America is not free.

[peble]

AMERICA IS TO BE FREE! (EVERYONE AGREES EXCEPT TALIBAN, KOREA, A FEW OTHERS, AND THE JOKER,) but how can we be free with millions of laws being shoved down our throat by lady liberty's torch, and uncle sam's finger!

FREEDOM: exemption from external control, interference, regulation, etc.

WHAT THE F@#$! IS OUR DICTIONARY WRONG?!?! OMG AMERICA IS NOT FREE?!? DID WEBSTER MAKE A MISPRINT?! no he did not there are 17 definitions of freedom and not one constitutes that you can have laws and regulations and still be free.

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[Islandborn]

Methamphetamine is a terrible, terrible, drug.:rastasmoke:

[higher4hockey]

America is not free.

yes it is. :wtf:

[crunksquirrel]

yes it is. :wtf:

no, its not.:(

[peble]

yes it is. :wtf:

how can u say that when u see what freedom actually means NO REGULATIONS/LAWS... and you try and count or even google to find the exact number of laws America has.

I'm not saying say murder is ok or what ever but the government is becoming more and more powerful compared to the citizens, which according to washington was never supposed to happen, thats one of the reason we have the 2nd amendment... to keep the government in line when needed(you will never here a politician admit it but it is 100% true! read the whole 2nd amendment and see what they leave out!

You know how to tell if a politician is just another old guy looking for power and money? He will tell you that America is free, and then pass a BS law the next day to make taxes (and his salary) higher (thanks bama! have fun spending half my paycheck on shit we don't need!:thumbsup:)

[Thizz All Day]

Go live in any of the following; Africa, South America, China, anywhere in the middle east, russia, korea, basically 95% of the countries.

And you will see how fucking nice and easy you have it here in America. What? Just because you gotta be slightly paranoid about the law when you smoke weed? If you don't have any ideas/reason to make a difference, then quit bitching.

I can't stand the government either. The laws nowadays are getting out of hand and seem to only be made to further break humans down into perfect little robots (but it could be so much worse). Chill out. As long as money runs the world, the government and their disgusting ways are here to stay.

You wanna start making a change? Assassinating the corporate CEO's that run this world seems like a good start.

[LOC NAR on probation]

Go live in any of the following; Africa, South America, China, anywhere in the middle east, russia, korea, basically 95% of the countries.

And you will see how fucking nice and easy you have it here in America. What? Just because you gotta be slightly paranoid about the law when you smoke weed? If you don't have any ideas/reason to make a difference, then quit bitching.

I can't stand the government either. The laws nowadays are getting out of hand and seem to only be made to further break humans down into perfect little robots (but it could be so much worse). Chill out. As long as money runs the world, the government and their disgusting ways are here to stay.

You wanna start making a change? Assassinating the corporate CEO's that run this world seems like a good start.

Freedom can only be achieved once more from a CRY of the people the likes even GOD or Pharo has never heard before.

Those that can give up basic liberties and freedom for even temporary relief.
Should not expect FREEDOM nor disserve FREEDOM.

There is a price and I am willing to pay it as my father and his fathers did.

As our forfathers said. (Damn the Rum and fire up the cooper pots and hand me my pipe. We got some smoking to do boys.)

[boaz]

yes it is. :wtf:

yeah, i gotta agree, I'm feeling pretty free right now.

Peble, Yes, we do have a sh*tload of laws to reform but we inherited all the tools we need to do it, The Constitution of The United States of America. what more do you want? get to work. :rasta:

[peble]

I'm not moving from my country because f#$%ed up politicians are screwing it up, we need to kick them the hell out. We do have more freedom then other countries, but in the span of say 40 years look how many regulations and laws there are imagine 100 years... no one is stopping them, look at the statistics for countries that accumulate tons and tons of laws they turn into dictatorships and sh$t.

I don't know about you but i don't want to just sit back "oh yeah i feel free, so I'm not going to complain," when what is happening now is going to effect my future kids, and the generations to come. Just my opinion guys, sorry if I caused some tension. I love America, and what it was founded on, that's why I care so much.

[boaz]

^ i hear you man. no fault in questioning the powers that be. :smokin:

[higher4hockey]

America does have a lot of laws... but when you boil it all down, I don't have a problem with very many of them. My biggest issue is gun control, but thankfully for me I live in PA which has pretty respectable gun laws. I can carrry a concealed weapon on me here in good ol PA. Laws are put in place for the good of the country and it's citizens. I don't have a problem with really any of the laws here. Someone is probably goign to ask: "how can you say that posting on a website about reefer?" well the answer is, I've been apart of this forum for a long time now, and just because I stopped smoking dope doesn't mean I stopped posting here. So the fact that I don't smoke or even really think about weed at all anymore, the fact that it's illegal doesn't bother me in the least. Sucks for you guys and all my friends/relatives that smoke!

but yeah, America is the greatest country in the world. It's good to see that folks like peble are taking an interest in making sure it stays a great country, just don't say it's not free. A lot of people gave their lives to make sure this country stays the best in the world. I mean come on, it's almost veterans day...don't be saying this country isn't free. That is pretty disrespectful.

[cannabis=freedom]

Whenever anyone (ALWAYS an American) says the U.S. is the greatest country in the world, I can't help but roll my eyes and think Uncle Sam has taught him well. Mainly because they can never give me a real reason why.

I've travelled a lot in the last couple of years, and the best country I've come across is France. I've been in about twenty U.S. states, and the people in every single one of them were much, much ruder than they are in France, and much more ignorant with culture and politics and so on. The French government also actually fears the people, who riot when a law or something really pisses them off. The Pentagon on the other side is so mighty it's not really a concern if 10,000 protesters show up--they know they'll have their way forever. There's so much more sexual openness in France, no ultra-rigid drinking laws that only raise teen drinking binges, etc. Europe is a cultural gem in general.

So someone enlighten me please....explain the U.S. as the world's #1 country?

[Islandborn]

Whenever anyone (ALWAYS an American) says the U.S. is the greatest country in the world, I can't help but roll my eyes and think Uncle Sam has taught him well. Mainly because they can never give me a real reason why.

I've travelled a lot in the last couple of years, and the best country I've come across is France. I've been in about twenty U.S. states, and the people in every single one of them were much, much ruder than they are in France, and much more ignorant with culture and politics and so on. The French government also actually fears the people, who riot when a law or something really pisses them off. The Pentagon on the other side is so mighty it's not really a concern if 10,000 protesters show up--they know they'll have their way forever. There's so much more sexual openness in France, no ultra-rigid drinking laws that only raise teen drinking binges, etc. Europe is a cultural gem in general.

So someone enlighten me please....explain the U.S. as the world's #1 country?

France lol.....I had to laugh at this one. Aint no uncultured or untraveled Yank here my friend. Ill never forget going to a football match in the burbs of Paris in 2005.....EVERYTIME a black guy touched the ball the ENTIRE stadium erupted into Monkey sounds......the ENITRE stadium. I have never seen anything like it. Or lets head over to Warsaw Poland where their Govt. refused to let some Jewish football players come their country because some Muslims were offended....Is this the cultural gem your referring to lol? Leave it to .....the video of the cultured parisans mocking minorities is all over youtube if people wanna watch it for themselves.

Riots huh.....the last riots I remember were all the muslims burning trashcans and working peoples cars in Paris because they got their sensitive feelings hurt,awwwwww, so sad.

Belgium is more cultured and accepting than France these days.....Compared to London or Prague....Paris is the armpit of Europe homie.:pimp: The glory days are gone.....Hell I had a better time in Belgrade than Paris

[Islandborn]

How is Ameica better....lets see...off the top of my head. Our healthcare system (with all it's prblems) is better than Canadas or France's. Shit Canadians come by the busload to Minnesota for treatment and pills the canadian govt. WONT pay for.

Thats just one.

[metalred333]

US is the RICHEST and GREEDIEST country ill say that. greed is the answer to all that you all are speaking on. because yes this country WAS founded with great intentions to be the BEST country in the world. just like a company might begin, with talks of treating the employees with equality and respect, and all with great benefits and rights galore...until that is of course the power and money and respect started to build and those with all those possesions couldnt control the human nature most of us hide. they started to ignore the "good" instilled in most at the time by religion...the fear of god and all. the ones whose pockets and mansions grew ignored their ever growing smaller conscience yelling in their ears. eventually over time...the snowball's grown. and those with power, are still in control. is this a "free" country...well yeah in the ideas of its structure...but nowadays can we really say the "structure" of this country is good. we vote...but is it really us that is heard? when you go to the store and something is free...you dont gotta pay the person behind the counter any $ right?...well then why do i gotta pay so goddamn much to live in this country if its a free country? yeah it's one of my personal motto's to say it could always be worse...cause it could. but dont let that really blind you from whats going on, distract and let you enjoy yer day? sure...but dont be fooled...nothing in this life is free, especially not the american people...we are all controlled, and if you dont see that? well than congrats modern-day uncle sam...yer winning!

[Islandborn]

Our Military is better equipped and stronger than either Canada or France. Our Military actually fights, unlike France where they would now be speaking German and killing Jews...Canada does fight.

We have a bigger, richer, middle class than either nation and that speaks volumes. Even in a downturn and war.

More LEGAL immigrants CHOOSE America over Canada or France, and that continues right now.

Our women are WAY hotter and have nicer teeth than any native born French woman (not counting foreigner models in France)

Our food is better than French food. Shit, British food is better than French food

We have a bigger, ri

[boaz]

Whenever anyone (ALWAYS an American) says the U.S. is the greatest country in the world, I can't help but roll my eyes and think Uncle Sam has taught him well. Mainly because they can never give me a real reason why.


Because it ain't Canada. :rastasmoke:

[boaz]

^ just kidding of course, I love Canada but get tired of hearing some of them bash the US, its almost like an obsession with some of them. In contrast, most people in the US probably couldn't even tell you where Canada was on a map. :D

[psychocat]

You guys ! :S2:

You yanks and cannucks are okay. :thumbsup:

[higher4hockey]

Whenever anyone (ALWAYS an American) says the U.S. is the greatest country in the world, I can't help but roll my eyes and think Uncle Sam has taught him well. Mainly because they can never give me a real reason why.

I've travelled a lot in the last couple of years, and the best country I've come across is France. I've been in about twenty U.S. states, and the people in every single one of them were much, much ruder than they are in France, and much more ignorant with culture and politics and so on. The French government also actually fears the people, who riot when a law or something really pisses them off. The Pentagon on the other side is so mighty it's not really a concern if 10,000 protesters show up--they know they'll have their way forever. There's so much more sexual openness in France, no ultra-rigid drinking laws that only raise teen drinking binges, etc. Europe is a cultural gem in general.

So someone enlighten me please....explain the U.S. as the world's #1 country?

because our tanks don't have five reverse gears and one forward, also a white flag isn't standard issue in the service :D

[cannabis=freedom]

Our Military is better equipped and stronger than either Canada or France. Our Military actually fights, unlike France where they would now be speaking German and killing Jews...Canada does fight.

We have a bigger, richer, middle class than either nation and that speaks volumes. Even in a downturn and war.

More LEGAL immigrants CHOOSE America over Canada or France, and that continues right now.

Our women are WAY hotter and have nicer teeth than any native born French woman (not counting foreigner models in France)

Our food is better than French food. Shit, British food is better than French food

We have a bigger, ri

Yes, Canada fights, and I'm ashamed of it. If a country's greatness is measured on how much sand you can kick in the other kids' faces, then you win.

The bigger, richer middle-class part is just plain horseshit. I can't speak for France (though I'd assume), but Canada has much less poverty, as I've observed touring the U.S., where basically every major city has some pretty ugly poverty. Non-patriots tend to know that few places in the world is the gap between the tiny wealthy elite and the ever-growing lower-class masses greater than in America.

As for immigrants...a country's reputation doesn't always make it so.

The women part is a matter of opinion, but I personally find the French birds that I saw much easier on the eyes (and less obese in general).

The one point that I'm ASTOUNDED you made, however, was about the food. I've never, ever eaten better than French food, which far outstrips the homogenized swill we have in North America (Canada included).

Look at this, for one...you're defending your country out of patriotic zeal, and I'm advocating a country I was neither born or raised in, nor have any heritage of. One of us might be a little more biased than the other.

And as for your charges of racism...I'd argue in the U.S. it's just as rampant, just more suppressed (except in the south).

And I've never been to Norway, but apparently it's consistently ranked as the world's top country. I'd like to look into that one. The U.N. index has never to my knowledge ranked the U.S. as #1, at least in recent years.

I have nothing against the U.S., I'm just saying there are better countries and people shouldn't be so biased. Oh, but American health care is disgusting, and no one can argue otherwise (except for the wealthy, who can afford the top treatment, the others get left in the dirt, have to pay many times the insurance rates that Canadians do in health taxes, and often get dropped by the companies when they get a major illness. Great).

[boaz]

The one point that I'm ASTOUNDED you made, however, was about the food. I've never, ever eaten better than French food, which far outstrips the homogenized swill we have in North America (Canada included).

yeah, I gotta admit the duck I had in Paris was about the tastiest meal I have ever had. :thumbsup: Bon Apetite'. :D the pizza we had in Germany and France was much better than the ones we had in Italy, too. go figure. :jointsmile: okay new thread idea, things we love about Europe and we'll just let this thread die out.

[smello]

because our tanks don't have five reverse gears and one forward, also a white flag isn't standard issue in the service :D

;)oui oui

[peble]

lol im not talking about who is stronger guys, I'm talking about being free! In north korea Kim Bong Lee (dictator lol) tells his country they are free and the citizens believe it! They have pulled a blanket over those poor people! if I could put a bullet in his head i would and forget about it with a smile on my face by the time the next blunt comes around; he is a sick and discusting thing (no even considered a human to me because he treats his country like dogs, fenced in and sheltered from the outside world.)
YouTube - Welcome to North Korea by Peter Tetteroo and Raymond Feddema / Documentary Educational Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ6E3cShcVU) (sorry if I cant post links, but this is educational)

Also I am a big gun control activist as well! I'm a life member of the NRA! People need to realize the 2nd amendment was put in the constitution to keep the government in line, so they cannot overpower the people! Any politician that wants to take away guns knows this! They want more power and money which can be achieved by un-arming the citizens on AMERICA! All of them know that if they ban guns crime will not cease. think of it this way, drugs are illegal but criminals still get them, if guns were illegal they will still get them! The only people who are getting their guns taken are law-abiding citizens! The government will never take my f#$%ing guns, only from "my cold dead fingers", if they do try to let me tell you this THERE WILL BE ANOTHER CIVIL WAR, and the military will not back the president at that time.

[boaz]

... I'm a life member of the NRA! People need to realize the 2nd amendment was put in the constitution to keep the government in line, so they cannot overpower the people! Any politician that wants to take away guns knows this! They want more power and money which can be achieved by un-arming the citizens on AMERICA! ...

:thumbsup:

peble, i have a suggestion. start a new thread called the US is free, and continue this line of thought there. its like H4H was saying, a lot of people on here may agree with what you are actually saying but not very many Americans are going to agree with the title of this thread. The point you just made above is a good evidence that we are free, right? :)

I'm not saying we don't have to fight to stay that way but lets all agree this the US ain't North Korea. We have a rights here given to us by our creator that must be defended, but can be defended.

[LOC NAR on probation]

How free are we ?

Let's see. When you can be arrested for INTENT. How free are you ?

That's just thinking. Not a conspiracy that's making plans just thinking about something.

You can have your gun but just don't think about using them.

Oh, they convicted me of not growing. That was not enough. They convicted me of INTENT to sell and that's it. What I never intended to do but is the worst they can put on you. Intent to sell to little kids and that makes you a terrorist too.

[boaz]

^ I agree with you about "intent" laws, they are total bullshit. it would be like charging with someone with "intent to commit armed robbery" just because they own a gun. only with cannabis laws do they get away with that kind of logic. :wtf:

[MadSativa]

because our tanks don't have five reverse gears and one forward, also a white flag isn't standard issue in the service :D

HAHA...........YEAH!!! SEMPER FI

gotta add
And because when the shit hits the fan its the US Marines that lead the way





again gotta add, my flags are their on the corner because I am proud not because I cant figure out how to change it.

[the image reaper]

" freedom's just another word, for nothing left to lose " - Kris Kristofferson, West Point grad., helicopter gunship pilot, Vietnam ...

don't know about some of you, but I feel pretty free ... I do pretty much as I please, take care of myself, best I can ... ever wonder what's the most important thing you realize, as you get old ?, that all your bitching and whining, over the years, only contributed to your high blood pressure, and not much else ... ;)

relax, take life for what it is, there is really very little you can do to change it ... you live for awhile, then the really serious shit hits the fan, worry about that, instead ... :smokin:

[discodood]

As an Australian. I cant really comment on America. I dont really want to comment at all.

All i really want to say is:

If someone is prepared to stand up, take control, be prepared for a bloody hard fight and most of all, TAKE RESPONSIBILITY. They would have my vote.

Complaining on a forum of how we arent free is B/S...remember you are free to run for Presidency / Prime Minister if you do really want to make a change.

Maybe run for Member of Parliament for your area. That vote is down to the Local People and they will decide upon what you tell them if your who they want.

Ill put my hand up now. I have a perfect solution. Instead of working for money to get what you need. How about cutting a step out and working for what you need? If you have a farm of corn,i will help you sow the seeds. We all eat corn. If i have cattle,help me milk them,we will all have milk.

Its the simple,help yourself to help others. If you can only help yourself than it must not be worth doing.

If 10 people help you,it takes a 10th of the time. Sooner or later we all have so much time,well be looking to help each other. As it is now. People have no time on their hands so pretty much everyone cops an F YOU! That continues in a big loop til everyones rooting each other...pretty much where we are now.

My bottom line is. Unless you are pro actively doing something to change this,you cant exactly complain. And complaining only makes things worse...

Start looking for change and actually looking. Scratch the surface and start to dig...it goes so deep.
I hope to see you on the other side :)

[BlueBlazer]

" freedom's just another word, for nothing left to lose " - Kris Kristofferson, West Point grad., helicopter gunship pilot, Vietnam ...

don't know about some of you, but I feel pretty free ... I do pretty much as I please, take care of myself, best I can ... ever wonder what's the most important thing you realize, as you get old ?, that all your bitching and whining, over the years, only contributed to your high blood pressure, and not much else ... ;)

relax, take life for what it is, there is really very little you can do to change it ... you live for awhile, then the really serious shit hits the fan, worry about that, instead ... :smokin:

Completely agree. :thumbsup:

The outlook I have now in my middle age is much more mellow than when I was young. I was an idealist then and have become a skeptic now.

Our government is not necessarily concerned with our rights and best interests, but it could be much, much worse. Visit a truly repressed country and you'll soon recognize how much freedom you have here.

For me life is pretty comfortable now. I expect less, desire less, and have more of a feeling of fulfillment.

[the image reaper]

Completely agree. :thumbsup:

The outlook I have now in my middle age is much more mellow than when I was young. I was an idealist then and have become a skeptic now.

Our government is not necessarily concerned with our rights and best interests, but it could be much, much worse. Visit a truly repressed country and you'll soon recognize how much freedom you have here.

For me life is pretty comfortable now. I expect less, desire less, and have more of a feeling of fulfillment.

Completely agree :thumbsup: ... yup, me too :D

[psychocat]

^ I agree with you about "intent" laws, they are total bullshit. it would be like charging with someone with "intent to commit armed robbery" just because they own a gun. only with cannabis laws do they get away with that kind of logic. :wtf:

It isn't just cannabis, they started 2 wars based on that premise too.
Pre-emptive strike is bullshit , if I hit someone in the street who I thought may hit me I would be charged with assault.
I can just see the courtroom and judge buying my defence of "I was sure he was gonna hit me governor" ;)

[boaz]

It isn't just cannabis, they started 2 wars based on that premise too.
Pre-emptive strike is bullshit , if I hit someone in the street who I thought may hit me I would be charged with assault.
I can just see the courtroom and judge buying my defence of "I was sure he was gonna hit me governor" ;)

okay, I stand corrected only cannabis laws and the bush doctrine. :jointsmile: your preachin to choir on that, my friend, I have never been a big fan of war. :)

[boaz]

As an Australian. I cant really comment on America. I dont really want to comment at all.

All i really want to say is:

If someone is prepared to stand up, take control, be prepared for a bloody hard fight and most of all, TAKE RESPONSIBILITY. They would have my vote.

Complaining on a forum of how we arent free is B/S...remember you are free to run for Presidency / Prime Minister if you do really want to make a change.

Maybe run for Member of Parliament for your area. That vote is down to the Local People and they will decide upon what you tell them if your who they want.

Ill put my hand up now. I have a perfect solution. Instead of working for money to get what you need. How about cutting a step out and working for what you need? If you have a farm of corn,i will help you sow the seeds. We all eat corn. If i have cattle,help me milk them,we will all have milk.

Its the simple,help yourself to help others. If you can only help yourself than it must not be worth doing.

If 10 people help you,it takes a 10th of the time. Sooner or later we all have so much time,well be looking to help each other. As it is now. People have no time on their hands so pretty much everyone cops an F YOU! That continues in a big loop til everyones rooting each other...pretty much where we are now.

My bottom line is. Unless you are pro actively doing something to change this,you cant exactly complain. And complaining only makes things worse...

Start looking for change and actually looking. Scratch the surface and start to dig...it goes so deep.
I hope to see you on the other side :)

:smokin: Welcome to Can Com! :rasta: I like your idea of getting back to basics, concentrating on what is really important, what can we yield from the gound up. :greenthumb: cause, really what more does one need?

[Trip06]

Use the times of peace to prepare yourselves for the times of war, while enjoying yourselves with family and friends.

[CannaChrist]

Freedom is a choice. You can do anything you want. You just have to be willing to accept the consequences of your actions. Actually you don't even have to be willing. We have to have penalties for people that would trample on your rights etc. But when those laws trample my rights to injest anything I desire (cannabis), and in doing so I am not harming anyone. Then no.
The United States is certainly not a free country. Far far from it. It is sickening to me how bad it really is. I am all for the constitution and what it is supposed to protect. Like my religious right to commune with nature and pursue happiness.
I choose to be free daily. I just hide it from authority because even though here in Wa. I have MMJ recommendation, it is still technically illegal.
:rastasmoke:

[SirSmellyEwic]

yeah, i gotta agree, I'm feeling pretty free right now.

Peble, Yes, we do have a sh*tload of laws to reform but we inherited all the tools we need to do it, The Constitution of The United States of America. what more do you want? get to work. :rasta:

the constitution without the bill of rights... is merely a tool to control you. We are not free... not because of the laws and such... we are not free, because the corporations are. They are the reasons for such laws. Pot will never be legal as long as the alcohol industry owns enough senators and congressmen etc etc for many other rules and whatnot. corporations should've never been given individual rights... bc they aren't individuals.

Lets look at what the toilet paper you believe in so much sets up.

Several writers stated it was designed to keep the majority of the population from passing the laws they wanted.... umm... that's what democracy is. Yes there definately should be minority protection... but we should look at the definition of minority... the constitution looks at it as a numbers game rather than a power and money game... hence the corporate/upper class can be considered a "minority." when they in fact have all the power. they didn't care about protecting minority groups of actual people. the founders only wanted to protect their money and property from the masses, and they wanted to take all the money from the masses. by making "big" government the bad guy.

While we gained property rights we'd never be able to fully utilize... we may own some land or a house but not means of production. we lost sustenance rights... the right to food, shelter etc. things that keep you alive... health care for example. here's how we got there:

Constitution sets up Two houses of congress... one is set up to actually represent the population... based on population a state gets so many house members. Yet the more powerful more convoluted Senate was based on an equal number 2... for each state. This would allow states with a small population to enforce their will upon the rest of the nation... if you don't believe that's how it worked... look at Joe LIEberman. and he's not even representing his constituents. The Senate is designed to protect one minority group... those with insane amounts of money. And this is just the legislative branch. the senate also gets to confirm the judicial high kings with life terms of the supreme court ( the very group that gave corporations individual rights) Now whether the founders schemed for it to end up like this is a silly question. I do not believe the forsaw this. They were acting merely in self-interest while they created a monster.

Further weakening the house... is that it's a winner take all system. Rather than European Proportional Representation, we have single-district plurality system. This system is designed to only allow two major parties. whereas the european system allows more. Ours stifles third parties. So the ruling class can control two parties that don't have a need to represent the people... and the individuals in those parties who want to represent the people are either not re-elected, or they end up in the house with little power... or if they make it to the senate, they are filibustered against and all their lil ppl ideas will be watered down by the Senate's process.

So two out of three branches... controlled. Of course the president can cause some problems, but not really, thanks to corporations having individual rights now, which is thanks to the Senate approved Judicial branch. corporations are allowed to by advertising for a candidate without it counting as a donation. soft money it's called.

The only tool we have is our vote. and that tool has been rendered USELESS by the constitution you so proudly say gives us freedom. If this is freedom, i'd hate to see what slavery was.

Government is supposed to be there to protect people... but it is there today to protect corporations and help them exploit us... our tax money is spent on R&D for corporations new products... they don't even have to risk their own capital... that economic system friends, is not capitalism even... it's fascism. Corporatism and Fascism are the same thing... just look at Mussolini's economy... as well as Hitlers... yes Hitler's party was called "socialist" in name, but it merely functiond as a reverse socialist party aka fascism in the economy.

Thankfully we do have the Bill Of Rights... which most founders didn't even want to give us. It was thrown in as a compromise. That does give us what little freedom we have. And that i support. As for the rest of the constitution... i do not.

Our only way to freedom is to take back the government however, not to eliminate it.

[SirSmellyEwic]

Freedom is a choice. You can do anything you want. You just have to be willing to accept the consequences of your actions. Actually you don't even have to be willing. We have to have penalties for people that would trample on your rights etc. But when those laws trample my rights to injest anything I desire (cannabis), and in doing so I am not harming anyone. Then no.
The United States is certainly not a free country. Far far from it. It is sickening to me how bad it really is. I am all for the constitution and what it is supposed to protect. Like my religious right to commune with nature and pursue happiness.
I choose to be free daily. I just hide it from authority because even though here in Wa. I have MMJ recommendation, it is still technically illegal.
:rastasmoke:

well really ur first point here makes sense. we are in the Foucauldian sense free. because we can do what we want... you are free because you do still injest what you want. but in any government you can do what you want.

Rights are not something that come down from the sky... you grant them to yourself. I may grant myself the right to trample over others. someone may grant the right to trample over mine. but like you said... you "choose" to be free daily... i would prefer it phrased "you will to be free daily" because choice... eh, if you rewind time, then play again, youd do the same thing, because you won't have the hindsight you have when you look at the past, because your mind would rewind as well.

but yes... good points... very ubermensch.

[SirSmellyEwic]

As an Australian. I cant really comment on America. I dont really want to comment at all.


Complaining on a forum of how we arent free is B/S...remember you are free to run for Presidency / Prime Minister if you do really want to make a change.


And complaining about people complaining on a forum of how they aren't free is what?

and why can't you comment on america... that sounds like slave morality. i will comment on your country. i think we should adopt your monetary-fine for not voting. if 100% of the people voted here, we would be "free" in the sense that we'd control the government not the corporations.

you are to free to run, only once you are too old not to care here tho. once the system has made u part of it, or destroyed your will.

i like our freedom to complain. i believe in ripple effect. I'm a sociologist. and simply typing something on a forum will effect someone somewhere else... n then they may have conversation with someone who disagrees, but someone else overhears, and understands, and it opens their eyes.

we are all just molecules bouncing off each other.

However one is always "free" if they will to be.

[Trip06]

You have no right to anything, Your born into a world where you have no rights. Rights are just something you settle/agree to have imposed on yourself to be given a handout/acknowledgement by the guberment. Survival is everything. Think about your rights and ask yourself are they really needs or wants. There is a difference.

[Trip06]

A right is something you believe is Owed to you. The right to eat, the right to drink, the right to go to work and live a happy life. You may think you have these rights but they are just wants. Your rights are only wants fullfilled if the second party your trying to convince agrees with you.

[fakefakerson]

How free are we ?

Let's see. When you can be arrested for INTENT. How free are you ?

That's just thinking. Not a conspiracy that's making plans just thinking about something.

You can have your gun but just don't think about using them.

Oh, they convicted me of not growing. That was not enough. They convicted me of INTENT to sell and that's it. What I never intended to do but is the worst they can put on you. Intent to sell to little kids and that makes you a terrorist too.


Not to be a dick, but we are still free. I am high as hell. Fuck yeah!!!!! Read my other threads. Hell yeah.

[LOC NAR on probation]

Not to be a dick, but we are still free. I am high as hell. Fuck yeah!!!!! Read my other threads. Hell yeah.

No offence taken.

What kind of job do you have that doesn't test ?
There are not many of those left.

You may be high but it is illeagle so we can not go out in public and enjoy. Or we would be sitting down burning now, not just paranoid that the other guy is a narc or worse a mooch.. lol.

I guess all I'm saying is the only right I have is to the pursuit of happiness.
As long as we don't hurt anyone in the process.

Wish we could all just sit down and burn one and talk. It's what the world need right now.

[palerider7777]

No offence taken.

What kind of job do you have that doesn't test ?
There are not many of those left.

You may be high but it is illeagle so we can not go out in public and enjoy. Or we would be sitting down burning now, not just paranoid that the other guy is a narc or worse a mooch.. lol.

I guess all I'm saying is the only right I have is to the pursuit of happiness.
As long as we don't hurt anyone in the process.

Wish we could all just sit down and burn one and talk. It's what the world need right now.

it's all smoke and mirrors.they say you have freedom,saying it and having it are 2 diffrent things.you say atleast you have the right still to the pursuit of happiness.key word "pursuit of" but what people don't know is that the gov"leaders that be" put so many road blocks in place that 9 out of 10 times you will never reach that goal.let alone any others that would give you any kind of power over your own life.

they have america on lock down and everytime an american finds a way thats not covered in so much red tape to do something in his.her life it's not long b4 big brother steps in and regulates the hell out of it so you can'nt go anywhere with it.american freedom is a hoax.yea your free to pick up the scraps thats it.you think that the gov and big players would ever let you get anywhere close to the same power they have?

here's alil story that just happened not to long ago.

So much for land of the free and home of the brave. This is a perfect example of how America has gone wrong. A 63 year old man with no ill will towards anyone is arrested for living on Public Forest Land. He may spend two years of his life in jail for what? Being poor and wanting to live a different life. Please Read the following article and think about what freedom really means!!!


Charlie Toups is Colorado's ultimate ski bum and a relic of a fading era.

Since 1976, the 63-year-old has skied 120 days a season, shoveling snow and doing other odd jobs for a few bucks and skiing every day. What affirms his title as ski bum supreme is the fact that at night he retired to his car, parked close to the lifts.

But now Toups' brawny 6-foot frame is wedged in a jail cell in Georgetown, imprisoned for the past 57 days on misdemeanor federal charges of camping on public land, possessing marijuana and assaulting a Forest Service officer.

He could walk free with time served if he admitted his guilt. But Toups won't do that.

"I've lived this life for 33 years and now all the sudden I'm supposed to admit I'm guilty? I can't do that," he said from jail last week. "I don't know what changed after the Forest Service tolerated me for all these years. I thought we were just respecting each other. Let me ask you, is it snowing?"

Toups' tale is the embodiment of ski bumdom. Since the 1970s, he has bummed at Mammoth in California, Snowbird in Utah, Oregon's Mount Hood, Aspen Highlands and all the ski areas in Summit County. His home â?? for nearly a decade â?? was a Volks wagen Beetle, the passenger seat torn out so he could sleep.

"He had a little tunnel down to it like a snow cave," said Halsted Morris, a longtime Loveland skier.

"He was the real deal"

After a few years at Loveland, where Toups worked in the ski area's kitchen, he moved on to Aspen Highlands, where every morning he stomped steep snow as part of the ski patrol's avalanche mitigation. A few hours bootpacking earned him a day's lift ticket. He haunted the mid-mountain cafeteria, munching food from abandoned trays. He stocked shelves at the local grocery at night.

"He was the epitome of ski bums. He was the real deal," said Mike Tierney, a veteran ski patroller at Highlands. "He was just a totally eccentric individual who was here to ski. We don't see those kinds of ski bums anymore. And that's kind of sad."

Mac Smith, the longtime director of the Highlands patrol, spent a few seasons in the 1970s camping at the base of the ski hill. He remembers Toups with fondness, as a "gentle giant."

"He was a really intelligent person," Smith said. "He just had a different drum beat, and he followed it."

Toups first ran afoul of the Forest Service, which prohibits living on public land, in 2007 when he was back living in Loveland in the ski area parking lot.

So, he fired up his most recent home â?? a tired Ford, its hood and doors closed with ropes, its bed topped with a dilapidated camper. He rattled over Loveland Pass, towing a trailer full of old skis and a rusting Honda motorcycle. He landed in the Colorado Department of Transportation utility lot on Forest Service land next to Arapahoe Basin ski area.

On Nov. 14, five months after a Forest Service cop issued Toups a ticket for camping on public land in the CDOT lot, they came for him with a warrant for his arrest.

Toups had missed two mailed summonses, sent to an Aspen-area post office box he never visited.

Forest Service law enforcement officer Jill Wick and a Summit County sheriff's deputy found him, naturally, skiing. He grew irate when told he was under arrest.

At a Nov. 20 detention hearing in federal court in Grand Junction, Forest Service special agent Travis Lunders testified that Toups "became actively resistant in the sense that he tensed up."

"Officer Wick described Mr. Toups as shrugging his shoulders, bending his arms, flexing and putting his knuckles together near his stomach, at which time both officers took Mr. Toups to the ground, the snow covered ground, and placed him face-first down," Lunders testified, according to court transcripts.

Toups said he was trying to make a call on his cellphone before he was taken away. He said he was under the impression he had a "gentleman's agreement" to stay near the CDOT utility shed, based upon his camaraderie with CDOT employees.

When officers searched his pockets, according to Lunders' testimony, they found "misdemeanor level paraphernalia and marijuana."

The day after Toups' arrest, Lunders testified that Wick suffered a "post traumatic condition or disorder . . . that caused her heart to enlarge after the arrest." Doctors later told her, Lunders testified, "she did not suffer a heart attack and her arteries were in fact good."

Lunders wrote in his report detailing the arrest: "At no time was she (Wick) struck by Toups, nor did he attempt to kick, punch or strike either officer."

Still, Toups is facing charges that he "did forcibly assault, resist, oppose, impede, intimidate and interfere with an officer." Add the illegal camping and marijuana charge, and Toups is facing more than two years in federal prison and $250,000 in fines.

Toups is scheduled for a jury trial in Denver District Court this month.

Toups' attorney declined to comment, but Jeff Dorschner, spokesman for the Colorado U.S. attorney, said the charges are appropriate, "given his conduct."

"Danger to this community"

U.S. Attorney Michelle Heldmyer is prosecuting the case against Toups. At his November detention hearing, she argued successfully that Toups be held without bail on three misdemeanor counts.

"This defendant has shown he is dangerous, that he has no place to go," she said. "Being that he â?? all he wants to do is apparently ski and not work and live this alternative lifestyle, makes him a prime candidate for flight, not to mention he has exhibited himself now as a danger to this community, openly hostile to the government."

Calling Toups "hostile" and "dangerous" dismays Toups' friends.

"Charlie has been harassed most of his life, but even though he can be a bit of a curmudgeon, he's a really sweet guy," said Michael Cleveland, who has known Toups for 30 years and paid $1,700 to get his friend's truck out of impoundment. "He's just a ski bum who never grew up."

Toups proudly explains that in all his years of homelessness, he has never collected any public money. In the past three years, he's earned about $20,000, mostly from shoveling snow and moving furniture.

Still, he admits he has struggled to keep jobs.

"I guess I have a personality that conflicts with some tenets of management," he said.

Decades of negotiating (or violating, say the feds) federal, state, county and municipal boundaries and rules has taken its toll on Toups. When he parked near A Basin in 2007, he was at the end of his rope. He needed to be close to his work shoveling â?? where his boss, Bob Towne, said he never missed a day in two winters. He could no longer keep his truck running to move it daily. And he needed to be close to his beloved ski hill.

"I ski because it is a portal, a gateway to health," he said, noting that in all his years on skis he has never been injured. "But when I moved into that lot, I was desperate. Sure, I may live like a bum, but I do not behave like one."

[palerider7777]

As an Australian. I cant really comment on America. I dont really want to comment at all.

All i really want to say is:

If someone is prepared to stand up, take control, be prepared for a bloody hard fight and most of all, TAKE RESPONSIBILITY. They would have my vote.

Complaining on a forum of how we arent free is B/S...remember you are free to run for Presidency / Prime Minister if you do really want to make a change.

Maybe run for Member of Parliament for your area. That vote is down to the Local People and they will decide upon what you tell them if your who they want.

Ill put my hand up now. I have a perfect solution. Instead of working for money to get what you need. How about cutting a step out and working for what you need? If you have a farm of corn,i will help you sow the seeds. We all eat corn. If i have cattle,help me milk them,we will all have milk.

Its the simple,help yourself to help others. If you can only help yourself than it must not be worth doing.

If 10 people help you,it takes a 10th of the time. Sooner or later we all have so much time,well be looking to help each other. As it is now. People have no time on their hands so pretty much everyone cops an F YOU! That continues in a big loop til everyones rooting each other...pretty much where we are now.

My bottom line is. Unless you are pro actively doing something to change this,you cant exactly complain. And complaining only makes things worse...

Start looking for change and actually looking. Scratch the surface and start to dig...it goes so deep.
I hope to see you on the other side :)
let me ask you this,since you believe that the people are the ones electing these people in power.in your parliament over there name me anybody in the high office that was just part of the common folk b4 they made office??im just going by what you said above about people need to stop talking and go run for pm or the like.

[Trip06]

Your sposed to get active, Organize with your community. Get to know your neighbors, discuss how things are going you know. By forming those bonds if things go to hell everybody will be there together helping out instead of wigging out alone. The first thing to do Is become self sufficent. Not to the effect that you have to move to the country and become a farmer. But to have food for 6 months on hand and a firearm to protect yourself against other people who have not prepared. If you arent self suffiecent then they can threatn you by taken away your suport. The next step is to demand change politicaly, If enouf people gathar outside the federal reserve they will have to listen to us. But to be truely awake you will realise that they might change things to keep controll but nothing will ever be really changed unless you vote them ALL out and start over. Knowing that they will not give it up you have to be safe in your own in case the system does not hand it back over so nicely. Then again you might need to just endure hard times. Think about it. If they do impose on us to far, we will have to fight in defence to take our country back. So vote and protest till they push WAY to far.