Heart attack survivor wants related cannabis info.

[psychocat]

On Christmas eve I suffered a 98% oclussion of the left ventricle and was rushed into hospital for emergency cardiac surgery, today is my first day at home and as you probably can imagine I now have many questions regarding any further use of cannabis.
I would like to ask for any links that you may know of dealing with this particular subject.
Thanks to all who can help me in my quest for knowledge . :thumbsup:

[boaz]

sorry to hear but glad your back safely now. :) sorry don't know any info to pass along, might check out granny's web page. i do know weed can make your heart race sometimes, i'd be cautious if i were you. welcome back!

[psychocat]

Thanks man, it shook me up a bit and I know I will have to make some lifestyle changes.
I intend to stop smoking the herb but I would like to continue partaking by way of edibles. :D:cool:

I was very nearly an ex-Psychocat. :wtf: ;)

[sarah louise]

98%, fookin hell you nearly were an ex-Psychocat indeed, what a way to get out of xmas with the family.

All the best for getting into a more 'heart friendly' lifestyle. I've found it difficult, but I try and remind myself that the alternative is dying and I'm really not ready for that yet.

I still smoke some weed, but gave up the baccy completely and cut down the green substantially, still looking for a better method of ingestion. I'd love a vape but I can't afford one, I'm looking at going to something like Weedhound's canna capsules. The main problem with edibles is the fats used, neither butter or coconut oil is allowed in a low cholesterol diet.

[Storm Crow]

Marijuana Chemical Fights Hardened Arteries
Marijuana Chemical Fights Hardened Arteries (http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/news/20050406/marijuana-chemical-fights-hardened-arteries)

The endogenous cardiac cannabinoid system: a new protective mechanism
The endogenous cardiac cannabinoid system: a new p... [Arch Mal Coeur Vaiss. 2006] - PubMed result (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16618028)

Cardiovascular pharmacology of cannabinoids.
http://www.biowizard.com/story.php?pmid=16596789

Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol protects cardiac cells from hypoxia
IngentaConnect Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol protects cardiac cells from hypoxia ... (http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/klu/mcbi/2006/00000283/F0020001/00002346)

Does Cannabis Hold the Key to Treating Cardiometabolic Disease? (may need free registration)
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/525040_print

Cannabinoid Offers Cardioprotection
Cannabinoid Offers Cardioprotection, Study Says - NORML (http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=6818&wtm_format=print)

Heavy Cannabis Use Not Independently Associated With Cardiovascular Risks
Heavy Cannabis Use Not Independently Associated With Cardiovascular Risks - NORML (http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=6972)

Marijuana use, diet, body mass index, and cardiovascular risk factors (may need free registration)
Marijuana use, diet, body mass index, and cardiovascular risk factors (from the CARDIA study). (http://www.medscape.com/medline/abstract/16893701)

Cannabinoids and cardiovascular disease
Unbound MEDLINE | Cannabinoids and cardiovascular disease: the outlook for clinical treatments. Journal article abstract (http://www.unboundmedicine.com/medline/ebm/record/17627561/abstract/Cannabinoids_and_cardiovascular_disease:_the_outlo ok_for_clinical_treatments)

Cannabinoids as therapeutic agents in cardiovascular disease
Unbound MEDLINE | Cannabinoids as therapeutic agents in cardiovascular disease: a tale of passions and illusions. Journal article abstract (http://www.unboundmedicine.com/medline/ebm/record/17450170/abstract/Cannabinoids_as_therapeutic_agents_in_cardiovascul ar_disease:_a_tale_of_passions_and_illusions)

The in vitro and in vivo cardiovascular effects of {Delta}9-tetrahydrocannabinol
Unbound MEDLINE | The in vitro and in vivo cardiovascular effects of {Delta}9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) in rats made hypertensive by chronic inhibition of nitric oxide synthase. Journal article abstract (http://www.unboundmedicine.com/medline/ebm/record/17284670/abstract/The_in_vitro_and_in_vivo_cardiovascular_effects_of _%7BDelta%7D9_tetrahydrocannabinol__THC__in_rats_m ade_hypertensive_by_chronic_inhibition_of_nitric_o xide_synthase)

Cannabinoids prevented the development of heart failure in animal study
International Association for Cannabis as Medicine (http://www.cannabis-med.org/english/bulletin/ww_en_db_cannabis_artikel.php?id=145#2)

Cannabis use not associated with risk factors for diseases of heart and circulation
International Association for Cannabis as Medicine (http://www.cannabis-med.org/english/bulletin/ww_en_db_cannabis_artikel.php?id=225#2)

THC protects heart cells in the case of lowered oxygen supply
International Association for Cannabis as Medicine (http://www.cannabis-med.org/english/bulletin/ww_en_db_cannabis_artikel.php?id=212#1)

Medical marijuana: study shows that THC slows atherosclerosis
The Next Hurrah: Medical marijuana: study shows that THC slows atherosclerosis (http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2005/04/medical_marijua.html)

Cardiovascular Effects of Cannabis
Cardiovascular Effects of Cannabis (http://www.idmu.co.uk/canncardio.htm)

Changes in middle cerebral artery velocity after marijuana
Changes in middle cerebral artery velocity after m... [Biol Psychiatry. 1992] - PubMed result (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=retrieve&db=pubmed&list_uids=1420630&dopt=Abstract)

Cannabidiol protects against myocardial ischemic reperfusion injury.
Cannabidiol, a nonpsychoactive Cannabis constituent, protects against myocardial ischemic reperfusion injury. (http://marijuana.researchtoday.net/archive/4/12/1404.htm)

Function of cannabinoids in heart failure
Unbound MEDLINE | [Function of cannabinoids in heart failure] Journal article abstract (http://www.unboundmedicine.com/medline/ebm/record/18464680/abstract/%5BFunction_of_cannabinoids_in_heart_failure%5D)

Cannabinoids as therapeutic agents in cardiovascular disease: a tale of passions and illusions
Cannabinoids as therapeutic agents in cardiovascular disease: a tale of passions and illusions (http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=2013961&tool=pmcentrez)

Cannabinoids and atherosclerosis.
Cannabinoids and atherosclerosis. [Prague Med Rep. 2009] - PubMed result (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19591373?itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed _ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum&ordinalpos=13)

And you know those heart health Omega 3s? You can find them in hemp seed oil!

Hemp seed oil: A source of valuable essential fatty acids
Hemp seed oil: A source of valuable essential fatty acids (http://www.hempfood.com/IHA/iha03101.html)

There's more in the "Nutrition" section of my list.

Nothing like something good to read on a cold winter's night! :thumbsup:

Granny :hippy:

[psychocat]

Whoa Storm ! thats a shedload of reading . :D :cool:
Thank you very much :thumbsup:

[boaz]

I've said it before and I'm sure I'll say it again, Granny Storm Crow, you are an angel. :cool: my dad has had 3 heart attacks already so I know its coming for me too, time to get healthy. hey maybe a new years resolution. :jointsmile:

[LOC NAR on probation]

Since my attack 7 years ago I have stopped all meds the doctors were giving me to make me sick and worse. I have been thrown out of the heart doctors office and need to find another. This doctor refusses to look after me because I won't take all the poisons he passes out. It's a shame because I smoked cigs for over 20 years. Boold pressure, cholesteral and all are that of young person.

Be carefull about the MMJ and heart problems. At first I could feel it constrict my blood vessels but then I found a strain or 2 that made me feel much better. Be carefull on the dose too, just a little too much and well you know.

The way I see it is, I was going to die anyway. So I quit cigs for good and went to MMJ no other meds. Their meds make me sick as hell and keep me going back to the doctor feeling like I was going to die soon. My meds make me feel good and I want to get out and do something or find something to munch on. LOL.

Let me just say that some people need the meds from doctors. Only you can decide for yourself. Find a doctor that will work with you on your meds or to reduce them to minimal.

[Dutch Pimp]

anything that don't kill you, only makes you stronger...:thumbsup:

[TheChameleon]

I had a stroke Dec 4 and been researching cannabis. Storm, your post is a golden nugget in my journey, thank you.

Psychocat like mentioned dont let the pill pushers control your life, I wont.

[Storm Crow]

Not quite as many, but still good. And there are a lot more interesting articles in my "Granny Storm Crow's list". It's linked below in my sig. Cannabis is truly amazing stuff!

Cannabidiol has a cerebroprotective action
Unbound MEDLINE | Delayed treatment with cannabidiol has a cerebroprotective action via a cannabinoid receptor-independent myeloperoxidase-inhibiting mechanism. Journal article abstract (http://www.unboundmedicine.com/medline/ebm/record/17437545/abstract/Delayed_treatment_with_cannabidiol_has_a_cerebropr otective_action_via_a_cannabinoid_receptor_indepen dent_myeloperoxidase_inhibiting_mechanism)

Delta(9)-THC) prevents cerebral infarction
Unbound MEDLINE | Delta(9)-tetrahydrocannabinol (Delta(9)-THC) prevents cerebral infarction via hypothalamic-independent hypothermia. Journal article abstract (http://www.unboundmedicine.com/medline/ebm/record/17289082/abstract/Delta_9__tetrahydrocannabinol__Delta_9__THC__preve nts_cerebral_infarction_via_hypothalamic_independe nt_hypothermia)

Medical marijuana: study shows that THC slows atherosclerosis
The Next Hurrah: Medical marijuana: study shows that THC slows atherosclerosis (http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2005/04/medical_marijua.html)

US Patent 6630507 - Cannabinoids as antioxidants and neuroprotectants
Cannabinoids as antioxidants and neuroprotectants - US Patent 6630507 Abstract (http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6630507.html)

Dope hope for stroke victims
BBC News | Sci/Tech | Dope hope for stroke victims (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/126181.stm)

Granny :hippy:

[psychocat]

Well I am still digesting the information from the posts.
Its 6 months since my MI and during my check up I was informed that I have "significant arterial blockage" which is called peripheral arterial disease.
Because of the restricted blood supply I have been warned that I must face up to the very real possibility of amputation of my legs.
I guess I'm paying the price of all those years of excess.

One things for sure , if I'm going down then I'm going down fighting.

[Goober328]

Glad to hear things are going well. MJ can really jack with your heart rythms. Has gave myself and a fair number of other old hippy chums Atrial Fib. Which is something I doubt you want on top of your other troubles that is unless you already have it. Shouldn't hurt anything if that be the case :stoned:

Goob

[LOC NAR on probation]

Well I am still digesting the information from the posts.
Its 6 months since my MI and during my check up I was informed that I have "significant arterial blockage" which is called peripheral arterial disease.
Because of the restricted blood supply I have been warned that I must face up to the very real possibility of amputation of my legs.
I guess I'm paying the price of all those years of excess.

One things for sure , if I'm going down then I'm going down fighting.

You need to look into ( Chea-lation ) I may not have spelled that right but it's close. You can search online for a doctor near you that beleaves in this kind of therapy to clean your viens out without killing you and without life threatening surgery. Only real side effect is maybe wieght loss because everything has a metal kind of taste so food is just not as good but it wears off.
Therapy is an IV bag at the doctors office once a weeks. It was first used in world war 2 to clean the led out of the peoples blood that worked in the amunitions. Led poisoning is very bad. Then they found that it slowly cleans out th whloe vascular system. This is a very well kept secret around heart doctors. Mine said it would kill me while he was looking at the book about it. Last time I saw him. Any way it may take many weeks to start to see the good but you didn't get this way over night either. Best part is only about 150 at the doctors and some insurance are paying for it now. Have you seen the price for a stenth or bypass surgery is ? Just two stenths has finally put me into bankrupt.

Rambling, So check it out you got nothing to lose.

[psychocat]

Thanks for that man, any info is welcome as the pain is unbelievable and I am looking into all the possibilities. :thumbsup:

[TheChameleon]

Thanks for that man, any info is welcome as the pain is unbelievable and I am looking into all the possibilities. :thumbsup:

Diet!!! I lost 60 pounds since Dec and I still eat a lot,,, just the right things red meat OUT!!! the only white that good for you are veggies and ex virgin olive oil is golden!!! have it everyday!!!

I have a dead wall in my heart due to a botched stent and when I smoke good herb I feel the pain in that wall,,, good high in thc smoke...

[psychocat]

Diet!!! I lost 60 pounds since Dec and I still eat a lot,,, just the right things red meat OUT!!! the only white that good for you are veggies and ex virgin olive oil is golden!!! have it everyday!!!

I have a dead wall in my heart due to a botched stent and when I smoke good herb I feel the pain in that wall,,, good high in thc smoke...

I have always had the sense to eat healthy to try to counteract my lifes excesses , at the moment I am actually underweight.

I was told to up my oily fish intake and reduce my cholesterol by cutting down on eggs and butter.

[WashougalWonder]

I finally have to speak up here. I am a former EMT Paramedic, wife is an RN, so we are medically oriented.

I had a threatened MI this last January. It was not a full blown MI because I knew all the signs and was able to chill until they got a stent in. I had a 99% blockage in the artery that feeds the entire left side of my heart. No permanent damage. Lucky me.

Not quite. I have high cholesterol. I cannot take any of the medications that fight that without so much pain I would rather be dead. My choice not to take anything. Therefore I expect to have another stent in the future, possibly have this one plug. Depends on what I can do about the cholesterol.

During the 'event' I continued to use cannabis for pain control, smoking a little, taking pills some too, which don't work as well.

You may want to consider discussing this stuff with a nutritionist. There is not anything that 'cleans' your vessels except time, diet, and exercise. The most difficult part for me is eating the fruit.

I swear the doctors are killing me with all the damn drugs. I found a GP who is mellow and willing to move more slowly and experiment on which drugs I REALLY need to be taking. That has helped a lot.

Exercise is difficult in the Pacific Northwest for 7 months of the year. Wii Fit is pretty good for us older folks, I like it a lot. Helps with some of my pains too by keeping my range of motion, which I also try to get out once a week and play 9 holes - walking.

Take medical advice given in forums with great caution. You learned the signs before your stent. Listen to them (your body) to prevent further damage to your heart.

Getting old sucks the big wienie....and then some

[TheChameleon]

I have always had the sense to eat healthy to try to counteract my lifes excesses , at the moment I am actually underweight.

I was told to up my oily fish intake and reduce my cholesterol by cutting down on eggs and butter.

Cutting down means cutting out,,, they are poison to people like us!!!

I haven't had an egg or butter since Dec,,, I have 4 pounds of butter in the fridge from a sale in Dec, I used to put a half a stick on a baked potato,,,Now I don't even eat potato's...


7 pills in Dec is now 1/2 a pill for BP and vitamin e daily and it's all because of diet,,, the doctors think it's the pills because to keep the doctors I lie and tell them I take the pills... My last lab work shows all normal levels from all elavated levels Cholesterol,Blood sugar, and BP in Dec and the doctors did not even try to reduce amounts of the meds I'm taking,,, they are pushers first!!!

It's not really rocket science that what we eat is who we are...
point is 6 months later I am tooting my horn,,, I hope you will as well!!!

[WashougalWonder]

Essentially same here. Less is better. Yep, have the excess butter in the freezer

[Goober328]

Great advice. I'm a badly backslidden raw vegan myself. Back when I was about half dedicated to the proposition dropped 40 pounds in a matter of a few months was never hungry and had all sorts of energy. It also cures cancer.

Goob


Cutting down means cutting out,,, they are poison to people like us!!!

I haven't had an egg or butter since Dec,,, I have 4 pounds of butter in the fridge from a sale in Dec, I used to put a half a stick on a baked potato,,,Now I don't even eat potato's...


7 pills in Dec is now 1/2 a pill for BP and vitamin e daily and it's all because of diet,,, the doctors think it's the pills because to keep the doctors I lie and tell them I take the pills... My last lab work shows all normal levels from all elavated levels Cholesterol,Blood sugar, and BP in Dec and the doctors did not even try to reduce amounts of the meds I'm taking,,, they are pushers first!!!

It's not really rocket science that what we eat is who we are...
point is 6 months later I am tooting my horn,,, I hope you will as well!!!

[TheChameleon]

Great advice. I'm a badly backslidden raw vegan myself. Back when I was about half dedicated to the proposition dropped 40 pounds in a matter of a few months was never hungry and had all sorts of energy. It also cures cancer.

Goob

Raw is a little hard core for me but I will entertain it from time to time...

Just wanted to mention that I agree,,, cancer is caused by bad diet...