Flowering Clones and their offspring

[Jungl3Jim]

Hey all,

Haven't posted anything for a while but holy cr@p I never thought I'd have what I have now, from the poxy mother this lot came from :D

The link is to the original mom (and grandmother) to the pics below.
http://boards.cannabis.com/closet-cabinet-growing/172953-1st-effort-thoughts.html
I'll call her GM from here on in
I'll get to listing what I'm using shortly.. just wanna get some pics up for now :thumbsup:

In the pics there are...
1x plant from a seed I got from getting GM to fert herself on a lower branch. GM spat two male flowers in the whole grow last time round and I used one for the seeds I got and I've stored the other for maybe using on the worst of whats in the fluoro cupboard.

2x Clones taken from GM 3 weeks into flower. They had a hell of a job going back to Veg, but as you can see the branching effects are nothing short of phenomenal :D
One of these two original clones from GM has given me the grandchildren I list next

20x Clones taken from one of the flowering clones above, and the mother clone recovered very well and is keeping up growth/progress with the untouched clone easily. I was trying for single cola's only, flowered them as soon as they rooted, 2 weeks old and no more than 3 inches high.

I'll break the gear and nutes etc down but the tall room has a 400w MH and the long grandchildren room has 440w CFL & Tubes

I'll try and keep this updated as much as poss

Cheers all for your interest :jointsmile:

[Jungl3Jim]

I basically have two rooms set up.

1st room: 6ft/sq (3x2) - The big ladies
Lighting consists of a single 400w Metal Halide cheap $45NZD (about $30USD)
4000 Kelvin
New-ish lamp - around 36000 Lumens

2nd room: 6ft/sq (4x1.5) - Single stick clones
Lighting consists of 6x40w T8 Fluoro tubes and 10x20W Spiral CFL's
Warm White - 2700Kelvin
All new tubes and bulbs - around 35000 Lumens all up

Feeding is the same for both sets of ladies.
Some people may argue with my feeding regime but it works for me.
I use the following...
Nature's Own - Super Grow and Super Bloom
Earth Juice - Grow and Bloom
Superthrive in every watering regardless of feeding.
Now for the controvertial bit..
I feed double the recommended dose half as often.
Meaning the nutes state to use 5ml once a week.
I use 10ml of the Natures Own and another 10ml of the Earth Juice once every two weeks. And PH'd water for everything in between + superthrive.
I have no nute burn, constant and steady great growth.
No issues whatsoever.

Medium:
Potting mix from the Switched on Gardner - Our local hydro/grow guys (75%)
Added to this is a perlite/vermiculite blend (20%)
Worm castings (5%)
Dolomite lime for the vegging soil mix and potash for the flowering mix (as required)

Not much else to say really.
Lighting schedule was initially 24/0 for the first couple weeks.
Slowing down to 20/4 for the next couple weeks
Then on to 18/6 for the remainder of Veg
No need to state really but 12/12 for flower

They're doing bloody well for my 2nd ever grow.
Check the link in the first post above to get an idea of how badly I did last time compared to this effort.

I'm firkin stoked and have you fine people to thank in part to any success I've had.
Appreciate it.. cheers all

I look forawrd to any feedback
:)

[midnightAK]

i think most people are hesitant to grow this way . (reveg and the like) but as it looks . nice job :thumbsup:
ill be on the lookout for the returns. very curious to see how much u get off one plant. :jointsmile:

HI from HI

[Jungl3Jim]

ill be on the lookout for the returns. very curious to see how much u get off one plant.

14g dry and cured from grandma, check the link.. she was only about a 1/3 of the larger girls when I put her into flower.
The pics above were taken at day 15 after the change to 12/12

These are closer up and today :)

the first 2 and the last one are the halide area
and the 3&4 are the stick clones in the fluoro area

[Jungl3Jim]

Hey ppl..
I'm not into sounding like a whinging biatch...
but with over a hundred views..
only one person has any sort of comment??

I'm not beggin for praise or anything, but it's kinda hard to get a feel for things even though this is the 2nd grow from the same family.
Do they look OK?
Do you disagree with my feeding?
Lighting setup's?
Anything but silence ppl, this is kinda like being in the dog box with the missus :wtf: :D

[martyrprojekt]

you got me interested. I will say, I am wary of trying to re-veg anything. But, your girls are looking very sexy! Cheers to you my friend!

I will keep watching the thread...as it is very interesting...:wtf:

[Jungl3Jim]

RE: the reveg...
I am too from what I've read.
It was a last minute decision to take the original clones, Do or Die so to speak.
For the most part ppl don't think it's worth the extra time and hassle to reveg,
I tried rooting them on the existing 12/12 lighting and they rooted in 2 weeks.
So much for theories of some ppl, that they won't root at all on that schedule.
I used the 12/12 'cos I didn't want to change the schedule due to stress.
Only took two weeks and they were both sweet, and what you see now.

These 20x clones were taken during veg, just their mom's are flowerering clones.

Cheers for the interest, I'll try my best to keep this updated :)

[Jungl3Jim]

The starting to get somewhere.
To be honest I think the fluoro's are out pacing the HID :wtf:
Not that I'm complaining :D

[Jungl3Jim]

I know it's from bagseed and all, but I think I've found a winner as far as that side of things go...I get the feeling that you lot except martyr' don't really give a crap.

Anyway.. here ya go

The trichs are coming on hard in the fluoro room.
Not so much in the halide area.
As I said previously, the fluoro's are rolling all over the halide

Comments??????? :wtf:

[greeri]

looking real good. The flouro besting the mh surprises me. I'll keep that in mind in the future. I know somebody who will be real interested. Thanx for trying both side by side, it's appreciated.

[Jungl3Jim]

The flouro besting the mh surprises me. I'll keep that in mind in the future. I know somebody who will be real interested. Thanx for trying both side by side, it's appreciated.

I think it comes down to colour(Edit: Sorry, COLOR for you yanks :))
The fluoro's are 2700K and the halide is 4000K.
Haven't done a comparison of the same fittings with cool daylight tubes/bulbs (6400K) vs the Halide in veg yet, but may do shortly.. we'll see

BTW: all bulbs/tubes were new for this grow, so all are supposedly at their lumen output ratings... I think

Cheers

[Jungl3Jim]

cool name/snake btw..

Durango Mountain Kingsnake

[Jungl3Jim]

Can anyone tell me what the hell is happeing here..?
The girls in the fluoro area are going PINK!
The Halide area is growing pretty much the same as the original mom's, all white

If no one answers I'll post this in the problem section too
Is it the CFL's/Tubes doing this??
Thanks

[EvilCartman]

Can anyone tell me what the hell is happeing here..?
The girls in the fluoro area are going PINK!
The Halide area is growing pretty much the same as the original mom's, all white
Thanks

Interesting thread J-J. :thumbsup:

I see it in the pics.
Strange, but I've seen a friends WW clones appear quite different under different lighting. I wouldn't be concerned, they look plenty healthy. Interesting development though.

Temps in the spaces are equal, yes?

[Jungl3Jim]

yep.. been sitting on 78 on the dot light on. From what I've read thats right on the money
The lowest the hydro/hygro-meter had recorded is 69 in the last 4 weeks. Thats only a drop of 9
It's the same lowest temp for both cupboards but the halide area has topped out at 86 at one stage, and the fluoro at 85.

Cheers dude :rastasmoke:

[Jungl3Jim]

Sry for the dbl post but too late to edit..
thought I'd add a couple pics of the whole lot.
Lights just gone off(within a minute).. camera flash is the only light

[Jungl3Jim]

I'm about to triple post.. but only in the sense of pics..
First off here's the halide area :)
These are today at 37 days..

[Jungl3Jim]

and now the fluoro's..

I reckon these are out-pacing the halide :D WTF!!

[Jungl3Jim]

and to round these off.. a few close up's..
the first 2 are halide.. the 2nd 2 are fluoro

[Jungl3Jim]

just realised i haven't really given any indication of size...
the halide big girls are just over 36 inches and the fluoro's range between 10 and 12 inches

Cheers

[Jungl3Jim]

Heya all..

Cheers for all the interest... :beatdeadhorse:

Here's a wee update for any of those interested,
these were taken with the lights just gone off.. went to say goodnight and they just looked so peaceful I just had to capture the moment :smokin:

[EvilCartman]

Here's a wee update for any of those interested,
these were taken with the lights just gone off.. went to say goodnight and they just looked so peaceful I just had to capture the moment :smokin:

<sniff> A mans love for his plants.....it's a beautiful thing. :D

Nice 'lil grow, Jungle. Looking good. :thumbsup: How are things in the "big girl" space?

[Jungl3Jim]

Not too bad.. but I think I have an issue with either the lamp or ballast.
These girls are nothing like their offspring in the CFL cab.
Large.. but don't have anywhere near the solidness of the CFL girls
They're about 3ft ATM

[Jungl3Jim]

Hey all,
Well I've decided to turn the lights out tonight (Thursday 7pm local) until I open the cupboard again Saturday morning round 10 am, thats 39 hours dark before the chop.
The supposed last push so to speak. Never tried it but thought what the hell. Took pics tonight a couple mins before the lights went out for the last time on these girls. The halide room is going to be going for another couple weeks. Nowhere near what the CFL's did, but as I was saying, either the lamp or ballast has issues. Don't care, have a replacement already. Will be changing that tomorrow for the last 2 weeks of the larger girls.

[Shovelhandle]

Well, those flowers are outstanding, Jim!

In regards to re-vegging, I think it can be a great idea, especially if it means saving a strain or just letting it go. I"ve had no problems with revegging. I did this with a nice BB female outdoors this season (it got ripped off later) and a BG male, that I used to pollinate the BB and some others (again, all ripped off) But, the revegging worked great.

[JMORGAN]

hey,
loving that CFL room setup! My guess on the Metal-Halide not working is because of the spectrum, the 4000k is not ideal for growing, 5500K+ is good, it's the more blue-er light that plants like that comes naturally in spring time, and I'm guessing your CFLs are 2700k, the yellow light for autumn.
so that's my :twocents:

And for revegging, I have some experience in that area, I was about 2 weeks from harvest and found myself with no upcoming plants, so I took a couple branches of buds off one plant, clipped the buds off, but left all the fan leaves/other green I could, and it did take about 3 weeks to start new growth, and very slowly may I add. so If you're going to be doing some reveg, pull up a chair cause it takes a while.

[bonedaddy420]

Oh man, those buds look delicious, my mouth is seriously watering. Nice work!!

[Jungl3Jim]

hey,
loving that CFL room setup! My guess on the Metal-Halide not working is because of the spectrum, the 4000k is not ideal for growing, 5500K+ is good, it's the more blue-er light that plants like that comes naturally in spring time, and I'm guessing your CFLs are 2700k, the yellow light for autumn.
so that's my :twocents:

I do agree for the most part with the kelvin etc, however...

This is grandma.. the original lone seed I had at the time..
she started all of this.. I grew her from an unknown seed given from supposed good random bag, under the exact same fitting/lamp (new lamp for both grows, same brand, specs etc ) I used this time.
Same ventilation, same nutes, same light, same soil, same schedule.... I'm sure you get the point :)
Have no idea whats different.
Everything I have is either a direct clone from grandma or a clone of that clone, so can't really call it a genetics thing..
hmmm...

[Jungl3Jim]

Well, those flowers are outstanding, Jim!

In regards to re-vegging, I think it can be a great idea, especially if it means saving a strain or just letting it go. I"ve had no problems with revegging. I did this with a nice BB female outdoors this season (it got ripped off later) and a BG male, that I used to pollinate the BB and some others (again, all ripped off) But, the revegging worked great.

I think I've got this sorted.. even if the re-veg fails.. I took a male flower from grandma 'way back when' and froze it.
I took that out and used a tiny paint brush and brushed the pollen onto one of the CFL girls. She's probably holding, and near ready, about 50-75 seeds.
Should keep me going if they are viable.
I'm going to try the re-veg anyway but it's a good feeling knowing I've got something to fall back on.

And the best part is.. by the looks of it.. she still going to be a mint puff :)
:thumbsup:

[Jungl3Jim]

Heya boys and girls, I had a change of heart.. the pic in this post is what's now left and the beginning of phase 3 - Re-Veg, Clone and Fem seeds (created by me). Going to run all 3 at once and see what does what.
The next two posts after this are the before and after of what I decided to do last night.. can anybody say..... TIMMMMMMMBERRRRRR!!! :D

Everything is gone except the what i did with a fem seed I grew last round, which started flowering a couple weeks after the clones. So another 2 weeks for her.
The next posts are just going to be pics, and because Jerry Springer isn't here.. I'd like to ask for YOUR final thoughts

Anyways, cheers peeps

[Jungl3Jim]

:jumphappy:

[Jungl3Jim]

:chainsaw:

The weight on the scale is over the actual weight by 100g.
Thats what the cardboard platform used weighed.
380g (13.5oz) wet - should give around 4oz dried and cured :rastasmoke:

[rabidsquirrel451]

Dude, sweet grow man! I'm really impressed. Looks like really nice quality and a pretty good bit of quantity. I'd be really happy to have done a fraction of this grow

[Jungl3Jim]

still curing but more than smokable.. the first few pics are some of what I ended up with.. and tbh.. i'm pretty stoked :D

the 4th pic is a wee block of hash I made earlier with the tips etc, the last pics is to give you an idea of how soft/pliable the hash/resin is.. also stoked :D

cheers all:smokin:

[EvilCartman]

still curing but more than smokable.. the first few pics are some of what I ended up with.. and tbh.. i'm pretty stoked :D


Well done, JJ! Good lookin' herb, for sure. :thumbsup: Enjoy!