Blue Mystic grow log...

[GetThisOrDie]

Whats up...

So finally got my strawberry male done and gone with pollen in the freezer. My Blue Mystic beans cracked in less than 6 hours so I am pumped to see what they can do.

Now this will be my 2nd attempt at hydro. First was my strawberry male that did great. Will be using two 5 gallon DWC buckets with Fox Farms nutes. Rockwool plugs in hydroton, 3" netpots, and a UFO style LED inside my homebox tent.

Hopefully some people with a hydro green thumb can keep an eye on these girls with me in case I run into any problems!

Must go drill holes in my buckets now. Will update with pics later tonight!

[GetThisOrDie]

Here are the pics I promised.

Pic #1 - Shows the future location of my girls. The two 5 gallon buckets will be DWC fem Blue Mystics and the smaller black bucket will be a transplant dank bagseed in soil.

Pic #2 - My LED and home made air scrubber with a 196cfm fan that exhausts outside.

Pic #3 - The bagseed that im going to transplant into the tent. (hopefully its also a lady)

Pic #4 - My cat Jasper inspecting the inside of my bucket and assuring me everything is good to go!

[LOC NAR on probation]

Sweet setup. I want some of that blue with the eyeballs. LOL

They took blue mistic from me and I have not ordered it again. Interested to see how you like it. I will be following your grow.

[Rubberbubbler]

Nice looking plant. Good job on the homemade carbon scrubber. Do you have a pre filter for your carbon scrubber? It will last longer

[EvilCartman]

My Blue Mystic beans cracked in less than 6 hours so I am pumped to see what they can do.

Now this will be my 2nd attempt at hydro. First was my strawberry male that did great. Will be using two 5 gallon DWC buckets with Fox Farms nutes. Rockwool plugs in hydroton, 3" netpots, and a UFO style LED inside my homebox tent.

Cool, I've seen 2 grows of the Blue Mystic, the variation among the different phenos is incredible. Definitely an interesting plant to grow. :thumbsup:

I won't be much help, but I'm pullin' up a chair for this. Been toying with the idea of a DWC/Drip bucket myself, maybe I'll learn something. :cool:

[GetThisOrDie]

Thanks for checking my grow out guys!

Hey Rubberbubbler... Whats a pre filter? lol...

Put my cracked beans in the rockwool this morning at 4am and when I woke up they were already poking up out of the plugs. I hope they turn out good because this is my first time using rockwool and im always nervous using new methods...


Sorry about the crappy quality pics guys... I have to use a cell phone because I lost my usb wire for my camera :(

[GetThisOrDie]

Ok so I ordered a memory card reader for my PC. Should be getting better pics in 4-7 days...

[Rubberbubbler]

a pre filter is just a filter that goes over your carbon filter to filter dust or anything that will clog your carbon prematurely.

[GetThisOrDie]

Oh is it that like big white foam thing i see strapped to the ones they sell for crazy money online?

I dont have a pre-filter... Ive been having to clean the dust and such off of the outside often though. Maybe I should find some of that material... Hmmm.

Do you know what it is called and where I can get it?

[GetThisOrDie]

Just checked them and I had to help one out. She got the shell off but had that semi clearish crap wrapped tightly on her and her leaves were getting squashed. Had to cut it off to be sure.

I had one before that was doing that... It never was able to get out and I ended up losing it. :(

[tinytoon]

next grow use Rapid Rooters instead or RW, is alot more forgiving than RW is.
check in the sewing section or Walmart and see if they have that foam you are looking for.

[GetThisOrDie]

Thanks for the info Tiny... One of the seedlings seems to just keep pushing up out of the RW instead of growing in it.... Getting a tad worried. I ripped some RW off from the side and wrapped it around the bottom of the seedling for support. Hopefully it will get a good hold inside and start growing down into it.

[martyrprojekt]

hey bro...don't stress this...they are coming out the right way. Sit back and watch the grass grow! :thumbsup:

[GetThisOrDie]

Ya I need to chill out. Its just they are the first beans ive actually paid for so I want them to be as good as they can be. Just have to smoke a couple bowls and relax.

[GetThisOrDie]

UPDATE: Well the one seedling that I had to help out of the shell is not looking so good.
It hasnt grown at all in the past days and the round leaves are starting to yellow and zero root growth. The other one though is reaching for the sky! So I guess I will only have one Blue Mystic and the bagseed growing. I dont want to have to pop another bean and try again. Need to get this train movin!

[martyrprojekt]

Getthis...when the bean is sticking to the leaf...leave it be. It will eventually fall off when the first leaves die off. I have fallen victim to "helping" the seed out...and it lead to disaster for that seedling.

Good luck...cant wait to see more pictures as this log progresses.

[PirotTreasur421]

I've always found it good to "help out" if it's being stubborn for over a day. Otherwise it will stunt the growth and never catch up with the rest of them.

[tinytoon]

here's a simple one, who helps take off that stubborn husk out in nature?

NOBODY!!!!

Leave it be and let nature do it's thing. we supply nutes, water, O2, light and alot of tlc but some things that got to do on their own :jointsmile:

[Prodaytrader]

that stubborn husk causes death in nature. I see nothing wrong with helping a poor bean out if it's having trouble. I had two beans do this to me, the first I let go too long and it ended up deforming the first leave pretty badly. The second husk was firmly wrapped around my second plant so I slit it open and out popped a full leave all crinkled up inside like a party favor or something. I was really shocked as I am certain the plant would have died without my help. I bet most people help their beans when they start to struggle like that.

[GetThisOrDie]

I too lost a bean from not helping it. I understand the whole nature thing and what not but nature doesnt pay its hard earned money for beans lol.
Maybe after I breed and have a ton of quality beans then I would be more inclined to risk them.

Anyways... I had taproots showing out of the RW this morning so she was inserted into her new 5gallon home. Also transplanted the unknown sex bagseed into a bigger pot after it was showing signs of being rootbound. When I pulled the mass out of the small pot it was almost a solid white root mass. I kept it in there as long as I could to slow its growth. Trying to give the hydro girl time to catch up.

I just hope the LED isnt too strong of red for the little ones... Ive read posts with people saying their seedling just keeled over after being introduced to the heavy red LEDs. It does have a bunch of blue LEDs on it as well so hopefully they do fine. I usually let my plants veg in a box with CFLs until 8"-10" then I send them into the tent with the LED.

Im trying 3" net pots instead of the 2" im used to so I couldnt let them veg in my mini hydro setup that fits in my veg box. I didnt want to resize the holes to 3" just yet... Hope it doesnt bite me in the ass later.

Pic 1 - Shows inside view of the tent. The soil transplant looking very unhappy.

Pic 2 - A closer view of the girl and her little sister in the dome trying to stay alive. :(

[GetThisOrDie]

Ok so my USB card reader is in and now I can take some better pics!

Just need to learn how to use my camera lol...

Anyways I just wanted to do some test shots.

Pic 1 - Closeup of the girl

Pic 2 - Could this be a christmas miracle?! This is the seedling that I was sure was doomed. A good friend of mine suggested breaking up the RW a bit to get oxygen to the root. That was at 4am... now almost 10am and the leaves have doubled in size and it pushed itself out maybe 1/4 to 1/2".

Transplanted one is still angry but seems to be making a full recovery.

:thumbsup:

[scrumby]

i jumped on the kitty pic right away

[EvilCartman]

Pic 2 - Could this be a christmas miracle?! This is the seedling that I was sure was doomed.

That's pretty sweet! Nice save! :thumbsup:

As far as helping the seed, I would have done the same thing if dealing with only a couple beans. Hell, put 'em in ICU! :D

If starting a *bunch*, they get no help, survival of the fittest is a good thing...genetically speaking. :)

[GetThisOrDie]

So I ordered some Superthrive... Anyone got any comments or info on how to use it?

I also topped my soil plant. It is bushy as hell now. Fully recovered from the transplant and looking great. Nice lime green new growth.

Still waiting for roots to come out of the netpot on girl#1

Girl#2 is doing great! Its finally busting multiple roots out of the RW. She will go into her own bucket in the next 1-2 days.

[tinytoon]

1 drop per gallon of water as label says on the Superthrive. Do NOT use during flowering.

[GetThisOrDie]

Good to know. Is it safe for seedlings?

[tinytoon]

aye it is. safe from day 1 till you start to flower. clones, seedlings and veg cycle :thumbsup:

[sarah louise]

here's a simple one, who helps take off that stubborn husk out in nature?

No one, in nature many seedlings die.

[tinytoon]

ok I revoke my statement on the husk stuck to the seedling already, can we please move on?? Anybody on here an expert besides Stinky? I never claimed to be. I made a statement on what I would personally do or have done. In no way shape or form would I intentionally give someone any advice that I know to be wrong.

Sorry Getthis I didnt mean to screw up your thread and glad to see the miracle.

[GetThisOrDie]

Tiny dude dont worry... im not one to get angry at people so no need to appologize. I am thankful to you for even posting in my thread. Any info you or anyone else has to share with me, I will be thankful and gladly take it into consideration. If I didnt then how would I learn anything??


Im on my lunch hour so I will post some more info about progress when I get home... Hope to see some more harvest pics Tiny! Your buds looked great!

PLUS I got my superthrive in the mail today so im excited to see what it can do for my girls.

[Deejay2163]

Tinytoon : Thanks for the info about the superthrive.I was not aware that using it during flower is a bad thing. If you can explicate on this with the reason that it's not good it would help me to more fully understand it. Thank you and Getthis, I didn't mean to hijack your thread .

[GetThisOrDie]

Im sitting here looking at this superthrive bottle trying to figure out whats in it lol... Does it make the plant stretch during flower or something?


I will be trying a few drops in my bucket at around 4am. I will be taking some more pics in the next day or two. Trying to find the right ppm still and waiting for the roots to come out of the netpot.

Question... If you somehow put too much superthrive will it kill the girls??

[tinytoon]

I have not heard of plants OD'ing on Superthrive but I would imagine it is close to everything else as in there is always too much you can give. As for the reason not to use during flower, when I first started using ST I posted on here that I was using it and our long lost Guru of Growing, Stinkyattic, advised me that one of the compounds in ST is not what you want the plants to get during flower. Right this min I cant remember exactly what it was that she said was the compound but I will try to look back and find the name of it for yall. I also have tried to play with ST a lil bit dosage wise, never really went way outside what they recommend and didnt really see much diff between rec dosage and what I was trying (think maybe I tried doubling but been awhile). From all that I have read about ST it seems that it is basically a vitamin boost and helps as a stress reliever. Also suppose to help with root development so using on clones and using when changing from like clone table to your main grow setup is recommended. I'll go see about finding the name of that compound.

Later :jointsmile:

[LOC NAR on probation]

St is B vitamins and hormones for good root development.

When your plant goes into flower cycle it turns away from the root system and focuses on Buds. If the ST is still there the plants are confused as to where to put the energy.

Hormones make the world go round.

[tinytoon]

and dont it figure we want female plants, maybe if they get to much ST they end up with plant PMS?

Sorry I couldn't resist after the Hormone post hehe :D

[tinytoon]

here it is http://boards.cannabis.com/1950067-post15.html

[Deejay2163]

Thanks guys. I can always depend on y'all for advice and info. ^5s and thanks again.

[GetThisOrDie]

Whats up everyone...

Its been almost a week since the last update with pics so here goes it.

Ive been slowly adding nutes and increasing the ppm for the young ladies.
They seem to be able to handle a good amount.

The unknown strain in soil on the other hand... is very sensitive to nutes and PH. If the water is anything but 6.8 it shows negative signs. First plant ive dealt with that didnt have a tolerable range of PH. I topped it about 3 days ago and the new tops are coming in. Was my first time trying "topping". Also doing a little LST'ing with it.

On to the Superthrive... Wow. This stuff is great! After basically one day with it the roots on the young ladies have doubled in size and are now coming out of the net pots! Cant wait until they have their feet in the water.

Pic 1 - Superthrive! get some!

Pic 2 - Lady#1

Pic 3 - Lady#2 dubbed "The Miracle"

Pic 4 - Healthy roots reaching for the juice!

[GetThisOrDie]

Here are some more pics of the soil bagseed.

Pic 1 - Its become nice and bushy after topping. Hope its a girl!

Pic 2 - Shows new growth at the top and also some LST work.

Pic 3 - Shows some healthy lime green growth... Lovely.

Temps stay between 79-82F with one warm day so far that hit 84F. I miss my old grow space where I had AC and was able to keep it at a solid 72-75F.

Thanks for looking everyone and hope to hear any comments or advice.

[GetThisOrDie]

Forgot to add that I started to give the hydro a little bit of FF Big Bloom. Trying to follow the FF schedule as best I can. I wouldnt mind trying there solubles but they are a bit expensive for me right now. The names are sweet though! Open Sesame, Beastie Bloomz, and Cha Ching.

Anybody else use Fox Farms? If so how is the nute schedule they post? Work well for everyone?

[EvilCartman]

Its been almost a week since the last update with pics so here goes it.

Nice! Those roots headin' south, look hungry! :)
The "topping" on the soil plant went well. :thumbsup: Did it trigger much branching?
Here's to hoping ya got a girl!!

I wish I could give ya some useful feedback on the FF stuff, but I'm using it all for the first time myself. So far, so good. In soil, though.

[tinytoon]

looking real good :thumbsup:

[GetThisOrDie]

Thanks guys... Ya the topping literally turned it into a bush. All the side shoots flew out and its wider than it is tall now. Just noticed on my lunch break that the far back shoots are already touching the back of the tent. Its great!

[GetThisOrDie]

GOOD NEWS.

just went to adjust the LST on the unknown soil one... its a girl! Got female preflower. Nice and white pistols. So happy... Going to have a tent full of buds now. Plus ill be able to compare her being topped to the others in my own experiment to see which is best for me.


Plus she is getting this serious smell... its like tropical, maybe like old mangos. Its gross yet awesome at the same time. lol...

[tinytoon]

there is alot about this that can be f#$ked up and awesome at same time hehe :bonghit:

[GetThisOrDie]

Ive been slowly increasing the PPMs to my hydro girls tuning it to their specific needs...

Increased the nutes to Lady#1 to 650ppm today and she pushed out a new node by the end of the day. Lady#2 who was behind by several days and lots of stress has been increased to 350ppm and she is reaching her leaves to the sky.

The soil girl is healthy and I am trying to slow her growth to let the hydro catch up. I have lowered her nutes to 1/4 and continue to LST her. Cant wait to go into 12/12 because she will definitely be the biggest plant ive attempted. Hope her bucket size will last. Not sure of the size but its just a tad smaller than 5 gallon.

[tinytoon]

If you are worried about bucket size then you might want to address that now instead of later :jointsmile:

[GetThisOrDie]

Good idea... I was thinking that I need to go buy another 5gallon but I remembered I have a few outside that I used for a soil grow awhile ago. I wish I could find good soil around here.

I will probably transplant it this week sometime.

On another note, I hope my carbon filter is up to the challenge. I checked the ladies this morning and good god the soil one smells super strong. Was so strong that the smell stuck to the inside of my mouth and nose. Had to go use listerine. Nasty girl!
It doesnt smell "bad" but its just so strong its overpowering. Wife said either mangos or peaches. I say mangos that are almost spoiled...

[GetThisOrDie]

After topping the soil girl about one week ago or so she has really pumped out the side branches and is almost an even canopy with some LST on the main stem. So many secondary tops that I lose count when trying. Even with the very low amount of nutes she refuses to slow down.

She is also showing more and more female preflowers which make me happy. :)

Also due for a res change on the DWC. Hopefully I have time tomorrow morning to do it.

[tinytoon]

check this out for odor control http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-faqs/59316-diy-inexpensive-odour-neutraliser.html have not made 1 myself yet but plan to :thumbsup:

[GetThisOrDie]

Might have to try something like that... thanks for the link Tiny.


Was looking at Lady#2 and noticed its 3 pointed leaves... one of them the smaller point part is actually attached to the big part. Its hard to explain. Ill take pics in a little bit at 4am when they wake up.

[GetThisOrDie]

Ok its time for an update...

Lady#1 is finally getting her feet wet and starting to grow good. The roots are getting long with tons of "branching". Might be difficult to pull the netpot out soon from possible root damage so I took what might be one of the last root pics of her. She is also showing light shades of blue in her leaves which makes me smile from ear to ear everytime I look at her. From what I read not every Blue Mystic turns blue so this is great.

Lady#2 still growing on the slow side since her birth. Like I tried to explain before, one of the blades on her 3 pointed leaf is actually fused seamlessly to the big middle blade. Never see anything like it but im sure it was caused by the problems it had getting out of the husk. Looks kind of like a maple leaf.

Bagseed is now dubbed Lady#3 since ive found female preflowers. I have been giving her low amounts of nutes to try and slow her down to let the other ones catch up. After a few days of that she wasnt happy at all so last night I gave her a full dose of nutes in PH corrected water. This morning she again looked great and is still stinky. Still LST and she almost has an even canopy. She is about 1 month veg if I remember correctly... Thats the longest ive ever vegged before since I grew in smaller cabs before I got this tent. She has tons of future bud sites so im thinking she will have a nice yield.

Temps are back down to 70f at night and 74f-76f during the day.

Later today im going to try to find some good soil and transplant Lady#3 into a 5gallon bucket. Also changing the res' for the others.

Pics below.

:smokin:

[GetThisOrDie]

Pic 1 - Shows Lady#2 and her deformed blade on the top most leaf in the pic. (explained above)

Pic 2 - Shows Lady#1 and her blueish tones.

Pic 3 - Again Lady#1 from above.

Pic 4 - Shows Lady#1 from below. Go roots!

[GetThisOrDie]

Some more pics...


Pic 1 - Shows Lady#3 in all her glory. Lost of future bud sites! Even more on the back side that you cant see in the pic.

Pic 2 - Closeup of some of her new growth. Super green!

Pic 3 - Shows her main stem that was topped and the new shoots coming out.

[EvilCartman]

Ok its time for an update...

Lady#1 is finally getting her feet wet and starting to grow good. She is also showing light shades of blue...


Nice!



Lady#2 still growing on the slow side since her birth. Like I tried to explain before, one of the blades on her 3 pointed leaf is actually fused seamlessly to the big middle blade.

Might just be her personality. :) Leaf deformities are pretty common. I babysat some BM clones this summer and one of the variations exhibited a wicked twisting and deforming of the leaves, coloration was *quite* blue. My friend keeps a small cut as a decorative plant, it's so freaky looking that it's hard to even tell it's cannabis. :wtf:

Lookin' good! :greenthumb:

[GetThisOrDie]

Bought a thermometer today to check my res temps...

Was around 73f or 74f in the day... Seems to be pretty good. I guess I dont have to get fish tank heaters now. When I felt the buckets I swore that it was cold as shit in there... guess not lol.

[GetThisOrDie]

So I wake up this morning to 20 some inches of snow and its still coming down hard. Hope my power doesnt go out because my DWC will probably be a goner.

Had some weird slime in Lady#1 bucket so I had to do an uncheduled res change and also changed the airstones because they were covered. Tossed a little h2o2 in after the change for the roots. Everything looks good now. I think there are tiny light leaks from not having enough hydroton in the baskets. Going to presoak some more today.


It is nice though to sit outside and hit the bong... because you can just set it down in the snow and its ice cold for the next puff!

[GetThisOrDie]

After 30+ inches and 2 1/2 hours of digging. My truck is finally free from its snowed in parking spot...

My girls survived on battery powered air pumps for about 8 hours. Thankfully 6 of those were their normal dark time. Power is back and all three look good.

Lady#1 who had all that slime is now just recovering. Lady#2 is still creeping along growing fine.

Question about RW... Is it bad if it dries out? Been having an issue with Lady#1 and her cube drying out. If I let the water level sink a bit her cube dries and gets a little hard. Seems to stress her out if that happens. Its my first time using the RW starter plugs and am wondering what you guys have to say about it...

Still havent transplanted Lady#3 yet. Going to do so when I flip the lights...


Ill post some pics tonight hopefully.

[tinytoon]

takes quite a bit for RW to "dry" out, I'm guessing your talking bout just the top of the cube, if so dont sweat it to much and next time use rapid Rooters :thumbsup:

[GetThisOrDie]

Ya im definitely going to use something other than RW next time. Everyone seems to say rapid rooters. Ill give them a go. Pics coming in a couple of hours when they wake up.

[GetThisOrDie]

Ok so heres an update.

Lady#3 is looking great showing more female preflowers and still stinking up the tent. She continues to grow out instead of up and is almost as wide as the tent. I have been trimming her here and there to allow more light to the developing tops. I also dried one of her leaves and tried it out. Pretty good for a leaf.

Lady#2 is growing but slowly. She is starting to look great with no more lead deformities.

Now on to Lady#1...
She has been giving me problems and now im stuck on what to do so im going to post pics here and start a troubleshooting thread.

Originally she had some weird brownish/clear slime growing in the res. Especially on the air stones. The water was also abnormally cloudy looking so I did a res change and tossed a capful of h2o2. She perked back up after that. Now I checked again and the slime is on her roots now and she is not happy at all. She stopped growing and her tops became real tight almost like they do when they start flowering. She had signs of nute burn before the slime so I backed the ppm down to 550-600 from 750-800. The spots on her leaves seem to keep spreading even after dropping the PPM. Also her leaves feel real dry like shes not getting any water. Using FF grow big and a dose of FF big bloom every other week. How much h2o2 is an appropriate dose?

Hope someone out there can help because I cant afford to lose this medicine. Its for me and my father who is really sick.


Pic 1 - Shows whats going on with her leaves.
Pic 2 - Top view. Looks like when you first flip the lights and the flowering begins to me.
Pic 3 - Same view as pic 1 but zoomed out.
Pic 4 - The slime! Evil!

[GetThisOrDie]

Here are some update pics of the others. They are looking great.

Pic 1 - Shows Lady#2.
Pic 2 - Lady #3
Pic 3 - Lady #3 in the trippy LED light.
Pic 4 - Some nice alternating nodes.
Pic 5 - Shows some nice growth.

[tinytoon]

5 ml per gal or 1 tsp per gal which ever ya got lying around hehe

[GetThisOrDie]

Ok so the h2o2 had basically no effect on the slime and there is alot more now. Her entire root zone is turning brown and she has her leaves pointed down... sigh.

[GetThisOrDie]

So I did alot of digging around on the net and found what it is.

Its called Brown Algae. H2o2 and any other remedy for "root rot" wont work for this.
It feeds on organic matter and uses up all of the oxygen in the water, suffocating the plants. From what I read res chillers/temp or light tightness does not prevent this.
The only product on any forum or site listed that can combat brown algae is Physan 20.
Ordered mine today but afraid it wont get here in time. Noticed it starting in my other DWC... So this Blue Mystic grow ends up being a loss and learning experience. I still have the soil girl.

[tinytoon]

if all you used was 1 capfull I would suggest trying again at the 5ml per gal. I had kinda same looking thing going on in my bucket and it worked for me. If not sorry to hear you ran into a snag.

[the image reaper]

H202 should clear that up, don't be afraid to dose her good, (dying anyway, nothing to lose) ... good luck :smokin:

[GetThisOrDie]

Thanks for the replies but I tried using 5ml/G but it just made the slime bigger. Article said something like it feeds on the oxygen from the h2o2. She already died.

Im hoping the other one can last until the Physan 20 gets here. I dont see much of it on it. Im sure it got in there though since I used the same kitchen spoon to stir around the solution in both res.

[GetThisOrDie]

Ok so I got my Physan-20 but I havent dosed the second DWC yet. She had some slime starting but somehow it seems like she over came it. Its going away on its own with no h2o2. Hopefully I wont have to use the Physan since the sites I read says it shocks your plants alot. She is still growing super slow but I cant figure out why. Maybe a slow growing pheno?? She looks good though... Going to grab another tent for her and flip this other bush in my current tent. Was looking at Grow Lab 40 mother tent. Anybody have experience with grow lab? Says its made by Homebox. Ill post more + pics later.

[tinytoon]

there is some stuff I've been reading about that is an enzyme that basically feeds on dead stuff and converts into usable, name is hygrozyme or something along that line. It reads like a preventer :thumbsup:

[LOC NAR on probation]

Hygorzyme is more a preventer but With the fight on root rot I had to try something. We have a tub with 6 plants, all were developing the rot and roots turning brown but not killing the plants. Gave them just less than half dose on the bottle. After just changing the water once the roots are looking sooo much better and whiter and much new root growth. This will be a regular in the mix from now on. I would take it up more but don't want to shock them if it's working. Yeilds will be much better I'm sure.

Highly recomended for any stage of rot.

Interested to know how the Physan works on the brown algea as we have seen it before and dumped the whole thing trying to clean.

[GetThisOrDie]

Ok here are the pics I promised...

Pic 1 - Shows Lady#2 and her slow going zzz.
Pic 2 - Shows her under growth.
Pic 3 - Her roots. The brown stuff grabbed ahold of her very bottom roots again as you can see in the pic. If it gets any worse I will Physan.
Pic 4 - My newest weapon, Physan 20.
Pic 5 - Pic of her basking in the LEDs.

[GetThisOrDie]

Here are pics of the soil girl. She is looking great. Her LST is working good. Im going to pull some of the tops on the right closer to the light today.

My new tent should be here in a few days so I will move the DWC into it with a CFL lighting setup to continue her slow veg. My old tent will then flip lights and she will get her transplant and start the bud train rollin! I am very excited to see what the soil girl can do since ive never vegged a plant this big because of my smaller cabs I used before.

[tinytoon]

Getthis .... looking good :thumbsup:

Loc ... thanks for verification, stuff just got higher on the shopping list hehe

[GetThisOrDie]

Quick question... does h2o2 stress them? Or do they like it?

[tinytoon]

have not noticed any stress on Mama, pics or her later, in fact when doing water change it is now part of the mix till I get that hygor stuff

[GetThisOrDie]

Ok so santa decided to bring me a new Sony DSLR camera late and now I have to figure out how to use it!

Took some great pics with a 55mm lense but they are way above the max file size... hmm... Ill have to lower the capture size from 12 megapixels to fit on here.

Lady#2 in DWC has almost doubled in size the past couple of days. Very happy about that. Seems she is finally starting to grow. Havent had to use the Physan yet.

Lady#3 in soil is doing good as well. She looks like she is wanting her transplant. The new Growlab tent should be here in a couple days, then she will get repotted and lights flipped...cant wait.

Pic 1 - Finally was able to get a shot of Lady#3's preflowers. Right next to one of her tie downs.

Pic 2 - Can see the bulbous trichs all over her leaves if you zoom in. I think thats what they are called... I think it was Italiano who told me their name.

Pic 3 - Tent view.

Sorry about the quality of the photography... Going to be a rookie with this new camera for a long while.

[GetThisOrDie]

So I had to contact the place where I ordered my new tent... oops they didnt send it and now are sending it first thing monday. Sigh.

I have been trimming some leaves off here and there to let light down onto other tops on the soil girl. It is working great! Had to get some crappy Scotts potting soil for her transplant. Also going to mix it with MG perlite that has nutes infused in it which im not too happy about but I couldnt find any other type.

The DWC Blue Mystic is doing good as well. Still havent had to Physan. I positioned some CFLs on her sides and her side growth has exploded over the past day.

I will post pics around 4am when they wake up. Should be just a few more days waiting on the tent until I can flip the big soil girl! Cant wait!

[GetThisOrDie]

Here are some pics of the ladies.

Lady#2 is doing good. I placed CFLs on her side to pull out some growth. Its working good. There are no signs of bad root health. They are stained from nutes and im not going to worry about it if she is growing strong and healthy. She seems to be liking the PPM at around 700-720. Constantly between 5.8 and 6.0. I have been taking a dropper and spraying her upper roots/net pot area with solution every day and the roots seem to like it.


Pic 1 - Lady #2 the Blue Mystic.
Pic 2 - Shows her side growth.
Pic 3 - Closer view of side growth.
Pic 4 - Happy roots.

[GetThisOrDie]

Lady #3 is still going strong even with 1/4 nutes to slow her down. She still seems like she only wants 6.8ph exactly. If I give her 6.9 she shows it. I know she is going to have a great yield from her size. I plan on making butter out of her trim and popcorn buds so I wont be trimming her lower half as much. She puts out big new leaf sets on every top about every 24 hours or less. Her smell is still very strong but im using ona and fresh carbon in my filter.

Pic 1 - Shows some of her growth.
Pic 2 - Lady #3
Pic 3 - Both of the ladies.

[GetThisOrDie]

I had originally planned on just using the Strawberry males pollen I grew to pollinate a couple of the lower buds on the Blue Mystic... I might also use some on this bagseed girl. She is great so far and I wonder what she would do if I gave her more nutes. She would be a monster.

[GetThisOrDie]

Ok today is day 1 of flowering for Lady #3. She got a flush as well to prepare her for the transplant within the next couple of days. Trimmed a few leaves on her lower areas to improve airflow as well.

Lady #2 has a new home now. Growlab 40... She got a res change when she changed tents.

In case anyone wants to see the tent contruction ill post a few pics as well as some from the girl in her new tent.

Pic 1 - Contents of box.
Pic 2 - Frame construction.
Pic 3 - Shows the top mounting rails. Says they are good up to 110 pounds.
Pic 4 - Unwrapping the tent.
Pic 5 - Installing the frame.

[GetThisOrDie]

Here are some pictures of lady #2 in her new home. She is looking healthy and growing. Plan on vegging her for a week or so then she will join the other girl in the flowering tent.

[GetThisOrDie]

Pic 1 - The tent completed and portable enough to easily assemble and move around.
Pic 2 - This is the gear im putting in the tent for now. Bulbs are 26w 6500k CFLs. Dont remember the CFM on the inline fan but it could be better.
Pic 3 - Small fan I am using for circulation.
Pic 4 - The inside. Changed how the lights are hanging after I took this pic.

[GetThisOrDie]

So far it seems to me that the quality of this Growlab is better than my original Homebox tent. Will definitely look at Growlab when I get a bigger tent for a future flowering tent upgrade.

[tinytoon]

My tent I keep referring to is a GrowLab by Home box, it is like 5x5x7 or 4x4x7 something like that hehe. Has a 400w cooltube in it and will be featured in the next grow of 5 DWC buckets. I love the dam thing and very well priced imo :jointsmile:

[GetThisOrDie]

Hey tiny... I like the bigger Growlabs that feature viewing windows so that you dont have to open the tent to look in. Thats an awesome feature because I dont know about you but I love to smoke a bowl then come downstairs and watch the ladies dance in the breeze!

:jointsmile:

[tinytoon]

Mine has the windows you speak of, will post pics of it during course of grow so you can get a better veiw. any ?? about it I will try and answer for ya

[mainegrown]

man i really want one of these tents..
either of you have any troubles with plants getting sick??
i have heard some horror stories :(
how much does one of those things run
and where did you get YOURS?

thanks in advance
~MG

[redtails]

Dont remember the CFM on the inline fan but it could be better.

It's 80 CFM, I have one too & they do kinda suck, but it's better than nothing...

[tinytoon]

MG the tent I have and pretty much all ones being made now do not have that kill the plant syndrome. I have been running mine for about a year now and the only thing that goes on inside there is formations of Bud!!
There was some kinda vapor leeching going on with some tents a whlie ago but thing most companys got there heads out of their arses and have not heard of anyone losing plants to tent syndrome or whatever it was called, sorry cant remember very well. Fell off ladder at work today and just got home from ER a lil while ago. Morphine kinda messing with thought process atm. Got mine from BGH Hydroponics | Hydroponic Supplies (http://www.bghydro.com/) just shy of 3 bills. I have the GL120

[GetThisOrDie]

Now that you mention it... i do remember 80cfm now.

Also I paid $140 for my Homebox tent on sale and $80 for my Growlab mother tent. Cant remember the site for the homebox but I got the Growlab brant new on ebay from a hydroponics shop.

As for the horror stories... It was called "outgassing" from tents made with PVC. When PVC heats up it releases toxic gasses. They still make tents with that crappy stuff so you have to make sure it lists 100% PVC free material. All of the more expensive makers seem to have switched. Moving from small cabs I built in my closet to the use of tents was the best investment ive made so far in my hobby.

[GetThisOrDie]

Here are some pictures after 1 day of flowering. She has perked up real nice after the flush. Tons of pistols have showed up seemingly over night.

[GetThisOrDie]

Been busy lately and havent had time to update. Ive been having some issues with my DWC again... It seems when I add FF big bloom to the res it seems to stress it out and the PH rises so fast. It ended up getting some PH damage on the leaves. I gave it 1/2 strength dose. I finally dosed it with h2o2 when the ph problem was getting out of hand. By the time I left in the morning and got home from work it was near 7.0! The h2o2 seemed to fix it. This ph problem made it stop growing...and it already has been gowing so slow! She has been slow from the very start. Must be a bad pheno...

Am I doing something wrong with the big bloom?

Also another question for you guys... Ive heard many different answers so I would like some more feedback. When should I stop pruning leaves when in flower?

[mainegrown]

that is why i havent started to play with DWC yet.. its scary on the dark side! lol


~MG a.k.a. le Maine développé

[tinytoon]

we dont prune leaves so cant help ya with that one

[GetThisOrDie]

So the Scotts soil mixed with perlite is doing much better than I thought it would. She is starting to bud great. Shes not stretching too much. Seems to be about an inch between nodes. She getting stinky and her trichs are starting to show.

Picked up some really nice organic butter that im going to use to make cannabutter. That should be fun. Also picked up a satalite system that connects to my UFO and has 8x individual sockets for CFLs or LED spotlights. Also got a 9w 660nm LED spotlight to fit into one of the sockets. I will be able to point that at the shorter tops for better coverage.

I plan on polinating some lower buds at the end of this week. I think the seeds should be done by 6 weeks... if anyone can confirm that it would be cool.

Here is some bud porn... These are at 2 weeks exactly.

[GetThisOrDie]

Some more shots...

[derrickadam]

hey so im sorry if i missed this in the post.... how did you keep the little ones wattered before the roots were reaching the water??? did you just keep the bucket full to the brim???? also how is the roots lookin now?? any sludge?? no root rot?? im debating on soil, deepwater, or areo ponics for the next go round. and also how many times do you have to top off the water in the bucket???? man this makes me wanna go this rout. alot less gear required than a areo set up. :hippy:

[tinytoon]

Aero is real tricky and sensitive DWC is alot easier for sure

[GetThisOrDie]

If you keep the water level high when they are young then the bubbles splash the bottom side of the net pot. Thats enough to keep them watered.

No rot. I top the bucket off every 1-2 days. Its more frequent when they get bigger or if your temps are high they will drink more.

Aero seems cool but man it seems complicated and theres alot of construction involved.

As far as choosing your grow method... It all depends on your situation. If you dont have alot of time to devote to checking PH and nute levels then maybe go soil. Unless you can afford equipment that does all that for you.

:jointsmile:

[GetThisOrDie]

Got my satalite and LED spotlight in...

The LED is super bright and its focused on a small area so wherever you point it theres a serious boost in light. I have mine locked on three shorter tops... hoping it will raise them up closer to the canopy. I pointed it at my face with my eyes closed and it is still super intense light. Pretty cool...

24 hour temp test with the CFLs... After two hours on a warm day today it stayed at 81f with them on. Hoping I can add a 42w and two more 23w CFLs.
If the temp is good then I will lower the lights so the CFLs are closer.
Hopefully the spotlight works good so I can order another.

Heres some snaps.

[superskunk1]

WOW i must say that is an awesome setup...

was it purchased like that or did you make it your self, i bet that girl is loving the light its getting

[GetThisOrDie]

Thanks...

The UFO and the satellite socket setup were purchased seperately. I had been looking at it for awhile at hid hut but didnt want to spend that much for it. Luckily they just put it on sale so I grabbed one... its great! Came with mounting brackets and hardware and extra fuses.

check it out here.
Supernova LED - UFO LED Grow Lights - - The Satellite System works perfectly with the LED UFO. (http://www.hidhut.com/catalog/satellite-system-for-ufo-led-grow-lights-p-1760.html?osCsid=6e28172e29ab37530c5fd220fd48ea06)

Also this LED spotlight is working lovely. The side buds and tops I pointed it at are bigger and just loaded with trichs now. Having the flexability to point it anywhere with the socket system is awesome.

Pics are showing the trichs from under the 660nm for one day. In pic two you can even see some rogue cat hair stuck in the sticky resin. Check out her sweet yellow hairs too...

[jakeyman]

Awesome setup and great results so far.. DWC is what I have in mind for an upcomming grow, do you use the nute tables that fox produces?

[GetThisOrDie]

Thanks... yup I use this as a guideline.

http://www.foxfarmfertilizer.com/hydrofeed.pdf

[GetThisOrDie]

Ok so my PH pen has been acting up... Im sure its my fault by not storing it correctly. I ordered a new one yesterday so the plant is going to go a few exrta days without water. If need be I will just try the color coded test on plain water.

This new pen will be stored in storage solution at all times!


Plants look great. Trimmed the under growth some today. I wanted to pollinate this weekend but the buds arent the size I wanted them to be so im pushing it back until next weekend.

[GetThisOrDie]

tomorrow will be 3 weeks...

Seems like she stopped stretching. Her fruity aroma is getting stronger.

[tinytoon]

Purty!!! :thumbsup:

[GetThisOrDie]

Ok so I did a temperature test with 6x 23w CFLs, the LED bulb, and a 42w CFL. Looking good so far. Temps stayed between 81f - 83f right under the lights at the canopy. That should be a decent amount of light added. The UFO was doing fine by itself, I just figured why not and added more light to the setup.

While I was screwing in a bulb my arm rubbed against one of the colas and I was blessed with an aroma something like a fruity drink... reminded me of Kool-Aid. For the next 20 minutes I was walking around sniffing my arm and getting weird looks from my wife. Even my cat jumped on me and didnt want to stop smelling my arm. Yummy!

[LOC NAR on probation]

Some times when I fell down. I just go into the flower room and rub them all over my face and it cheers me up alot. For the next 2 or 3 hours it light paradise. LOL

Thinking of starting a whole line of Colonges that smell like buds. Then let some punk cop say " I smell something. "

[tinytoon]

Pepe Le Pot :jointsmile:

[GetThisOrDie]

Just went outside to medicate :thumbsup:

About a foot of snow and still coming down... Temperature according to my trucks display it was 9 degrees f. Supposed to be below zero later with windchill so im watching my temps very closely. I have brought in a space heater for use later. My grow room is a spare bedroom in the basement. Tents are located near the window which is at ground level outside. Gets cold because the house has bad duct work down here.

[tinytoon]

I fight the same problems here .... house built in the 1800's but my biggest fear is loss of power, no generator or anything here :wtf:

[LOC NAR on probation]

Pepe Le Pot :jointsmile:

You just named the first line of colonges. LOVE IT. LOL.
I think I'll start a PEPE campainge. Might have to change my nic.


Oh, I was out yesterday firing up the generators just to get them ready.
Mid east coast and a blanket of ice this mourning.

[GetThisOrDie]

The tents have survived the cold. After 2 hours of shoveling my driveway im too tired to go to work...

They look great and after dosing up the tiger bloom and big bloom it seems like buds are growing bigger every night. Smells like koolaid...

[GetThisOrDie]

Ok so tomorrow will be 4 weeks of flowering. Buds are starting to get big. The cola that I have the far red spotlight on is visibly bigger and stickier!

So another blizzard is rolling through and we are expected to get 2-3 feet. Got my generator ready this time! If the power goes out my garden will be safe. I have been letting her night temps drop to 65f and her day temps are mid 70s now.

[GetThisOrDie]

Here are a couple close ups.

[GetThisOrDie]

So I finally pollinated some tops with my strawberry haze male I grew out awhile ago. Hope it works after sitting in the freezer for a couple months. Buds are doing great.

Power was out for a bit and garden was running smooth on a generator. About 3 feet of snow outside... going to be digging out for awhile.

[GetThisOrDie]

Ok so im in the middle of the 3rd blizzard this year! 4ft drifts outside...

I had the curtains open a little last night in the room with my tents. Got it down to 63f. The plants seem to be loving the cool temps. Starting to see some hairs turning orange. Buds are looking good.

Stupid cat hair on the buds again!

4 1/2 weeks flower.

[GetThisOrDie]

Heres a couple more.

In the first one you can see how much thicker and taller the cola with the far red spotlight is. Sweet! Its a bit dark because I had to move the light rig for the picture. Also if you zoom in you can see its producing much more resin as well.

[GetThisOrDie]

These pics are from 5 weeks...

[GetThisOrDie]

Has anybody tried Humbolt Honey ES? I am going to try some type of carbs next grow... was also looking at Pineapple Rush.

[crf70rider]

i used carbo loader from advanced nutrients on a outdoor hydro setup it made the buds swell and get realy dense i used flora nova bloom ,superthrieve, budswell and i flushed it for two week at the end

[GetThisOrDie]

Thanks for the info... im looking at carbo loader now. Still cant decide between the THREE now. They all sound great.

Any other info about the three anyone?? Im going to purchase within the next 3 days.

[GetThisOrDie]

So for valentines day I got my wife some "flowers"... I let her pick some buds from the tent since shes always asking if its ready yet lol. She picked a few of the smallest lower buds and they turned out to be 5.5 grams after a quick dry and a 12 hour cure in a jar.

The bud is great! Used it in my new bubbler and was very flavorfull. Was a fruity taste... awesome. I cant wait for them to be done.

[GetThisOrDie]

Heres a few I took today.

In pics 1 and 4 you can see these white puffs that are on those two tops. When I put my 420 scope on it they seem to be just giant wads of trichs bunched together.

[GetThisOrDie]

Anybody know anything about LED burning leaves??
I noticed it on a previous grow but wasnt sure... It seems late in flowering the LED burns the leaves right under it. Think the lamp should be raised?

[GetThisOrDie]

Ok so its almost 7 weeks now and from now on im using plain water and molasses every other water. Anybody know when to stop the molasses?

A tester this morning was definitely grape in smell and taste. The exhale is like very herbal at first with the grape after taste. Its great!

Hopefully I can harvest in 1-2 more weeks depending on the trichs. I suppose I will shut the lights off when I get a few ambers showing next week. I am going to try the whole lights off and ice water method for a few days.

Pics...

[GetThisOrDie]

heres some more.

[GetThisOrDie]

Starting to check the trichs every day now... Seems the lower buds trichs are turning milky before the upper big buds. Some buds are mostly milky with clear. Getting closer!

Cant wait.

[GetThisOrDie]

So the time finally came at about 4am this morning... Trimming takes forever and I got no sleep lol. Its worth it!

Waited for the big tops to get about 30% amber to use for pain and that time all the rest of it was ripe and pretty much 100% milky.

Saved the fine trim for butter but I cut my bud a little leafy for mix so theres not as much as there could be.

I will post pictures on my lunch break!

[GetThisOrDie]

The scissor hash was great... Wasnt able to get a pic of it though.
Didnt weigh it yet but I will when its dry. Theres also two more trays of bud drying in another location and one tray on the bottom of the tent thats hard to see in the pics.

[tinytoon]

nice job!! :thumbsup:

[JohnnyBlazeItUp]

Nice grow man! Congrats and enjoy the smoke! I noticed you were looking for a good carb source and i'd recommend Bud Candy from advanced nutrients. From what i understand it is essentially sweet mixed with carboload.. all i know for sure is it's great stuff!! talk about hairs out the ass and nice thick dense buds!!! I use it from wk 1 of bud up til flush and couldn't be happier.. it's not ridiculously expensive like some other additives either and it's worth the money! hope you enjoy your smoke and good luck on the next run!

Blaze

[GetThisOrDie]

Thanks for the comments guys. Going to look into that Bud Candy stuff.

Here are some pics I took right before chop!

I had hoped to get one more quick autoflower grow in before I had to move but it doesnt look like its going to happen. So my next grow will have to wait a few months until I get settled.

Next grow will be all autoflowering dwarfs. I have been curious to try them and will have between 4-6 of them.

Strains will be: Taiga, Pakistan Ryder, Afghan Kush Ryder, and White Dwarf.

[crf70rider]

buds look great i love hydro cant wait till i set mine up

[GetThisOrDie]

Ok havent updated in awhile... Been in a daze.

Total weight was 89g dry with a jar of ground shake.

Also breeding was a success! Got a handfull of seeds I will be experimenting with next grow along with my AFs. Will try Bud Candy next time.

[stupids]

here's a simple one, who helps take off that stubborn husk out in nature?

NOBODY!!!!

Leave it be and let nature do it's thing. we supply nutes, water, O2, light and alot of tlc but some things that got to do on their own :jointsmile:
Well said Tinytoon ...

It takes a strong person to grow this plant ... the weak need not apply!

[martyrprojekt]

Looking good my friend...I am back from my brief Hiatus...Now I can focus on growing some huge buds. Your girls looked amazing. Would love to smoke some of that! Definitely AAA FIRE!!!!!!!!!

Enjoy the fruits of your labor sir!:jointsmile:

[dhmessiah]

That sir, is some beautiful herb.:thumbsup::jointsmile:Did you grow all of that with the led solely? What's the wattage on that bad boy? I'm runnin a 90w ufo and am unsure of how many plants it can handle.

[GetThisOrDie]

90w UFO with added CFLs. On hot days i used about four 26w. On cool days I ran seven 26w and a 42w. The smoke was great from the lights I had.

Thanks for all the kind words guys.

Welcome back martyr... hope you can get your mites under control.