Troubleshooting? or just advice?

[grdnofpeace]

What is your experience level? First time.

Your Equipment:
.1) Type and wattage of lights. 175w MH (veg) 150w HPS (flower)
.2) Distance from tops?currently in flower and HPS is about 1ft from tops
.3) Reflector type? enclosed relflector
.4) Is there a consistent fresh air supply? fan for circulation. They are in a closet so fresh air definitely enters during the light periods. during dark periods its doors closed but the fan stays on. Plants are definitely healthy.
.5) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan? no exhaust. 1 circulation fan
.6) What are the bulb wattages and schedule?175w MH(18/6) 150w HPS (12/12)

Your medium:

.7) Specific brand and type of soil:
miracle grow organic vegetable soil, peat moss, miracle grow organic choice bone meal(veg) hi yeild potash(flower), lime. 3:2:1 mix with sprinkling of lime on top of soil after every transplant. I use the lime because I don't have a PH test kit. Its been doing everything I have hoped it would so far.

.8) Size of container. 3 gallons so far.
.9) Did you use peat pucks (or similar) to root clones or germinate seedlings? No

Your nutrients and water:
10) Source of water?
Tap water boiled then 24 hour evaporation w/ 1 tbsp of molasses per gallon of water every other water for veg. every water for flower.

What's it's ph before adjusting? No Idea

11) Method of checking water ph? none
12) Method of adjusting water ph? garden lime

15) Any additives or tea's? molasses
16) Are your ph levels stable, or do they fluctuate? no idea growth continues to be normal. no alarms.
17) What is your ingoing water's ph? idk
...your runoff ph? idk
18) Do you foliar feed?no

Your growroom:
19) Indoors or outdoors? indoors
20) What size of closet, room or hut? 3x3 ish feet. 6 foot ceiling
21) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on?
not sure. using my judgement. not humid always stays dry not excessively hot and not excessively cold during dark.

22) Have you seen signs of insects in the growroom? none

Your strain:
23) What strain are you growing? appears indica. its from bagseed.
24) From seeds or clones?bagseed
25) Is this an autoflower strain? no.



I apologize if I haven't searched enough, and I apologize if this isn't exactly troubleshooting, but here is my question:

"Can I re-veg? If so what is the best method to do so?"

I have two plants growing. Roughly 60 days old, approx. 50 of which were vegetation, and for a little more then the last week (10days) they have been flowering. This is my first grow, and I have been trying to keep things simple. My closet is pretty close to light free during the dark periods (id say 99%) Plants appear healthy with no signs of growth deformation, malnutrition, or excessive nutrients.

I had, a day ago, what appeared to be a male, polen sacks, no protruding hairs, and I was toying with the idea of wiping em out and starting over with a little bit of time in between. I guess I wasn't fully committed because all I did was pull the plug on the lights. I checked today out of curiosity after a full 24hr dark period and to my surprise both plants appeared to be flowering. I inspected closer and I noticed that I wasn't entirely wrong when assumed it to be a male, but it is what is appearing to be a hermie.

I can recall vaguely reading something about revegging a hermie. If it was stressed into becoming a herm there may be a possibility of revegging and then attempting flower again. But I can't for the life of me find the information I'm looking for.

To restate my question: "Can I re-veg? If so what is the best method to do so?"


All your help and advice is greatly appreciated, and an advanced Thank You to all who help.

happy growing

[DreadedHermie]

He's the Master of the Undead around here.

http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/146765-rustys-bonsai-downsizing.html

You can certainly re-veg, but IDK how that'll affect your hermaphoditism. Stressing the plants helps cause it, and I imagine getting chopped back to a stump is pretty stressful. Affected my self-esteem something terrible. :sadcrying

Here are some thoughts, though...
1. The plant in question seems to have hermie tendencies, so I wouldn't bother with this until you fix other obvious potential hermie risk factors:

a) light poisoning -- 99% ain't gonna cut it, I don't think. When you set up your bloom room, zip yourself into it for at least 5 minutes with the inside dark and full light outside. As your eyes adjust to the darkness, you'll start seing your light leaks. Anything more than "starlight" is a risk. You should not be able to see any light, including ventilation ports, fans, etc.

b) stress caused by: improper pH (you gotta measure)-- top-dressing with lime and hoping for the best... pretty risky

c) improper nutrients

d) improper temps (gotta measure, for about $15 you can get a thermometer that'll record hi/lo readings from outside the flower area)

e) flat water -- when you boil or let it sit, it loses its oxygen. Gotta shake it back up to re-aerate, or just skip the boiling/sitting.

If you don't fix that stuff, you'll see me again! (Don't hate...:hippy:)

That 1% light's probably the culprit, tho'... HTH, Hermie :thumbsup:

[grdnofpeace]

Thank you for your response. I'll check the areas you mentioned.

[DreadedHermie]

And good luck! :thumbsup:

Top-dressing with lime--boy, that brings back memories...

(Back before Hermie entered the "Witness Protection Program!") :gunfighter2:

[Rusty Trichome]

.7) Specific brand and type of soil:
miracle grow organic vegetable soil, peat moss, miracle grow organic choice bone meal(veg) hi yeild potash(flower), lime. 3:2:1 mix with sprinkling of lime on top of soil after every transplant. I use the lime because I don't have a PH test kit. Its been doing everything I have hoped it would so far.Where did you get this soil recipe? Ditch all the crap, and stick with the potting soil.
Never add lime just for the heck of it. Especially if you don't know the ph to begin with. Also, lime is used to adjust soil ph, not water. If you keep adding it, it builds-up and keeps working harder to raise your ph. (way out of range)
If adding lime, why make it fight the bone meal too? (one brings ph up, one brings it down...but at uneven levels)


.What's it's ph before adjusting? No Idea Better find a way to check. Water ph is as important as any other parameter in the growroom. Avoid the soil ph probes though. I never met one that really worked. Either get an aquarium ph test kit, or a ph pen. Worth their weight in gold. :thumbsup: The aquarium kit won't let you check runoff, but I never really had a ph swing with MG soils to speak of. The most improtant thing is to check your ingoing water ph.


"Can I re-veg? If so what is the best method to do so?" Yup. There's a link to one technique in my signature, as DH mentioned.


... This is my first grow, and I have been trying to keep things simple. My closet is pretty close to light free during the dark periods (id say 99%) Plants appear healthy with no signs of growth deformation, malnutrition, or excessive nutrients.
I'm not convinced you've got a light leak, but likely good to double-check anyway. I'm guessing you've been over-loving your ladies with soil ammendments and an unstable ph issue. With your future transplants, for heavens sake, don't ever add lime to the top of the soil. You are killing all of the surface roots with a very caustic ammendment. Also, until you know the ingoing and runoff ph, stop adding the extra's like bone meal and potash. I'd cut back on the molasses a bit, too. (in half)

I didn't see on the form what you are using for nutrients. Are you using any, or are you trying to add it to the (Miracle Grow) soil at transplants?


I can recall vaguely reading something about revegging a hermie. If it was stressed into becoming a herm there may be a possibility of revegging and then attempting flower again. But I can't for the life of me find the information I'm looking for.I occationally stress a lady or two for femmed seed production. The strains I use are very stable, and revert to normal during re-veg. No gurantees of success if strain is not normally stable, but you will need to stop degrading your soil with the ammendments before you attempt a re-veg. Also, I only re-veg hermies that were light poisoned, not chemically induced. Residual chemicals (too much lime, bone meal...) in the soil tend to screw-up the re-veg process.

A couple of pictures would help.

[grdnofpeace]

Where did you get this soil recipe?

I got this soil recipe from my head. Using various pieces of information that I have collected over some time.


Never add lime just for the heck of it. Especially if you don't know the ph to begin with.

My reasoning that I added lime, not that I'm arguing, was from gardening outdoors with regular vegatables. A light dressing of lime over the top of your garden to control soil ph. key there is soil ph. Since I'm using pre-made soil you're saying I don't need it, but if I am adding an unknown PH water, possibly high/low/or right where I want it, the lime will not have any use in controlling the over all PH or just not the water PH?

I do see now that the individual PH of the water is important in own right.



If adding lime, why make it fight the bone meal too? (one brings ph up, one brings it down...but at uneven levels)

I added the bone meal for its little bit extra Nitrogen, and Phosphorus. Its my understanding that Phosphorus promotes healthy root growth.

Let me ask this side question. When you have a soil with NPK values of 10-5-10 and add to it 6-9-0, does it change the NPK values of your soil mix to 16-14-10? Those are the actual NPK values of my miracle grow and bone meal.

Since were here, what are good NPK values for vegetation/flower? I only go by more nitrogen in veg, less nitrogen with more potassium in flower. Not actual values.



Better find a way to check. Water ph is as important as any other parameter in the growroom. Avoid the soil ph probes though. I never met one that really worked. Either get an aquarium ph test kit, or a ph pen. Worth their weight in gold. :thumbsup: The aquarium kit won't let you check runoff, but I never really had a ph swing with MG soils to speak of. The most improtant thing is to check your ingoing water ph.

I'm on it!



I'm not convinced you've got a light leak, but likely good to double-check anyway. I'm guessing you've been over-loving your ladies with soil ammendments and an unstable ph issue. With your future transplants, for heavens sake, don't ever add lime to the top of the soil. You are killing all of the surface roots with a very caustic ammendment. Also, until you know the ingoing and runoff ph, stop adding the extra's like bone meal and potash. I'd cut back on the molasses a bit, too. (in half)

If I re transplant in just straight miracle grow what signs should I look for improvments. Height, leaf production, speed of growth?

Overall I haven't thought my plants looked unhealthy. I wish I could share pics but I don't have my camera today. Their growth seems healthy height wise. leaves are a nice solid green color, side shoots are nice and even with the rest of the pant.


I didn't see on the form what you are using for nutrients. Are you using any, or are you trying to add it to the (Miracle Grow) soil at transplants?

Adding it to the MG

I pre mixed the soil, with the miracle(half a bag, 21L) 75% of soil mix , peat moss (for soil airation) 25% of soil mix. Then I added between one to two tbsp of bone meal. Filled my pots with enough soil mix and then once plants were planted in the soil mixture I lightly sprinkled lime over the top. I would say a tbsp at most of lime. I've had enough pre mixed soil to bring me to Flower, which is where I have cut out the bone meal but kept the miracle soil and peat moss mix. Once plants were potted in final transplant pot ( which actually hasn't happened yet) I would sprinkle with lime and a little potash for potassium. But in which case I will not be using the lime. You havent convinced me not to use the potash for potassium yet. Potassium creates healthy buds when you have them correct?

I may have you misunderstanding the amount of each additive I am using, in which case I apologize.



A couple of pictures would help.

Ill get pictures as soon as I get my camera back. Its on vacation with a friend.


Thank you for your time and advice Rusty. I think we're all here for the gratification of knowing we grew this ourselves so I really appreciate what all of you do here at the Forum.