Hermies

[SOG420]

So I have to option to plant some seeds from an all female outdoor crop of bubblegum*Jock horror ,HOG, and a NL cross seriously stressed or continue with the lackluster strain Purple Kush. What's the worst that can happen?

[SOG420]

For anyone interested in similiarsubjects I found an exert in the cannabis breeders bible on page 117
"the hermaphrodite condition should not pass to the offspring in theory if the genes are not present in the parents"
so to me that says that a normal cutting stressed to herm should have at least 3/4 the dna of a regular seed. Correct me if I'm wrong. I am calling out to all breeds for advice on this.

[Mrdank09]

i cant figure how to post anything? can someone help me

[Blaze21]

There's been a debate about this going on THCfarmer.

Here's the link if you want to check it out:

Best way to make seeds from a clone (http://www.thcfarmer.com/forums/f10/best-way-make-seeds-clone-14350/)

[headshake]

For anyone interested in similiarsubjects I found an exert in the cannabis breeders bible on page 117
"the hermaphrodite condition should not pass to the offspring in theory if the genes are not present in the parents"
so to me that says that a normal cutting stressed to herm should have at least 3/4 the dna of a regular seed. Correct me if I'm wrong. I am calling out to all breeds for advice on this.

what exactly is your question? all plants are programmed to hermie if they go to far. it's a way to preserver the lineage. the buds start growing trying to catch male pollen. they continue to swell trying desperately to get some of that pollen. (notice how when they get pollinated the buds stop growing?) if a female doesn't get pollinated, then they can hermie so they continue the lineage. so it is genetically in all plants.

just because a plant is stressed doesn't mean it will hermie, it means that it can. each strain is different. light, nutes, temps and more can all cause a plant to hermie. where do you think female seeds come from?


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[SOG420]

My question is if these seeds can provide a stable strain in a controlled environment?

[Blaze21]

Depends who you ask. Personally, I am very much against feminized seed and find them to have absolutely no benefit over normal seed or clones. They can and will pass on the hermi trait to their offspring.

[Farmer Rich]

My experience was that seeds that came from self pollinated hermie plants that I grew all continued the trait when I tried growing the seeds, in a very bad way.

In regard to purchased fem seeds from reputable seed banks, I believe they\'re pretty stable. My experience here was with 2 strains from White Label (White Diesel and White Gold) that seem rock solid and haven\'t produced any hermi\'s yet and are solid producers. Really healthy monster plants..

Peace,

Farmer Rich

[headshake]

self-pollenated plants due have a tendency to hermie.

for femenized seeds, the pollen from one hermie female is used on a DIFFERENT female. the DNA is 100% female, so femenized seeds. there are some unscrupulous breeders that use toxic chemicals and stuff to accomplish the same results.

your mileage may vary.


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[Rusty Trichome]

My question is if these seeds can provide a stable strain in a controlled environment?

I've been playing with a strain for around 6 years. Reeferman gifted a few of us some seeds that he called R&D strain #1. He never told us the strain name so I started calling it PokerFace. (everybody needs a name) Was listed on the seedtube as a "medical strain" 80/20 indica dom. Anyway, I have been breeding the plant with great success, including various femming techniques. (gibrellic acid, aspirin, light poisoning) This bullshit that a genetically stable line becoming degraded as a result of intentional femming is a crock of shit, if the breeder is on their game.

Granted, bagseed and varieties from backyard "breeders" are not likely to be all that stable to begin with. As Headshake said, some use some fairly harsh methods of stressing the plants, and in my experienced opinion, some of those methods could very-well add to strain degredation itself. (hormones, steroids, heavy metals...)

If femming is a vehicle to strain degredation, why can all cannabis plants that still reproduce from seeds, be successfully (and quite easily IMHO) femmed? Are all strains degraded? Sounds to me like some folks are stuck in the 70's, haven't actually tried any of this themselves and are depending on hearsay to form an opinion.

If all this negative bullshit is regarding the ongoing inbreeding of genetics, (femming femmed fems from femmed seeds) then yes...I stand behind that concern. Locking-out genetic diversity is a good way to become disease-prone, stunted, chemical sensitive... But occational femming to acheive a shortcut in the garden has never proven deleterious in my growrooms. Having said that...I do mark my femmed seedjars so as not to inbreed.

Have also femmed my Swazi, my Northern Lights, C-99, Potent Purple, Diesel...
The only strain I've ever worked with that didn't fem nicely is my Shishkaberry. Came to me with a genetic anomaly of one-in-6 females going hermie, and femming didn't correct the trait, so I don't fem it any more. But it sure is tasty, and I still grow it on occation.

Oh...BTW...After years of unsuccessful hounding of Reeferman for the strain name of this his R&D strain, (what I've been calling PokerFace) I have determined it's the precursor to his original Cherry Bomb. Same timeframe, same growth habits, same smell and appearance. So in order to give credit where credit is due, I've renamed the strain Poker Cherry. :thumbsup: