things that the wifey usually wants you to do for her. It gets a little better after a couple grows :jointsmile:

Just curious what happened to the other 2? Were the main stems broken or why didn't you try and recover 1 or both?

Buffalo Soldier

03-11-2010, 07:14 PM

yea, preflowers were showing this morning.......As far as cloning one of the stems on the plant i chucked.........I don't have another cab set up and I was really hoping for a single female to finish, it's just so much roomier for just one.....2 is way too cramped.

currently trying to come up with an idea for another cab.I want to clone the one I have and get some kind of perpetual thing going for awhile.......

gotta find a screen........

bigtopsfinn

03-11-2010, 07:29 PM

Chicken wire is nice and cheap. Just make sure the holes are a decent size (enough for new shoots to grow through).

Buffalo Soldier

03-14-2010, 02:09 AM

still tryin to bush her out.......I'll be transplanting again before putting the screen in the cab. currently 18/6

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Buffalo Soldier

03-15-2010, 02:45 PM

...I branch her out a bit every few days........

I also went to 4 2700 k 42 watt bulbs, I had to upgrade the max watt cord

so stiill 18/6 under 10,400 lumens..

Walls are getting a fresh coat of paint real soon...

Temp is sitting at 70F

:)

middieman440

03-15-2010, 02:54 PM

KillerBudG

03-17-2010, 07:06 AM

Buffalo Soldier

03-19-2010, 12:44 AM

nice plant guy....question how many cfl's are you using for veg and flower...i like the cfl's but the highest i can find for a regular socket is the 42 watters.for flowering and the highest for veg is the 100 watt equivalant lights.

but nice plants dude good job and dont let the cardboard catcha blaze...

hey man.thanks for droppin in!

although I am still veggin, for reasons explained in previous posts. I have only used a 4 bulb set up......that is for both veg and flower. I can get 68 watters at 2700 K for flowering...I'll probably put those over the plant after the final transplant..the bigger the roots, the bigger the buds:D I am currently using the 42 watters because of the lumen output..I may find a way to drop 4 1750 lumen 5000k 27watt bulbs on it too.......I'm a bit tight on time and low on inspiration:stoned: Check the HTG website for bulbs, they have everything....I'm just broke........and relying on home depot;)

the width of my cab limits me to maybe 2 fixtures.......I will try to design my own hood at some point....temps have not been a problem.steady at 70F.

I would love set up a perpetual system but I have to set up another cab......I have tons of other stuff to do first....

thanks for all the support fellas...:thumbsup:

Buffalo

Buffalo Soldier

03-19-2010, 12:48 AM

Keep it up, I find that the 42w Put out a nice lil bit of heat when you get 2-6 of them together. So I decided to go with a 150w hps, its awesome.. I just gotta separate the ballast so its remote. By doing this I hope to improve my heat issues 15-20% so ill be fine.:D Will check back in your log in couple days your ladie looks great, wish I just could do 1 ladie but i need 3 lol:hippy:

~One~:rastasmoke:
~BudG~:rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

didn't know you could disconnect the ballast........???

please, tell me more.

I want more ladies too man, but I gotta get more space and build a cab....A wooden cab will be more stable and will be easier to attach a filter and control the odor

KillerBudG

03-19-2010, 03:06 AM

Buffalo Soldier

03-19-2010, 01:54 PM

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shots from today........I have so many shoots I think I'm gonna transplant very soon..don't wanna run into problems......I'll try to hit HD today and pick up a screen and 4 of those 68 watters:D........I'll hold the screen in place with zip ties.

still have to hit the walls with another coat of flat white........re LST'ing is going to be a pain in the ass.......I need some inspiration first:stoned:

this next bucket is 3 gal.....unsure yet if I should finish in my 5 gal....??

My goal is to pull 2oz from this plant.......big roots big buds:thumbsup:

peace:rastasmoke:

Buffalo Soldier

03-19-2010, 02:00 PM

Sorry could not find the other info from the 'Mag' but here is something that will help also. This is if you go the security light way tho. The 150 fixture from a garden shop is not as complicated as you just move the ballast and that to another case and extend the cord properly.. IF you are not familiar with electricity i do not recommend you to try it tho as sometimes a charge is stored in the unit.

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~BudG~:rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

Great article Killer!.I'm thinking of trying a 70 watt HPS in this cab, we'll see how the temps do:cool:....I'll have to tinker a bit if I shoot for a 150watter..I think it's very similar in price for the 70 and 150 HPS.......I'll probably wind up building a cab.....I love the tents but they are a bit pricey..I'd rather put the money into a HID HPS:D

thanks again for the info....

Buffalo:rastasmoke:

bigtopsfinn

03-19-2010, 02:04 PM

I think that's ready for the screen, and flowering soon too :)

What size container is it in now?

Buffalo Soldier

03-19-2010, 02:06 PM

8" pot........going to a 3 gallon..........should I go with the 5 gallon instead...........thanks for the input Finn:)

bigtopsfinn

03-19-2010, 02:33 PM

Damn, not really familiar with the 8", but unless you are flowering tomorrow, I'd probably go with the 3 gal. It'll last you a few weeks, then transplant into the 5 gal a week or two into flower. It'll help avoid the problem with leeching out buffers and ph drop mid to late flower. The buffers are good for maybe about 6-8 weeks.

I'd get that screen going soon. You'll notice that the sooner you can get the branches growing up into and then along the screen horizontally, the more growth shoots and bud sites you will have. I even tied a few branches so that their lower middle nodes were tied up against the screen, and the new shoots at all the nodes above it were on level with the screen and directly under the light.

I also tuck the fan leaves underneath the new shoots and out of the way every day to two.

It won't look very pretty at first, but in a couple months it'll be a sea of buds :rastasmoke:

Buffalo Soldier

03-19-2010, 02:39 PM

thanks man.....I'll get on it ASAP......:thumbsup:

Buffalo Soldier

03-20-2010, 07:44 PM

Transplanted to 3 gal and did a bit of LST....just trying to even out the canopy ....I also went to 15650 lumens by adding 3 5000k 27w cfls......much much brighter..I have to get another y connector for the fixture to add another bulb....My cord socket is a 300 watt max so i am safely under.....I try not to use more than 80% of the max and never 90%.

so I'll keep hitting the Lst while she recovers.........the plant wants to just burst with buds but I want to get it under the screen ASAP and transplant to the 5 gallon at some point after...can't wait to see what the extra light does for her, it's more of a complete spectrum.

still have to hit the walls with paint.

buffalo:stoned:

Buffalo Soldier

03-21-2010, 03:41 PM

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redtails

03-21-2010, 04:05 PM

Wow she's looking great! I've tried the 70w security light, remote ballast, and it's pretty darn hot even with the ballast outside of the box!

KillerBudG

03-22-2010, 07:54 AM

Hey, Your plant seems to becoming along fine.:hippy: Looks like it will be a great scrog going on here in a couple weeks.

As far as the light goes, I still have my 150w ballast still in the hood. It is in a 2X2X3 the temps with no actual fan sucking air out(breather hole in box also) is in between 76-82 F.. I have a fan in the cab blowing directly at the hood/bulb an its now cool to the touch. You can touch right under the hood where the ballast is and its maybe warm at most.:thumbsup: Before the fan it would burn at the touch tho. So I imagine how much more cooler it will be when I take the ballast out.:D

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~BudG~:rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

Buffalo cool light fixture, now if you could only get some bulbs around the plant from the side, Would help with you yield. Well will check back in a couple day later man, Keep it green. :smokebong:

Buffalo Soldier

03-22-2010, 05:43 PM

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1" chicken wire......remember I still have to transplant to the 5 gallon.

kinda pressed on as i push the tops off to the sides....I have a decent amount of room uner the canopy to maneuver the buds around

still runnin 18/6 under 17,400 lumens..

More lumen than a 150hps but about 1.5x's inefficient:(

Anyhow, I have to keep an eye on the watering situation....I poured 3 bottles of water in.....the soil was dry.....

we scroggin baby!

buffalo:thumbsup:

Buffalo Soldier

03-23-2010, 09:15 PM

The screen is working great already:thumbsup:

I extended the screen on its' sides to cover the entire 2.25 sq ft. space......

I watered and will push everything under the screen again tonight.....I'll get my 5gal. ready to go for whenever...

contemplating as to when I should flip the lights again??

Buffalo.......I need glass jars!!

bigtopsfinn

03-23-2010, 09:25 PM

I'd say flip in maybe a week, or when 70% of the screen filled.

Are you going to setup the lights differently? If you want to fill in the whole space, I'd find a way to spread the lights out more. Otherwise the buds on the edges will just be sucking up energy from the plant while growing popcorn buds...

Buffalo Soldier

03-23-2010, 11:02 PM

kinda lost as to what else i could do to improve the lighting with what i have..........

......i'll take more pics of course and maybe there will be a few suggestions:)

peace:stoned:

Buffalo Soldier

03-26-2010, 12:11 AM

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Shovelhandle

03-26-2010, 05:22 PM

Very well done. :)

Buffalo Soldier

03-27-2010, 07:53 PM

thanks for the props shove:thumbsup:

watered yesterday....she's taking a full 2 liters now...

I'll transplant to the 5 gallon next weekend

still lookin for the screen to fill more before I flip the lights......I'm sure you guys will let me know when:stoned:

buffalo

bigtopsfinn

03-27-2010, 08:19 PM

Looks pretty ready for flowering to me. Gotta remember it'll have a good bit of stretch. I don't think you will have a problem filling that screen in.

As for the lighting, I think you'll be ok with what you have now. But, even better would be if you could get them spread out better, instead of just in the middle. Maybe a pair of tracks, with 4 sockets each, use 8 bulbs for each track (with Y splitters), so that's 16 lights total, or depending on how many bulbs and Y splitters you have you can use less bulbs. But if you can keep the temps in range, more light will make a big difference. Here's an example of the track I'm talking about: http://boards.cannabis.com/advanced-techniques/152079-rustys-re-veg.html#post1830094

Buffalo Soldier

03-28-2010, 10:06 PM

...Lights get flipped tonight.......gotta push a bunch of shoots under the screen first....

Thanks for the heads up on the track Finn, I'll look into it....leanin towards a 150hps for the next grow.........still toying with ideas.....

peace...

Buffalo Soldier

04-04-2010, 06:04 PM

@ one week into flower now, with noticeable stretching....I will post pics tonight...

also going to try and transplant into the 5 gallon tonight....this will be the last.

screen is filling in nice, trying to be careful when i pull the branches down.....

I may actually overrun the screen.....

temps holding at 74F

happy easter:)

Buffalo Soldier

04-12-2010, 11:09 PM

at about 2 wks now......been stretchin for awhile..
they may have another week of stretching but that's about it...
the transplant slowed things down a bit, but I was running out of screen anyway..
did a bit of pruning and tying the screen to some branches at the center of the screen.works great Finn:thumbsup:
around 50 bud sites counted....I may get a 5 - 10 more but I think the screen is complete till the end of stretching...
also starting to be more gentle with the shoots when I move things around.....
..foliar feeding a bit , when the roots grab the new soil well I'll switch the spray bottle to my filtered H20
...I figure about 6-7 more weeks before harvest.I need something to magnify the triches.

ENJOY:stoned:

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Buffalo Soldier

04-17-2010, 01:22 AM

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already starting to see crystals.......this seed was from a kick ass bag..

...still need glass jars and 30x loop

enjoy:D

KillerBudG

04-17-2010, 06:34 AM

Looking good, I bet a 400 right over that would kick ass. I just cant let myself go with the idea of 1 plant at a time lol. Nice work tho bro, keep it up.

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~BudG~:rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

Buffalo Soldier

04-21-2010, 12:00 AM

Yea killer I hear ya about the 400........gotta build a new cab out of wood or buy a tent.....and of course come up with a decent vent / cooling system....in time my friend:thumbsup:

added a few more 42 watters on a separate cord...tryin to space things out a bit...it's not pretty, but i'm at 20,400 lumens now:)

currently at @ 3 weeks, i'll drop pics for ya tomorrow....

I may push everything under the screen again one more time, the stretching has definitely slowed sinificantly...I'll start the miracle grow bloom that I have in about another week.......she's really sucking up the water..2L and nothing drains out!!:wtf:

time for some 420........enjoy your night everyone........one day the weed will be frree again..:rastasmoke:

buffalo:smokin:

Buffalo Soldier

04-21-2010, 02:06 AM

great information....

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Buffalo Soldier

04-21-2010, 11:04 PM

These shots are from yesterday..I've since "cleaned things up".

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stretching is about over:D

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Buffalo Soldier

04-24-2010, 11:40 PM

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Shovelhandle

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Buffalo Soldier

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bigtopsfinn

04-26-2010, 06:40 PM

Looking good here :thumbsup: Can't wait to see this finish :jointsmile:

Buffalo Soldier

05-02-2010, 11:39 PM

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had a bit more stretching earlier in week 4 but I haven't noticed much more vertical growth...

looked under the 30x microscope and already saw quite a bit of cloudiness setting in....

feeding with 1/2 strength bloom formula every other watering...

I hope to harvest some time in early June at the latest, then I have plans for a re-veg...:cool:

temps ran to 88 today.....left the cab open for awhile.......still misting with water and sometimes bloom formula.......to me, things look pretty good...
added a hygrometer....I run between 33 and 55........not bad!

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Buffalo Soldier

05-02-2010, 11:47 PM

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still working on close up shots.......i need more practice:(

got some more humid days around these parts on the way but then it's suppose to cool down a bit:)

If i can find some cardboard, I think I might sprout a few.I might just veg for a month & flip the lights........we'll see:D

buffalo

Buffalo Soldier

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Buffalo Soldier

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Buffalo Soldier

05-04-2010, 01:18 PM

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Buffalo Soldier

05-04-2010, 01:22 PM

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i need opinions on what to do with the spots fellas.........

i gave her a gallon and a half of water..........it drains but it takes awhile...so it's kind of a mini flush..........

i thing she needs more food more often......

buffalo:(

Buffalo Soldier

05-04-2010, 07:49 PM

ph/moisture meter is on the way........hopefully it's high, i have some dolomite left over from the lawn..:(

Buffalo Soldier

05-04-2010, 10:20 PM

check out these brown spots........possibly root bound??.........maybe I should up the concentration of the bloom formula??

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probably not root bound........I'm convinced it's locked out.......I may give it a touch of lime tonight.......

t3hn00b137

05-05-2010, 01:19 AM

If your lady was rootbound the leaves would be twisting and yellowing from the edges in. Where are the brown spots located? You may be splashing a bit of your water onto leaves and the leaves are getting burned because of the beads of water on them or they could be getting nute burned from the splashed water. It could even be the plant aging. The leaves will brown and die as you get further into flower... Anyone else have suggestions?

TehNooblet:pimp:

Buffalo Soldier

05-05-2010, 03:00 PM

Still waiting for the ph meter...I gave the plant a bit of lime......miracle grow is acidic, so hopefully I can slow the damage down till I can be more precise with the meter...

she's @ 5 weeks now.......so close!!!..trichs are clouding up quite a bit though!!

I REALLYT HOPE I DON'T HAVE TO CHOP HER TOO EARLY!

Buffalo Soldier

05-12-2010, 10:42 PM

:cool:
If your lady was rootbound the leaves would be twisting and yellowing from the edges in. Where are the brown spots located? You may be splashing a bit of your water onto leaves and the leaves are getting burned because of the beads of water on them or they could be getting nute burned from the splashed water. It could even be the plant aging. The leaves will brown and die as you get further into flower... Anyone else have suggestions?

TehNooblet:pimp:

....thanks for the reassurance nooble...:thumbsup:

I will post pics in a few days......from what I can see there has been a combination of minor mistakes, plant aging, higher humidity.....and inexperience...

the last big grow I did........1000W HPS......I had a moisture meter, the root ball was definitely kept too wet.......the plant is aging but with the moist roots and the added bloom nutes, I believe the ph dropped and I had some lock out.......

I let her dry out to where the leaves were limp and I gave 2l of filtered water, I do see new growth and the buds are swelling.........I guess I "mothered a bit too much"........the scrog isn't pretty, but I think i have resolved an issue or two........still waiting on the ph/moisture/light meter:mad:

chopped a bud at week 5 and cured it over the past week.........:S5:

......wrecked:thumbsup:........lookin forward to this finishing:)

th buds are def. drawing from the rest of the plant.........I still want to do a re-veg scrog........:D

Buffalo Soldier

05-13-2010, 05:24 PM

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I may have overreacted but I did leave the plant to dry and I added a teaspoon of lime to a 2l jug of filtered water...probably didn't get taken up by the roots till she dried out.......I probably have 3 weeks left....buds have begun to swell:D

I've done quite a bit of pruning also...

buffalo..

Buffalo Soldier

05-14-2010, 01:50 AM

ok I'll be honest I took a bud at 2.5 and 5 weeks. The first was a quick head rush. The bud at 5 weeks was cured for a week and I got pretty smashed. I also took one for 6 weeks, quick dried it using the foil, toaster method over an hour. It was too moist in the stem to burn so i threw it in a pipe..........

wrecked:wtf:.. it was a strong head high that couch locked me for about 20 minutes:stoned:...just so you know, my tolerance is up:D

if this is an indication of what she will be :stoned: then I will be a very happy scrogger!!:thumbsup:

I definitely improved on the bag seed:cool:

buffalo

Buffalo Soldier

05-18-2010, 10:43 PM

Guys I'm rippin a bud off each day...:stoned:Only 50% cloudy but packin a deep body warmth that is both soothing and relaxing......

I will continue on with the scrog into a reveg......

I JUST HAVE SO MANY TOPS!......I figured for my first successful scrog and what the plant has been through, I have been rewarded for my diligence.:cool:

just about 7 weeks.lots of brown dying leaves but plenty of new growth:D
...this will definitely go 8 weeks, maybe a week or two more? Things are starting to puff up....Hope I leave enough buds on the plant to experience the true abilities of the strain:D

buffalo:smokin:

bigtopsfinn

05-19-2010, 08:11 AM

Yeah looks good Buf! Don't worry I'm a big early picker myself. Not going to pay 12â?¬+ per gram when I have some in the closet!

Advantage of growing two plants: you don't feel as guilty when you take testers off just one of them :jointsmile:

Buffalo Soldier

05-23-2010, 05:24 PM

Hey Finn.......thanks for poppin in.nice to know there are other early pickers out there too:thumbsup:

So I'm at 7.5 weeks now and there are still quite a few tops that I haven't chopped for my own impatience...:chainsaw::D

Definitely a quality grow......the toaster drying, as mentioned earlier is annoying, so I guess it made me cut back a bit, which keeps my tolerance down...:)

now I know CFL's add some time to the grow, but I have a ton of bud under the screen too......which from the looks of things I probably won't need to touch till about week 9.........maybe there will be some more swelling....hope so... Looking through my pocket microscope, I se a loot of amber tinged triches......so I'm wondering if I have reached the end already........I still see many clear though.......the tops still show white hairs and new growth here and there.........

I have collected a bunch of cardboard and am designing a veg chamber...I won't veg very long next time around because the screen fills up quick when the lights get flipped (stretching)

finally got hold of a ph tester...shouldn't have any more moisture issues, it has the moisture meter also.......the filtered water I use has a ph just above 7... it's not digital so i have to go by the needle and hash marks.........so I can summize that I overwatered at different points during the grow and everything went acidic on me and locked out my nutes...........

live and learn.......gonna work my way through the rest of the tops and then lift off the screen.........I need a perpetual harvest:D

150 HPS.......my next purchase........no idea when though???

question.........should I always check run off...........?? I don't really water till I see run off.........I dump in the 2L of H2O.but I don't see any leak out.

peace fellas....

buffalo:rastasmoke:

Gmanbudzz

05-24-2010, 03:49 AM

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where did you purchase the 4 way fixture and how much?

finally got around to a pic........this is the light fixture........the pic only shows about 2.5' of the box

had to rip out the mylar for another project......will contiue to add backside of foil daily..it always worked great for me

temps run at 80F with about zero ventillation......will continue to improve..

my environment is easily controlled due to the box being in a garage, will have to come up with something when 12/12 rolls around, planning on adding another fixture for flowering with 4 2700 k 27w cfl's...i'll switch the others over too. If this goes well may pack her with clones and let it rip.......why bother scrogging if i flower at 3 or 4 nodes

first cardboard grow........lots to learn

any chance of mods dropping this in the log section.pm's are down.

pour in the input fellas......:D

hey smallgrow, great to have some company during my cardboard adventure......pass on the wisdom my friend

buffalo

Buffalo Soldier

05-24-2010, 04:16 PM

....the fixture is put together with Y splitters.........works great!!

just try to stay around 80% and no more than 90% for the max watts of the cord socket that you use...

I would say that the sq. footage of my cab is the max that should be used with this set - up, otherwise you wont reach the outer areas of the canopy.

good luck:thumbsup:

Buffalo Soldier

05-26-2010, 10:58 PM

moisture.......dry.....ph(soil)[email protected]/4
gave 1/4 strength nutes due to amount of new growth I have
ph nute solution....6.5
temps...87 mid day.........fan set high directly on plant, cab open , ceiling fan on high

I have tons of new growth that is coming in very thick.almost like a whole new round of budding, as dead leaves fall off from the ph screw up a while back i notice the plant is getting greener
.....tops are popping up everywhere:D
recover is def. present........not quite at 8 weeks, but it looks like I will have a number of weeks to go

the sites where i cut tops down for a tasty treat, I am now seeing new bud growth.........I'm just gonna let her go till she stops producing white hairs........most cuttings that i check at 30x's are clear....

the tops that were furthest out had some white trichs but, although chopped I still have plenty of bud under the screen that continues to swell

I should have pulled the tops under one more time before I stopped training

oh well, this is why it takes a few time to get it right with a particular strain

.......grow is currently at 4.5 months:wtf:

buffalo