My Loss of Faith

[RoundEye]

I used to be very religious. I even married a lady that used to be a nun. Now I can't stomach the thought of it all.
Look in the eyes of a starving, dying child. Is there God? The child prays every night for nothing more than simple food. Does God answer?

If God can't answer the most simple prayer of a dying child, why would he give a fuck about anything I pray about?

If God can't protect the weakest of us all, how could we say any of us are cared for by a loving god?

I've fallen from faith and no amount of biblical teaching can make me return.

[BlueBlazer]

Welcome to the light of reason my friend. :)

[Islandborn]

Maybe the question isn't how can you believe in a god....but how do you believe in mankind who willingly lets those children die everyday?

Just a thought. Good luck with your choice, hope nothing happens when you die. Isnt that what agnostics and atheists believe? Whatever, to each his own.

[BlueBlazer]

Maybe the question isn't how can you believe in a god....but how do you believe in mankind who willingly lets those children die everyday?

I think he stated his question well. We know why mankind lets these things happen, question is why would a loving god?

[chris62008]

I think he stated his question well. We know why mankind lets these things happen, question is why would a loving god?

God doesn't necassarly let this happen. He gave people the freedom of choice and reason. People over time have just let the world get like this. and it's obviously not Gods fault but OUR own, you dumbass!

[BlueBlazer]

God doesn't necassarly let this happen. He gave people the freedom of choice and reason. People over time have just let the world get like this. and it's obviously not Gods fault but OUR own, you dumbass!

Check out the name calling Christian. Way to represent! :thumbsup:

[apocolips31]

I am sorry for the loss of your faith, but everyone will come to their own conclusions about things not matter what. I just hope things in your life help guide you back to God. We can not hope to understand everything that God does and the reasons for these events or actions. All we can do is pray and know that in the end their will be no suffering for that starving child or mourning mother.

[chris62008]

Check out the name calling Christian. Way to represent! :thumbsup:

hey im not perfect and I never said I was. Doesn't mean I won't enter heaven though.

[BlueBlazer]

hey im not perfect and I never said I was. Doesn't mean I won't enter heaven though.

Was that an apology? It sure doesn't sound like one. Sounds more like a rationalization. Just saying . . .

[RoundEye]

My question/comment was not about what man does to man, but why would a loving god allow such things to happen to those who have no ability to make a choice to do harm?

A child is guilty of nothing. All a child can do is pray. And what does God do for them?

To say God would listen to petty prayers of an adult and ignore the prayers of an innocent child defeats Gods first tenant, to protect them "bring me your weak and huddled masses"

[LOC NAR on probation]

God doesn't necassarly let this happen. He gave people the freedom of choice and reason. People over time have just let the world get like this. and it's obviously not Gods fault but OUR own, you dumbass!

Then why does he answer any prayer ? But not that of an innocent little starving child who wants hope. Do they have the choice to starve or is it our choice as Christians to let them starve ? Where are the chirstians when you need something to eat ? Lions need to eat also !

My problem with christians is how do you steal the god of Abraham from the Hebrew Jews ? The god that punishes his people to cleanse them and build character and show them tuff love. To show them life is not easy. To bind them to his will and mould them to his liking. To wander a desert for 40 years waiting for all that sinned to die off and become a pure people to whorship the way he intended. To not let the man who delivered his people from bondage cross over the Jordan into the promised land because he questioned GOD just once.

Remember in the beginning for 100 years you could not be a Christian unless you were a Hebrew Jew. Bottom line. When no more Jews were converting they started to die out. Then some of them figured they must let in any old trash to keep it going. And bring in money.

Yes and how do you turn a tuff love God into an everyones prayers are answered ?

Sorry I'm not of any tribe of Abraham. So as I see it in the eyes of this religion I do not exist.

[BlueBlazer]

This is how I see it. If God created man with self will and as a result children starve, then he is letting it happen. He knows everything right? So when he created us with self will, he knew we'd turn our backs on the starving children. In essence, he created the entire situation with full knowledge. That is the definition of letting it happen.

If you free your mind and look at religion objectively, none of them make sense. Western religions are especially psychotic in their contradictions, but that is always explained by "we can't understand why". No doubt. If you can't understand why, maybe it's because it makes no sense. Believing in things that make no sense requires a blindness of the mind. JMHO

[chris62008]

This is how I see it. If God created man with self will and as a result children starve, then he is letting it happen. He knows everything right? So when he created us with self will, he knew we'd turn our backs on the starving children. In essence, he created the entire situation with full knowledge. That is the definition of letting it happen.

If you free your mind and look at religion objectively, none of them make sense. Western religions are especially psychotic in their contradictions, but that is always explained by "we can't understand why". No doubt. If you can't understand why, maybe it's because it makes no sense. Believing in things that make no sense requires a blindness of the mind. JMHO

What created everything than smart guy? What created the atoms and dust??? YOU DON'T KNOW!!!!! Which only explains that their HAS to be somthing bigger than us out there! Your just a total ignorant who just wants to get attention from not "conforming". Everybody LIKE YOU still cannot answer questions like "what happens when you die?" or "what created time?"

[chris62008]

Then why does he answer any prayer ? But not that of an innocent little starving child who wants hope. Do they have the choice to starve or is it our choice as Christians to let them starve ? Where are the chirstians when you need something to eat ? Lions need to eat also !

My problem with christians is how do you steal the god of Abraham from the Hebrew Jews ? The god that punishes his people to cleanse them and build character and show them tuff love. To show them life is not easy. To bind them to his will and mould them to his liking. To wander a desert for 40 years waiting for all that sinned to die off and become a pure people to whorship the way he intended. To not let the man who delivered his people from bondage cross over the Jordan into the promised land because he questioned GOD just once.

Remember in the beginning for 100 years you could not be a Christian unless you were a Hebrew Jew. Bottom line. When no more Jews were converting they started to die out. Then some of them figured they must let in any old trash to keep it going. And bring in money.

Yes and how do you turn a tuff love God into an everyones prayers are answered ?

Sorry I'm not of any tribe of Abraham. So as I see it in the eyes of this religion I do not exist.


Your obviosly mistaken cuz where in the hell does it say god answers EVERY PRAYER for ANYBODY??? thats just nonsense! If the world was perfect there would be NOOO reason for us to be here than you retard!!! God doesnt have control over your everyday life. YOU make your own decisions. PEOPLE like you BLAME EVERYTHING on God and nothing on yourself. Yea it sucks that theirs starving kids out there, but how about instead of blaming GOD, YOU get your lazy ass off your couch and go do somthing about it yourself!!! Thats humans for you today folks!!! People like this guy who just want to piss and moan about everything thats wrong in this life and just want to blame it all on GOD when really its LAZY, UNCARING, SELFISH, people like YOURSELF!!!! IF EVERYBODY IN THE WORLD GAVE A SHIT THAN THERE WOULD BE NO STARVING CHILDREN!!!!! So quit blaming GOD and start blaming yourself and EVERYBODY around you!!!

[BlueBlazer]

What created everything than smart guy? What created the atoms and dust??? YOU DON'T KNOW!!!!! Which only explains that their HAS to be somthing bigger than us out there! Your just a total ignorant who just wants to get attention from not "conforming". Everybody LIKE YOU still cannot answer questions like "what happens when you die?" or "what created time?"

Who says anything has to be created? You do, but I don't. I don't need to believe in a "creator". Your logic is seriously flawed and you exhibit the mindlessness I've come to associate with your beliefs. Plus you don't seem to exhibit much of the loving nature of "Christ" with your responses here, which leads me to believe you're a hypocrite to boot. Again, nothing new.

[apocolips31]

God is both mercy and wrath, he is both anger and love.

[hachiman6677]

God is both mercy and wrath, he is both anger and love.

QFT

Isnt it for us to prove ourselves to God not the other way around? If life was easy and everything was given to us would there be any reason to try to get into heaven?

You think the earth is a shithole now...take the fear of God out of the equation which is what keeps most of us from capping the jerk who cuts us off during rush hour

Sorry you lost ur faith man. If ur ever down near me come get some free clones to take on home.:hippy:

[chris62008]

Who says anything has to be created? You do, but I don't. I don't need to believe in a "creator". Your logic is seriously flawed and you exhibit the mindlessness I've come to associate with your beliefs. Plus you don't seem to exhibit much of the loving nature of "Christ" with your responses here, which leads me to believe you're a hypocrite to boot. Again, nothing new.

sounds like to me your getting defensive. lol. You don't really know what to say do you? whats your opinion??? How did time start smartguy?? What created the atoms and particles of dust??? What happens when you die???
You talk shit like you know everything so I'm just curious to what your opinion on all of this is. Cuz you already know mine. It's in the above posts

[BlueBlazer]

sounds like to me your getting defensive. lol. You don't really know what to say do you? whats your opinion??? How did time start smartguy?? What created the atoms and particles of dust??? What happens when you die???
You talk shit like you know everything so I'm just curious to what your opinion on all of this is. Cuz you already know mine. It's in the above posts

If I seem defensive, maybe it's because you're attacking me for offering my opinion which differs from yours.

My opinion is that I do not know how the universe and all that is in it came to be, but I don't believe your god made it happen. I have no idea what awaits us after death (if anything), but I don't believe in the mythical afterlife portrayed by your religion.

See, just because we can't explain something doesn't mean it proves a magical explanation. I could use your very same logic to say, "since everything has to have been created, it proves that Odin created everything."

Now explain why Yahweh is more believable than Odin.

Oh, and I wasn't aware that I gave the impression I thought I knew everything. I don't. Now I have a question for you my friend. Have you ever actually read the entire book you claim you run your life by? The whole thing, mind you, not just the parts your pastor told you to read.

[chris62008]

[quote=BlueBlazer] My opinion is that I do not know how the universe and all that is in it came to be, but I don't believe your god made it happen.[QUOTE]

If you do not know how the universe and "all that" came to be than how do you know if my God made it or not? YOU KNOW NOTHING!!! and you even said it yourself!!! hahahahahahahahahaha... im gonna go smoke one now... hahahahaha GO COWBOYS!!! :rasta:

[BlueBlazer]

[quote=BlueBlazer] My opinion is that I do not know how the universe and all that is in it came to be, but I don't believe your god made it happen.[QUOTE]

If you do not know how the universe and "all that" came to be than how do you know if my God made it or not? YOU KNOW NOTHING!!! and you even said it yourself!!! hahahahahahahahahaha... im gonna go smoke one now... hahahahaha GO COWBOYS!!! :rasta:

How old are you? Seriously.

[chris62008]

I'm 20. Why? whats that have anything to do with what were talking about? lol

[BlueBlazer]

I'm 20. Why? whats that have anything to do with what were talking about? lol

Because debating you is like debating my 9 year old grandson.

Try to focus.

You have no proof of your claims of god other than pointing to an ancient set of writings that have no more intrinsic truth than ANY other religion or lack of religion for that matter. You have proven nothing by simply saying that since I don't know how the universe came to be, then it must be god. That argument doesn't even make sense.

Do you know how your cell phone was made? What exactly makes it work? Oh, you don't know?!? Well that just proves that Big Foot made it. :cool:

[hazetwostep]

If God can't answer the most simple prayer of a dying child, why would he give a fuck about anything I pray about?

If God can't protect the weakest of us all, how could we say any of us are cared for by a loving god?

I've fallen from faith and no amount of biblical teaching can make me return.

these were the very questions Mother Theresa wrote in her journal during her final days of life when she too lost her faith.

[RoundEye]

these were the very questions Mother Theresa wrote in her journal during her final days of life when she too lost her faith.

Really? I never heard that before.
Goodness, cruelty, sin all come from us as humans. I believe there is a God, just not as any of us have ever been taught in a traditional form. And certainly not a God that listens to any prayer or cares that innocence is the most brutalized and suffered group on the planet.

Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

Ya right. So far, for the history of man, the meek have inherited brutality, starvation, disease and all forms of abuse and suffering.

[sammer]

Goodness, cruelty, sin all come from us as humans. I believe there is a God, just not as any of us have ever been taught in a traditional form.

Yes I agree. I believe god is a much more advanced alien race that sent life to earth on a probe. This original life evolved into the vast tree of life through evolution. It is so obvious when you look at an animals face (not much fundamentally different than us, they have eyes ears mouth etc.), that we are all distant relatives. We share DNA even with bacteria. In some cases this DNA is 2 billion years old that has been passed down through countless generations of life. Something created life and it all boils down to one qustion: was life created on earth through random chemical processes or was it perhaps placed here by an intelligent technological culture? All the Earth creatures are linked to the ocean we are all connected. If god is an alien culture they may be dead by now. Or perhaps they are on their way here right now, it takes a long time to travel through space. Either way the original architects of life on Earth who started evolution (the gods) have no control over what happens on Earth. They are long gone.

[j420heat]

I used to be very religious. I even married a lady that used to be a nun. Now I can't stomach the thought of it all.
Look in the eyes of a starving, dying child. Is there God? The child prays every night for nothing more than simple food. Does God answer?

If God can't answer the most simple prayer of a dying child, why would he give a fuck about anything I pray about?

If God can't protect the weakest of us all, how could we say any of us are cared for by a loving god?

I've fallen from faith and no amount of biblical teaching can make me return.
well thats what happens when you start to "walk by sight" and not "by faith" you start 2 question what you thought was true and in the end, your left feeling more misrable than when u started cause you left the source of truth and life. :hippy:

[BlueBlazer]

well thats what happens when you start to "walk by sight" and not "by faith" you start 2 question what you thought was true and in the end, your left feeling more misrable than when u started cause you left the source of truth and life. :hippy:

Faith means believing in something that isn't proven. Sight means believing it what has been proven. I don't have faith in gravity, I know it is real. I don't have belief in god, because any god's existence is unproven and doesn't make sense. I left the "source of truth and life" a long time ago and I am far from miserable. I enjoy my life very much, thank you . . . and I have my Sundays free. :D

[j420heat]

Faith means believing in something that isn't proven. Sight means believing it what has been proven. I don't have faith in gravity, I know it is real. I don't have belief in god, because any god's existence is unproven and doesn't make sense. I left the "source of truth and life" a long time ago and I am far from miserable. I enjoy my life very much, thank you . . . and I have my Sundays free. :D

way to go on keeping things in its proper context, i mean what are u doing, compairing apples and oranges and concluding there both the same........ any ways id rather put my faith in a loving god than people, goverment churches ect ect cause in the end they will all let you down one way or another, but god is more than faithfull if we CONTINUE to put our trust in him and not lose heart. :thumbsup:

[BlueBlazer]

way to go on keeping things in its proper context, i mean what are u doing, compairing apples and oranges and concluding there both the same........

No, I'm pointing out that faith, by definition, means believing in something unproven. You believe you are right about god, but you do not know you are right about god. The existence of god is not a proven fact, such as the law of gravity.


any ways id rather put my faith in a loving god than people, goverment churches ect ect cause in the end they will all let you down one way or another, but god is more than faithfull if we CONTINUE to put our trust in him and not lose heart. :thumbsup:

Good on you as long as you don't annoy folks who don't believe as you do by proselytizing. However, folks who don't believe as you do are not necessarily "miserable". They find meaning in their lives without surrendering it to something you "just have to believe."

[Trip06]

Here are my points on the matter.

If everybody that was ever born was able to live untill there 100 then the world wouldnt be able to sustain life.
Its sad a child didnt get to live their life here on ealrth, but thats all it is "living here on earth". We are just pilgrams passing through. Man created those circumstances. If God suddenly started feeding millions of starving children, people would catch on to the fact these foodless kids arent dying. Thus there would be no concept of faith, (faith in something)-the very thing that drives man. If you have no faith in anything you are simply not alive. The poor child is innocent and thus goes to heaven, suffering no more. This world has evil in it. Its not haven, We were not born into a perfect world of harmony and love, why do you think you should get such a reward with out working for it??? Lifes a test.

[smileyface]

What an interesting conversation! What's fascinating is that hardcore believers (not naming names) start throwing tantrums and calling names and then accuse the other person for getting defensive! Hahaha! Classic. I love how so many religious folk can't answer a question so they totally go off topic to try to rationalize their view. I think the OP had a very legitimate question. If god doesn't answer the prayers of completely innocent and helpless beings, why would he answer anyone elses? Seriously. Why would anyone else deserve to have their prayers answered if not the innocent? Well, there are major flaws in any organized religion, aren't there?

My view is this - the true god/creator/great spirit, whatever you want to call it is NOTHING like what mainstream religion leads you to believe. No god looking down, pulling the strings making the world go round. We make our own choices, there is no vengeful god that will punish us for utilizing the free will he gave us and making a mistake. What kind of asshole would give everyone only one shot at life, and cause some to be born mentally retarded, and some to die as infants? That's pretty fucked up! They didn't even get a chance to experience what being alive is. I think that the purpose of life is to experience. Life, after life, after life. (You don't have to believe me but if you chose to look, there is strong, untainted evidence for reincarnation.) You know what the Tao Te Ching says, you can't know or appreciate anything without knowing and experiencing the opposite or lack there of. Every experience we have, positive or negative impacts us, makes us grow, builds who we are as a being. We chose to experience the hardships before we enter this life. We can not be a complete being by only experiencing the positive. Is that an excuse for turning a blind eye to those in need of help, because they chose that for themselves? Of course not. Our reaction or non-action to such a scenario determines who WE are. That's what it all boils down to, ourselves. We are each a different aspect of the source, which in turn means that we can never be separated from the source like religious leaders would like you to believe. They of course want you to feel separated so you need them to bring you back to god. How else can you control such a huge population?

The fact is that no human knows how it really is. What is important is thinking for yourself, figuring things out yourself instead of just mindlessly believing something because some guy in robes tells you so. This is YOUR journey, spiritual or not. There are hundreds of religions out there. Nobody can rightfully claim that the one they believe in is THE right one. There is beauty in truth in EVERY religion. I personally believe in a higher power or energy if you will, but I'm not going to get my panties in a twist if someone else doesn't.

Oh,


Here are my points on the matter.

If God suddenly started feeding millions of starving children, people would catch on to the fact these foodless kids arent dying. Thus there would be no concept of faith, (faith in something)-the very thing that drives man.

I completely disagree. If people saw that kids without food were miraculously not dying, that most certainly would give people faith. Miracle=higher power=something bigger than you=worship. You hear stories all the time about people who's faith is restored because they believe to have experienced a miracle...

Over and out....

[Richol]

To all those who try to make the non believers have faith your wasting your time. The devil has everyone fooled like big time its almost to late for everyone sad but true, so no matter how much anyone tries to prove that God exist or that Jesus is our Lord and savior their stubborn heart will not let them believe.

"Luke 8:12
Those along the traveled road are the people who have heard; then the devil comes and carries away the message out of their hearts, that they may not believe ( [Joseph Thayer, A Greek-English Lexicon.] acknowledge Me as their Savior and devote themselves to Me) and be saved [here and hereafter]."

"John 5:44
How is it possible for you to believe [how can you learn to believe], you who [are content to seek and] receive praise and honor and glory from one another, and yet do not seek the praise and honor and glory which come from Him Who alone is God?"

"John 8:45
But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me [do not trust Me, do not rely on Me, or adhere to Me]"

"John 5:38
And you have not His word (His thought) living in your hearts, because you do not believe and adhere to and trust in and rely on Him Whom He has sent. [That is why you do not keep His message living in you, because you do not believe in the Messenger Whom He has sent."

Just some words spoken by Jesus Christ the son of God, you believe the history books why not the Bible

[BlueBlazer]

To all those who try to make the non believers have faith your wasting your time. The devil has everyone fooled like big time its almost to late for everyone sad but true, so no matter how much anyone tries to prove that God exist or that Jesus is our Lord and savior their stubborn heart will not let them believe.

The devil, like god, is a complete fabrication of man. I'm not being "fooled by satan". There is no such thing. In your belief there is, but again you have no proof. You talk about trying to prove god exists or that Jesus is lord. What proof? There is no proof. Only belief. Belief doesn't make something so.

Here is what amuses me to no end . . . the majority of the US claim to be Christian, yet the first reaction to someone claiming to have had a vision, saw an angel, etc, is to roll the eyes and make the crazy sign. Even other "believers" don't really believe it.


Just some words spoken by Jesus Christ the son of God, you believe the history books why not the Bible

Technically, those are words translated several times and supposedly written by Luke and John to begin with as second hand accounts.

Since history books are written by men, I don't believe them 100%. Ever heard the quote "the conquerors write the history"?

I don't believe the bible because I have read the entire book several times and it is just too fantastic to believe without proof. There is no proof. None. However, there are paradoxes and contradictions galore. Just the sort of thing you'd expect to find in a work written and translated by man.

[smileyface]

Haha, that's too funny! The stubborn ones are the hardcore believers. Why believe history books and not the bible? Well, by that "logic" you might as well say "you believe history books, why not the Koran, the Torah, or the Tao Te Ching?" And though there is much disformation in history books, at least there we have proof that those things happened, even though the way it went down is twisted. We have relics from the wars and previous civilizations, we have fossils from dinosaurs, etc. I could also say, if you believe the bible, why not Harry Potter or Cinderella? You, nor anyone else knew the people who wrote the bible, yet you base your whole belief system on what complete strangers say. Not everyone believes everything they hear or read. Quoting scripture? Really? Is that supposed to mean something? Just because someone says something doesn't make it true. I can say things too - "Thousands of years ago, a hairy ape came down from the sky and spoke to a man named Sid, and he told Sid that he is not the true god and that a great magic mushroom created the universe and that humans are to worship shrooms." You going to believe that too? What's the difference? Sure it sounds ridiculous, but no more so than a talking burning bush or a talking snake. Just because someone got a group of people to believe something doesn't make it any truer. And do you really think that the bible has remained un-altered this entire time? On top of not knowing who wrote it in the first place, you don't know what was added to it or taken out during the 2K years it's been around. Anybody could have put in additional text and ripped out others. Don't you know about King James? The only reason you're christian in the first place is because you were raised in that environment. If you were born and raised in Iran, you'd be a muslim quoting the Koran, worshiping Allah believing whole-heartedly that all non-muslims are going to hell.

And this business with the devil, please! The devil is just a patsy so people can place blame on something else and don't have to feel responible for the evil they create themselves.

I don't mean to come off as harsh or confrontational. I really don't care what what you believe as long as it doesn't harm any other living creature..... unlike the crusades and the inquisition. It's just irritating when people are trying to pass myth off as fact.

[j420heat]

To all those who try to make the non believers have faith your wasting your time. The devil has everyone fooled like big time its almost to late for everyone sad but true, so no matter how much anyone tries to prove that God exist or that Jesus is our Lord and savior their stubborn heart will not let them believe.

"Luke 8:12
Those along the traveled road are the people who have heard; then the devil comes and carries away the message out of their hearts, that they may not believe ( [Joseph Thayer, A Greek-English Lexicon.] acknowledge Me as their Savior and devote themselves to Me) and be saved [here and hereafter]."

"John 5:44
How is it possible for you to believe [how can you learn to believe], you who [are content to seek and] receive praise and honor and glory from one another, and yet do not seek the praise and honor and glory which come from Him Who alone is God?"

"John 8:45
But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me [do not trust Me, do not rely on Me, or adhere to Me]"

"John 5:38
And you have not His word (His thought) living in your hearts, because you do not believe and adhere to and trust in and rely on Him Whom He has sent. [That is why you do not keep His message living in you, because you do not believe in the Messenger Whom He has sent."

Just some words spoken by Jesus Christ the son of God, you believe the history books why not the Bible

i agree 100% with u on that. there aint alot of time left, these are the last days. and it say n the bible there will be great spiritual deception b4 the return of christ. its really affecting the church also to the point that pastors want to preach feel good sermons only. and most crictics if they are truly honest with them selves, will admit they are biased with a closed mind and heart. they should do there own research about god and the bible with open hearts and minds.

[Richol]

you see exactly whut i mean, everyone is bein miss lead you guys remind me of the skeptics i take to haunted houses and even though they see things and stuff is captured on camera and EVP's they still are like naw it was my mind playing tricks on me or theres a logical explanation for that brick flying across the room.

Im not telling you to join my beliefs its just my job to tell the truth if you dont listen then F it i wont waste my time but one more thing before I go Jesus is the only way to God so the other religions are screwed sorry harsh words but tru, so how bout we put all are differences aside and smoke some good ass potent bud, cuz no one will know the truth till we die so untill then :rasta:

Peace out people Love you all :jointsmile:

[chris62008]

[quote=BlueBlazer]The devil, like god, is a complete fabrication of man. I'm not being "fooled by satan". There is no such thing. In your belief there is, but again you have no proof. You talk about trying to prove god exists or that Jesus is lord. What proof? There is no proof. Only belief. Belief doesn't make something so. [QUOTE]

1)DNA is proof of a creator.

2)Science is merely the work of GOD.

[BlueBlazer]

[quote=BlueBlazer]The devil, like god, is a complete fabrication of man. I'm not being "fooled by satan". There is no such thing. In your belief there is, but again you have no proof. You talk about trying to prove god exists or that Jesus is lord. What proof? There is no proof. Only belief. Belief doesn't make something so. [QUOTE]

1)DNA is proof of a creator.

2)Science is merely the work of GOD.


You are a fraud. Give it up my trollish little friend.

[chris62008]

[quote=chris62008][quote=BlueBlazer]The devil, like god, is a complete fabrication of man. I'm not being "fooled by satan". There is no such thing. In your belief there is, but again you have no proof. You talk about trying to prove god exists or that Jesus is lord. What proof? There is no proof. Only belief. Belief doesn't make something so.


You are a fraud. Give it up my trollish little friend.

you can't prove me wrong so why not join me? :rasta:

[BlueBlazer]

Obvious troll is obvious.

[jamessr]

Everything was born to die. That's the facts regardless of religion. Prove that wrong. It is our energy we all share as living beings( plants, animals, mamals etc.) here on earth. That's what faith is.

Religion is a creature of man, all "written by man" not any higher energy in our universe. No wonder wars are started. "IGNORANCE" !

Just my 2 cents worth. No specific insults to any particular person here. But, to all mankind.

[chris62008]

Obvious troll is obvious.

i suggest you read up on Einsteins theory of relativity. You are ignorant and I don't like you. If we can agree that Einstein was probably one of, if not, the smartest man to EVER live, than we can agree that he knows what he's talking about. lol Get some facts instead of just trying to bash me you idiot

[BlueBlazer]

i suggest you read up on Einsteins theory of relativity. You are ignorant and I don't like you. If we can agree that Einstein was probably one of, if not, the smartest man to EVER live, than we can agree that he knows what he's talking about. lol Get some facts instead of just trying to bash me you idiot

I suggest you show where the theory of relativity has anything to do with god troll boy. You can apply the theory to try to prove intelligent design, but it's the same argument. Because relativity suggests at some point, time began and the universe began expanding does not prove the existence of an intelligent agent. That is a matter of opinion, not fact.

Also, I do not agree that Einstein was the smartest man to ever live. I will agree he knew what he was talking about though, "I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." ~ Albert Einstein, 1954

Find something new troll.




BTW ~ It upsets me a great deal that you don't like me. Dang. :dance:

[chris62008]

I suggest you show where the theory of relativity has anything to do with god troll boy. You can apply the theory to try to prove intelligent design, but it's the same argument. Because relativity suggests at some point, time began and the universe began expanding does not prove the existence of an intelligent agent. That is a matter of opinion, not fact.

Also, I do not agree that Einstein was the smartest man to ever live. I will agree he knew what he was talking about though, "I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." ~ Albert Einstein, 1954

Find something new troll.




BTW ~ It upsets me a great deal that you don't like me. Dang. :dance:

If you agree with Einsteins theory of relativity than you know the universe is indeed finite. In that case, what do you think was BEFORE the big bang?

[BlueBlazer]

If you agree with Einsteins theory of relativity than you know the universe is indeed finite. In that case, what do you think was BEFORE the big bang?

I don't know. But see, the fact that I don't know doesn't prove it was some "god".

The Hindus believe that the universe expands, reaches a limit, contracts, and then expands again endlessly . . . over and over. Christians, Jews, & Muslims believe god started it all going. There is no proof to support either theory. Both are a matter of opinion, not fact.

[chris62008]

[quote=BlueBlazer]I don't know. But see, the fact that I don't know doesn't prove it was some "god".
QUOTE]

THAT'S RIGHT! You DON'T know!!! So obviously you have no right denying GOD when you cannot even prove he doesn't exist!!!

What was before the big bang? I know one thing that does in fact explain this... It's called......... THE HOLY BIBLE!!!!!!!!

[BlueBlazer]

THAT'S RIGHT! You DON'T know!!! So obviously you have no right denying GOD when you cannot even prove he doesn't exist!!!

What was before the big bang? I know one thing that does in fact explain this... It's called......... THE HOLY BIBLE!!!!!!!!

You were a little interesting to me for a minute there. Did you enjoy that Einstein quote?

Now you've gone back to boring old troll. No fun. :(

[chris62008]

You were a little interesting to me for a minute there. Did you enjoy that Einstein quote?

Now you've gone back to boring old troll. No fun. :(

Oh. You want quotes.. ok, here we go.. ALL quoted by Albert Einstein!

"I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details."

"I am convinced that He (God) does not play dice."

"God is subtle but he is not malicious."

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind."

"God does not care about our mathematical difficulties. He integrates empirically."

"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind."

"The further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not lie through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith, but through striving after rational knowledge."

I have more if you want them but that should be enough.

Your making a fool of yourself atheist scum! :smokin:

[BlueBlazer]

I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. (Albert Einstein, 1954)

Since Einstein clearly did not believe in your god, he is most likely speaking figuratively there. Einstein not only did not believe in a personal god but made an effort to "express it clearly"

I've heard trolls have a problem with clarity.


Read again one of the quotes you posted yourself.

"The further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not lie through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith, but through striving after rational knowledge."

[frostedwonder]

I love Albert's quotes!
But don't some Atheist's hold on to the possibility of a god but without proof they don't believe? I would consider myself one that hopes I would one day have what I need to believe in something like a god, until then I try just to be healthy and as good natured as I can to myself and others.

I wondered why there was a spiritual area on this site and figured it could do without it, but even with all the arguing one thing on a small level happens...people express how they feel and what they believe. It can either solidify another readers existing beliefs or make someone further question life. Either way your still on a journey of self discovery which is in itself cool IMO

Real eyes realize real lies!:hippy:

[BlueBlazer]

I love Albert's quotes!
But don't some Atheist's hold on to the possibility of a god but without proof they don't believe? I would consider myself one that hopes I would one day have what I need to believe in something like a god, until then I try just to be healthy and as good natured as I can to myself and others.

Atheists do not hold on to a possibility that god is real. I believe Agnostic is what you mean.

I don't think Einstein was an Atheist, or an Agnostic. His belief was more like a Buddhist's (or more correctly like a Taoist).

The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. It should transcend personal God and avoid dogma and theology. Covering both the natural and the spiritual, it should be based on a religious sense arising from the experience of all things natural and spiritual as a meaningful unity. Buddhism answers this description. If there is any religion that could cope with modern scientific needs it would be Buddhism. ~ Albert Einstein

I believe American Indian spiritualism is also much like what Einstein describes.

[chris62008]

I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. (Albert Einstein, 1954)

Since Einstein clearly did not believe in your god, he is most likely speaking figuratively there. Einstein not only did not believe in a personal god but made an effort to "express it clearly"

I've heard trolls have a problem with clarity.


Read again one of the quotes you posted yourself.

"The further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not lie through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith, but through striving after rational knowledge."

Than who or what was he talking about when he made all of those quotes? Your trying to say he didn't mean GOD, when he clearly stated GOD in most of the quotes. Quit trying to turn these around like usual. HE SAID WHAT HE SAID!

He CONCEDES to a creator, lets just put it that way...

[BlueBlazer]

He CONCEDES to a creator, lets just put it that way...

Let's don't.

It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954, The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press)

[chris62008]

"Before God we are all equally wise - and equally foolish"

whats he talking about there than?

[BlueBlazer]

"Before God we are all equally wise - and equally foolish"

whats he talking about there than?

Not what you think.

I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives his physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egoism, cherish such thoughts. I am satisfied with the mystery of the eternity of life and with the awareness and a glimpse of the marvelous structure of the existing world, together with the devoted striving to comprehend a portion, be it ever so tiny, of the Reason that manifests itself in nature. (Albert Einstein, The World as I See It)

[chris62008]

Not what you think.

I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives his physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egoism, cherish such thoughts. I am satisfied with the mystery of the eternity of life and with the awareness and a glimpse of the marvelous structure of the existing world, together with the devoted striving to comprehend a portion, be it ever so tiny, of the Reason that manifests itself in nature. (Albert Einstein, The World as I See It)

You atheist scum! Your tatics won't work here!!!

Let me say this AGAIN! Albert Einstein CONCEDES to a creator! NOT neccassarily ANY type of religions!

Although never coming to belief in a personal God, he recognized the impossibility of a non-created universe. The Encyclopedia Britannica says of him: "Firmly denying atheism, Einstein expressed a belief in "Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of what exists." This actually motivated his interest in science, as he once remarked to a young physicist: "I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details." Einstein's famous epithet on the "uncertainty principle" was "God does not play dice" - and to him this was a real statement about a God in whom he believed. (quoted from another website)

It's obvious that Einstein believed in a creator. A creator of everything we see. and that is what I believe (to an extent). The only thing is that I believe GOD is the sole "creator" of all these things. Which is totally true. Science is merely the work of GOD.

[BlueBlazer]

You atheist scum! Your tatics won't work here!!!

You're assuming a lot for a guy who claims injury when assumed upon.

1) I never said Einstein was an Atheist, to the contrary. I believe his "god" belief was akin to the Taoist "god" belief.

2) Even if Einstein did believe in a creator, he didn't believe in yours. He was the smartest man ever you said, but he was wrong about that?!?

3) I never said I was an Atheist. I am, however, most certainly not a believer of the god presented in the Bible, Torah, and Koran. I do not believe in a personal god or a creator, but I am close to Taoism in my personal philosophy.

4) My agenda here is not to work Atheist tactics on this board. I began by expressing my non belief in GOD, and have been dealing with your trolling ever since.

Your troll tactics are not working. You can't upset me, because I don't believe you take any of this seriously. You troll for a reaction and are thrilled when you get one, even if it makes you look stupid. If you don't care about your troll persona, why should I?

[chris62008]

You're assuming a lot for a guy who claims injury when assumed upon.

1) I never said Einstein was an Atheist, to the contrary. I believe his "god" belief was akin to the Taoist "god" belief.

2) Even if Einstein did believe in a creator, he didn't believe in yours. He was the smartest man ever you said, but he was wrong about that?!?

3) I never said I was an Atheist. I am, however, most certainly not a believer of the god presented in the Bible, Torah, and Koran. I do not believe in a personal god or a creator, but I am close to Taoism in my personal philosophy.

4) My agenda here is not to work Atheist tactics on this board. I began by expressing my non belief in GOD, and have been dealing with your trolling ever since.

Your troll tactics are not working. You can't upset me, because I don't believe you take any of this seriously. You troll for a reaction and are thrilled when you get one, even if it makes you look stupid. If you don't care about your troll persona, why should I?

I think what it really all comes down to is, Who supports their opinion more? You have NO answer to the creation of the universe, or what was before it. I DO in fact! and I have came up with WAY MORE points to support my opinion rather than yours. You even said it yourself "I don't know" cuz thats right... YOU DON'T KNOW SHI*.. you should do some research to SUPPORT your opinion like I said before.. cuz you havnt done shi* really but make yourself look dumb!

[BlueBlazer]

Okay troll boy.

You've made your claims loud and often. I guess that adds up to proof for a troll.

Anyone with any intelligence that reads this thread, regardless of their spiritual belief, should easily see that you have made repeated efforts to insult me into provocative action. Like trolls normally do. I, on the other hand, have resisted the urge to sink to that level.

Readers decide for yourself.

[chris62008]

Okay troll boy.

You've made your claims loud and often. I guess that adds up to proof for a troll.

Anyone with any intelligence that reads this thread, regardless of their spiritual belief, should easily see that you have made repeated efforts to insult me into provocative action. Like trolls normally do. I, on the other hand, have resisted the urge to sink to that level.

Readers decide for yourself.

I'm just stating the FACTS... Get over it!!! Just cause you are feeling pretty stupid you resort to just bashing me and calling me a troll...

Like I said before, who's really the troll?

[delusionsofNORMALity]

What was before the big bang? I know one thing that does in fact explain this... It's called......... THE HOLY BIBLE!!!!!!!!i once spent an entire summer believing that the answers to the universe were contained in "stranger in a strange land". i didn't believe that heinlein was god, but that he had accidentally tapped into truth. i'll admit that those delusions were caused by an inordinate amount of mescaline. what's your excuse?

[smileyface]

I think what it really all comes down to is, Who supports their opinion more? You have NO answer to the creation of the universe, or what was before it. I DO in fact! and I have came up with WAY MORE points to support my opinion rather than yours. You even said it yourself "I don't know" cuz thats right... YOU DON'T KNOW SHI*.. you should do some research to SUPPORT your opinion like I said before.. cuz you havnt done shi* really but make yourself look dumb!

Hahaha, who's the one making themselves look dumb? I understand that you're feeling threatened due to your belief system being baseless, but you're just grasping at straws. Just because someone has an answer for something, doesn't mean they're answering it CORRECTLY. You really think the bible is the only text that attempts to explain how everything was created? Not trying to be insulting here, but you clearly do not know the definition of the word "myth". There are HUNDREDS of religions to date that have their own unique explanations of how the universe came to be. Examples:

- The ancient Mesopotamians answer for the creation of the universe were that the god Apsu and the goddess Tiamat did it.
- The ancient Greeks and Romans originally believed that the god Phanes did it.
- The Intuit believe that Great Spirit created everything and that she is a woman
-The ancient Chinese believed many different things, one of which being that Pan Gu created everything. Another being that the universe was created by 2 nameless gods.


The list goes on and on. Other religions believe that, just like your god, the Universe is eternal and that nothing came before it. So there you go. Lots of answers for you. Doesn't mean that any of them, including yours, is right.

Furthermore, it's astounding how not only do you bring Einstein's quotes completely out of context, but when you ask BlueBlazer to explain what Albert means by them, you completely ignore his answer and say that he can't. Like BB said, Einstein was speaking FIGURATIVELY in your quotes. Just because I say "Oh my god" or "thank god I got that bonus" doesn't mean that I believe in YOUR god. I don't. Additionally, what's YOUR explanation of BB's quotes? Hmmm? Which, by the way, are long enough to be able to tell what the hell he meant by them, not just little snippets here and there. Go on, explain it if you can.

I swear, with all the asinine things bible-bangers come up with, I find it very hard to believe that we're out of the dark ages.

Chris, I really don't give a flying fuck what you choose to believe, but you're trying to make fact out of fiction, and you're failing miserably at it. Sorry, but it's true

[chris62008]

Furthermore, it's astounding how not only do you bring Einstein's quotes completely out of context, but when you ask BlueBlazer to explain what Albert means by them, you completely ignore his answer and say that he can't. Like BB said, Einstein was speaking FIGURATIVELY in your quotes. Just because I say "Oh my god" or "thank god I got that bonus" doesn't mean that I believe in YOUR god. I don't. Additionally, what's YOUR explanation of BB's quotes? Hmmm? Which, by the way, are long enough to be able to tell what the hell he meant by them, not just little snippets here and there. Go on, explain it if you can.

I swear, with all the asinine things bible-bangers come up with, I find it very hard to believe that we're out of the dark ages.

Chris, I really don't give a flying fuck what you choose to believe, but you're trying to make fact out of fiction, and you're failing miserably at it. Sorry, but it's true

Your really trying to tell me that Einstein was NOT talking about a "creator" when he is mentioning GOD in all of those quotes?!!! LOL You are just another atheist SCUM trying to come and back your freind! lol... Quit trying to turn around what Einstein said! He wasn't saying "oh my god", he was talking and MEANT to say what he did! Theres a FINE LINE between saying "oh my god" because something happened, compared to ACTUALLY MEANING to SAY it and phrase it!!!! EINSTEIN SAID WHAT HE SAID!!!!!!! QUIT TRYING TO TWIST AND TURN HIS WORDS AROUND SO YOU CAN TRY AND HAVE SOMETHING TO SUPPORT YOUR NO ANSWER THEORY!!!!!!!!!

[chris62008]

I belive almost in what Einstein does... I belive that GOD is in EVERYTHING we see. He is the creator of EVERYTHING! DNA, Molecules, Matter, Time, Etc. Science itself is merely the work of GOD!

[hazetwostep]

"it is easier for a troll to go through the eye of a needle than for a christian to objectively think in any way, shape, or form. " ~ignorance 3:16 :jointsmile:

[smileyface]

You're such a sweetheart, chris! Haha, man, talk about acting like a desperate caged animal, clawing at everything he can! Hell, what am I saying, animals act more civilized. Do you think Jesus would be proud of the way you're acting? You're a stellar representative of your religion :thumbsup:



EINSTEIN SAID WHAT HE SAID!!!!!!! QUIT TRYING TO TWIST AND TURN HIS WORDS AROUND SO YOU CAN TRY AND HAVE SOMETHING TO SUPPORT YOUR NO ANSWER THEORY!!!!!!!!!

It's really sad that I have to state the obvious, but this sentence of yours is one of the most hypocritical statements I've ever heard. That is precicely what you are doing, hon. Not anyone else.

Since we are unfamiliar with the term "figuratively speaking" I'll be more than happy to spell it out. Here's one definition - "Represented by a figure or resemblance; symbolic or emblematic" You've never heard of speaking hypothetically? Sometimes, when people need to get a point across, they need to speak in terms other people can understand and relate to. That's what he was doing. You don't like my previous analogy? That's fine. Here's another one - If I said to you "you're living proof that god has a sense of humor", you think that means I believe in god as you believe it to be? It doesn't.

If your out-of-context quotes were the only thing that Albert said, it would have been a possibility that he believed what you say he does. Since you haven't been able to counter my statements about you not having the correct answer to the creation of the universe, you obviously accept that....finally. You keep asking others to address the quote you found even though it has already been done so repeatedly, but you still haven't answered my question though. What is your explanation of these following quotes that BB provided? -

"I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives his physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egoism, cherish such thoughts. I am satisfied with the mystery of the eternity of life and with the awareness and a glimpse of the marvelous structure of the existing world, together with the devoted striving to comprehend a portion, be it ever so tiny, of the Reason that manifests itself in nature. (Albert Einstein, The World as I See It)"

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954, The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press)"

These my friend, are plain and simple statements from the man himself. Not a whole lot open for interpretation. Please don't avoid the question, chris. I'd really like to know what those 2 statements mean to you.

[HappyDayzEire]

If God answered every person's prayer,people would become dependent on him,if he did nothing,people would just give up on him.So he help's by giving you a hand now an then but he's not going to drop a big pile of food in the middle of a bunch of starving kid's,thats because those of us that can afford to should be helping by sending over food or money,volunteering or helping in any way that we can.If God does his job right people wont think he's done anything at all.:angelsmiley:

[chris62008]

1)If your out-of-context quotes were the only thing that Albert said, it would have been a possibility that he believed what you say he does.2) Since you haven't been able to counter my statements about you not having the correct answer to the creation of the universe,3) but you still haven't answered my question though. What is your explanation of these following quotes that BB provided? .

1) My quotes are not takin out of context AT ALL! It's clear that everytime Einstein says GOD, he is ultimitly speaking of the "creator" of the universe, and time itself! You can look it up all you want! Einstein CONCEDED to a creator (whom I believe is GOD,yes the one the BIBLE speaks of,). Einstein may have or have not belived it was the same GOD as mine, BUT he did believe in a CREATOR (whom he referred to as GOD)

2) SIMPLE! The universe was created by GOD! The "Big Bang Theory" is true in all aspects. But it is really, simply, GOD creating OUR universe... in a big bang!

3) His quotes are Einstein denying he believes in a certain GOD of any religion today but, Einstein believed in a GOD! Just one not known yet supposably to everybody. He CERTAINLY belives in a creator and has PUBICLY STATED "I AM NO ATHEIST"

[BlueBlazer]

Troll boy is besieged on all sides it seems. :D

[chris62008]

Troll boy is besieged on all sides it seems. :D

Nothing important to say... Just more bashing from the atheist scum!

[smileyface]

1) My quotes are not takin out of context AT ALL! It's clear that everytime Einstein says GOD, he is ultimitly speaking of the "creator" of the universe, and time itself! You can look it up all you want! Einstein CONCEDED to a creator (whom I believe is GOD,yes the one the BIBLE speaks of,). Einstein may have or have not belived it was the same GOD as mine, BUT he did believe in a CREATOR (whom he referred to as GOD)

2) SIMPLE! The universe was created by GOD! The "Big Bang Theory" is true in all aspects. But it is really, simply, GOD creating OUR universe... in a big bang!

3) His quotes are Einstein denying he believes in a certain GOD of any religion today but, Einstein believed in a GOD! Just one not known yet supposably to everybody. He CERTAINLY belives in a creator and has PUBICLY STATED "I AM NO ATHEIST"



1. Since nobody but Einstein can can claim to know exactly what it is that he believed in, we really have no clue what he means by using the word "god". We can only assume. However, he never stated that he believed the big bang was created by a god. He clearly doesn't believe that it was some guy sitting on a cloud pointing his finger making everything appear, as portrayed in the bible. What could he have believed "god" to be? Probably something so abstract that would blow your mind. It's possible that he believed that the universe itself is "god", and that the big bang wasn't created by a god but WAS "god". Perhaps he believed that everything in the universe IS intelligent energy. Perhaps he believed that everything you see and experience is "god". Again, we can only speculate.

(As a side note, has anyone here read the book "Conversations With God" by Neil Donald Walsch? OMG, I fuckin LOVE that book! It's not religious at all, but it ties in with what we're talking about, excellent read! I highly recommend it to everyone.)

2. You've completely ignored my previous post, conveniently..... I suggest you re-read the part about coming up with AN answer doesn't mean it's the correct one. If a teacher asks a class what 2+2 is and someone answers "5", that does not mean that "5" is right. Again, you'd be wise to scroll up

3. At least we're finally getting somewhere here. So you accept that Albert refutes (To prove to be false or erroneous; overthrow by argument or proof) the bible and the god depicted in it. In other words, stating that christianity along with many other mainstream religions is incorrect. So, since it was your idea in the first place to use Einstein as proof of your beliefs, I guess you have no choice then to use him as proof that christianity is wrong, therefore renouncing your current faith.

:hippy:

[BlueBlazer]

Nothing important to say... Just more bashing from the atheist scum!

Nothing more to say to a troll no.

[chris62008]

What could he have believed "god" to be? Probably something so abstract that would blow your mind. It's possible that he believed that the universe itself is "god", and that the big bang wasn't created by a god but WAS "god". Perhaps he believed that everything in the universe IS intelligent energy. Perhaps he believed that everything you see and experience is "god". Again, we can only speculate.

2. You've completely ignored my previous post, conveniently..... I suggest you re-read the part about coming up with AN answer doesn't mean it's the correct one. If a teacher asks a class what 2+2 is and someone answers "5", that does not mean that "5" is right. Again, you'd be wise to scroll up

3. At least we're finally getting somewhere here. So you accept that Albert refutes (To prove to be false or erroneous; overthrow by argument or proof) the bible and the god depicted in it. In other words, stating that christianity along with many other mainstream religions is incorrect. So, since it was your idea in the first place to use Einstein as proof of your beliefs, I guess you have no choice then to use him as proof that christianity is wrong, therefore renouncing your current faith.

:hippy:

1) Your right! Einstein believed in a different GOD than any modern day religions. And I even stated that before.

2) Ya. Well AT LEAST I HAVE AN ANSWER! Granted it may be more of a belief on how life started than an answer, but at least its SOMETHING! You atheists scums have NO answer at all to what was BEFORE the big bang! Your best answer is.... I DON'T KNOW!!! (made famous by "blue blazer")



3) I NEVER EVER stated that I share the same beliefs on what created life with Albert Einstein!!! I personally belive that GOD (yes the one in the HOLY BIBLE) created this universe and EVERYTHING in it's existince. Einstein CLEARLY belived of some other GOD not mentioned in any holy book. We share diffrences BUT YES, I CAN, and DO, use Einsteins scientific work to prove of a creator! (GOD)

[BlueBlazer]

:cool:

[chris62008]

:cool:

BACK TROLL!! BACK!!!! SCAT!!!!!!!

Unless you have something important to say (which you never do) than don't say anything at all please. Your trollish posts are getting pretty old.

[smileyface]

1) Your right! Einstein believed in a different GOD than any modern day religions. And I even stated that before.

2) Ya. Well AT LEAST I HAVE AN ANSWER! Granted it may be more of a belief on how life started than an answer, but at least its SOMETHING! You atheists scums have NO answer at all to what was BEFORE the big bang! Your best answer is.... I DON'T KNOW!!! (made famous by "blue blazer")



3) I NEVER EVER stated that I share the same beliefs on what created life with Albert Einstein!!! I personally belive that GOD (yes the one in the HOLY BIBLE) created this universe and EVERYTHING in it's existince. Einstein CLEARLY belived of some other GOD not mentioned in any holy book. We share diffrences BUT YES, I CAN, and DO, use Einsteins scientific work to prove of a creator! (GOD)



Wow. You really ARE beyond hope.....

[chris62008]

Wow. You really ARE beyond hope.....

That's right. Just leave cuz you are beat. I respect that totally!!! :thumbsup: (typical atheist)

[BlueBlazer]

Translation: Why won't you rise to my troll bait anymore? :cool:

[smileyface]

That's right. Just leave cuz you are beat. I respect that totally!!! :thumbsup: (typical atheist)

Hahaha, well, if you can't see the idiocy of your own statements, there's nothing I can do to help you. It's so funny how all you bible bangers think that by having the last word it means that you "won" like it's some sort of game..... When in reality, the ones you were debating with just accepted the fact that it's a complete waste of time trying to knock any sense, logic or truth into you since you never fail to completely ignore the facts that contradict your position.

You've already been proven wrong on everything you've said. Perhaps if you got Hooked on Phonics or ate more Omega-3 you would have been able to read and understand simple concepts written in black and white. I've heard more intelligent arguments from 9 year olds. I'm not attempting to be insulting but how old are you, really? I mean, if you're still a child, I'd be a little more understanding. But I'd just hate to find out that you're actually an adult in their 30's or something behaving as childishly as you are with the constant name-calling and the "na na na na naaa naaaa" attitude.

[chris62008]

Hahaha, well, if you can't see the idiocy of your own statements, there's nothing I can do to help you. It's so funny how all you bible bangers think that by having the last word it means that you "won" like it's some sort of game..... When in reality, the ones you were debating with just accepted the fact that it's a complete waste of time trying to knock any sense, logic or truth into you since you never fail to completely ignore the facts that contradict your position.

You've already been proven wrong on everything you've said. Perhaps if you got Hooked on Phonics or ate more Omega-3 you would have been able to read and understand simple concepts written in black and white. I've heard more intelligent arguments from 9 year olds. I'm not attempting to be insulting but how old are you, really? I mean, if you're still a child, I'd be a little more understanding. But I'd just hate to find out that you're actually an adult in their 30's or something behaving as childishly as you are with the constant name-calling and the "na na na na naaa naaaa" attitude.

What have you proved me wrong on?? NOTHING!!! NOTHING AT ALL!!!! You have NO facts or ANYTHING to help support you... You try and take Einsteins words and phrases OUT OF CONTEXT to try and support what your saying which is PATHETIC!!!!

The fact is, YES! You are beat. And you KNOW IT!! thats why you won't debate with me why YOUR opinion, is more believable than MINE! You don't have an opinion and YOU DEFINITLY CANNOT PROVE MINE WRONG!!!! SO YES, THEREFORE, YOU ARE BEAT!!!!! Unless you have some real facts and something to help BACK your opinion, than don't even waste my time.

SHOE FLY, SHOE FLY, DON'T BOTHER ME!!!!!!!

[BlueBlazer]

And if that doesn't work, he's gonna hold his breath. :S2:

[smileyface]

What have you proved me wrong on?? NOTHING!!! NOTHING AT ALL!!!! You have NO facts or ANYTHING to help support you... You try and take Einsteins words and phrases OUT OF CONTEXT to try and support what your saying which is PATHETIC!!!!

The fact is, YES! You are beat. And you KNOW IT!! thats why you won't debate with me why YOUR opinion, is more believable than MINE! You don't have an opinion and YOU DEFINITLY CANNOT PROVE MINE WRONG!!!! SO YES, THEREFORE, YOU ARE BEAT!!!!! Unless you have some real facts and something to help BACK your opinion, than don't even waste my time.

SHOE FLY, SHOE FLY, DON'T BOTHER ME!!!!!!!


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You KNOW you've got a troll beat at his own game when HE starts throwing a hissy fit! And I can't resist pointing out that you can't even get a simple expression right - it's "shoo fly", not "shoe" as in what you put on your feet. I totally LOLed at that.

Hey, I didn't know you had a webcam -

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Now listen to your mommy and stop drooling on the computer

[smileyface]

hell, not sure why that vid worked in the preview but not in the post. Here's the url - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uy-wisdvW9A&feature=related

hysterical!

[BlueBlazer]

hell, not sure why that vid worked in the preview but not in the post. Here's the url - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uy-wisdvW9A&feature=related

hysterical!

ROTFL. :S2:

[chris62008]

I leave for almost a week and return.

Just what I thought. NO good, fact based opinions for any of you guys. Just more sh*t talking. Your whack! lol

[BlueBlazer]

Wow. Who knew troll conventions lasted a whole week? :stoned:


I assume you are using the word whack as in "unconventional, crazy, or ridiculous" rather that what you do with your lonely nights . . .

We await your "fact" based opinions oh magnificent troll. I'm sure you're busting to give them whether anyone wants to hear them or not. Especially if no one wants to hear them . . .

[imyourbestbud]

What created everything than smart guy? What created the atoms and dust??? YOU DON'T KNOW!!!!! Which only explains that their HAS to be somthing bigger than us out there! Your just a total ignorant who just wants to get attention from not "conforming". Everybody LIKE YOU still cannot answer questions like "what happens when you die?" or "what created time?"

Just because you can't explain something doesn't mean it came from a god.

[smileyface]

Wow. Who knew troll conventions lasted a whole week? :stoned:


I assume you are using the word whack as in "unconventional, crazy, or ridiculous" rather that what you do with your lonely nights . . .

We await your "fact" based opinions oh magnificent troll. I'm sure you're busting to give them whether anyone wants to hear them or not. Especially if no one wants to hear them . . .

HAHAHA! Getting him to comprehend simple concepts and facts is like trying to teach M Theory to a nematode.

[chris62008]

HAHAHA! Getting him to comprehend simple concepts and facts is like trying to teach M Theory to a nematode.

What simple concept and fact are you talking about?? Be more specific.

[chris62008]

I'm bumping this because I'm still waiting on a response from "smileyface" about my question. What simple concept or fact are you talking about??? Please explain.

[Weezard]

"it is easier for a troll to go through the eye of a needle than for a christian to objectively think in any way, shape, or form. " ~ignorance 3:16 :jointsmile:


Excellent!

I'll just re-post D. of N.'s signature;
"Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. "

And Stinky's comment;
"Please keep it civil, gentlemen"

Carry on.:cool:
Weeze

[JohnnyZ]

Shit. I can't believe I missed out on this thread.

chris, we all get what you are saying about before the universe. We don't know what happened before the universe. However, instead of jumping to conclusions (read: God), consider the following..

We are a product of the space-time continuum. Our logic is based upon the space-time continuum. We therefore do not understand things outside of this continuum.

You immediately answer that it then "must" be God who created everything.

Have you considered the notion of infinity? That there is no start or end? That there is only start and end for us because were are finite beings? Have you considered the different possible continuums that came before space-time?

No, you just have "faith".

[chris62008]

Shit. I can't believe I missed out on this thread.

chris, we all get what you are saying about before the universe. We don't know what happened before the universe. However, instead of jumping to conclusions (read: God), consider the following..

We are a product of the space-time continuum. Our logic is based upon the space-time continuum. We therefore do not understand things outside of this continuum.

You immediately answer that it then "must" be God who created everything.

Have you considered the notion of infinity? That there is no start or end? That there is only start and end for us because were are finite beings? Have you considered the different possible continuums that came before space-time?

No, you just have "faith".

You have "faith" to believe that rubbage. There is such a thing as infinite. And it is God.

[JohnnyZ]

Ah I see, progression in science that disproves your theory of God is "rubbage". Of course.

[JaggedEdge]

Yes it does, you can't enter through a door that doesn't exist.


hey im not perfect and I never said I was. Doesn't mean I won't enter heaven though.