Drug wars: Big Pharma, Afghan, Mexican cartels

[carinia]

So this just came out on Market watch, like, just now:

Paul B. Farrell: End the war on drugs, start the legalization - MarketWatch (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/end-the-war-on-drugs-start-the-legalization-2009-10-13?pagenumber=1)

Although I get a bit squimish about corporatizing my lovely past time, it's awesome that a organization like Market Watch would support Farrell's opinion!

[boaz]

"Mexican cartels aren't fighting the war on drugs in the United States for a very simple reason: They've already won,"

sad but true, i think. they provide a service that many Americans demand and cannabis prohibition provides the perfect mechanism for stable prices and a very well controlled market. it is an xllent business model and, unfortunately for us, apparently very profitable to the crooks who run our Congress as well.

[boaz]

the solution is very simple. Congress or the courts should acknowledge that every US voter has an implied constitutional right to privacy that also allows us to grow cannabis for our own personal consumption. This right trumps all local and state laws. This would end the demand for cannabis is the US and the violent cartels and crooked politicians that are flourishing now with canna-cash would all wilt and die out. :greenthumb:

[Islandborn]

We need more than mainstream articles about it, we need action. We need a national march in every city at the same time. We need the people to take back control again. All of us.... Americans of every race, color, and creed. Every politician in all the parties don't give a shit what we want really, they wanna make a name and a buck. We need regular folks in washington, who would be there cause they felt honored to be there, not for some interest group. We gotta create a new future built on old priciples. All of us...every citizen in america-gay,straight, black, brown, white, catholics, atheists, smokers, nonsmokers, are being sold out for control and profit by BOTH political parties.

[Islandborn]

Where is that Independent person who embraces the ideas of both idealogical movements.......that normal guy or girl or transgender for all I care???? Enough is enough. Wether you voted for him or not, we as a nation took a shot with Obama and got kicked in the throat....enough is enough.

[boaz]

^ don't feel too bad, some of us actually voted for Bill Clinton in '92. :eek: live and learn, eh? :jointsmile:

[Islandborn]

The 90's were my teen years.....mostly spent at a Military School in Missouri and State Jail here in Texas....I was a lost kid needless to say. State Jail time was for marijuana 2nd offence and violation of probation. 19 years old in the state prison system, fuckin disgrace.

My mama loved Clinton, go figure.

[boaz]

My mama loved Clinton, go figure.

my mom voted for Ross Perot in '92. I guess I was more establishment than her that year. she is repub but I guess even she couldn't stomach four more years of Bush Sr. :jointsmile: both mom and dad voted for Barry this past year, go figure.

[carinia]

the solution is very simple. Congress or the courts should acknowledge that every US voter has an implied constitutional right to privacy that also allows us to grow cannabis for our own personal consumption. This right trumps all local and state laws. This would end the demand for cannabis is the US and the violent cartels and crooked politicians that are flourishing now with canna-cash would all wilt and die out. :greenthumb:


Okay now how do we get a case to the supreme court on that premise? :)

[Islandborn]

Okay now how do we get a case to the supreme court on that premise? :)

Good question....one of these guys should know....I wouldn't even know where to start....im guessing whoever would need a sizable warchest of money to start and a lawyer that cares nothing of being disbarred and attacked constantly at home and in the media.

[boaz]

Okay now how do we get a case to the supreme court on that premise? :)

great question. i wonder if this has question has ever made it to the federal courts before? i bet it has somewhere. :detective1: i guess, if nothing else, someone on here could take the bar exams and argue it for us. :smokin:

i'm no lawyer but i believe that the right to privacy was what ultimately allowed Alaskans to be able to legally grow herby. it is their state constitutionally guaranteed right. :cool:

[gypski]

According to the SCOTUS privacy is not a protected right. Right To Privacy Not Guaranteed By Constitution, Says Supreme Court Justice Peeking In Bathroom Window | The Onion - America's Finest News Source :jointsmile:

The real deal http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/rightofprivacy.html (http://www.theonion.com/content/news/right_to_privacy_not_guaranteed_by) :(

[Islandborn]

Ya know, for as ridiculous as I think Glen Beck is, his buddy BREITBART employs some really effective strategies of political.......pressure through gonzo journalism I guess. Those videos will be the end of Acorn as a buisness and political machine.....maybe this tactic could be used to expose the people keeping marijuana illegal. Just a thought.

Im really stoned right now and this made sense before I typed it. Sorry.

[boaz]

^ i think that is a great idea. you are right look how they took out Acorn just like that. one swift blow from a couple of young gonzo underground reporters. this is the role of journalism, to expose systemic corruption, and what could be more corupt than cannabis prohibition in the US. :detective1:

of course, it would be much more difficult and dangerous, tho. acorn were amatures the prohibs are professional. :twocents:

[gypski]

^ i think that is a great idea. you are right look how they took out Acorn just like that. one swift blow from a couple of young gonzo underground reporters. this is the role of journalism, to expose systemic corruption, and what could be more corupt than cannabis prohibition in the US. :detective1:

of course, it would be much more difficult and dangerous, tho. acorn were amatures the prohibs are professional. :twocents:

I hate to say it but anyone who thought that dude and his girlfriend were a pimp and a 'hoe, don't know pimps & 'hoes. Those ACORN people should be removed, but not the whole organization be smeared. An the latest ahs the pimp and 'hoe being sued. :cool:

[Islandborn]

JUST speaking for the group i grew up with class of '96 generation, I dunno anyone that cares about marijuana really....I mean if I was sellin dope or blazin all day with my 11 month old, that would be different. None of my family, conservative or libs care. Why not legalize and tax the shit out of it? How many jobs would that create alone?? From retail to growing, thats work and jobs. If the interest group working to keep this illegal could be exposed, and then presented through a series of damning internet and media outlets.

The boat loads of money that would be generated is bad?

The jobs nationwide that would be created is bad?

[boaz]

I hate to say it but anyone who thought that dude and his girlfriend were a pimp and a 'hoe, don't know pimps & 'hoes. Those ACORN people should be removed, but not the whole organization be smeared. An the latest ahs the pimp and 'hoe being sued. :cool:

naa just pluck the whole organization. :jointsmile: just kidding, i've got nothing against acorn, i was just saying i like IB's model of independent journalism trying to expose the prohib mafia, since we already know the media, that was at one time refered to as the mainstream media, is useless. :wtf: fox has a different political view but its really just the other side of the same coin. :twocents:

[Islandborn]

I dont know, the people in the vids certainly didn't speak like they were very educated or intellectual. I dont think they cared either way. One of the guys in SanDiego wanted a piece of the action and said he knew cayotes in borderville that could help.

As a respected or feared group (as in when they protested outside banks in the 90's to get them to give people home loans that couldnt afford a mortgage) they are no more. I was excited for them to show up on my doorstep for the census too. 4 people live in MY home.....goodbye.

[boaz]

did anyone else catch the report on CNN with the guys who hung out with and filmed the Cartels down in Columbia packaging up the products for shipment. pretty interesting stuff. :thumbsup: