PLEASE HELP

[HEMPSHAWN]

whats goin on guys and gals. k well here is my problem. i have 1 plant currently that i am growing. had 4 but now 1 (THANKS TO MY DOG) that is 3 1/2 weeks into veg. ive dealt with a lil nute burn before and some stunting but this is a new one on me. I am using a continuous drip hydroponic system. using aquarium rock as a medium due to the lack of water retention. cfl at 150 total wattage. i do have a fan. and my ph is at 7.1 which i know is high but my question to those of you who care is did i correctly diagnose the problem as nute burn and am i taking the proper steps in reversing the damage. i have removed all nuitrient filled water from my reservoir and just started them on plain water, plan to leave them in the h20 solution for 3-7 days all depending on if she pulls through ( i say she because my hopes are high, lol) Ive grown outdoor and inddor with soil but this is my first go round with hydroponics. i have atached some pics to allow you to better understand my issue. all comments and advice are more than welcome. not sure if the pic quality is up to par 4 you and i apolagize, my camera is that of an x-box 360 live cam.

[polishpollack]

No offense, but I think I'd go back to soil. I know that doesn't fix your plant as it is, but the pics need to come up bigger so people can see details. Don't how to help you with that.

[HEMPSHAWN]

well that doesnt really help me at all but good looking out polish. Anyone out there who can give me some advice that will be beneficial would be appreciated. I do think i have made the right choice because after i flushed em last night and changed the water in my reservoir the new growth that was starting out yellow is now going back to green. i hope im actually seeing improvement and not a fluke. Also is anyone else able to get a really skunky smell from your plant in veg. when you bend them stems at the top 1/2 of the plant a lil.?

[spacemyface]

I'm not a hydro grower but they look a bit small for nutes though, and definetly get your ph down! They won't pull through unless you've got your ph right.

[HEMPSHAWN]

yea, from my understanding was that i was supposed to give them nutes off the rip, in very small doses becaseu the minerals that are normally found in soil are not present in h20, atleast not the main 3, some micro nutes are in tap depending on where you live. i need to find a decent place to get supplies, ive been checking out indoor garedens a lil and they seem to have what i need. kinda workin on a budget so i dont want to get the digital tester, i do have a ph thing that tells me where its at, just no ph up or down.

[HEMPSHAWN]

update on pics, technically still day one cause its been less than 24hrs.

[Hempsouth]

I think it will recover, it looks like there was some nutrient lock out. Do you know what your Ph was with nutes?

[HEMPSHAWN]

i know it had to be to high cause now with just reg. tap its till at 6.9-7, unless my tester ius fucked, but im not sure if this is normal because it seems like everything is coming back now, which is definantly a good thing, and the smell is still confusing me, none of my other plants have ever had a smell this early in veg, light skunky ass smell. Is this normal????? I truley do appreciate everyones input and will continue this post cause i am a hydro nube and im not ignorant, i do realize that i do not know everything there is to know, so any and all advice will be taken with upmost gratitude. And if there are any moederators/ site developers---THANK YOU!!!! I am truley grateful that you would take the time to help out fellow growers. that is one thing that i feel is definantly influenced by mary jane, the ability to be compassionate when chaos is prevelent. so again thank you, sorry to get off subject but please keep the advice coming.

[Hempsouth]

Different pheno's produce a varity of smells.

Hydro is more difficult to dial in compared with soil, I went back to soil after a few hydro's. Much better taste IMO

[HEMPSHAWN]

i kinda figured at this point the plant will go through to much shock from hydro to soil, is it possible to do so without damage?

[spacemyface]

what are you using to test your ph? For hydro isn't the ph supposed to be in the high 5's? Your using tap water? Are you letting it sit for 24h for the chlorine to evap.? Your plants can't take in the micro nutes when the ph isn't right.

[HEMPSHAWN]

its anquarium ph tester, and im not using the aquarium ph up or down, hence why i said i dont have up or down. but from what i think i remember from here the correct PH is 6.5-6.8 for optimal nutrient intake. and the chlroine in the tap isnt harmful to the root structure of the plant, but instead acts as a "germicide" i believe that makes the root environment more sterile without harm.

[spacemyface]

I'm a soil grower and those are the levels i shoot for, I'm pretty sure hydro is different. Try posting in the hydro section.

[HEMPSHAWN]

k, than what should i use "immediatly" usually available in the home that i can lower my PH quickly. Im in BFE so no store of any kind available at this time of night

[spacemyface]

viniger

[HEMPSHAWN]

good lookin out bro, ill go try it now, my reservoir is holding 5 galons, so should a go by a gallon and test it first than multiply by 5???

[HEMPSHAWN]

k i have white distilled vinegear with " reduced with water to 5% acidity

[HEMPSHAWN]

k took measurements using a 1 qt container, made proper adjustments, got a reading of 6.0 now, added nutrients at 1/4 strenghth. now its a wait and see game but from what ive just learned all shall be well again in greenville. I will keep ya posted.

[HEMPSHAWN]

ohh, and as you can tell everything that i have invested into my grow set-up has been cost free, i just have a pretty good mind and good at improv. i guess the proper term for what im doin is buddin on a budget, maybe you guys should have a post that is solely based on that, as ive seen numerous people without means or access to "proper" hydroponics. just a thought, and did i mention im baked out of my mind right now:rasta:

[HEMPSHAWN]

k well dude i definantly wouldnt give anyone any advice if i were you, im just lucky that i happen to look in on her before i crashed. i opened my room and there she wilting so bad her top leaves were touching the medium, so for that i can say you are a bad example of help on here. i was asking for the opinion for someone who knows what there talking about. if i wanted the advice that i got from you i would have ask my fucking dog. thankfully i flushed AGAIN!!!! and within minutes they perked back up, so with that being said i must either (A) have the most incredible luck, or (B) have the most bad ass of bad ass plants growing in my basement right now. that girl is one resillient specimen.

[polishpollack]

Grow stores don't sell vinager. No one should use it and I don't know how the rumor got started to use it, but it shouldn't be used. 6.0 pH is probably just fine. Sorry about my "go back to soil" post being vague but soil can be alot easier to grow in as you're finding out.

[spacemyface]

Yo Hempshawn,
You asked for what could be used that was cheap and readily available in your home. I answered. I am sure as hell not responsible for you having no clue what you are doing. Duh, you added the vinegar, checked the ph then added nutrients???? Don't you get that adding nutes can also change the ph??
When you needed advice, I answered out of the goodness of my heart. I could have just kept scrolling, I didn't need to take time out of my life to help a bro out and now you give me shit cuz you don't know what you are doing and are fucking your plants up.
Fuck you stoned ass.

[sarah louise]

viniger

This wasn't bad advice. Vinegar is a good kitchen cupboard quick fix for lowering pH in a one off situation.

Unfortunately the way you mixed your solution had a few flaws that probably impacted heavily on the final pH that went to your plant(s).

You would have had the same problem if you used professional pH down.

Back to your original problem, need more information (trouble shooting form). If you can only get small images concentrate on shots of single large leaves (incuding leaf tips). For diagnostic purposes, blurry images are not useful. We need to be able to see the leaf tips and the leaf veins.

[HEMPSHAWN]

I will pick up a better camera on monday. and to space i apolagize. i just got a lil upset when i seen my baby wilting like that ya know, so for whats its worth im sorry bro. prob. gonna get some ph down today, i dont think ill need the Ph up, like i said my tap comes a lil under neutral so i only have to reduce. and i read up on the PH a lil, i need to take all three measurements, before adding nutes, after adding nutes and run-off. when i get proper supplies will post with update and pics. again guys my apolagy is sincere. I just dont think the plant liked that vinegear at all cause literally as soon as i flushed and flooded with H20 she was standin strong within seconds and back to normal within the hour. i did notice this morning that she is getting alot greener :D well im gonna head inot town now and go re-stock on nutes, considering im only using 1/4 strenghth im gonna switch my nutes to the flora nova series. i feel more comfortable using a 2 part than a three part system. if anyone has experiance with the flora series please let me know. P.S. i do not and will not use Fox Farm, bad experiences. well happy smokin to all of you and have a good day.

[redtails]

May I ask what the bad exp was with FF? I'm using them now in soil and have never had better results. I'd like to get some honest input though, good and bad for the future, as well as using my own experiences...

[Hempsouth]

Make a mental note that 6.0 is 10 times more acidic than 7.0, some strains cannot take huge Ph swings real fast.

[HEMPSHAWN]

k, well its been about a week. i do believe that i was dealing with nute burn, my plant has turned away from the yellowing collar although the leafs that were already affected havnt shown any further deterioration i dont believe they will ever get back to there "greeness" new growth is beginning to show at the nodes. here are some pics,

I am dealing with a little bit of purple in the stem/s. i think this may be due to the low temps here.

I have noticed that in the area where i bent the stem back and forth ( a few times a day) the area seems to have grown larger, Is this somthing that is practiced????? possibly to get stronger stems.

[HEMPSHAWN]

lmao, k well i am seriously stoned cause it hasnt beem a week, its been like 4 days so my bad, but i guess thats even better considering the amount of "re-coup" they went through in those few days. With that bein said i thank all of you for your help:jointsmile:, i found that vinegear does work but the problem is the change is only short lived, now im playing the whole PH game so i think i willl just go get the right shit and quit bein so cheap. :thumbsup: peace out.

[sarah louise]

From these last images it looks more like magnesium deficiency than nute burn to me (ie yellow leaves with green veins, giving the leaf a striped appearence).

[HEMPSHAWN]

K WELL HERES MY UPDATE, ive been growing this plant for 1 month now, i know shes a lil stunted due to improper ph in the begginning of grow. i have purchased ph down from meijer's and it has made a dramatic change in my plants health(for the good ofcourse) and i really want to thank you guys for helping me get the begginers hang of hydro. becomes kinda neccessary during winter around here. I am going to indoor gardens on friday to get better nutes, ive been debating on advanced Nutrients and general Hydroponics, ive seen there similiary priced but ive also been reading that advanced was specifically formulated for mmj. any suggestions on this issue would be great.

as you can see by the pics she is starting to really get her side shoots growing, not sure if this rapid growth is due to PH or the fact i topped her. i topped her about 2 days ago, the "wound" is still healing i believe cause its still green in the middle of the stalk. someone said i should expect her to get back on track in a week, i just used a pair of sterilized scissors and got a lil above the node below and just under the new growth. hypothetically speaking how much is the normal expectation in size increase during flowering? i would like to keep her around 2-3 ft max. didnt want to go with a lst or screen method, just natural until i get my feet wet ya know.

[redtails]

2-3x in size, possibly less if your plant matures quicker (dwarf strains).

[HEMPSHAWN]

so shes about 10inches now, im gonna go with advanced i think, but when i do the nutrient switch i planned on lettin her veg for another week and than slide down to 12/12. so that would give me right what i was after than, atleast i hope lol.

[Rusty Trichome]

No one should use it and I don't know how the rumor got started to use it, but it shouldn't be used.
Wow...I've used it in emergencies for years. Amber (my wife) get's pissed when I use all the lemon juice while waiting for my phDown to arrive. (she loves her lemon juice)
Granted it's not a good permanent solution, but in a pinch...

[polishpollack]

Oh, I understand it's acidic. Every time I have it in salad I get terrible heartburn, lol. However I wasn't very complete in that answer. After reading through this thread again I suspect a change in fert is something to try, like Supernatural as it has pH buffers in it. Just a thought really. But I still believe soil for most people is easiest. I imagine there are those who think I'm wrong but if you're good in hydro, I say more power to ya. In soil pH tends to be less of a problem.

[sarah louise]

Hope things are running more smoothly for you Shawn.


But I still believe soil for most people is easiest. I imagine there are those who think I'm wrong but if you're good in hydro, I say more power to ya. In soil pH tends to be less of a problem.

I expect you haven't tried coco yet? I've found it definitely easier than managing soil... no over watering, no compaction, better thermal insulation, faster growth and bigger buds. And pH? Well I haven't had any problems at all, never had to adjust it and this year haven't even checked it yet, but I will before flowering, just to be sure. What more could you ask for?

The thing that got me to try it in the first place is that a coco and perlite mix (even when sodden) is much lighter than pots of soil, with arthritis that is an important factor.

sara.

[polishpollack]

No, I haven't tried coco. How do you fert? I like to mix powder fert in potting soil as it's set and forget. What do you do?

[sarah louise]

No, I haven't tried coco. How do you fert?

Same way you provide nutrients in any other hydroponic system... soluble nutrients in water.


I like to mix powder fert in potting soil as it's set and forget.

As far as growing goes, hydro need not be considered 'harder' than soil growing, but yes, I will admit, you can take a much more half arsed approach in soil and still get some sort of result. You're much less likely to get away with it in hydroponics.