Video by Jeff Weiss, school shooter.

[smokinindausa]

Before the school shooting in Red Lake MN, the school shooter Jeff Weiss made a video for negrounds. Here is a link for all who want to see it. If you are easily disturbed or just a wuss, dont watch!

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/195194

[smokinindausa]

BTW, if you dont know what i'm talikin about here is a link to the news story:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/21/school.shooting.town.ap/index.html

[naturalmystic]

big fucking deal. It's animated. I was expecting to see some real shit.

[Bloke]

I know, big deal. Some people will look at this and say, "Oh it's so obvious he was going to kill kill kill", but seriously, I drew shit much worse than this in junior high, and I'll bet dollars to donuts that most of you guys who weren't busy slapping each other's asses in the locker room had some pretty fucking violent imaginations too. But you didn't shoot anybody.
Want to know my theory? His parents noticed he was a little "funny", so they put him on Ritalin, Prozac, or any of these other man-made poisons that permanently alter your personality and brain, and suddenly the line between reality and fantasy blurred for him. Permanently fucking with a developing brain can't possibly be good. You won't hear shit about it though, because the man-made drug industry is huge; bigger than the video game industry, the music industry, or the film industry, all of which are blamed for these shootings. It's also much easier to blame violent media, because as Americans we love the ability to "fix" our children's "broken" minds with a little pill, rather than by doing any of that pesky "parenting", or by taking something like "personal responsibility", and we refuse to give this convenience up by admitting that it makes our kids fucking nuts.
Meanwhile, while the billionaires who produce deadly but convenient poisons for mass consumption ride around in their solid-gold yachts getting blown by brazilian supermodels, regular people are in jail for selling dried-plants. Ain't that something.

[smokinindausa]

Bloke, I agree with everything you said.


naturalmystic, you are a sick fuck.

[Funken Monken]

Yeah, and then just consider how the sick monkey would have managed to do it if guns were not so available in good old god save america!

[naturalmystic]

Bloke, I agree with everything you said.


naturalmystic, you are a sick fuck.





Why am I a sick fuck?

[naturalmystic]

You stated "if you are easily disturbed or just a wuss"

Now after watching the little 'cartoon' i'm wondering who would be disturbed by a cartoon, even with the contents it showed. Maybe the fact that the kid made the cartoon is disturbing, but when you made that statement, I automatically thought it was going to be real. You don't automatically think it's going to be a cartoon. So how can you fault me for expecting a real video instead of some cartoon.

'expecting' does not equal 'wanting'

[smokinindausa]

Actually Funken, he didn't need to go get a gun from a store. He stole his grandfather's gun, who was a cop, and then killed him. Then he went and shot up the school.

Sorry to be misleading natural, but it kinda disturbed me, considering thats the last thing he laft the world before he killed some people and himslef.

[amsterdam]

Yeah, and then just consider how the sick monkey would have managed to do it if guns were not so available in good old god save america!


i don't know why people are sooo afraid of gun's?they aren't the problem,people are the problem.

[Bloke]

i don't know why people are sooo afraid of gun's?

Perhaps people are afraid of guns because bullets come out of them at extremely high speeds? SURVEY SAYS...

BING!!!

[amsterdam]

so what??it's morons who make people scared of guns.i have 5 guns and never hurt a soul.then you have one dip shit all fucked up on zoloft who kills a bunch of people.that's the guns fault or the maker of the gun?no,it's the persons fault and their stupid parents for putting them on crazy drugs because some shrink who calls themself a "doctor"put them on it.2nd amendment.

[Bloke]

so what??it's morons who make people scared of guns.i have 5 guns and never hurt a soul.then you have one dip shit all fucked up on zoloft who kills a bunch of people.that's the guns fault or the maker of the gun?no,it's the persons fault and their stupid parents for putting them on crazy drugs because some shrink who calls themself a "doctor"put them on it.2nd amendment.

So the correct answer is: people are afraid of guns because lots of morons have guns? I guess I can't disagree with you there.

[amsterdam]

well done!you know exactlywhat i meant.you don't have a gun??where are you from??i can't wait to hear this.

[Bloke]

well done!you know exactlywhat i meant.you don't have a gun??where are you from??i can't wait to hear this.

Short Answer: No, I do not own one, but I believe in the right to bear arms (yes, even guns). However, I believe that irresponsible people do not deserve this right, and that this right can be revoked, and therefore that the second amendment should be modified to include such provisions.
And don't ask me to define "irresponsible people" in legal terms, because if I could, I would be Senator Bloke, but for the purpose of argument, I'd say that this definition would include those people which you've identified as morons. I'm curious if you think said morons should not have this right as well, which would in turn also make you agree that the second amendment is not set in stone. To which I would continue a line of questions probing into how flexible the laws indeed are. Hmm.

[smokinindausa]

Dude, even I who am under 21 and poor as hell, have a gun. A nice cheap pump shottie.
Everyone should own a gun as deterrent. And just to shoot, which is fun.

[Funken Monken]

Actually Funken, he didn't need to go get a gun from a store. He stole his grandfather's gun, who was a cop, and then killed him. Then he went and shot up the school.

Sorry to be misleading natural, but it kinda disturbed me, considering thats the last thing he laft the world before he killed some people and himslef.

Well duh, thanks for that......


I know he didn't get it from a store. My point was that there's such a gun obsession over there that if that culture didnt exist, you would get that. Even armed police here are not supposed to take their guns home. You know - its dangerous?

[Funken Monken]

i don't know why people are sooo afraid of gun's?they aren't the problem,people are the problem.


And in your countrt mate, thats precisle why I'm so concerned.....

But really, people or no people, take the guns aay, end of problem. And dont start spouting constitution at me - you dont see us hanging people any more just becuase it mentions it in the magna carta.

[Bloke]

Dude, even I who am under 21 and poor as hell, have a gun. A nice cheap pump shottie.
Everyone should own a gun as deterrent. And just to shoot, which is fun.

We're from different cultures, I suppose. I've never heard anyone say "Dude, you don't have a GUN?! I've had a gun since..." around here. People have guns, sure, but it isn't like the telephone, where people are shocked if you don't have one.

[amsterdam]

Well duh, thanks for that......


I know he didn't get it from a store. My point was that there's such a gun obsession over there that if that culture didnt exist, you would get that. Even armed police here are not supposed to take their guns home. You know - its dangerous?


sounds like you have seen and believed Bowling for Columbine? :confused:

[Funken Monken]

Saw some of it and was not convinced to be hoenst.

Before you call be a whiny liberal (*joke dude!*), there were a lot of salient points in that film, but I take Mr Moorese stuff with a pinch of salt, and I can do without his attempted-tear-jerking. My main reason for posting that comment is that here in the UK, gun crime compared to the US is way down, and guess what, guns are not common place.
That and it just seems pretty darn obvious to me - dont have guns around, people dont get needlessly killed. Ipso facto.

[amsterdam]

i agree,none of my family in England have guns,my aunt had a heart attack when she heard my mother had bought a derringer 22.but still,it's our right and always will be.i don't disagree that there needs to be tighter laws

[Funken Monken]

But what relevnace has a 200+ year old document written during the time of a civil war have on todays modern America?

Right to bear arms? In this day and age?

Your relatives in the UK wont have guns for one very good reason (other than thei obvious intelligence) : they're illeagal without appropriate permissions etc etc


I've been most of the way over America, met a lot of people, and currently I work with people from all over the place. The people I met when I ws travelling (especially when I was in Utah actually, and some guy that was working the station in Key Largo) were the reasons why guns should be scrapped. You know, extra finger, always drooling a bit.....

[amsterdam]

are you a rascist?people in England are smarter than the rest of the world?that two hundred year old document is one of the reasons we are the most powerful nations on the face of the earth.not to mention the best.why do you think so many people risk their lives to come here.

[Bloke]

Hey you guuuuys!


But what relevnace has a 200+ year old document written during the time of a civil war have on todays modern America?
I know, seriously. Freedom of Speech?! Freedom from Illegal Search and Seizure?! The Abolition of Slavery?!!?!?!? What the fuck do we still need these for?!?!?!


i don't disagree that there needs to be tighter laws...
And since the second amendment states that CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW preventing a citizen from bearing arms, then I guess you really DON'T believe in the second amendment the way it stands.

The correct answer: break a gun law = mandatory life sentence, no parole. I currently see no problem with this.

[smokinindausa]

that two hundred year old document is one of the reasons we are the most powerful nations on the face of the earth.

Ahmen to that.


The correct answer: break a gun law = mandatory life sentence, no parole. I currently see no problem with this.

So you're basically guaranteeing that when the cops come to arrest someone for having a gun, there is going to be a gunfight. I know I would be willing to shoot my out rather than be falsely imprisoned for life. That law might even make me invest in a few hand grenades... I say that if there was an armed person in places like schools, banks, hospitals, etc.. there would less stuff like this school shooting. Other than that stuff, almost all gun violence in the US is commited in the inner-city ghettos.

[amsterdam]

Hey you guuuuys!


I know, seriously. Freedom of Speech?! Freedom from Illegal Search and Seizure?! The Abolition of Slavery?!!?!?!? What the fuck do we still need these for?!?!?!


And since the second amendment states that CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW preventing a citizen from bearing arms, then I guess you really DON'T believe in the second amendment the way it stands.

The correct answer: break a gun law = mandatory life sentence, no parole. I currently see no problem with this.



mandatory life sentence????get real!!for a weapon??child molestation yes,a gun never.

[Bloke]

So you're basically guaranteeing that when the cops come to arrest someone for having a gun, there is going to be a gunfight. I know I would be willing to shoot my out rather than be falsely imprisoned for life. That law might even make me invest in a few hand grenades... I say that if there was an armed person in places like schools, banks, hospitals, etc.. there would less stuff like this school shooting. Other than that stuff, almost all gun violence in the US is commited in the inner-city ghettos.

I was sort of being exaggerating to advance my point, but I assume you own your gun legally. And gun owners are always harping on about how crimes with guns aren't commited by people who LEGALLY own them, they're mostly done with stolen or unregistered guns. So, if one is caught with a stolen and/or unregistered gun, how much time do they do under current law? Do they even go to jail in all cases? Should they? Aren't these the people giving legal gun owners such as yourself a bad name? The admittedly trite saying goes "if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns"... but if outlaws with guns are imprisoned, then wouldn't only fine upstanding flag-waving americans have guns and the problem is solved? Discuss.

[BUZz UK]

I'll bet dollars to donuts that most of you guys who weren't busy slapping each other's asses in the locker room had some pretty fucking violent imaginations too.

lol, i didn't. i'm a pussy pacifist liberal, lol

[Funken Monken]

are you a rascist?people in England are smarter than the rest of the world?that two hundred year old document is one of the reasons we are the most powerful nations on the face of the earth.not to mention the best.why do you think so many people risk their lives to come here.

Jesus, learn to read will you.

[amsterdam]

ok??how was thaat off??

[llamaman666]

the scary part about it is he meaned it
people can make this up easily, but when they do is it because this is what they want? Most likely not.........
And did you hear he visited Natzi sights to fuel his hatred?
very nice

[Button Basher]

I read his dad killed himself and his mum got sent away to a mental home or something, plus on top of that he was bullied hardcore at school and had no friends. Then he made this cartoon.

Doesn't take a brain scientist to see it coming.

Oh yer, and I agree 100% with monken.

[amsterdam]

a real sob story about the poor picked on kid.who wasn't??my dad was killed when i was a kid.my step father was a crazy abusive ass?i bturned out fine.excuses,excuses.at least he killed himself and spared us having to watch his trial played out on national t.v.!

[Button Basher]

If I was in his situation, i'd imagine i'd do the same. Apparently he targeted specific students and teachers at the school as opposed to going on an all out shooting spree. I guess when you bully a down and out, nazi supporting nutcase, you pay the price.

Luckily I can't walk upstairs and take two handguns and a shotgun out of my parents drawer so no worries.

[amsterdam]

you would do the same??what a coward.

[Button Basher]

Don't take my word for it (much as you'd love to). I just have a subtle sympathy for the kid. Everyone has problems, and he obviously had some pretty fucking big problems. We can't all tell ourselves "it'll be alright" when it's pretty clear it's not. Some turn out good, some don't. I'll bet your grateful you did.

And don't bother replying if you can't resist being a prick.

[amsterdam]

o.k.