The end of selling to dispensaries?

[lampost]

I was reading the new proposal and it says that basically only licensed dispensaries can sell marijuana after March 1, 2010. So I'm wondering how these dispensaries are supposed to get their meds? It would appear that the only legal place for them to get herb would be from their own grow operations OR from other licensed dispensaries.

That sucks because I was hoping to sell my excess to dispensaries after a harvest!

[Dietblonde]

There are ways around almost everything.

[copobo]

where were you reading the new proposal?

[lampost]

There are ways around almost everything.

What are you thinking to get around it? It said that dispensaries must have proof showing that all of their onsite herb was purchased through legal suppliers.

I'm sure some dispensaries will continue to buy from vendors that they have established relationships with, but they'd probably be scared to deal w a new vendor for fears of undercovers.

But also I'm wondering if this is really the intent of the proposal. I thought Amendment 20 stated that patients can legally sell to each other. So this proposal could mean that only dispensaries that are licensed can sell herb, meaning that unlicensed dispensaries cannot but patients could still supply each other. OR this could mean that licensed dispensaries are THE ONLY places that can legally sell herb at all, meaning patient sales to each other would no longer be legal.

I'm curious on this. Also curious what ways you are thinking to get around this?

[Dietblonde]

I'm only assuming there will be loopholes some lawyer will figure out in the end.

Maybe an individual grower will just get a license as a dispensary entity. I dunno. This shit changes everyday. One politician after another comes up with his own proposal and frankly, I'll be at the public hearings but I'm not going to get too upset about it now. They could be overextending themselves for the sake of negotiation with the MMJ community.

[senorx12562]

I was reading the new proposal and it says that basically only licensed dispensaries can sell marijuana after March 1, 2010. So I'm wondering how these dispensaries are supposed to get their meds? It would appear that the only legal place for them to get herb would be from their own grow operations OR from other licensed dispensaries.

That sucks because I was hoping to sell my excess to dispensaries after a harvest!
Under the proposal ( I assume you are talking about the Romer proposal) licensed growers can sell to dispensaries, so I'm not sure what you are concerned about unless you cannot or choose not to get licensed, which, given the astronomical costs this regulatory scheme will cause, I wouldn't blame you. I do think it would end small grows' economic viability in a heartbeat though. It would be almost impossible to police where all the medicine that a dispensary has to sell came from, especially when they are allowed to have a grower's license under the proposal. Who's to say what their yield is?

[lampost]

Under the proposal ( I assume you are talking about the Romer proposal) licensed growers can sell to dispensaries, so I'm not sure what you are concerned about unless you cannot or choose not to get licensed, which, given the astronomical costs this regulatory scheme will cause, I wouldn't blame you. I do think it would end small grows' economic viability in a heartbeat though. It would be almost impossible to police where all the medicine that a dispensary has to sell came from, especially when they are allowed to have a grower's license under the proposal. Who's to say what their yield is?

Actually I don't think this is Romers bill. It was developed at a city council meeting yesterday, 12/16, in an effort to determine how to license dispensaries. It doesn't mention anything about licensing growers or any cultivation issues at all. It basically just proposes how to license dispensaries. Check out the link on DB's blog from yesterday. He did an awesome job summing up the meeting.

I guess I'm worried about something that hasn't happened yet. This bill isn't law.

[senorx12562]

The provision you're talking about basically just sets March 1 as the deadline for getting a license, and has nothing at all to say about where dispensaries get their product. It also would only apply in the City and County of Denver. If you want to worry, check out Romer's bill. But you are right, at this point it's all yet to be decided. I'm trying (and failing to some extent) not to worry.

[justinsane33]

how is it that we get high all the time and still worry about stuff?

[Vancefish]

The provision you're talking about basically just sets March 1 as the deadline for getting a license, and has nothing at all to say about where dispensaries get their product. It also would only apply in the City and County of Denver. If you want to worry, check out Romer's bill. But you are right, at this point it's all yet to be decided. I'm trying (and failing to some extent) not to worry.


I agree. I believe they will be somewhat easy on dispensaries in the end, because this is where the state will (or plan to) collect any taxes on this new industry. I'm sure this whole thing will change 20 times before anything is actually passed. However if the city of Denver over-restricts dispenaries they will loose money on this new tax base. We being in hard economic times, I doubt they will over do it and distroy that income.

However we should pay very close attention to WHO is proposing these changes. Next year we have state elections. I believe they are currently trying to pass regulation before their campains start in the spring and any negative press could cost them the election! Our stand should be to write them NOW! Tell them what they are doing now matters, and insure them we WILL point out how they voted when the election comes around. Maybe by seeing what the voters want, and how we will remember what they do on this vote. Maybe they will do the job we elected them to do, and not vote yes on something the people don't want or support.

[mmjman]

What do you mean licensed dispensary? There is no state program to register a dispensary and ammendment 20 does not mention them at all.

[Vancefish]

What do you mean licensed dispensary? There is no state program to register a dispensary and ammendment 20 does not mention them at all.

THAT is what this post is talking about. The last month or so the city of Denver and the state of Colorado have been looking for ways to "regulate" MMJ. They (of course) are claiming this needs regulation to "protect" the patients, as well as taxing this new industry.

Issue is (as is so often the case). Our local government is currently considering what the original post says(kinda). Basiclly you'll have to get a new licence to run a dispensary after March ?? 2010. This "law" is not passed yet, and is too young a bill to be sure any of the current details will stay the same once/if it even passes.

The amendment says nothing what so ever about dispensaries. They started popping up as soon as Obama said on national TV that the Feds would not persue when state law said it was legal. Now our local government is proposing many new "laws" "regulating" it. This includes a proposed license for dispensaries.

[colagal]

So I'm wondering how these dispensaries are supposed to get their meds? It would appear that the only legal place for them to get herb would be from their own grow operations OR from other licensed dispensaries.

That sucks because I was hoping to sell my excess to dispensaries after a harvest!



The provision you're talking about basically just sets March 1 as the deadline for getting a license, and has nothing at all to say about where dispensaries get their product. It also would only apply in the City and County of Denver. If you want to worry, check out Romer's bill. But you are right, at this point it's all yet to be decided. I'm trying (and failing to some extent) not to worry.

What does this mean - taken from Romer's Bill? A medical marijuana grower license. A licensed medical marijuana grower must transact all sales using an electronic payment method and must file a monthly report of all sales with both local law enforcement and department of revenue. The location of each grow operation shall be provided to local law enforcement and shall be in a secure facility approved by the local license sponsor. Rules to provide for monthly audits and inspection for all three licenses shall be made by department of revenue.

What is this local license sponsor approval stuff? Does a dispensary sponsor a grower? Does a grower still have to be a caregiver? Can anyone grow if they meet they the provisions of that definition only? And...how much can a grower grow?

I am not successfully imaging how the grow/supply aspect of all this will clearly be addressed, i.e., if it will be more restrictive or more confusing or more risky or wtf.

[senorx12562]

What does this mean - taken from Romer's Bill? A medical marijuana grower license. A licensed medical marijuana grower must transact all sales using an electronic payment method and must file a monthly report of all sales with both local law enforcement and department of revenue. The location of each grow operation shall be provided to local law enforcement and shall be in a secure facility approved by the local license sponsor. Rules to provide for monthly audits and inspection for all three licenses shall be made by department of revenue.

What is this local license sponsor approval stuff? Does a dispensary sponsor a grower? Does a grower still have to be a caregiver? Can anyone grow if they meet they the provisions of that definition only? And...how much can a grower grow?

I am not successfully imaging how the grow/supply aspect of all this will clearly be addressed, i.e., if it will be more restrictive or more confusing or more risky or wtf.
They are trying to force growers to create a paper trail so they can't avoid taxes, and presumably try to track where all there product is going, thus the reporting requirements and the electronic payment thing. The local license sponsor is the city in which the grow is located. They are trying to create a two-tiered licensing scheme, and you would have to be licensed by the city before you could even apply for a state license. I don't know about the caregiver requirement vis-a-vis growers under this proposal. I also saw 500 plants mentioned in the proposal as a limit.

[lampost]

They are trying to force growers to create a paper trail so they can't avoid taxes, and presumably try to track where all there product is going, thus the reporting requirements and the electronic payment thing. The local license sponsor is the city in which the grow is located. They are trying to create a two-tiered licensing scheme, and you would have to be licensed by the city before you could even apply for a state license. I don't know about the caregiver requirement vis-a-vis growers under this proposal. I also saw 500 plants mentioned in the proposal as a limit.

^so this is from Romer's bill? That fuckin sucks! That'll never get off the ground.

[FarmerSteve]

The only guy I am really sickened by is Romer. We need to get a call list or some group together and bombard his office with calls and emails telling him how we are going to fight him all the way.

Are there any Political Action Groups or Patient Groups in Colorado?

[ColoradoCareMMJ]

The only guy I am really sickened by is Romer. We need to get a call list or some group together and bombard his office with calls and emails telling him how we are going to fight him all the way.

Are there any Political Action Groups or Patient Groups in Colorado?

...we could start one. I know there are a few groups, but they are oriented towards recreational use and sensible drug policy, not so much detailed on medical cannabis or the laws regarding them.

[colagal]

They are trying to force growers to create a paper trail so they can't avoid taxes, and presumably try to track where all there product is going, thus the reporting requirements and the electronic payment thing. The local license sponsor is the city in which the grow is located. They are trying to create a two-tiered licensing scheme, and you would have to be licensed by the city before you could even apply for a state license. I don't know about the caregiver requirement vis-a-vis growers under this proposal. I also saw 500 plants mentioned in the proposal as a limit.

Interesting. The term grower in this proposed Bill seems to imply some one who is not a caregiver per se, otherwise patients who grow or their caregivers would also be required to obtain a grow license, which I don't think is the intent, is it? Everyone who grows needs a license?

Well, I think the mm community will be well represented in these meetings, and anxiously await what will be hashed out, as they say in the papers.

[senorx12562]

Interesting. The term grower in this proposed Bill seems to imply some one who is not a caregiver per se, otherwise patients who grow or their caregivers would also be required to obtain a grow license, which I don't think is the intent, is it? Everyone who grows needs a license?

Well, I think the mm community will be well represented in these meetings, and anxiously await what will be hashed out, as they say in the papers.
There is no way they could require a license to grow for yourself. Its a very good thing that Colorado's MMJ law is enshrined in the state constitution instead of just a statute.

[sbniceguy]

Where did you hear this? Are you saying that inorder to run a dispensary you will have to have a storefront location and only the owner can sell their stuff through there and not get product from other growers? This is stupid. Dispensaries need a variety and get it from different legity growers.

[Vancefish]

Where did you hear this? Are you saying that inorder to run a dispensary you will have to have a storefront location and only the owner can sell their stuff through there and not get product from other growers? This is stupid. Dispensaries need a variety and get it from different legity growers.

You need to read the proposals. This thread has been dying because there are now specific threads ON those proposals. We all agree the subject of this thread would suck. However the same bill has many other terrible things in it.

Here are those threads:

http://boards.cannabis.com/colorado-co/179298-chris-romer-still-enemy.html

http://boards.cannabis.com/colorado-co/179552-appears-more-laws-regulation-around-corner-mmd-mmj-industry.html

http://boards.cannabis.com/colorado-co/179524-corrys-response-romers-latest-bill.html

This is why so many are planning to protest on the 11th too. :thumbsup: