Miracle grow soil

[drudown11]

Alright so I have been really busy working and stuff so I havent had alot of time(or mney) to go to the grow store and get my fox farms ocean forest soil. My partners mom owed us some money so she said that when she went to the hardware store she would get us some soil.

I was very clear that I wanted the highest qauility organic potting soil they had. She comes back with some cheap fucking miracle grow pre fertalized shit. I dont want to be rude to her but should i toss it and go get me some high quaity soil or will I be alright for now

[Hazebound]

That stuff will kill your grow. Personal experience. :(

[Zompton]

I have 5 white whidow plants thriving in some MG soil, the people who say it kills plants are people who are killing plants themselves. If you have $20 to spare get new soil, if not i doubt it matters...

[Flipperlocc]

Im using some MG soil that i had left over from my veggies. my plants are doing well and healthy. I say use it. check out my thread in outdoors subforum "newb with bagseed"

its pre fert and im using some AP plantfood on top and the oldest is budding nicely and the second 2 are following along

[Pudish]

I will tell you this. My very first grow was with MG soil. and it turned out awsome. The only thing you have to worry about is the PH changes in the siol because of the time released fertilizer. I went light on my fox farm butes when i got hem because of the already fertilized soil. I did loose a few fan leaves but the grow turned out alright. Just remember MG does work. Its not recommended but it does work. Just WATCH THE PH.

[GetThisOrDie]

Ive grown in MG pre fert as well... I had great results but like Pudish said the PH does move around alot. It also seemed that the N in the soil made my girls stretch more than usual in flower. Would probably be best to do some good flushing for the MG.
Man...im high. Good luck with your grow! lol.

[Dutch Pimp]

add 20% perlite and flush the MG soil; let drain well, then you can germinate your seeds...(keep soil temp above 80 degrees)...:)

[drudown11]

I usually take it pretty easy on my nutes(fox farm) and by the end of flowering they are starving for food. Im thinking the pre fertalized soil might actually be a little to my benefit.

I use clones that I start in jiffy cubes so I just transplanted a few rooted clones today with the mg soil and Im waiting for a few others to root also. I think that the soil will be just fine for now, ill just go back to my ff next time.

[bluntman2006]

its ok to use but i recommend putting some perlite,like thirty percent.you would do better with the chemical mg instead of the organic mg crappy soil

[icbh707]

thats funny. this summer i tested the MG time release soil next to the ocean forest on my out door. no noticeable difference... except for the price.

[FlaTransplant]

Personally, I'd cut it with about30% perlite and 30%- 50% Peat Moss... I also flush the MG with water to get out the nutes (a bit)

[ForgetClassC]

The nutes in MG are time release, so flushing them wouldn't do anything but possibly release even more nutes. I admint, it was a little strong for my little girls, but they eventually got past it and turned a nice dark green. When they came up, they were a bit yellow.

[mmjman]

Don not use MG. The soil is often very old and/or infested with pests. Plus the ingredients used to make the soil contain toxic chemicals and carcinogens. The saw dust used in MG comes from furniture manufacturers, and I have seen pieces of pressure treated lumber in MG soil myself. PT lumber is treated with arsenic.

[tangent1]

yea don't use miracle grow soil if you want smoke sure if you want a fine smoke no. the chems actually affect the flavor, taste and cough. it will grow but not as clean of a grow. but like others said perilite 20-30%. now they have organic M-grow I don't know much about it, might be better.:thumbsup:

[scrumby]

I use MG, it works good. I suspect anyone having trouble with it just cannot resist adding nutes during the first few months. For me using just water until flowering, then adding a flowering formula at very low dosage works just fine.

[Dutch Pimp]

I use MG, it works good. I suspect anyone having trouble with it just cannot resist adding nutes during the first few months. For me using just water until flowering, then adding a flowering formula at very low dosage works just fine.
you're not suppose to tell anybody that!...it's suppose to be a secret...:rolleyes:

[drudown11]

I have two females flowering females that are in the mg soil and the rest of my plants are in fox farms. This is really random but the two in the MG soil are wayyyyy greener than my other ones. The leaves on the other plants are starting to yellow a little(which is normal im the latter stages of flowering) , but the MG soil keeps them nice and green.

[tangent1]

what you are saying about M-G soil is not what the best growers in the world say about it, from what they say miracle grow does not make the finest grow but will work. but not recommended for great strains or seeds for the most potential product. like i said dose your smoke win cannabis cups grown in M-G soil... NO because its not the best, but it works. look up danny dankos soil mix.
it is awesome, and is not fox farm. you have to mix a costly amount of organic additions compiled to have the best ORGANIC grow.

A. good seeds
B. good grow medium
C. good light
D. good grower

now hydro i disagree with but that's just me, the taste and favor and quality is forced and is not natural. you can have a fillet steak but organic fillets are better tasting. same as with cannabis the more organic you keep it wont make supper yields but super quality so it depends, do you want pounds of ok smoke or a smaller amount of great smoke. its up to you really.:thumbsup:

[skyhigh35]

Read the ingredients! MG Organic contains Ammonium Nitrate. If you are looking for some organic yields MG is anything but. Ammonium Nitrate is the bi-product of ammonia and nitric acid! It is contains high levels of nitrogen that some industrial farms use in fields because of it cost effectiveness.

It is also the main ingredient is the Oklahoma City Bombings!!!!!!! Why would you ever want to put something in your body that was used to kill of 160 people ????? The only organic ingredient in the whole mix is the chicken shit they add to give it organic name. If it was really organic, it would have the OMRI stamp on the cover of the bag. As a base MG is far to dense anyway, roots need more air and texture then the packed soil MG makes. There are several other brands that can be bought at any hardware or garden shop that don't contain bomb ingredients. Just read the ingredients before purchasing!!!! Of course MG will grow almost anything you plant in it but do you really want to ingest chemicals used to make bombs?

[Rusty Trichome]

Read the ingredients! MG Organic contains Ammonium Nitrate. If you are looking for some organic yields MG is anything but. Some of us folks are not into marching in lockstep to the "organic is best" drumbeat, anyway. More expensive, sure. But best...? I'm not convinced the differences would even be detectable. Plus, there are certain advantages to using non-organic. Organic is slow in breakdown, uptake and response. Chemicals are already broken-down, and the plant's uptake and response are much quicker.


It is also the main ingredient is the Oklahoma City Bombings!!!!!!! Why would you ever want to put something in your body that was used to kill of 160 people ????? The only organic ingredient in the whole mix is the chicken shit they add to give it organic name. If it was really organic, it would have the OMRI stamp on the cover of the bag. As a base MG is far to dense anyway, roots need more air and texture then the packed soil MG makes. There are several other brands that can be bought at any hardware or garden shop that don't contain bomb ingredients. Just read the ingredients before purchasing!!!! Of course MG will grow almost anything you plant in it but do you really want to ingest chemicals used to make bombs?
ROFLMAO - Weird yet anal connection, but the truth is...MG works fine if you add the perlite, (especially in the cooler months) and use common sense insofar as fertilizing goes. I learned the ins-n-outs of growing cannabis with nothing but MG soil and MG All Purpose nutes. (Alaska ferts for flower) Was the best I could find locally, but I used it quite successfully for a few years.

Are you afraid of smoking Cherry Bomb, too, lol?

[jakester]

Read the ingredients! MG Organic contains Ammonium Nitrate. If you are looking for some organic yields MG is anything but. Ammonium Nitrate is the bi-product of ammonia and nitric acid! It is contains high levels of nitrogen that some industrial farms use in fields because of it cost effectiveness.

It is also the main ingredient is the Oklahoma City Bombings!!!!!!! Why would you ever want to put something in your body that was used to kill of 160 people ????? The only organic ingredient in the whole mix is the chicken shit they add to give it organic name. If it was really organic, it would have the OMRI stamp on the cover of the bag. As a base MG is far to dense anyway, roots need more air and texture then the packed soil MG makes. There are several other brands that can be bought at any hardware or garden shop that don't contain bomb ingredients. Just read the ingredients before purchasing!!!! Of course MG will grow almost anything you plant in it but do you really want to ingest chemicals used to make bombs?That is one lol-larious post. Thanks for the laughs.

[the image reaper]

Miracle-Grow potting soil is OK, as stated, add about 30% perlite ... I used the 'organic' MG version, because it seemed to have the least added fertilizers, of their varieties ... I'm not on the 'organic bus', by a long shot ... I am not convinced the plant can tell the difference between nitrogen obtained from minerals, or obtained from rotting materials ... nitrogen is nitrogen, it's an element ... (I think) :D

[drudown11]

Honestly when I put the MG plants next to the fox farm plants there are only two things I really notice.

1. MG grown plants have GREENER leaves, they are also taller and stretched a little more than the others(Im guessing because of the extra NItrogen in the MG)

2. Fox farms buds Have more visible resin and it almost seemed like they have a little more odor.


Other than that, the plants are identical and all have about the same amount of budsites and are all around the same size and buds look damn near identical(they are all clones of the same strain)

I cant really notice a huge difference and think that all of this bashing on MG soil is unjustified. Cheap...Yes Inorganic...yes , but honestly i cant say that the stuff is bad soil or gives you bad quality product. I doubt that the people making all of these claims ever used the soil.

Thank you RUSTY for coming out with some actual personal experience, other than having all of these people tell me something they heard from somebody over the internet.

[RoundEye]

All I have ever used is MG soil. It works great in my opinion. I still give it a regular feeding of nutrients from SuperNatural. This last grow was 2.5oz per plant dry.

[mmjman]

FACT: I found two 2" x 3" pieces of pressure treated lumber in a bag of MG organic I purchased several months ago. If you want to use a product that has pressure treated lumber in it, then go right ahead.

[TsarBomba]

Im growing currently in an MG mixture, and havent seen any bad results yet... tho I couldnt speak on the cough/flavor of the final product as I haven't harvested and sampled. I do know that they are growing great, without stretching, and without having to add any nutes at all. I have recently started watering with a flowering nute (higher P and K), but only every other watering - plain water in between.
And about ammonium nitrate... its part of every form of fecal-based fertilizer on the planet. Just because its extremely volatile, doesnt mean its bad for plants... just means it has a highly reactive molecule. The reason why Ammonium Nitrate is volatile is because as it is broken down by heat, it creates nitrogen(nearly inert) and concentrated levels of Oxygen. Oxygen is highly reactive, and explosive, but the roots of a plant need it to survive.

So, not trying to be a douche and dismiss someone but just because it goes boom when concentrated, doesnt mean it isnt useful in plant nutes.

I havent personally seen pressure treated wood in MG, but because I havent seen it, doesnt mean it doesnt happen.... It also means that they can have quality control issues, but doesnt every company occasionally?

That said, time released nutes are tricky to work with, since most people are eager to add nutes as soon as the serrated leaves have popped. No doubt, though, that unless you leach the time released particles out of the soil by natural means, the taste of the final results would be affected (even if minor).

sorry about the rant.:rastasmoke: I'd say tho, that overall MG is good, as long as they arent fed until theyre close to 12/12 light. If they are fed additional nutrients, a buildup can occur and the plants get 'locked out'. Then its more difficult to 'flush' since the time-released nutes arent as readily flushed from the medium.
:smokin:

[mrstyx]

Dug a dead shrub out of a planter my wife had outside this past summer. Dropped my seedling in there and keep it watered...3rd week of flower now.

[frostedwonder]

Every company has quality issues, but the level of quality that they set their bar at is terrible. I have used MG soils the organic and the reg stuff for all my house plants. After transplanting those plants tiny flies were born and took awhile to kill off. I have never had anything like that from any other medium other then Miracle Grow. Anything will work i suppose if given the right attention, I just prefer using stuff like promix or Fox Farm products based on my own experience with them. Most towns have nurseries or Home depot etc that would carry at least Promix or some other Organic effective inexpensive alternative. Or at the very least skip the kind of mg that feeds for three months and you shouldn't have too many issues that can't be fixed.

[Dutch Pimp]

If you buy ANY brand of potting soil from a store that stores their bags outside in the rain and elements?...the gnats are gonna lay their eggs in it...especially in the summer.

Ever notice most bags have holes in them?

[drudown11]

FACT: I found two 2" x 3" pieces of pressure treated lumber in a bag of MG organic I purchased several months ago. If you want to use a product that has pressure treated lumber in it, then go right ahead.



I also found a big chunks of wood in the MG as well. Mostly just sticks(some of them quite big though) but roots just grow around them so i didnt think to much of it.

[Rusty Trichome]

It sure gets old defending a perfectly good product, which is widely available to most gardeners in the country. Perfect? No, but it works fine if properly used. (same as any medium) Sure wish these "experts" that invent fresh slams against the product would notice...there are shitloads of us that have successfully used it or currently use it, WITH NO PROBLEMS. No horrific odors, no stunting, no lockouts. It's a medium...not nuclear waste.
So is it really the product, or is it that those without knowledge parroting other uninspired growers, or is it simply the inability of some growers to adapt?

I use MG over the crap Walmart sells (Supersoil) ...every time. More expensive, but worth it if my regular soil (Dr. Q's Filthy Rich) is unavailable, or if I don't have a ride to the nursery.

[drudown11]

[quote=Rusty Trichome]
So is it really the product, or is it that those without knowledge parroting other uninspired growers, or is it simply the inability of some growers to adapt?
QUOTE]




Finally, someone just says it.

[jtsik330]

I have a thread in the closet indoor section with a baby that is growing in MG. I think the MG is pretty good however just like I did people are always tempted to add more nutes and end up hurting the plant. My plant slowed down so i figured when it slowed down i would give it some nutes due to the nutes in the soil may have been gone. So I flushed then added some shultz 10-15-10 and ended up burning the plant pretty bad. The plant would've remained beautiful i believe if I hadn't flushed and added nutes to her.

[frostedwonder]

If you buy ANY brand of potting soil from a store that stores their bags outside in the rain and elements?...the gnats are gonna lay their eggs in it...especially in the summer.

Ever notice most bags have holes in them?

Never even occurred to me..ick Bet that would certainly have something to do with it. I personally have only had that with MG soil but like you said they would have eggs in it if stored in the elements. I think people can practice/excel on just about any type they want its not hard to adjust based on results and experience. Use whats available to you and what works for ya. Anything tailored to Cannabis is worth a look but keeping things basic and simple is all that is needed.

[Italiano715]

Below is a link to my very first grow using MG soil! The stuff that feeds for 3 months. I had wonderful results if I might add! :D You should check it out! Don't let them fool ya, it works if done right!


first grow log...SILVER HAZE (http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/166616-first-grow-log-silver-haze.html)

[mainegrown]

what about the MG seedling mix,, any good i am going to be out of my mix after this transplant and i need a cheap alternative. my information that i have about organics says that crystal and most non organic ferts kill lots of the benefits of the organic.. so can i still use organic ferts with MG??

[Dutch Pimp]

I used the MG Seedling Starter mix, last month. I germinate directly in the soil and all six seeds germinated fine. It's less chunky, than the MG Moisture Control potting mix I use later; very light and fluffy. I still add 25% perlite.

[mehere]

Sounds like you did a good job, BUT be careful using MG it has a lot of salt content that will burn your plants, I have found that peters pro. does a much better job for veg.& flowering all the way round. Just my input, good luck & keep on growing. :rasta:

[scottcc5s]

Below is a link to my very first grow using MG soil! The stuff that feeds for 3 months. I had wonderful results if I might add! :D You should check it out! Don't let them fool ya, it works if done right!


first grow log...SILVER HAZE (http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/166616-first-grow-log-silver-haze.html)

I think you hit the old nail on the head with "if done right".

I used MG (2 month time release) soil for my first grow and screwed up with my inexperience. Of course I JUST HAD to add nutes (5 weeks into veg) and that's when I screwed things up. I think the other thing that screwed me up was that I transplanted late (about 7 weeks) and I think when I did that I was mixing "weaker/old" MG time release soil now with "fresh/new" MG time release so I think I have everything all screwed up to proper levels of food/nutes in my soil.

I have the right lights, I have the right grow room/tent. I think the only reason I am not happy is because I am a first time grower and I screwed it up. :mad:

[mainegrown]

thanks i am headed to the store tomorrow to pick up a bag of the seeding mix and wanted to make sure it was OK..
-J

[jtsik330]

Below is a link to my very first grow using MG soil! The stuff that feeds for 3 months. I had wonderful results if I might add! :D You should check it out! Don't let them fool ya, it works if done right!


first grow log...SILVER HAZE (http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/166616-first-grow-log-silver-haze.html)

that was amazing!!:smokin:

[seventhchild]

MG,WAL-MART,JUNGLE GROWTH.and other national brands are produced regionally.what this means is the MG you buy on the west coast is mixed from different stuff and at a different place than the MG on the east coast or southeast.this results in the grower ALWAYS having to modify the mix to their own needs be it foxfarm ,promix, or mg. Do you want to water your seedlings once a week? add just a little perlite.once a day?add a lot of perlite.PH to high? add peat moss or lime.Ya'll know what i mean?as for BUGS just assume your bagged soil has them and kill them before taking the dirt into your grow area.I dump my soil [after drying and adding perlite,lime,bone meal,etc..]into large black garbage bags and drenching with NEEM oil tie it shut and leave for 2 weeks. seem to work for me.

[jtsik330]

MG,WAL-MART,JUNGLE GROWTH.and other national brands are produced regionally.what this means is the MG you buy on the west coast is mixed from different stuff and at a different place than the MG on the east coast or southeast.this results in the grower ALWAYS having to modify the mix to their own needs be it foxfarm ,promix, or mg. Do you want to water your seedlings once a week? add just a little perlite.once a day?add a lot of perlite.PH to high? add peat moss or lime.Ya'll know what i mean?as for BUGS just assume your bagged soil has them and kill them before taking the dirt into your grow area.I dump my soil [after drying and adding perlite,lime,bone meal,etc..]into large black garbage bags and drenching with NEEM oil tie it shut and leave for 2 weeks. seem to work for me.

holy crap that seems like alot of things to do. So when you purchase soil you dry the soil then spread it out or something to make sure no bugs are in it? Or does that oil just kill everything in there?

[Rusty Trichome]

Most commercial potting mixes are fine without all of that extra work, and in my opinion bugs have more to do with local vendors and thier handling of the pallets of soil, than the carelessness of the maker. And the handling by the gardener after purchase should be thrown-in too, I guess.

IMHO, not worth getting anal about till there's an issue.

[seventhchild]

Most commercial potting mixes are fine without all of that extra work, and in my opinion bugs have more to do with local vendors and thier handling of the pallets of soil, than the carelessness of the maker. And the handling by the gardener after purchase should be thrown-in too, I guess.

IMHO, not worth getting anal about till there's an issue.Most commercial potting mixes SUCK if bought in the region I live in.they hold moisture way to long and drain poorly.quite often the PH is to low.and yes the bugs are most likely local but bugs is bugs and it is always better to deal with them and any soil issues BEFORE planting not after.if messing with your dirt until its prefect and fighting bugs is to much work for you maybe farming is not your cup of tea

[seventhchild]

holy crap that seems like alot of things to do. So when you purchase soil you dry the soil then spread it out or something to make sure no bugs are in it? Or does that oil just kill everything in there?

the soil needs to be spread to dry to make it easy to work with and get some oxygen in there .NEEM doesn't kill most bugs it confuses them.its really not much work, more like play.

[Rusty Trichome]

Yeah...I have no experience, (if you don't count the past couple of decades, from Cali to Texas, and a few points in between) and I am always blowing smoke up someone's ass. But since your methods work for you, "you go girl". :thumbsup:

As with most things in life...if there is an issue, correct it. If there is no issue, likely there's no need to correct it. But isn't corecting a non-existant problem a tad anal?

I do find it intriguing that everyone in your region mishandles their bags of potting mixes to the point that the end user is needing to correct an infection or invasion. My guess it's not the region, but more likely the gardener. Both the nursery and the commercial potting mix companies would go out of business with business practices like that.

Most commercial mixes are fine, and are usually free from weeds and bugs. REGARDLESS OF REGION.

[blowin]

what ferts. should i use for the vege. stage? thanks

[jamessr]

I personally don't like the metallic taste after flowering and curing. Not to mention my brother used the liquid miracle grow. He died from full body cancer in 2006:(...just saying WATCH OUT, life is too short to play Russian roulette.;)

[KillerBudG]

I personally don't like the metallic taste after flowering and curing. Not to mention my brother used the liquid miracle grow. He died from full body cancer in 2006:(...just saying WATCH OUT, life is too short to play Russian roulette.;)

So... Let me get this right, He died from using Mg on his plants huh.? Well I am truly sorry to hear that, And you should maybe look into a lawsuit about that than.! I have used dam near all the Mg Ferts on outside plants and no one I know that has smoked it died or even have gotten cancer. One almost died fro Heroine but that is another story.:thumbsup: I really doubt it was the Mg that gave him cancer, did the doctors tell ya this. Could you actual post some facts on this "theory" that you are stating.? Honestly if it was the Mg I wanna see some hardcore facts, Some kind of information relating Full body cancer to Miracle Grow:wtf:

I think you are just Bashing MG cause you probably screwed up your own grow with it by your stupidity:wtf: :D :thumbsup: Now be off with your lil Illrealevent statements you ignorant jackass.

And I am also using Mg potting soil right now, with time release ferts. And I was using the plant food powder which you mix up with your water. I have not had any problems with either product, As long as you wait atleast 4-5 weeks before a dose of nutes.

O and if the Mg really caused cancer I am sure they would be out of products to sell and bankrupt with plenty of lawsuits.

O and the metallic taste, give a good 2 weeks flush of straight water to leach out any remaining nute buildup in the soil. And The taste gets alot better with a Sloooow dry and a nice cure(3 weeks - 3 months) Imo.!

~One~:rastasmoke:
~BudG~:rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

[Motdot]

Don not use MG. The soil is often very old and/or infested with pests. Plus the ingredients used to make the soil contain toxic chemicals and carcinogens. The saw dust used in MG comes from furniture manufacturers, and I have seen pieces of pressure treated lumber in MG soil myself. PT lumber is treated with arsenic.

I had a huge gnat issue that came out of a MG soil bag. Food for thought guys...:twocents:

[KillerBudG]

Most commercial potting mixes are fine without all of that extra work, and in my opinion bugs have more to do with local vendors and thier handling of the pallets of soil, than the carelessness of the maker. And the handling by the gardener after purchase should be thrown-in too, I guess.

IMHO, not worth getting anal about till there's an issue.

Well said Rusty, It has more to do with the vendor Imo also. I have not had to many bug issues, except the last bag I have bought. And I believe it was because they had the last of stock outside at the end of summer, It was rainy and hot which imo makes for lots of bug problems with dirt, soil,landscape shit in general. Easy way to fix the gnat prob. put a lil layer of sand over the dirt man problem solved:thumbsup:


~One~:rastasmoke:
~BudG~:rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

[jamessr]

So... Let me get this right, He died from using Mg on his plants huh.? Well I am truly sorry to hear that, And you should maybe look into a lawsuit about that than.! I have used dam near all the Mg Ferts on outside plants and no one I know that has smoked it died or even have gotten cancer. One almost died fro Heroine but that is another story.:thumbsup: I really doubt it was the Mg that gave him cancer, did the doctors tell ya this. Could you actual post some facts on this "theory" that you are stating.? Honestly if it was the Mg I wanna see some hardcore facts, Some kind of information relating Full body cancer to Miracle Grow:wtf:

I think you are just Bashing MG cause you probably screwed up your own grow with it by your stupidity:wtf: :D :thumbsup: Now be off with your lil Illrealevent statements you ignorant jackass.

And I am also using Mg potting soil right now, with time release ferts. And I was using the plant food powder which you mix up with your water. I have not had any problems with either product, As long as you wait atleast 4-5 weeks before a dose of nutes.

O and if the Mg really caused cancer I am sure they would be out of products to sell and bankrupt with plenty of lawsuits.

O and the metallic taste, give a good 2 weeks flush of straight water to leach out any remaining nute buildup in the soil. And The taste gets alot better with a Sloooow dry and a nice cure(3 weeks - 3 months) Imo.!

~One~:rastasmoke:
~BudG~:rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

He used it for over 30 yrs. No one knew he used it except me, so no, no one filed any suit. How do you do a wash with time release nutes in the bag of MG? Please enlighten me on this one? The more water you add, the more release happens which is taken up.

The metals are in the nutes, research it. One gets a huge build up in the plant. A plant is organic and retains all heavy metals. I suggest you sell you MG investments so you refrain from telling people they are jackasses.

And the cancer did come from the MG. Unless you claim eating vegetables & smoking pot causes cancer. PROVE THAT ONE HUH? He didn't smoke tobacco and was healthy as an ox. Till he bleed to death out his ears, nose, eyes and mouth. Just something to think about Mr. SCIENTIST.

[superskunk1]

i am currently starting a grow box using 2 bins one upside down on top of the other. My last grow was using MG and now i am going to start using MG organic mix because of the nute problem. Should i mix it with pearlite before i begin to plant my seedlings or should i wait and put pearlite when i see a PH difference???

Thanks in advance for any help and i will be sure to post my grow as soon as i start...

[KillerBudG]

He used it for over 30 yrs. No one knew he used it except me, so no, no one filed any suit. How do you do a wash with time release nutes in the bag of MG? Please enlighten me on this one? The more water you add, the more release happens which is taken up.

The metals are in the nutes, research it. One gets a huge build up in the plant. A plant is organic and retains all heavy metals. I suggest you sell you MG investments so you refrain from telling people they are jackasses.

And the cancer did come from the MG. Unless you claim eating vegetables & smoking pot causes cancer. PROVE THAT ONE HUH? He didn't smoke tobacco and was healthy as an ox. Till . Just something to think about Mr. SCIENTIST.


Hmmm well lets see, My grandma has been using Mg on her garden for years. And never have had an issue throughout my family. Hmm Lets see time released shit, Your plants will use up pretty much all the nutes in sooner or later. I hate to say but the 3 month release is bullshit in its self. And you hit the nail dead on the head fool, Leach out your soil, more water more time released nute released. Keep flushing if you are that concerned but your plants will you most the nutes up. O and a friend of mine mother also uses the Mg in her gardens and I myself have had fruits and veggies from her year after year for at least the last 15 years and guess what no cancer or death so far. Either has my friend or his mother,father and sister.

And you talk about proving shit, Prove the fact your brother death was a direct result from using Mg, Instead of coming throwing bullshit knowledge you believe with no hard fact supporting you argument. Not all of your veggies and fruits, tobacco, Weed, you have consumed was straight 100% organic. And if you smoked any kind of weed off the street or from someone else I can say you have smoked or consumed some kinds of theses 'metals that you can not flush out your products'.

I am not saying i am a SCIENTIST either jackass but here is some shit that can cause all of your brothers symptoms â??lymphogenous disseminationâ?�-Nasal Cavity Cancer....Each year in the United States there are about 1000 new cases of nasal and paranasal sinus cancer leading to about 300 deaths annually from this disease

Since the nasal cavity is so close to the maxillary, ethmoid and sphenoid sinuses, these structures are called the â??paranasal sinusesâ?�, and disease of the nasal cavity can spread to them and vice versa. However, disease starting in the paranasal sinuses tends to be of different types, and is classified separately from nasal cavity diseases. Nasal cavity disease can also spread into the eye sockets by penetrating the thin bone of the â??orbitâ?� (eye socket) surrounding each eye. It can also spread backward to the nasopharynx and brain. As such, there are crucial nerves controlling vision, smell and facial movement (â??cranial nervesâ?�) which can be affected, or even the brain may be invaded by nasal cavity diseases. The skin sensation of the nose is conducted by cranial nerve #5, the large â??trigeminal nerveâ?�-- specifically by its â??maxillary divisionâ?�

There is a rich blood supply to the nose from the nasal, facial and palatine arteries, which branch off the large â??external carotidâ?� arteries which supply the face. The â??internal carotidâ?� arteries are deeper and the main source of blood for the brain. Blood is also drained by similarly named veins into the large â??jugular veinsâ?�, which return it to the heart. Thus the bloodstream can be a route for disease spread, called â??hematogenous disseminationâ?�. There is also a network of â??lymph channelsâ?� which
collect the tissue fluid (which has seeped out of blood vessels to bathe individual cells)

O and it is also noted.. go ask doctors some people bleed from eyes,ears,mouth,nose from having migraines.! O and if you have blood vessels burst in your brain the same will happen as well.

Now I am gonna leave this thread alone, Mods sorry for being so rude and disrespectful. But the bull shit needs to stop with all these people coming littering this site with their bullshit that has no facts or proof.

I repeat there is no problem growing with Mg products, But you have to pay a little more attention and care to you ladies. Most people...,Even a couple jackasses don't agree with Mg because they either had bad experiences with it or can not grow with it. But it does not mean it is not a good product, If you are willing to take your time and not heavily drench your plants wit the metals "Fert". They are products that say they are organics an are really not even 100% organic funny.

O and if I happen to die from my Mg veggies and fruits, And herb Ill make sure I am allowed to post 1 last message stating that It was the Mg and have hardcore fact stating my death was caused by MG.


Lmao at what you said... I know if I had someone as ignorant as you in my family I would make myself bleed from my ear eyes and mouth and die because your a Jackass. Now go read like a good lil lad and learn about the human body since nothing else can cause bleeding except MG.

Good day JACKASS. ...No better yet go bash another site with your B/s. And what you say is bullshit until you can prove Mg makes you bleed from the nose.ear,eyes, and mouth.


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[KillerBudG]

i am currently starting a grow box using 2 bins one upside down on top of the other. My last grow was using MG and now i am going to start using MG organic mix because of the nute problem. Should i mix it with pearlite before i begin to plant my seedlings or should i wait and put pearlite when i see a PH difference???

Thanks in advance for any help and i will be sure to post my grow as soon as i start...

I would mix some per-lite in with you soil 25% per-lite 75% soil, And the organic Mg still has some ferts in it anyway. Read the entire backside of the package they have it written on tit some where. Then when you look at the Mg soil anyway the nutes in it is not really even that high which is funny I can't see how some people screw up with it. But what works for one person may not work for another person.

And bullshit said by one person is still bull shit that was said by that person.


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[seventhchild]

But isn't corecting a non-existant problem a tad anal?

My guess it's not the region, but more likely the gardener. .you are apparently frail and easily offended.however Trollish statements are not productive to open discussions so please keep your replies civil.
Most commercial mixes are fine, and are usually free from weeds and bugs. REGARDLESS OF REGION agreed ,almost always fine right out of the bag but generally you will have below average growth without modifying the mix . the original poster will have much better results if he adds perlite to his MG.
As with most things in life...if there is an issue, correct it. If there is no issue, likely there's no need to correct it.such as watering before your plants wilt?providing ventilation before your plants get to hot?checking for light leaks before switching to 12/12?removing clothing worn outside before entering your indoor garden?Hmmm....maybe i am being anal but i just don't like bugs in my grow room.an oz of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

[superskunk1]

thanks killerbudg i will post a thread about my grow asap, all help is gladly appreciated

[Dutch Pimp]

He used it for over 30 yrs.:thumbsup:

[Rusty Trichome]

maybe i am being anal ..

My sentiments exactly. Your inability to see the situation as it is is laughable. (a good carpenter never blames his tools) I'm not the only gardener here with experience calling your bullshit. Get your facts straight or lurk-n-learn. But trying to blow smoke up our ass will end in your failure as a gardener and as a person in general. :jointsmile:

Frail...? Hardly.

[redtails]

you are apparently frail and easily offended.however Trollish statements are not productive to open discussions so please keep your replies civil.

Am I the only one that laughed when I read this?

And don't go attacking good people who grow great bud like Rusty. Would you join a church only to argue openly with the priest's sermons? I'm not saying he's spouting the word of God, but as a new member you should respect the leaders & long-standing members of this site or go elsewhere...

As for my two cents, I tried MG tomato ferts when I started growing back around the turn of the century and I didn't like it but that was personal preference relating to my growing & feeding style. Obviously it works or they wouldn't still be around and going strong, but IMO there are better fertilizers out there that were formulated especially for mj.

[Italiano715]

Oh and I was thinking on a few posts up.....How can one die from the metals consumed through cannabis, FROM the MG? If I'm not mistaken....It would be nearly impossible to toxify your plant with MG. I mean too much BURNS the little sucker right up....

Oh and like Killer said, time release ferts don't ever last as long as they say. Why do you think people still get nitrogen deficiencies and such throughout the grow? I mean common sense would tell you that.

Also, flushing for at least 2 weeks before harvest WILL get rid of most, if not ALL, the nutes out the soil. Then the drying and curing sha'll get rid of the chlorophyll as well as any nutes left in the bud! So propostrous to actually believe MG killed him....I just don't see no truth behind it. Did they do an autopsy and tell you that? Or did you just assume that because he smoked some MG grown weed. If that's the case, your the first person I've talked to who knows somebody who has died from marjhuana. Everybody knows (if they have a brain) that it isn't true. No offense dude, but you did kinda put yourself out there for criticism. I mean RIP to your brother, but I HIGHLY doubt it was MG itself, unless he was eating the shit by the Tbsp! :D

[KillerBudG]

Oh and I was thinking on a few posts up.....How can one die from the metals consumed through cannabis, FROM the MG? If I'm not mistaken....It would be nearly impossible to toxify your plant with MG. I mean too much BURNS the little sucker right up....

Oh and like Killer said, time release ferts don't ever last as long as they say. Why do you think people still get nitrogen deficiencies and such throughout the grow? I mean common sense would tell you that.

Also, flushing for at least 2 weeks before harvest WILL get rid of most, if not ALL, the nutes out the soil. Then the drying and curing sha'll get rid of the chlorophyll as well as any nutes left in the bud! So propostrous to actually believe MG killed him....I just don't see no truth behind it. Did they do an autopsy and tell you that? Or did you just assume that because he smoked some MG grown weed. If that's the case, your the first person I've talked to who knows somebody who has died from marjhuana. Everybody knows (if they have a brain) that it isn't true. No offense dude, but you did kinda put yourself out there for criticism. I mean RIP to your brother, but I HIGHLY doubt it was MG itself, unless he was eating the shit by the Tbsp! :D

++ Rep, Ya

I can for one say after 4 1/2 weeks i started having N deficiencies with my continuous release Mg and Then about 5-6 weeks with my time release. Doing a grow with both and must say they seem pretty much the same so far. But I will do it again with clones from the same plant to detail the differences if any.:thumbsup:


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[Italiano715]

++ Rep, Ya

I can for one say after 4 1/2 weeks i started having N deficiencies with my continuous release Mg and Then about 5-6 weeks with my time release. Doing a grow with both and must say they seem pretty much the same so far. But I will do it again with clones from the same plant to detail the differences if any.:thumbsup:


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Exactly, because all plants intake nutes differently than others! I have had same results in a little over 4 weeks if I don't use any nutes it starts to show N deficiencies! Ridiculous to think MG actually killed somebody unless consumed directly....wtf :wtf:

[Mississippi Steve]

All I use is MG....the regular kind, not the "moisture control" stuff. Drainage is not a problem nor is the soil over feeding the plants. I don't add any additional nutes until after the plants are 10 weeks old(about 2 weeks into flower) The results speak for themselves.

[Rusty Trichome]

Nice pix, Steve. Great job. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Seems MG has been getting slammed forever in the cannabis community, but even as a newbie I never had a problem bringing a plant to harvest using it. Wonder if it started as a smear campaign by competitors, or bad results from inflexible gardeners, or ideological bullshit from the "organic only" crowd? Whatever the reason, it's nice to see others using it successfully. Doubtful the myth goes away, but it's nice to see cannabis gardeners that can think for themselves. ;)

Lol...Nice Psalm.

[TsarBomba]

Nice yield Steve, looks like someone is having a green christmas:thumbsup:

Totally with you Rusty, next we will hear that MG contains asbestos, PCP's and formaldehyde. Oh and Satan himself dipped his sack into each lot, just to make sure it was nasty stuff. :rastasmoke:

[mainegrown]

i just bought some and when one of the beans sprout i will plant it into the MG seedling mix then see how that works..
pics all the way
-J

[KillerBudG]

Nice pix, Steve. Great job. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Seems MG has been getting slammed forever in the cannabis community, but even as a newbie I never had a problem bringing a plant to harvest using it. Wonder if it started as a smear campaign by competitors, or bad results from inflexible gardeners, or ideological bullshit from the "organic only" crowd? Whatever the reason, it's nice to see others using it successfully. Doubtful the myth goes away, but it's nice to see cannabis gardeners that can think for themselves. ;)

Lol...Nice Psalm.

Exactly, I am a noobie myself and started with Mg soil. I have done a few outdoor grows but my indoor defiantly looks way better already.
My only issue so far has been not having money to get my shit together from start and not having Bloom nutes. And going into flower with small pots but hey you live ya learn. Other than that Mg soil is just as good as anything else, as long as you care for it well.


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Awesome pictures and results you posted Steve. Glad people can show off their rewards using the "Evil death dealing Mg products"

[jtsik330]

Exactly, I am a noobie myself and started with Mg soil. I have done a few outdoor grows but my indoor defiantly looks way better already.
My only issue so far has been not having money to get my shit together from start and not having Bloom nutes. And going into flower with small pots but hey you live ya learn. Other than that Mg soil is just as good as anything else, as long as you care for it well.


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Awesome pictures and results you posted Steve. Glad people can show off their rewards using the "Evil death dealing Mg products"

Agreed, I am not a pro by any means but with just my first plant grown I used the MG moisture control for three months and did not give the plants any for the first couple months and the plant was great> Except for the couple times i overwatered and the fact that I didn't know the plant could be put into flower at any time, I thought it was atleast a good learning experience.

[mainegrown]

always learning... if you dont you wont ever improve
-J

[jamessr]

I never said it wasn't a great plant product, did I? Not that I can see from my reviewed posts.

Hell my brother grew plants upto 12 feet tall with the stuff(liquid mix) and was some of the best cannabis I ever smoked, but that isn't or wasn't my point at all. I was pointing to the fact, that even the MG Company themselves have done heavy metal tests and report their findings. Their product has heavy metals, organic living organisms, animals, mammals after time absorb these heavy metals which in turn affect each differently.

Those of us who have qualifying or terminal medical conditions have some sort of compromise in our health, heavy metal build up can occur. As for the one's who are pro's at using this stuff without compromised health issues, :thumbsup:

For those who do have compromised health issues, should beware that this could potentially be harmful.

For those without the above, obviously have no concerns, correct?

[seventhchild]

should i toss it and go get me some high quaity soil or will I be alright for nowthis is the situation as it.

[seventhchild]

My sentiments exactly. Your inability to see the situation as it is is laughable. (a good carpenter never blames his tools) I'm not the only gardener here with experience calling your bullshit. Get your facts straight or lurk-n-learn. But trying to blow smoke up our ass will end in your failure as a gardener and as a person in general. :jointsmile:

Frail...? Hardly.still sounding like a troll rusty

[Rusty Trichome]

jamessr: Your concerns are well founded, but totally misplaced.

Ever heard of trace elements?
"of the seventeen plant-essential elements, eight (iron, manganese, zinc, copper, boron, molybedium, cobbalt and chlorine) are required in small quantities and are thus called trace elements. Of these eight, iron, manganese, zinc, copper and molybdeum are sometimes refered to as heavy metals..."..."yet the term heavy metal does not distinguish between toxic and non-toxic."
Heavy metal tolerance in plants ... - Google Books (http://books.google.com/books?id=kvsPo4Et5scC&dq=heavy+metals+necessary+for+plant+cell+division&printsec=frontcover&source=in&hl=en&ei=OlozS4ffM4b-sgOjzoG-BA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=11&ved=0CDcQ6AEwCg#v=onepage&q=&f=false)

Most of us in here are concerned with what goes into their grow. My wife has been on chemo for 7 years now, and I'm dealing with chronic Hep-C. So yes...I do pay attention to what goes into my meds.

But regardless of the hype and nonsense behind the Organic Only cult, there has never been any link to non-organic nutrients being detrimental to your health. Now were we talking about using gibbrelins, auxins, silver
thiosulphate, or any other steroidal/hormonal/toxic heavy metal being used to promote gender-bending and/or plant growth, I'd totally agree. I even stopped using Superthrive because of the secrecy behind the ingredient list. (not to mention it doesn't do enough good, to justify use)

If you are going to claim a product is unhealthful...you damn well better be able to back your claims with data. If your data is valid, it will spread across the web like wildfire, and you'd be deemed a hero. If not, all you are spreading is bullshit, and lord knows there's enough bullshit in these forums to last a lifetime.

seventhchild: Not at all interested in your comments on how I appear. It's simple...if you've got a problem with me, then report me. But it's not something I toss-n-turn all night worrying about. :jointsmile:

Merry Christmas, everyone.

[jamessr]

Rusty and others,

I totally agree with not spreading bullshit. I went to the MSDS that MG company puts out. On this data sheet, they list the toxic heavy metals contained in their products as well as non-toxic heavy metals. Mercury is toxic in any form. Although our agencies here in the states allow this toxic substance higher and higher allowances as time goes on. The higher rate of cancer and other serious health issues arise.

Note this is just one toxic substance mentioned which does not ever leave any organic matter and/or cellular structure, even in humans. It is absorbed and stored and is seriously dangerous.It is known to the state of california as a substance which causes cancer. (by the way the autopsy done on my brother confirmed he had full body cancer, head to toe in all his organs, from what is the underlying question here) The MG msds has other toxic heavy metals listed other than mercury. I am not claiming any hero status nor would I if this was/is the case in any given situation.

I have some compromised immune system condition(s), I can not get even near the stuff without having adverse effects on my health. I would ask of those who use this substance on a regular basis to send their cured usable meds to a reputable lab and have it tested for the toxic heavy metals. Share the results here. That's the best way to show either side the facts.

Research what kind of plant the Chernobyl nuclear melt down used to absorb from the ground the toxins. It was the cannabis plant because how it uptakes toxins and stores them. It is well proven cannabis is a absorber of life's harms.

[Rusty Trichome]

You're right. Living in fear is a good way to protect yourself. Up to a point. :thumbsup:

But you are not going to be able to grow cannabis without some form of nutrients, most of which contain trace elements necessary for plant growth and development. (if not, we add them) Quite a few of us in here are dealing with a compromised immune system, but unless you are drinking the stuff straight or bathing in it, doubtful there will be an issue. (have never heard of one) Did you know there are toxins in organic products, too? fish with mercury, bisphenol-A, (an organic can liner in canned foods) Some animal products might contain trace amounts of harmful contaminants like polybrominated diphenyl ethers, polychlorinated biphenyl and dioxins, How inorganics we consume daily...? like aspartame and other artificial sweetners?

I'm not a doctor, and would never assume to offer medical advise. But, one can go overboard with having an over-abundance of caution. Do you believe that if there has ever been evidence to the contrary we'd hide it from you? Were you talking steroidal or hormonal additives, or silver thilosulphate I'd tend to agree with your caution, since gardeners often have direct exposure, (skin contact) and the ability to overdose thier plants with the stuff, and raising the concentration levels within the plant to potentially toxic levels. (not proven, but I'll avoid smoking hormones, thank-you)

Do you smoke cannabis? Have you had these concerns all along? When purchasing your schwag off the street, did you grill your connect as to it's contents?

Again...sorry about your brother, but his story has no place here, as that's all it is...a story. Not a shread of proof one way or the other. It's like saying my 8 year old second cousin died from cancer because of her mom's new boyfriends second hand smoke. (except for the fact that she had cancer years before her mom met the dickhead)

Might be time to relax, and un-pucker. (nobody lives forever) :jointsmile:

[seventhchild]

And don't go attacking good people who grow great bud like Rusty. .Attacking? I was defending my posts . dusty said my facts are wrong , i was spreading bullshit , and that i was being anal. I don't give a *uck how long he's been here or how many posts he has or if you think he's one step below GOD a dick is a dick
as a new member you should respect the leaders & long-standing members of this site or go elsewhere... I only respect those that earn it.I will not be a victim of a trolls ranting and raving and I'm here until I die or get banned .Have a happy New Year

[MrMarijuana12]

man miracle grow is the shit my mom grew her purple kush in miracle grow outside an it grew to be 6 1/2 feet tall an had over a 1 1/2lbs of bomb ass bud on it.

[hillbillyjim]

i used mg potting soil,no fert till flowering, once flowerring began started using mg tomato fert at 25% increased to 50% in two weeks. had 7 plants killed two males remaining 5 are ladies! all grown under 4 4ft.40 watt flourescents,and they are budding like crazy! i wish i had been doing this all my life! this is my 1st crop.:thumbsup:,,ps.there are 4 nightcrawlers in each bucket.

[Rusty Trichome]

I only respect those that earn it.
Somehow I doubt it. But you usually get what you give.


I will not be a victim of a trolls ranting and raving Ahh...the victim card. You poor, poor child. How have you survived these boards without falling apart at the seams? So sorry you've had to endure such hardship in contributing to this thread. In the future I'll make sure to treat you with the the respect you deserve. (not to be confused with the respect you think you deserve) :jointsmile:

MG is fine if used properly, and I've never heard of an adverse reaction. Period.

[mainegrown]

MG is fine if used properly, and I've never heard of an adverse reaction. Period.

i hope so as i just dumped almost a hundred dollars into new soil last night before i went to sleep... i have read the MSDS for MG and it says nothing of 'cancer causing' pathogens... no more than your shampoo does and you could get cancer from shampoo if it had mercury in it!! the odds are just not that good
live life dont let your life live you..
-J

[KillerBudG]

Well I would hate to say it, But as far as this trolling would go. It would not be Rusty or anyone else here that is considered a troll except you seventhchild, and maybe jamessr.

I say you Seventhchild as this thread created by "drudown11"

Here is his original post.: Miracle grow soil

Alright so I have been really busy working and stuff so I havent had alot of time(or mney) to go to the grow store and get my fox farms ocean forest soil. My partners mom owed us some money so she said that when she went to the hardware store she would get us some soil.

I was very clear that I wanted the highest qauility organic potting soil they had. She comes back with some cheap fucking miracle grow pre fertalized shit. I dont want to be rude to her but should i toss it and go get me some high quaity soil or will I be alright for now


And now it has gone to your own personal feud with each other. And is also a crime of thread jacking. I know a lot of people here don't like Rusty, Hell probably half the active members don't like him. Shit some the Mod can't stand him either. But for the last 2 years he has helped a hell of alot of people and gave his own advise to this community to help people that was in need of help when no one else was around. And it is a lot of misleading information being spread around and Rusty steps in an gives his advise and the truths behind it. Some people take it to offensive and the wrong way, Ya rusty might come off negative some times but I was taught constructive criticism is good stimulant for the brain. And when you have people saying stuff about products or techniques they don't know much about or had bad exp. does not mean it is wrong of not useful. If you did not have success with something does not mean it is a bad thing. Instead of bashing something because you could not manage to make it work, People should state they did not have success using it and wait to see if some one else has advise on it.

This is where a ot of misunderstandings start at here, And I agree with Rusty with his way. When you got people bashing a totally fine product, Technique that they misunderstand and fill new growers heads with B/s because they have not succeeded in their trial and error. But after you have a bad experience with something, how many people try to use the products again.? Not to many and when you devote time to something, hours,days,weeks,months,hell years an someone come in contradicting your years spent working on something you will get pretty irritated and pist ya self I am sure of it.

But back to the main thing at hand with this post, this is someone else thread so let us start by contributing positive information for people to learn from instead of asking the same thing again in 3 months. This thread was started Nov-09-2009, 13:29 And 4 pages later its just bickering that is not need here. If you dislike Rusty so much and would like to argue your points further can ya make a new thread called seventhchild ego Vs Rusty & his Ego.

Something along the line, Cause we have already broken board rules here by thread jacking for our own personal issues:jointsmile:


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[KillerBudG]

i hope so as i just dumped almost a hundred dollars into new soil last night before i went to sleep... i have read the MSDS for MG and it says nothing of 'cancer causing' pathogens... no more than your shampoo does and you could get cancer from shampoo if it had mercury in it!! the odds are just not that good
live life dont let your life live you..
-J
You spent a hundred on soil, How big is your room and hom many plants you running.? I get a bag of soil for like 13 bucks that fills 4 5 gal. buckets up.?:wtf:
I guess go big or go ya ass home.:hippy:

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[hillbillyjim]

killerbud,great comment on the feuding, i love miracle-gro,call it cheap crap folks but it works!my family has used their products for years! no tumors yet!

[mainegrown]

well i got 4 bags of MG MC and 2 bales of promix bx...
was just over a hundo..
and now i have to go get a couple new nutes and more organics... it never seems to end
and as a humorous note my Promix is frozen solid!! dont that suck i have it over a heat register and am hoping it will thaw before i have to transplant in the next couple days!!
-J

[seventhchild]

MG,WAL-MART,JUNGLE GROWTH.and other national brands are produced regionally.what this means is the MG you buy on the west coast is mixed from different stuff and at a different place than the MG on the east coast or southeast.this results in the grower ALWAYS having to modify the mix to their own needs be it foxfarm ,promix, or mg. Do you want to water your seedlings once a week? add just a little perlite.once a day?add a lot of perlite.PH to high? add peat moss or lime.Ya'll know what i mean?as for BUGS just assume your bagged soil has them and kill them before taking the dirt into your grow area.I dump my soil [after drying and adding perlite,lime,bone meal,etc..]into large black garbage bags and drenching with NEEM oil tie it shut and leave for 2 weeks. seem to work for me.after a review of my posts in this thread I do find a couple of facts that need correcting , both in the above quote.....should read ....[this results in the grower SOMETIMES having to modify the mix to their own needs be it JUNGLE GROWTH , promix ,or mg].........Foxfarm is an excellent right from the bag mix very similar to what i create using MG as a base and should not have been included in the list. KillerBudG heres something you need to read General Reading Comprehension . NOW Classroom . NOW | PBS (http://www.pbs.org/now/classroom/lessonplan-06.html) and this http://boards.cannabis.com/feedback-suggestions/148149-messageboard-rules.html

[mehere]

My exp: with MG was it has a lot of salt content build up in it, I have found the best result with peters pro:Just my 2 cents, hope this helps.:rasta::stoned:

[mainegrown]

y not promix then? it is the same cost as MG but clean?? works for me either way though
~MG