Yellow discoloration and dying branches

[GreatWhiteHuntr]

The leaves of my girl in bloom are getting yellow on them and dying mostly on the lower branches the top and middle of the plant look great


E- Indoor
E-Soil
E-specific medium Not sure what this means....
CSL-Soil type/brand Black Gold .13-.5-.10
HCL-Hydro/aero/soilless system type
SCL-Miracle Grow during vegatative stage and Tiger Bloom during Flowering
SCLR-Soil or slab runoff pH (Unknown)
E-Water source Well
E-Source water pH 7.4
HRT-Source water EC (if hydro)
E-2 months vegatative and 3 1/2 weeks in Flowering stage
E-Tiger Bloom
E-4 Tbs per gallon of water
E-1000W High Pressure Sodium
E-Air temperature (both day and night if you are running a dark period) day 70-80 night 60 to 65
HD-Reservoir temperature
E-Air % Relative humidity Humidity 60 to 70%
E-Lighting schedule 12 on 12 off
E-Type of ventilation your room has 8 inch exhaust fan and an oscillating fan
TR-Did you pre-soak your media in pH corrected solution? No

I hope I have done this correctly enough for you all to Help me. For now I have backed off on the water some and stopped the use of Nutrients....Please advise...By the way love this Forum:beatdeadhorse:

[foggyman]

hey there mate can you post a picture...

how old are the plants and at what stage are they in... 3rd week veg. 6th week flower etc.

your tap water ph source is stated but whats the ph after youve added your nute and additives but just before you give it to the plants??? it should be between 5.2-6.2 if your hydroponic and 5.8-6.8ph if your in soil. certain nutes will get locked out at ph values higher or lower than those stated.

its normal for a plant in the very later part of flowering to loose leaves.

what is the ppm-ec of your nute solution by the way...

sounds like to little rather than too much...

[Rusty Trichome]

Have you seen Fox Farm's weekly feeding schedule? The link is in my signature. You are overfeeding the Tiger Bloom at 4 tbs per gallon. Even if you meant 4 teaspoons per gallon, that's too much.

As froggyman said, lower leaf loss is common, but, the ph for ingoing water should be targeted at 6.3 to 6.8 in peat-based potting mixes. (like Black Gold) Do not use more nutrients, to lower the water ph.
Black Gold has no perlite in it does it? If not, you'll want to get some.

[dejayou30]

How big are the pots you have them in?

[GreatWhiteHuntr]

I do need to get a ph tester...I have already backed off completely from the Bloom for now last night I flushed the soil with 2 gallons of water. The Black Gold soil has perlite in it. The planter this lady is in is a five gallon bucket.:thumbsup: As of this moment the plant is in flower roughly 3 1/2 weeks to 4 weeks.

[Rusty Trichome]

You can test ingoing water with a freshwater aquarium ph test kit. ($7.00 US) I'd try and get one this weekend, and flush the excess nutrients with at least 5 gallons of properly ph'd water, (6.3 to 6.8 ph) and resume nutes on their next feeding day per the FF schedule.
Leaf damage is permanent and will look worse as time passes. New growth should be fine once you get your ph and nutes back under control.

[GreatWhiteHuntr]

Thanks Rusty I'll give it a shot. Are Aquarium chemicals ok to use or where can I purchase the chemicals to raise and lower ph of water.

[Rusty Trichome]

Vinegar or lemon juice work in a pinch, but no good long-term. My wellwater comes out at 8.0 ph, so I use phosphoric acid to bring it into range. (General Hydroponics phDown) Available at finer hydro shops and websites world-wide.

I try to use the proper tool for the job. Seems to work best that way...especially in the growroom. If it isn't formulated for the garden, I don't use it.
Unsulphered molasses being the only exception. :thumbsup:

[foggyman]

go and download a grow bible and stop listening to some of the peeps in this forum, as they only miss quote what they have read them selfs dude....

there are a hell of a lot of clever people on this site and then there are some who just quote and quote wrong... you know who you are....

[Rusty Trichome]

Sorry, GreatWhiteHuntr. This should only take a second...


go and download a grow bible and stop listening to some of the peeps in this forum, as they only miss quote what they have read them selfs dude....there are a hell of a lot of clever people on this site and then there are some who just quote and quote wrong... you know who you are.......Then there are those with no clue. Tell us...which grow guide recommends you keep your ph so low with a soil grow?

Were some of you newbies to give accurate info, other's wouldn't have to come along and correct the errors. Your ph info is off base, and I really don't give a shit what your excuse for giving inaccurate info is, but likely you should gain at least some experience before giving it to others.
Check the link for FF nutrient schedule for soil. (which I've been using and following for years)
Check the bottom of the page, where it mentions ph recommendations.

Perhaps you should go re-learn the basics while those of us with actual experience continue to spread good cheer and tidings of joy. :jointsmile:

Any specific reason your rep is turned-off? Aren't you the Lucas guy that's in denial anout his failed Lucas techniques?

[foggyman]

hey there rustytric.....

you seem to have grabbed hold of the shitty end of the stick with both hands....

you seem to protest too much lolol has some one suggested this of you before....


i have spent these last few weeks since are last altercation (in which again you came accross old, lonly and pompus). searching through all your posts, tutorials, and other wise comments and aggree with alot(but not all) of what you say....

then i pasted sections of your posts into google and searched, interesting....

you read alot dont you.

the trouble with believing everthing you read is you end up believing alot of shit....

you have gained alot of experience. you have alot of knolage. .......

BUT your sometimes an arse hole, if you wernt so blatently horrible to me on my first posts here on this lovly site im sure we would have found some common ground.

where as now, everytime you post something i have to laugh at your silly copied mistakes which trust me are too numerable to post...

i have also noticed that when you try and get involved in higher discussion, you seem to be left floundering and quoteing basic info that as the post and thoughts progress falls on deaf ears...

THE LUCAS TECHNIQUES. GOT ME A LITTLE OVER 1.36G PER WATT AS AN AVERAGE ON THE LAST 5 GROWS... i am still a newbi after 10 years odd of growing in vertualy every type of substrate, that ill admit. i try to push my boundries and love to learn and listen. but i also reaserch alot my self and thats why im so confident when i pick you up.

like when you told me carbonated water (which is co2 and pure water) has sugar in it lol.
50%/70%rh was too high for veg.
560cmh was too little airflow for a wardrobe.
there is no benifit of folar spraying cannabis.
you also said my feeding program was too light even tho i had used the recomendations direct from canna's website..

if you would like to know what the problems were with my current grow.

i was under feeding. by 0.6EC now gone from 1.3ec to 1.9ec
lacking micronutrients in my tap water and later, my ro water. my water company had switched resevoirs. there 150miles between the resevoirs.
new water was lacking in sulphur, iron and boron.

added full strength micronutrients.
raised EC.
added my fogger back into the mix and were off again.

just to re-cap. im starting to take a real dislike to you. so are alot of people in here.

your are a clever person. why use your inteligence to seem so anoying.

dont take offense when some one doesnt aggree with you. i can see that this site is a VERY VERY VERY LARGE part of your existance... may i suggest you get out once in a while, take a strole back into public life.

peace out lucas.....

[foggyman]

foookk me i have realised im starting to sound like you.....


to be honest im a 28 year old brit and i couldnt realy give a shit.

god save the queen (no rustytric not you...)

[foggyman]

GreatWhiteHuntr

sorry for spoiling your thread dude.....


i hope you find out what it is...

[Rusty Trichome]

Your pompous attitude got on my bad side from word go. Looking elsewhere for your answers when they were staring you in the face, right there in black and white. Yet you continued to claim it isn't something you were doing. No. There had to be something else at fault. While you were arguing, your plants continued to suffer. T'was why I discontinued the conversation. You were just too far into that denial. Hope you got it nailed down though. How are they, anyway?
The sugar was in reference to my thinking you were speaking of soda. My bad. If I'm not mistaken, your stated schedule and regimin regarding you overspraying were immense, regardless of my misunderstanding of the carbonated beverage involved. I'd have to double-check the post, but you impressed me as headstrong and suffering from optical rectitis. I ended the relationship and observations at that point, as the laughter made my eyes tear.
But...whatever. My record here pretty much speaks for itself. Yes, I'm headstrong. Yes, I'm an impatient ass. No big news story there. But I try and make it a personal policy not to post something I know nothing about.

Perhaps arguing with me in your post wasn't enough, but coming into another's post to air your dirty laundry is in bad form, and I'll likely report the next instance. :thumbsup: (can't afford the infractions)

[foggyman]

your still lonly and boring.....

ok ginger nutts lets see how much influence you hold on this site....

lets see if you can get me banned for giving my opinion and fighting against yours. lets see if the moderators will bow to your godlyness and up hold your great name....

the foggyman might be dead by tomorow and you would have proved your self to be a right wing controlling old git.


if im still here tomorow then thats score one for freedom of speach and score two for the little man..... sorry for the foggyman.....

please remember it was you who contridicted me with stupidity in the first instance.....

lets get this thread back on track and forget all about the bitterness portrayed by old ginger biscuit, or ginger tric or what ever they call him over at the cat house.

please try these links as they might help you.

cannabis nutrient deficiencies pictures - Google Search (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-us%3AIE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7ADBR_en&q=cannabis+nutrient+deficiencies+pictures&aq=f&oq=&aqi=)

Google Image Result for http://www.420magazine.com/gallery/data/829/medium/Cannabis_Nutrient_And_Deficiency_Table.JPG (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.420magazine.com/gallery/data/829/medium/Cannabis_Nutrient_And_Deficiency_Table.JPG&imgrefurl=http://www.420magazine.com/forums/problems-pests-disease-control/66208-cannabis-nutrient-deficiency-table-great.html&h=307&w=600&sz=45&tbnid=qVKMJhAc8JnE8M:&tbnh=69&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcannabis%2B%2Bdeficiencies%2Bpictures&usg=__a4SAO6b8K9_8V97OFPrqCdYP64o=&ei=-szHSqLnJcK24Qbgr7XHAQ&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=2&ct=image)

Grow Marijuana FAQ, Cannabis cultivation - marijuana growing tips & photos (http://www.stonerforums.com/lounge/growfaq/1382.html)

Plant Abuse Chart and Photos by Nietzsche - The Garden's Cure (http://www.gardenscure.com/420/latest-growfaq-entries/89618-plant-abuse-chart-photos-nietzsche.html)

Cannabis Headquarters - Cannabis Plant Nutrient Deficiencies (with pictures) (http://www.cannabishq.com/forum/index.php?topic=2576.0)

Nutrients PH Problems On Marijuana Plants Spots Symptoms That Appear (http://www.onlinepot.org/grow/PHfluctuationsornutrients3.htm)


finding out the problem is never a lovly exp..

try working through the different links and build a BIG PICTURE of what the problems are. gather all the info you can and make an informed descission..


well will i be here tomorow or not ?????? rusty do your worse... or else leave me the foooook alone dude....


hope this helps you out.

peace out...:rastasmoke:

prevention is better than cure.

[Rusty Trichome]

Hmm. Always twist words to suit your cause...? I simply said I'd report the continued offenses, which I now will. Your disrespect in another member's post to air you personal grudges is a piss-poor way to impress those med patients not concerned with petty differences but results and insight.

Sorry again for the interruption GWH. These guys tend to come out of the woodwork unexpectedly and inappropriatelly.

[foggyman]

GreatWhiteHuntr did any of the links help you out ?????




sometimes you just have to smile.........
sit back, have a spliff and ponder.....

some of the best ideas man has had have been pondered while sat on the toilet giggles....

i have a pondering stool that looks into my grow... i love it... sitting there just looking, and looking and looking. the more you look and the more you watch the sooner youll notice any issues...

you have done realy by your girls, chin up and keep going dude.....
peace out :rastasmoke:

[stinkyattic]

Knock it off, guys. I mean it. Your bickering isn't doing anything but wasting space on the server and making you both look like a pair of grumblecakes.

The big pictures that show the entire plant look like the plant is a bit too big for the pot, and will want to go to a 5-10 gallon pail with fresh light (yes add perlite) soil around it.

The odd patches of necrosis on the leaves make me think that there are sour regions in the soil, and dying branches make me think root rot, but the new upper growth doesn't look bad.

When you re-pot, it wouldn't hurt to add more drainage than you think you need, like holes in the SIDES of the pails, not just the bottoms. Those types of pails don't drain well because of the little rim on the base.

And in closing, I don't want to see any more of this sniping from the peanut gallery. I'd infract you both but my connection is slower than a constipated tortoise and I can't be bothered to wait.

[Rusty Trichome]

i have spent these last few weeks since are last altercation (in which again you came accross old, lonly and pompus). searching through all your posts, tutorials, and other wise comments and aggree with alot(but not all) of what you say....

then i pasted sections of your posts into google and searched, interesting....

you read alot dont you.

the trouble with believing everthing you read is you end up believing alot of shit....

Aww. C'mon stinky...at least let him show his proof of my being a fraud, or charlatain, or liar, or whatever he thinks he can get away with calling anybody on this site. Is this what CanCom is coming to?

Were he challenging you in this manner, would you ignore the insults and hope they go away? Or would you hope management disavows this blatantly disrespectful accusation as unacceptable? Tiz getting old getting the retaliation penalty defending myself, but such is life I guess.

Oh well. Likely we'll cross paths again and again...
See y'all if and when my ban expires. :jointsmile:

[foggyman]

Knock it off, guys. I mean it. Your bickering isn't doing anything but wasting space on the server and making you both look like a pair of grumblecakes.

The big pictures that show the entire plant look like the plant is a bit too big for the pot, and will want to go to a 5-10 gallon pail with fresh light (yes add perlite) soil around it.

The odd patches of necrosis on the leaves make me think that there are sour regions in the soil, and dying branches make me think root rot, but the new upper growth doesn't look bad.

When you re-pot, it wouldn't hurt to add more drainage than you think you need, like holes in the SIDES of the pails, not just the bottoms. Those types of pails don't drain well because of the little rim on the base.


And in closing, I don't want to see any more of this sniping from the peanut gallery. I'd infract you both but my connection is slower than a constipated tortoise and I can't be bothered to wait.

good sound advice with experience id go with that.....

peace out...

[foggyman]

ps.... whats the peanut gallery.. honestly i dont know???

[stinkyattic]

Rusty, in all your oft-cited experience here, I think one of the things you've learned best is how to be profoundly insulting and just plain mean without actually calling names in any form that is blatantly in violation of the site rules.
You're the most passive-aggressive person on here. I've never seen anyone so intent upon, and successful at, goading others into arguments.
I'm personally sick to death of it, and I'm not the only one. I still talk to members who don't even post here any more in large part because they find your self-righteous tirades so unwelcoming. I told you to knock this shit off here, in this thread, and you continued. I've told you to knock this general sort of shit off in other threads, and here we are again.

You should have left well enough alone and let this stupid bitch-fest rest. I don't have the patience for it.

Go cool your heels.