"Kinda wild" Trial grow

[Vancefish]

Hello all,

I decided to pop a few seeds a friend grew in the yard. The original seeds were "high end" however with no males around I have no clue what fertilized the female. Thus I'm calling it "kinda wild". There are a lot of legal grows about 10-15 miles up wind from my friends yard. So it may have been something decent. But who knows?

I have just become a legal user and thus have been reading all I can about growing. However having never actually grown a full plant. I figured I'll need a little hands on before I buy some clones. So, I have not decided on a stain yet (still trying the various wares at the dispensaries).:thumbsup:

These are simply to try some LST, Test how often I need to water, and just basically mess with something.

I "popped" the seeds in a bowl. Then just dropped them on some organic potting soil I had laying around from a local greenhouse. I misted them with filtered water a few days until they got going. This was all under a single 23w CFL and a 15w floresent. Yesterday I bought 2 48" shop lights, with 4 plant/aquarium bulbs and built a "canopy" fixture for this, and all my future babies.

I added a couple somewhat lousy pics (cell phone). My only question would be,.. What is the advantage of underpotting? Is becoming root bound helpful in some way? I potted in roughly 3 gal pots I had laying around, But could still easily repot into smaller pots if need be.

I'm only watering with staight filtered water. PH might be a little high but I'm not sure(my salt aquarium test is 7.5-8.9 ish) Intended for reef systems. I think my PH is just under 6.8 from the tap, because I always raise it for the tank.

Pic1: Light fixture. Closest is the first seed to "pop".

Pic2: Second seed to "pop". Fell over yesterday and stood up with fresh water. "Popped" one week ago tomorrow.)

Pic3: First seed to "pop" (fell over this morning, popped back up after some water. Second leaf set is starting to be seen. Popped 1 week ago today.)

The seedling in the middle took three more days to pop then the other two. It has no pic of it's own because there's not much to see. However it seems to be growing much slower then the other two. I've barely seen any expansion of the first set of leaves over the last two days.:wtf:

Also the dark back ground is actually a huge window. It's currently blocked by a wool army blanket to block the direct sun light. However with no views in that window, I could have direct sun light (through glass) after they get a little bigger.

[MonkeyBone]

Maybe the plant was hermi!!

Anyway, starting them in a big pot don't cause any problems, imagine in nature, it's a pretty large pot!!

It will only be a bit longer for it to grow great foliage soon, cause it will establish roots first, and there is a lot of room.

If you wanna grow with fluos, I recommand you T5 or cfls, 42 or 26 watts, they are the most efficient.

Ph is not that important, tap water, let it sit for 24h, then water your plant. For fertilizers, begin around 1st month of growth, and start with 1/8th the recommanded amount. Then build your way up slowly. Less is better!

For LST, there are a lot of threads here, do a little search!! Basically, it's just bending branches to allow better lighting for the lower ones...

Take look at my grow log for infos, or ideas!

:thumbsup:

[Vancefish]

Thanks Monkeybone,

I don't plan to grow under just floresent, it's just intended to be used to for starters and future clones. I plan to buy a couple switchable ballasts and convert a 6'x10' room. However that is the future:thumbsup:.

I've read a few posts about LST. These plants purpose is simply to try a few of these technics out before I spend money on an intentional clone grow. I plan to try LST on one, while doing some bonsi mom stuff to one of the others.

Once I get my lighting and ventilation bought. I'll buy a crop worth of clones and get a real grow going. I also plan to build the cloner I read about here for future grows. If all goes well with these seedlings I may go buy a single clone to grow into a crop worth of "self rooted" clones once I'm ready for them.

Thanks for the potting info too. I thought this was likely the case, but wasn't to sure. I may repot them today while the soil is still pretty loose, just to increase root binding. I can move them back to the huge pots later.:thumbsup:

[mainegrown]

the work gradually up seems to mean every time you water and feed the gurls then you need to up the dose just a little bit. i kinda got caught with my pants around my ankles by not upping the dosing correctly.
and they will be fine in a 3 gal pot. you might have to transplant to a 5 gal bucket before they are done but no big deal right??
have a merry christmas..
-J

[Vancefish]

three days later.

I repotted them into smaller pots three days ago. This didn't effect two of the three, plant 2 however is mildly twisting it's leaves. I'm thinking it's likely due to the overwater during re-potting. I have given no nutes yet, as we are still inside 2 weeks. I am thinking it will be needed soon though.

They look great today(other then that minor twisting on 2). So, I removed the window blocking blanket to expose them to some sun today (threw 2 panes of glass BTW).

I don't plan to water again until the soil drys out almost all the way. I also plan to add a couple/few CFL's to my hood today. I might also improve on my hoods construction with some sheet metal. We'll see.

Pics 1 and 2 are Plant1 (first to pop)
Pic 3 is Plant2 (with minor twist)
Pic 4 is plant3 (last to pop)
Pic 5 is all 3 plants

[Vancefish]

Last pic I took.

I think they were all stressed a bit during re-potting BTW. I noticed the growth slowed a little on all three, Just to throw it out there.:thumbsup:

[Vancefish]

Today I finally added the CFLs to my home made hood. Decided I should document it. :thumbsup:

I just bought ceramic sockets and a 15' wire. I riveted the sockets to the stainless reflector I robbed from the aquarium, Then wired the three in series and soldered it together. My total wattage is now 160w in tubes and 81w in CFLs, adding up to 241w. I noticed the tubes had a lot of red. So I bought 5000k 100w(equiv) CFLs to bring up the blue. They didn't have any 5500k or 6500k. My total lumins is 6400 from the tubes and 5250 from the CFLs, for a grand total of 11650 lumins.

I suspect they've recovered from my overwatering re-potting. They each have a set of three finger leaves expanding and a new set forming. None have grown taller but they are growing leaves much faster now. :thumbsup:

Pic1: The hood with the CFLs off (Phone can barely handle it).
Pic2: Plant one with newly expanding 3 finger leaf set.
Pic 3 All three plants under all the lights.

[mainegrown]

i like your hood.. if you bought it somewhere you should tell me where i can get one. i thin that i want to go up to 6 bulbs and i need a good way to keep all of the light on the babes..
hope it was cheap enough i can afford one..lol

-J

[Shovelhandle]

Good luck with the seedlings.

Shov

[Vancefish]

Thanks for the comments guys. They are LOVING the new lumins today!:thumbsup: They're growin like weeds!:jumphappy:

The florescent fixtures are the $10 ones at HomeDepot with 4 of the $10 aquarium/plant(2700k/1600L ea) bulbs. Totalling $60.

The reflector itself came from a local hardware store and cost me $6. But that was about 5 years ago. It's just a polished stainless sheet, bent to reflect. I'd guess they are still available somewhere. :D

The CFLs were a little more complex. I bought 3 ceramic sockets rated to handle up to 660w at 240v. they cost $3.97 each. Then the 15' power cord for lamps cost $5.98. I already had the rivets, rivet gun and soldering iron. the CFLs were on sale at $4.97 for two bulbs.

Total cost for the entire fixture adds up to $90.??.:thumbsup:

pic1 and 2: a look at where the reflector is jammed into the florescent fixure's seam, also can see riveted CFL socket.

pic 3 is how I used coat hangers to force the lamps to angle off the hanging chains. The cross piece of hanger is causing the to fixtures to hang evenly to each other.

It's basically all held together by gravity. :thumbsup:

[mainegrown]

sounds like a fun project to me..
i find the doing is half of the fun with this hobby..
-J

[Vancefish]

Today is two weeks. Technically plants one and two are a couple days older, but close enough.

I have tons of new growth. Plant one now has three finger leaves on the two forming branches and the next set of branches has leaves starting to unwrap.

Plant two is just about one day behind plant one with the same branch leaves. Just a tad behind though. This ones twisting original leaves have staightened out to normal. However you can see one of the newer leaves has a little twist.

Plant three is catching up to the other two very quickly.

I'm going to start nutes sometime this week.

Pics 1 and 2 are plant one from top and side.
Pics 3 and 4 are plant two (with twisted leaf)

I'll post again with plant 3 and the row

[Vancefish]

ok first two pics are plant 3

Last is the row

Staring to get excited! :thumbsup:

[Vancefish]

I also wanted to mention that I've noticed differences between the three.

Plant one has leaves that are bulgy in the middle then kinda smooth out to the point (less jagged). When you look down at them.

Plant two has thicker leaves when you look staight down at them, and the edges are very Jagged).

Plant three has shorter stockier leaves then either of the other two. Short stocky and Jagged. I also have noticed that plant three's leaves always look a little dusty compaired to the other two.

All this from the same bud too!

[MonkeyBone]

They are really stretched! But they look healthy, that's what counts most!

:thumbsup:

[Vancefish]

I guess I don't understand stretch then.:wtf:

I measured the height of the plants last week and the first set of leaves are the exact same height as last week. The only change in height is the new growth out the top. All this new growth is Jammed together at less then 1/4 inch between nodes. In the side pic of plant 3 you can still see the "seed yoke" stuck to the side of the stem(hasn't fallen off). This too is exactly the same height from the soil it was five days ago.

Were these stretched already a few days ago, before the new CFLs? If stretch isn't a plant growing tall to get light (which these arn't). Then what is it? Are we talking the leaves kinda pointing up instead of hanging?

Now I'm all confused. The stems are not growing(although they look thicker to me today). The original seed leaves (Round) are my original measuring point and they are still the same height from the soil as last week.

Which leaves 1/4 inch between nodes is "really" stretching?

Dang-et!:(

This enquiring mind wants to know (Before spending money on good clones)! After all this grow is just to test the waters and see what I might do wrong. :thumbsup:

[mainegrown]

i think that you are right vance.. they are not stretching... they DID stretch already.. that is why they have a couple inches above the soil for the first set of leaves.. and a 1/4 inch is stretch but i think that it is in the OK margin.. i allow/encourage a bit of stretch before the first set so that when i transplant i have some room to work with.. ya know?
unless you are pumping some serious lumens onto the babies then they will stretch a bit between nodes and that is ok unless you have a 1000w MH on em then something is VERY wrong.
have fun and if i am wrong someone will step in but i am fairly sure im right...
-J

[Vancefish]

Cool, thanks Mainegrown.

I thought they may have been a little tall last week when I added the 3 CFLs. However since then they have gotten not only the CFLs, but direct sun light every day as well. I've been watching the growth (checked about every 30 min :D) and thought I was seeing almost no stretch. I've seen pics of some tall lanky girls out there, some with a foot+ between nodes. I plan to have these under a stronger light source ASAP. Just don't have the $$ this week.

I may put these into flower after another week or so as well. I'm thinking of buying some clones soon. These could all be males, so not sure yet. My reading seams to be up to par(pun intended):thumbsup: So, who knows. Still need to try some LST and might just chop a top off to see how a healing works out on this plant for myself.

Thanks again.

[mainegrown]

give em a try if these is your 'test crop'.. see what LST topping and all that is about..
i would let em go until you see pre-flowers. then you would know wether er not it is worth flowering them.. i kinda got really lucky and i was SO outta smoke that i just threw mine into flower WAY early.. i think that if i had waited until they were around a month older they would have been so much better looking now.. and they can only be forced into flowering just so much earlier then they want to..
you can only force nature if you are willing to accept the consequences.. like small/low yield plants
play with ur gurls for a while in veg.. let em grow and bush out. top one, bend one and let the other just go au natural..
just my :twocents: take it or leave it, but its free all the same
:greenthumb: good luck bro
-MG

[redtails]

Looking good Vance! I agree, test 2 method on each plant, but make sure to put spacers under the topped and especially the LST plants because you want to still keep the canopy at the same height. That's the pain I'm working with now. I have my first to flower all LST'd up and in a 3ish gal pot & the other two flowering naturally in 1 gal's but they're getting taller already even though the smaller pots are like 6" shorter...Oh, I also dig your light setup, looks pretty pro for just a cheap DIY project!

[Vancefish]

Thanks all,

I agree on the whole get to know them idea. :thumbsup:

I also agree redtails, There will be good info from trying all three methods, and I am somewhat troubled by the differences in height I'll see once I do it. I can easily deal with the light being unlevel to a point. But at some point they will be Short, Medium, and Very Tall.

I am just using a piece of string tied to a hook on the cealing. I tied a slip knot in the other end after running it through the chain that came with the flouresent light fixtures. This way I can adjust the height of the light on both or either end.

I've also been running 40 on and 8 off. Just turn the lights off every other night before bed. They love the direct sun light too. I didn't realize this plant was so phototropic. On my days off work I turn them as the sun moves to "try" to keep them straight. But on my days at work. I come home to the tops pointing at the window for a few hours. :D

Pretty cool :thumbsup:

[Vancefish]

Howdy all,

Day before yesterday I started bending my first plant (plant 1). I just used some soft string I had, tied a loop knot and used a measuring tape to hold tension. I should have started this first bend earlier I think, because the main stem was already quite stiff. All three have a layer which has cracked and tanned a bit on the stem like bark(I assume normal then).:)

So I'm going to post three times in a row here to show each plant. :thumbsup:

Here is plant 1

[Vancefish]

Plant 2

This one I topped just after the third node about 26 hours before this posting. I expected a slow in growth! However the leaves on that third node grew HUGE overnight and through today. Thus the measuring tape shots. :thumbsup:

P.S. I added the best shot I could get of the cut itself using my phone. I was surprised the cut sapped a tad, then tightened up and dried so fast. All the remaining leaves seem to continue to grow as well.

[Vancefish]

Plant 3

This little one is the youngest and shortest. thus he/she's going Oh natural. I expect this plant to be the tallest, thus I started with the shortest!

This one also showed some droop yesterday, I watered because it was very dry. Also felt the weight of each pot when dry BTW. :thumbsup:

[mainegrown]

not that im an expert but i think that you should be looking into finding some bigger pots.. kinda soon
i have had a consistent problem with getting root-bound and that seems to slow/stop growth.. something to think and toke on bro
~MG

[MonkeyBone]

Plant 3

This little one is the youngest and shortest. thus he/she's going Oh natural. I expect this plant to be the tallest, thus I started with the shortest!

This one also showed some droop yesterday, I watered because it was very dry. Also felt the weight of each pot when dry BTW. :thumbsup:


She is a she!!! Think positive dude! For the stretching thing, your plants looks nice but in the early days they stretched a bit (first set of leaves over soil). Sorry if i've confused you, my english is "good" but not excellent. My first language is french. :D

:thumbsup:

[Vancefish]

She is a she!!! Think positive dude! For the stretching thing, your plants looks nice but in the early days they stretched a bit (first set of leaves over soil). Sorry if i've confused you, my english is "good" but not excellent. My first language is french. :D

:thumbsup:

Is all good MB. :thumbsup:

I want to call them all she's. I just have some weird habit of calling them he :D:wtf:

I actually kinda knew that was a bit tall early on. Thus added the CFLs and direct sunlight. Beyond that I think they look good. It also doesn't really matter if they are he's or she's. They are getting bent, cut, under watered, over watered, over misted, twisted and just generally harassed!:D

As for Maingrown: I'm not sure I believe the potting situation yet. Most plants have a root ball roughly the same size as the plant is above ground. Some are larger, but they tend to be trees that catch wind. I'd believe this plant being capable of being like a tree in size could have around 150% root mass in comparison to plant size above the dirt? Based on this being a semi annual plant(if someone knows please correct me:thumbsup:). So, these are likely just barely reaching the edges of the pot at this point. Actual root binding will take 2-3 more weeks while filling out the pot to become a mild issue if I'm correct (I could well be wrong).

Plus I've seen bushy plants three times this size. Potted in the same size pot these are in now.

I guess this is just another part of my learning curve.:D Maybe in a few days I'll repot the LST. It'll be the shortest. Thus I'll move it to a bigger, taller pot first. We'll see.

Plant 3 is the smallest. I said in my last post it was drooping. I watered because of this droop(and because it was really dry). However it has barely improved. All the leaves are a little droopy. Oddly it seams, the new leaves continue to grow and swell, but they are coming out droopy too. This being the smallest of the three, and the others not having the issue. I doubt it's root bound. I still haven't bought good nutes. So couldn't be nute issues as this soil likely has at least a few without adding any.

Any ideas?

[mainegrown]

She is a she!!! Think positive dude! For the stretching thing, your plants looks nice but in the early days they stretched a bit (first set of leaves over soil). Sorry if i've confused you, my english is "good" but not excellent. My first language is french. :D

:thumbsup:

MB: drop by my thread and lets see if we can improve MY french and i will point out anything that is wrong with ur english.. ;) not that i have seen anythin and i have found that many 2nd language english students speak/spell better than most americans.. sad isnt it?


VF:wait a day or two if the 'droopy-ness' dont leave then post a few pics.. but i would imagine over watering.. that is the most common by far.

~MG

[MonkeyBone]

Droopy leaves are mainly over-watering. When I water mine, she droops, then 1-2 days later she's all pointing up!

:thumbsup:

[weeding4u]

High ya! Yo got a bigger pot now!!

[Vancefish]

High ya! Yo got a bigger pot now!!

Hey Weeding4u.

Update: Today Weeding4u and I (Good friend I referred to the forum and will be growing with/for)got 2 new clones. First one is a Durban poison. Second was SAID to be G-13.

We mixed a couple organic composts, bat guano soil, and worm castings, some of my local greenhouse potting mix and some extra perlite to make a nice soil. Then re potted my seedlings (YES they were a bit close if not already root bound). Then we potted up the two new rooted clones into the 6" pots the seedlings were in before.

I was also able to test my water today. It came out to 7.8:eek:. Which I could barely believe. So off to the store, where I bought a soil test strip kit and some PH down. After getting this stuff. I tested the soil PH and found it to be 8 after watering in with the filtered water I've always used. So, I re-watered them in using water adjusted to 6. Hoping I can even that out to around 7 today and lower on the next watering.

However the Phosphorus, Nitrogen and Potassium are all just barely higher then perfect.

Weeding4u also brought me some type of fish emulsion stuff. I was thinking since these are SO wet and this soil so rich, we'll wait until the next or following watering to add this.

I'll get pics up after they all stabilize. At this point they look almost the same as before. Except bigger pots! :thumbsup:

Hoot! I know I have girls now! :thumbsup:

[Vancefish]

Pics of plant1(pics 1,2):

After re potting today I decided to start the next bend to aim the main top around the pot. I figure as long as I stressed it already a bit today, I'll start that bend as well.

Pics of plant2(pics 3,4):

This one looks awesome to me. Although I haven't really seen any growth the last few days. I bet it'll grow a lot with the new space and soil.

[Vancefish]

Here is plant3 (pics 1,2):

This is the droopy girl. Thought it was over watered. I'm thinking Nitrogen deficient mixed with near root binding now though. After soaking it just two days ago, the soil was dry as a bone at re pot today. So, we'll see,..

Pic 3 is the new Durban poison! :thumbsup:

Pic 4 is the new G-13. (?:wtf:) This is questionable as it's said to be a lost genetics line, with the possibility of some cloned mothers somewhere. Most are a cross with something else though, as it's said a cutting(female) was stolen from the CIA. However no male! This happened in the 70's too. Thus most if not all are a cross with this strain.

Edit: I also did pot them deeper to use up some stem. :thumbsup:

[redtails]

Congrats on the new girls, let's hope the other 3 are also! Although 5 teenage girls sounds like a handful!

[Shovelhandle]

Hey Frenchie, nous parlon francais, en pur. ;)

live near lake champlain and have morocycle ridning and racing friends in Qc.

Shov

[Vancefish]

They love the new dirt! :thumbsup:

I could see some change yesterday, but not enough to call it growth. However I'd like to have a record of what they looked like after recovering from the re pot.

Here is plant 1(LST) SHE'S been stretching a little on all branches. Trying to get out from under big leaves. Most of the branches are now poking through. Although branches in the darkest area under the side bent down are having trouble getting to the light still.

[Vancefish]

Plant 2(topped)

Also loving the new soil and space. This girls lowest branches are just starting to reach through the canopy. Although there is some definat stretching there I think this is the hardiest of the three.

Plant 3 (natural)

This girl looked pretty bad to me a few days ago. Droopy and some minor yellowing. Now I thing she's stretched, but looking good.

[Vancefish]

And the two new clones.

Pic 1 is the Durban poison

Pics 2 is the G-13(?) When we potted this girl she had wrinkled leaves, some were browned on the tips too. After we potted then I trimmed off the leave tips that were browned to reduce water loss. It now has new leaves just popping out and starting to expand. However two of those messed up leaves are still on the clone and starting to outright brown! Should I remove them or let them keep pulling water as they fade? Then trim after a leaf or two form up top.

Re-potting WAS the way to go too! :thumbsup:

[Vancefish]

And sorry about the spelling. Eyes and fingers are tired, brain is just :stoned:! :D

[Vancefish]

Today I decided I need more light! :thumbsup: I'd been thinking of adding CFLs to the hood. Because moving them around to expose more shoots is a pain, AND plant 3 is still stretching.

I also decided to tie back the four upper branches on Plant2 to expose the lowest two, to more light (and shorten the plant a little). However today plant 2 is showing either nute burn or K lockout(I'm going with nute burn). I flushed today with PH set water since it was getting a bit dry anyway.

I added four new 6500K CFLs, wired the same way as before. All are 23W(100w eq). Adding 6400 more lumins!:yippee: Now totaling 17900 lumins. :D Now I just need to add some reflective end caps somehow.

[Vancefish]

Lights off and on

Turn your head right.:S2:

[mainegrown]

they looking nice vance..
keep up the LST and they will be huge bushes soon..
~MG

[Vancefish]

Thanks Maingrown,

Talking to the friend who grew these seeds. She had MANY males pop up in her yard last year. She said she was pulling them as fast as she noticed them, however those may have been DAD. Also sounds like odds are against these being female, as SO many in her yard were males. We'll continue with them just for the experience.

So, yesterday was 4 weeks for plant2 and the day before was the same for Plant1. If what I've read is correct I should see preflowers in about 2 weeks??

I'll be starting the grow room build soon too. Once that happens these are either female, or lizard food! :D

[redtails]

lizard food! :D

Hah, my tortoise is brumating otherwise I'd give him the leaves/shoots I trim! Take a pic of that if you can :thumbsup:

[Vancefish]

Hah, my tortoise is brumating otherwise I'd give him the leaves/shoots I trim! Take a pic of that if you can :thumbsup:

I have a 14 year old green Iguana. I had a 17 year old male that passed this last summer too. Unfortunately Olivia is likely going back to the rescue soon. She's lonely, I don't want another one. So, I plan to convert the room she lives in to my new grow room. She eats around $5 a day too.

I've never given up a pet. So it's been hard getting around to it. She will be happier there, as the rescue won't re-adopt her at her age. They will just keep her happy for her last few (maybe) years.

I have a little time though. Going to be a few weeks until I can start building up the room and a few past that before I'll have plants ready for the room. So, I'll feed the males to her as a good going away present.:(

[Vancefish]

Heya all,

Been six days sense new pics. I've been Dog/House sitting for my boss up in the hills. I stop by every day to tend plants, feed cats and fish and iguana. However not been home to see them change all day. It's been kind of exciting to see them only once every 24 hours. :thumbsup:

So, the flush did the trick on the nute burn, Stopped it dead in it's tracks. I have two rough looking leaves on plant2. Plant1 has a couple burnt tips, but nothing bad. Neither clone or plant3 was effected at all. I watered with nothing except PH set water yesterday. However relied on sun light only today until this afternoon. Hence the pointing of the clones! :D

On to the pics.

Plant1 (all LST) Pics 1, 2
Plant2 (topped (and LST'd to expose more)) Pics 3, 4

[Vancefish]

Plant3 (natural and taller every day) Pics 1, 2

Durban poison clone,.. Pics 3, 4

[Vancefish]

Lastly the G-13 and Afgan clone. (sorry I said Haze before and was corrected)

[Vancefish]

Check this out. Top of Plant3 (natural) when I got home today.

IT'S A GIRL!! :thumbsup:

(or at least the top of her is).

Still on 40 on /8 off, so must be mature enough. We'll see how the other two look in a couple days.

[redtails]

Right on, I just noticed my kushberry is a female today too! Funny thing is I took a clone and flowered it to find the sex, but preflowers showed up on both of them at the exact same time, one on 24hrs light & the other on only 10...

[Vancefish]

Over the last couple weeks I dealt with nute deficiency and root binding.

First as I said above I over flushed to stop the nute burn. So I started BC nutes at 1/3 of 1/5th strength. My yellow leaves started to green up a little. However then started dropping like flies. Didn't take long for me to figure out I was root bound again. Sense the growth had also stopped.

So the three got much bigger pots and fox farms Ocean on this last Wednesday. They responded by the next day with faster lifting tops. :thumbsup:

Sense they hadn't really grown much for a while I let them recover a few days before pics.

Pics 1, 2 are plant1. SHE has female parts on every node. :thumbsup: That yellow leaf has been that way ALL week, sense the nute deficiency.

Pics 3, 4 are plant2. IT hasn't shown any sex yet! :wtf:

Pic 5 is plant3. Also shows female across the board. :D(TOO tall though)

[Vancefish]

Here are pics of the clones progress

Pics 1, 2 are Durban poison

Pics 3, 4 are G-13 / afgani

[Vancefish]

Howdy all! :D

Been 20 days since I posted. Been a bit busy here. Been doing side jobs for extra money(Auto repair), Also been trying to buy a wrecked truck.

Last Saturday I bought a 1000w switchable system. I also gave up my iguana to some really good people (almost jealous of where she lives now). Then partially converted the room I'll be growing in. :thumbsup:

Issue is still money. So I have no ventilation and have to keep the room door wide open during lights on. My floor is uncovered but will soon get white tile. Plan is to cover the window with foam insulation (currently a doubled up army blanket).

All three are just over two months old. I started 12/12 last Sunday.

Pics 1, 2 are Plant1 LST with no cutting.

Pics 3, 4 is plant2 Topped (now showing sex on only one branch)

Pic 5 is natural (now 3' 4" from soil to top)

[Vancefish]

Here are a couple pics of the room from last Saturday.

[redtails]

Wow, lotsa growth in your time away! Sorry to hear you had to get rid of your Iggy, but at least it's to a great place. My fiancée is having to get rid of her Degus because she's becoming allergic to their dander, and it's hard since she raised them from babies.

How are you thinking of hooking up the ventilation? I noticed your hood is definitely coolable but are you just going for the fan pulling through there or are you going to get another for just the room air if necessary?

[Vancefish]

Yea, it's a bummer having to give up a pet. I adopted her as a companion to the male I already had. She was three when I got her. However Larry died at 17(ish) this last summer. Sence then she's been in a room alone, just stairing at the walls. I really felt bad for her every day when I'd feed. Which was why I got her FOR him, 11 years ago.

The rescue that took her has two large solariums with branches and shelves to bask in. There were other iguanas all over the place. Just like in Columbia!:thumbsup:

So, It's for the best. For her and me(plus I want to live where she now lives!):D.

As for ventilation. Yes, I plan to cool the hood. I bought this set up over the cool tube I'd planned. Because changing bulbs in the cool tube would be a pain. I plan to buy a second identical to this one as well. Then I plan to pull air from my hallway through the light. Then the hot air will be routed under the floor and up to the living room. Thus saving that heat I already paid to make. Then because it gets really hot here in the summer. I plan a second fan to pull heat from the room ceiling, on a thermostat. Only pulling heat out IF it gets to hot. I need to get a scent reducing filter for that one. Because that heat will go outside.

Unfortunately, I found mites on one of the clones. Damb near dripping off the plant. I looked at the THREE (notice I said three) big girls, for damage or webs. I found a few leaves with spots but no webs.

So, (oh joy) I misted the infested plant and put it outside where it was about 30F. After about 2 min I grabbed the plant and took it to the bathroom. I rinsed off all I could see. Then also did the same to the other clone. I called weeding4you who brought over some shackley basic H soap. Then we soaked each plant with this stuff and rinced that off.

I had a lousy vacume. So I went and bought one that uses bags and actually would SUCK!:D Then cleaned, cleaned and cleaned some more. I put a hotshots pest strip in the "flower room" after cleaning the room over and washing each of those plants. Last night I allowed the room to get as cold as I could (64 deg F) to slow any breeding. I also desolved three pounds of dry ice in the room for an increase in CO2.

Today I found out my boss had mites, got them early last week and never bothered to tell me!:mad:

So I borrowed a couple tablespoons of his neem oil.

I havn't/can't find any live mites at this point. I still see specks of something under some leaves (which bothers me). However nothing moving.

Now, off to see HOW Neem oil kills them. I also need to find out how much CO2 is in a pound of dry ice. Plus I've used Mayonaise to clean and shine house plants before with great success. So, I may try that on a leaf or two and see what happens.

[Vancefish]

That didn't take long,..

It says: "It disrupts insects' hormonal balance so they die before they molt to the next life stage."

Cool!:thumbsup:

[Vancefish]

To add to that, I found,..

Neem oil is ingested by the insect or mite, either through direct consumption or by eating plant matter with neem in the tissues.

Once in the beasty, it disrupts the critters ability to act like what it is. It's like it looses it's mind. They forget to eat, breed, hatch or molt. Thus causing them all to die over a week or so. Many simply leave the plant as soon as they smell the stuff. However mites can't leave, they just eat some and like a stoned teenager, they get couch locked! :D

I guess Neem doesn't cause munchies though!

[Vancefish]

Dry Ice,... One pound = 8.3 Cubic feet of CO2

To achieve 1500ppm I need to release 0.54 cubic feet per hour into the room. Assuming all is lost in 30 min (because the room is sealed with towels):D

So, by dissolving nearly 3 lbs in the room. I let 24 cubic feet of CO2 into the room over three hours. Which I think calculates out to 19200ppm average for those three hours.

I read somewhere 10,000ppm would kill mites and eggs too.

Plants seemed to love it. Not going with the mayo idea.:D

[Vancefish]

Well,.. Plant2 (topped) is a hermi!

This plant nearly refused to show sex. Both of it's sisters showed sex around three weeks ago. This one waited until a week and a half into 12/12 to do it. So, I semi expected it.

Oddly(at least to me) is the female parts were easily seen a few days ago. however male parts are jammed right up against the female parts and didn't show up until today.

He/ She/ IT will die today!

[redtails]

Bummer, it happens though

[Vancefish]

Well not one sign if a mite in 6 days! :thumbsup:

I did the final LST session night before last. Leaving plant1 with an amazing 112 nearly level colas! :yippee: she's woven like a basket, but WOW is all I think when I see her every evening.

Plant2 (iffy) got chopped up and frozen for his/her sex change.

Plant 3 is WAY to tall! :D I doubt it'll produce what plant1 will.

I plan to hit them with one more dose of the Neem oil this weekend, because I read somewhere not to use it after two weeks of flower. Which is Sunday.

Well enjoy!

[Vancefish]

Well just to get SOMETHING up. I can post a single pic before I figure out how to shrink these! :D

Here's the LST

[Vancefish]

Here's the natural.

[Vancefish]

Pics from last Saturday. Things are a bit puffier now, but not much different.

I just noticed, it's a dog hair in pic 1. :D

[LetsSeeYa]

Well just to get SOMETHING up. I can post a single pic before I figure out how to shrink these! :D

Here's the LST

I just finished your thread Vance and you did great man:thumbsup:. If ya want your plant not so tall, just bend it with some twine and tape it to the pot. All your branches will grow to the light and will be bigger in the end. I had to do this because of space problem and it worked out great. Just tie what ever you use to the top of the plant and push in the middle of the plant to sorta bow it, then tape it in place on your plant. Just an idea, as it worked for me.

Good luck:rasta:

[Vancefish]

I just finished your thread Vance and you did great man:thumbsup:. If ya want your plant not so tall, just bend it with some twine and tape it to the pot. All your branches will grow to the light and will be bigger in the end. I had to do this because of space problem and it worked out great. Just tie what ever you use to the top of the plant and push in the middle of the plant to sorta bow it, then tape it in place on your plant. Just an idea, as it worked for me.

Good luck:rasta:

Thanks LetsSeeYa,

Fortunately, plant3 has stopped stretching it seems. The top of that cola is 5-6 inches from the hood glass and has been there a little over a week. Some of the lower branches are still getting taller, but the main cola is now stable. :thumbsup:

I'm still a bit nervous about the bug issues. Although I can't find any mites on them. They WERE there, and I'm still exposed to an infestation every day at work.:mad: All I can do is be diligent, and hope for the best.

At four weeks tomorrow, I'm getting very antsy too.:D I'm really looking forward to seeing my buds fatten up! I was always worried I'd make a mistake along the line, but now I'm just hoping to see a good finish.

Wouldn't mind seeing all those stretched up colas fatten up into giant bud masses though! :D

[Vancefish]

Hey all,

I have yet to use Molasses, but plan to buy some before the next nuted watering. Things are definitely filling out too!:thumbsup:

My boss is finally doing something about his bugs, so that issue is finally being resolved as well.:D

So I just took these before lights out. Again this is 32 days of flower.

[Vancefish]

And the natural

[weeding4u]

Hey Vance, Change your mood Icon! Makin you look bad dude! lol
Altho, the plants are lookin mighty fine!
:rasta:

[Vancefish]

Hey Vance, Change your mood Icon! Makin you look bad dude! lol
Altho, the plants are lookin mighty fine!
:rasta:

Thanks, I was mad about 1284 yesterday. :thumbsup: (still am, but there's time at least)

[Vancefish]

Update: Over the last few days I noticed a few "claw" or "ram horn" leaves, plus I had a few leaves yellow, and get crusty spots on a couple. I've also noticed a slowing of flower growth. I was unsure about this until today, after comparing week old pics with today I had to act. I also asked about it in this thread a few days ago.:

http://boards.cannabis.com/plant-problems/183053-curled-down-leaves.html

Today the plants looked a bit rough. So, I Kind of repotted into the same pots (however with extra soil under and on the sides). I doubt I'll be waiting much more then three weeks until harvest. So hopefully this is enough to get them by.

[Vancefish]

I'm starting to see a little more bulk now! :thumbsup:

However since the re-pot I've seen three nanners, and using tiny tweezers picked them out. I can only hope I got them all.:wtf:

I took these pics last night. Which is 43 days into flower. With bulk starting to come on I decided to take and post some pics as reference for future comparison. :D

[StickyBuds1987]

very nice plants you have there seems like a pretty good test huh lol cant wait to see the dried and cured buds:thumbsup:

[Vancefish]

Hey all, I've got about 20% cloudy in the LST, and about 40% cloudy on the natural. Plus some of the colas are getting a bit heavy for the LST. :D

Here are pics from tonight. I've also been assisting the natural plant, in staying up. It's gotten SO top heavy it wants to lay down. :thumbsup:

[Vancefish]

A few more shots, sorry a few are a bit blurry.

[Vancefish]

Tonight, as my buds get heavier by the day. I decided to tie them UP!:D

[canniwhatsis]

Looks good!:thumbsup:




UPS guy;)

[Vancefish]

Tonight I finally added a 465cfm cage fan and ducted it through the hood, then through the floor(to be redirected later). :thumbsup:

Once turned on, I cleaned up. After about 5 min of clean up, the hood was cool to the touch. With the door closed (first time, with lights on) the room stayed at ambient house temp, of 75f before sun set.:yippee:

Unfortunately, I needed to turn the lights out for tonight's 12. So no pics until tomorrow. Overall room temps should stay lower tomorrow too. Due to not heating up in the first place. :rastabanna:

[Vancefish]

Alright, here are some pics of my newly ducted hood. Currently 72F in the room WITHOUT the oscillating fan (using it elsewhere for a bit).

I cut a hole in the wall between the room and the hall closet. Then attached the fan to the duct, through the wall.

I plan to eventually add a second hood. So, the ducting will simply be split where the new one will go. Then attached without much more modding to the ducting itself. :thumbsup:

[Vancefish]

Pics of day 57! :thumbsup:

[ckarrson]

if i can remember (sorry just took my 420 hit :P) but neways, I believe you said this was your first grow.....I'd say its a pretty damn good first grow. WOW!!

[Shovelhandle]

pissa!

[canniwhatsis]

You ever gonna harvest that stuff? or just let it keep growin?


Did the boss ever get his mites under control?

[Vancefish]

You ever gonna harvest that stuff? or just let it keep growin?


Did the boss ever get his mites under control?

I thought it would be done a few days ago. However the trichs are still not all cloudy, Nor do I have much amber. So, on it goes. :thumbsup:

Pretty sure this is a lemon haze, crossed with something skunky. Pretty citric scent with a skunky power you start to miss after a few min in the room.:wtf:

However, I read many haze plants finish around 60-63 days. Today (Wed) is day 59. I have a lot of cloudy, but far from all.

Aaand,..

Yes, on the mites. Both sides are clear. I'm quite sure I was bringing home new visitors too. I got rid of them three times(on my vegging clones), just to get them again a week later or so. Where as now, they seem to be at bay. I was also lucky to avoid re-infesting the flower room after the third-ish week).

Yes cKarrson it is my first grow. I'm a pretty technical person and tend to investigate everything thoroughly before moving forward. This site is the bomb for that purpose. Plus my history with reef aquariums and testing for those micro-nutrients, minerals, PH..etc. Made this less daunting. The lighting tech isn't much different either.

You could go so far as to say,.. I just followed the directions, and asked questions when issues arose.:D I also never really pushed the flowering nutes to hard this round. I burnt them in Veg, but never in flower. Thus I wonder if I under nuted through the budding cycle. I may push that harder in the next round. :thumbsup:

Thanks for the kind words too! I'll surely update once it's cut!

[palerider7777]

nice for your first grow.:thumbsup:

[canniwhatsis]

Guess this site doesn't do PM's :wtf:


Vance, you figure out who I am yet?:D

[Vancefish]

Yea no PMs kinda sux:mad:

However if you are who I'm pretty sure you are. You fly various RC things, and drive a brown truck. :D

Am I right?

[canniwhatsis]

YEP!:thumbsup:


I was hoping the boss got the mites under control since i've started my first grow,... I don't want to bring anything home if I can avoid it!

[Vancefish]

:):wtf:

[Vancefish]

:cool:

[weeding4u]

Then stay in the truck and out of the back room!

[weeding4u]

I think the LST will be ready first. They look like fall has definitely hit them!
The natural almost has a christmas tree effect going on. Really nice job!

[canniwhatsis]

Then stay in the truck and out of the back room!

LOL!


That's the plan ;)


Looking good Vance!:thumbsup:

[weeding4u]

Vances keyboard is also smokin.
He tried watering it, and it didnt help.
He will be back on again soon. Hard
to keep him quiet and out of the chat rhelm
for long!:smokin:

[canniwhatsis]

Weeding,... try surfing around this site some,... you'd be amazed what you find! ;)


Where's your log anyway!?:weedpoke:



And with the work Vance does for a living I would have thought he already knew that water and electronics don't mix well!:rolleyes::S5:

[Vancefish]

So I spilled a glass of water on my keyboard Sunday evening, just before taking the above pics. :mad:

Thus, the last couple days I only had the right side of my split keyboard. I borrowed one from work, but it's a regular, not a split. Now my T and Y are to close to each other, as are the G and H, and B and N.:D

Anyway, the pics are at 63 days of flower. The LST has finally got some amber(still a few clear). The natural plant is ALL cloudy :thumbsup:, and out of 1000+ trichomes I found three nicely amber colored. (this is at 65 days).

Going to cut VERY soon. Still not sure exactly how much longer though.

I plan to slow dry in my flower room. Once these two are done, and cut. I'll hang them in the room. Then in 6-7 days I'll start flowering the clones.:thumbsup:

I also built the bubble cloner found in the Hydro forum.:thumbsup: I used a single large flip flop sandal to make all 18 plugs.

[canniwhatsis]

Vance, you know what thread you found that cloner in? I gotta get one built.


I browsed over the Hydroponics,... didn't see it off hand.

[Vancefish]

Yep, I have the thread saved. :thumbsup:

http://boards.cannabis.com/hydroponics/157397-cheap-easy-diy-cloner-what-do-results.html

[canniwhatsis]

Thanks!:thumbsup:

[Coachgee]

Good job vance keep up the good work....:thumbsup:

[Vancefish]

Well we are at 71 days of flower and STILL not done, but very close.

I see a lot of cloudy/milky trichomes. However any amber is hard to find. I can find one if I look hard enough, but obviously not done yet.

Both plants have been dropping fan leaves like mad. They turn yellow, then dry from the tip back. Once almost all of the leaf is dry and crusty. It finally lets it go.

Yesterday while checking trichs, I found a mite while looking through the microscope. Like seeing a giant monster.:mad:

So yesterday I used white trash bags and some tape to basically bag the entire LST. I put a hole in the bottom near the pot and one at the top like a chimney. Then placed the hotshots strip and temp/humidity sensor inside. I misted a little with my spray bottle to keep humidity up around 60% and temps in the bag stayed around 74F.

This morning I discovered it's only two branches (and their side branches) that have mites on them. So today I did the same as yesterday, but only to those branches.

I pulled a leaf from one of these two as well. I found 3 dead, and one barely alive(I poked it with tiny tweezers to see:D) NONE are adults, just white juvies. So I figure I AGAIN, brought them home from work, or had a hatch. Either way it's horrific timing.

At least it's only the section of the plant, and not on the other one at all. However I plan to buy two more pest strips tonight, and hang all three until finished.

I also cooled the room during a storm last week. Took it down to about 66F. The next day the LST is mostly Purple! :thumbsup:

I'll get some pics up tonight.

[Vancefish]

Howdy all,

Today is day 77 of 12/12. Although I found my first cloudy trichomes, weeks ago. Plus I've found the occasional amber. It continues to develop none the less.

As you can see in the one pic, I still see random bursts of growth too.:wtf: However that is only on the natural plant. The LST seems to have stopped.

I was pretty sure this was a 50/50 Indica/Sativa. However that is proving incorrect. If these make it to NEXT Sunday they have flowered 12 weeks. I'd have to assume they are pure Sativa in that case.

These pics are all the LST. I'll post the "Natural" in a second post.

[Vancefish]

the natural

[Vancefish]

Also any advise based on what I've said and the pics would be great! :thumbsup:

Being my first grow. I'm quite bothered by the time it's taking. I'm curious as to IF it's possible I stunted flowering (not sure this is possible). Or if you can see something showing a rough time frame to maturity. I know people always ask when they are ready, and that it's hard to tell from a post OR a pic. I'm just stunned and confused as to why it's taking SO long.:D

Thanks for any comments.

[Vancefish]

After starting a thread asking if I should harvest. I dried a bud in the oven and looked at trichomes from some trim. It had quite a lot of amber.

The natural is a little behind it, so we might cut it tomorrow.

So, as you can see. :thumbsup:

[Vancefish]

Well the harvest was a little early for my taste. The trichs are almost all cloudy, with just about 1-4% amber. After a full bowl, you have some perceptual high. As in, things look more interesting. However there is NO relaxing effect AT ALL!! You might even feel jittery.:mad:

Luckily for me half the Natural plant is still growing.

ALSO the LST budds are WAY light and airy. Nothing is solid feeling or looking. Very loose.:wtf:

Where as the natural plants buds are tight and dence.

I added a pic of the now "jarred for curing".

[canniwhatsis]

How much did your girls yield?

[Vancefish]

How much did your girls yield?

I didn't have money to buy a scale. :(

Thus, I believe the LST (jars on the left) hold about an ounce each.

The Natural (jars on the right) hold about 2 ounces each. However half this plant is still in the soil.

If my guesses are correct??,... The LST produced about 9 ounces. The Natural has about 6 ounces so far.

I'll buy a scale this week and give a better idea once the natural is all cut and dried. :thumbsup:

[Vancefish]

comments from another thread on this grow. sounded like I should copy them here for future reference. and added info on the grow.

http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-growing/184941-question-improving-effect.html

I just checked trichomes on the remaining part of the natural plant. I'm seeing about 10%, most rusty are on the bottom of the leaf too.

As for fast drying, I dried them in half my flower room. I kept the room at an average humidity of 48%. It hit 55% a couple times as well as dropped to around 42% a few times. (inaccurate humidifier)

As my first crop, I'm doing all I remember reading, as close to "by the book" as I can. When it comes to drying and curing. Slow dry (as slow as I could, but still only took 4-5 days). Once stems would snap I jarred it up. I've watched for ANY condensation, however have seen none. The buds felt a little to dry(I thought) when jarred. Now IF I open a jar it's all slightly pliable again. The smell is also changing slightly each day.

I DID try the freezing last night. I put one single 1/4g bud in for around three hours. It seamed a bit harder when first removed, but came back the same after thawing. Flavor MAY have improved mildly.

ALSO,... I DO have a couple of nanners on the remaining plant half. I actually found a couple before I cut any the first time. However this has been a VERY unstable strain the entire grow. The LST was putting out nanners the entire last four weeks! I must have been picking 30-50 of them a day! I also had a few seeds where I broke a nanner and pollinated the flower, or flowers around the nanner.

The nanners alone added a good 5 hours to jarring as well. We tried to pick them all out, but I can still see a few in the jars.

If anything I can say I got a LOT of experience out of this first grow.