PDA

View Full Version : Obama's new guidelines 10/19/09



Hazebound
10-19-2009, 09:05 AM
Took this off the wire:

WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration will not seek to arrest medical marijuana users and suppliers as long as they conform to state laws, under new policy guidelines to be sent to federal prosecutors Monday.

Two Justice Department officials described the new policy to The Associated Press, saying prosecutors will be told it is not a good use of their time to arrest people who use or provide medical marijuana in strict compliance with state laws.

The new policy is a significant departure from the Bush administration, which insisted it would continue to enforce federal anti-pot laws regardless of state codes.

Fourteen states allow some use of marijuana for medical purposes: Alaska, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Maine, Maryland, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont and Washington.

California is unique among those for the widespread presence of dispensaries -- businesses that sell marijuana and even advertise their services. Colorado also has several dispensaries, and Rhode Island and New Mexico are in the process of licensing providers, according to the Marijuana Policy Project, a group that promotes the decriminalization of marijuana use.

Attorney General Eric Holder said in March that he wanted federal law enforcement officials to pursue those who violate both federal and state law, but it has not been clear how that goal would be put into practice.

A three-page memo spelling out the policy is expected to be sent Monday to federal prosecutors in the 14 states, and also to top officials at the FBI and the Drug Enforcement Administration.

The memo, the officials said, emphasizes that prosecutors have wide discretion in choosing which cases to pursue, and says it is not a good use of federal manpower to prosecute those who are without a doubt in compliance with state law.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the legal guidance before it is issued.

"This is a major step forward," said Bruce Mirken, communications director for the Marijuana Policy Project. "This change in policy moves the federal government dramatically toward respecting scientific and practical reality."

At the same time, the officials said, the government will still prosecute those who use medical marijuana as a cover for other illegal activity. The memo particularly warns that some suspects may hide old-fashioned drug dealing or other crimes behind a medical marijuana business.

In particular, the memo urges prosecutors to pursue marijuana cases which involve violence, the illegal use of firearms, selling pot to minors, money laundering or other crimes.

And while the policy memo describes a change in priorities away from prosecuting medical marijuana cases, it does not rule out the possibility that the federal government could still prosecute someone whose activities are allowed under state law.

The memo, officials said, is designed to give a sense of prosecutorial priorities to U.S. Attorneys in the states that allow medical marijuana. It notes that pot sales in the United States are the largest source of money for violent Mexican drug cartels, but adds that federal law enforcement agencies have limited resources.

Medical marijuana advocates have been anxious to see exactly how the administration would implement candidate Barack Obama's repeated promises to change the policy in situations in which state laws allow the use of medical marijuana.

Shortly after Obama took office, DEA agents raided four dispensaries in Los Angeles, prompting confusion about the government's plans.

HTH

Islandborn
10-19-2009, 02:13 PM
This was followed by the D.A. in L.A. saying

My Way News - LA's top prosecutor vows to target pot shops (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20091019/D9BE45981.html)

TC42o
10-19-2009, 03:02 PM
also keep in mind...


Obama doesn't have the constitutional authority to tell the law enforcement agencies not to enforce the law.

The legislative branch passes laws, and the executive branch enforces them. So it was written, so it shall be. If a president actually ORDERED his empowered enforcement officers to not enforce a law - no matter how unfair he might personally think that law is - he would be in breach of his oath of office. He vowed to uphold the Constitution, and the Constitution says he doesn't get to second-guess Congress once a law is passed....

Yes, it sucks, but the alternative is granting the President virtually unlimited fiat power.

But, the thing is: he's also these people's boss. And even if he can't -order- them to not enforce the law, he can -fire them- for failing to properly allocate limited resources in such a way as to prioritize those issues most pressing to the Oval Office.

It's a very fine line he has to tread here, by necessity. The sort of sweeping executive action you want to see simply isn't going to happen... nor would we, as a democratic republic, WANT to see it.

It's just easy to lose track of that when it's an issue that so many of us care about.

the image reaper
10-19-2009, 03:03 PM
as I stated in the other posting of this 'news', this is the same vague reference to medical marijuana, made earlier by this pretender ... enforcement is still in the hands of law enforcement authorities, at their discretion, this probably won't change anything ... more double-talk that means very little, from the 'Politician-in-Chief' :wtf:

killerweed420
10-20-2009, 12:20 AM
I agree. Till it gets written on a legal document its just a recommendation.

Ub3rB0ng
10-20-2009, 01:21 AM
Yeah,im totally unsure about this.But who knows maybe it can end up being something to turn things in the right direction. Just keep doing things the way you have been and you will be fine. gotta be optimistic man.:jointsmile:

psychocat
10-20-2009, 08:58 PM
The Yahoo news report on this issue
Feds to issue new medical marijuana policy - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091019/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_medical_marijuana)

boaz
10-20-2009, 10:24 PM
This was followed by the D.A. in L.A. saying

My Way News - LA's top prosecutor vows to target pot shops (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20091019/D9BE45981.html)

"The comments Holder made earlier this year appear to have emboldened entrepreneurs as marijuana shops cropped up across California. In Los Angeles alone, there are an estimated 800 dispensaries, more than any other city in the nation. In 2005, there were only four, authorities said."

holy shite! the Angleno in me wants to say "fuck yeah" but I wouldn't be surprised if they start cracking down there, I mean there are only four legal shops in Oakland now, in contrast.

But this, to me begs the question . . . will L.A. legalize distribution if this initiative gets on the ballot and passes in '10?? My guess is Oakland will and likely S.F but will L.A.??? buzzed minds want to know. :stoned: :D

and . . . how will this new law effect the whole "not for profit" idea for the med coops. :detective1:

boaz
10-20-2009, 10:47 PM
I agree. Till it gets written on a legal document its just a recommendation.

yes, right now would be the perfect time for Congress to come together and pass a States' Right to Medical Cannabis bill for the President to sign into law. It could be a sort of an Awakening for the congress to come together for something important like this right now. :pimp:

kingmurda
10-23-2009, 03:23 AM
why did i vote for obama nothing has changed :mad:

the image reaper
10-26-2009, 01:30 PM
why did i vote for obama nothing has changed :mad:

well, we 'evil conservatives' tried to tell you, he was nothing but a hack bagboy in the Chicago Democratic Machine, but you couldn't be swayed :wtf:, and now, because you were so selfish about satifying your own desire for legal pot, our country is going down the drain :wtf: ... I don't even blame the Socialist Obama, I blame the ignorant bedwetters, that voted for the inexperienced schoolboy :mad:

rudy2010
10-26-2009, 09:17 PM
I'll wait for these changes to take affect before I start celebrating. I got a ticket in the national forest in April after the first announcement. The forest ranger said I was on federal land and state law did not apply so my valid state license meant nothing to him. I told him that I heard the federal government was supposed to lay off people who were legal in the state. He said if I wanted to argue he would just arrest me and take me to jail in S.F.
So I said give me the ticket. I did not even think what I was doing was illegal at the time since I had a small amount and a valid license. I got the ticket and hired a lawyer ($1100) to fight it. If I stay out of trouble for 1 1/2 months more I will not have any record.

Mr. Clandestine
10-27-2009, 12:28 AM
I'm not in an MMJ-friendly state, sadly, nor am I an Obama fan... but reading these articles has me hopeful that something noteworthy might come from his administration. Too early to tell, I guess...

the image reaper
10-29-2009, 03:09 PM
Unfortunately there is a no out of state commerce clause in the law concerning out of state money being used to purchase california medication.


I've been researching the Prop. 215 guidelines, and haven't run across anything like that ... as a retired trucker, I've filled prescriptions in every state in the union ... this 'may' affect me, as I have changed my residency ... could you post it up, or tell me, where you saw that ? ... thanx :smokin:

Whitesox
11-08-2009, 08:18 PM
Don't any of you understand. theres not shit nobody can do about dispenseries, and weed being legalized in the next 2 to 5 years. Times have changed, you have a lot more older people smoking these days. 50-70 years old. At the end The goverment is going to have to realize that the drug war has failed, and more people are for legalizing weed then agienst it.

GreenMtBeast
11-08-2009, 09:21 PM
Obama CAN stop law enforcement agencies. The DEA, FDA, FCC and other agencies are made by executive orders, all the President has to do is abolish them. What the hell are you people talking about there is nothing Obama can do? This hack is just side-stepping the issue again not to step on a single persons toe. This lazy sham of a politician is honestly one of the most greedy, lazy, no-good system free rider I have EVER seen. I work with politicians for a career too. No one exploits the system like this guy: NO ONE.

Islandborn
11-09-2009, 02:28 AM
Obama wants to create more law enforcement agencies. Do you not think if cap and trade were to pass as its written currently, that there wont be a new group to police the green laws that are in the bill? Cause there will be.

They already dig through ur trash in england....to make sure ur doing ur social duty for Mother Earth. Hilarious and so sad at the same time. Humans are becoming sooooooo pathetic and needy. Help me help me...im so mistreated and sad...please give me a handout....makes me fuckin sick. Ill take care of my own damn family and kids. BUTT OUT

the image reaper
11-09-2009, 04:52 PM
Obama wants to create more law enforcement agencies. Do you not think if cap and trade were to pass as its written currently, that there wont be a new group to police the green laws that are in the bill? Cause there will be.

They already dig through ur trash in england....to make sure ur doing ur social duty for Mother Earth. Hilarious and so sad at the same time. Humans are becoming sooooooo pathetic and needy. Help me help me...im so mistreated and sad...please give me a handout....makes me fuckin sick. Ill take care of my own damn family and kids. BUTT OUT

:clap: damn, if I didn't know better, I'd think I've been cloned ! :thumbsup: ... right on, right on, right on :D