Shov's Autumn 2009 Grow

[Shovelhandle]

Well, if anyone read my outdoor grow forum thread you know that I had my crop and very important (to me) seed project stolen yesterday. So, I brought my seven Neville's Haze (MR. Nice Seeds) indoors and started some Z11 and G13 x NCDG seeds. The Z11's mom was a sister to the Z10's that I was breeding with Bubblegum.

The NH are doing well, as they are a month old and are cropped back to the 3-4 node. I have them under 400W MH Sunmaster 10K lamp. The really should be into 12-12 now but I want to wait until the other seeds pop. The NH is very tollerable of a short/no veg period, I just hope the other strains don't mind. I'm just throwing them in to take up space if and when the NH show sex and I pitch out the males.

I'm growing in soil that I put together a few months ago. I'll mix this soil 33%with 33% Perlite and 33% peat moss-vermiculite-lime.

[bickeybammer]

sorry to hear about that shov :(.... im sure this grow is going to be awesome just like all your others!! :thumbsup:

cant wait to see some flowers :hippy:

[headshake]

damn sorry to hear about that SH. that shit makes my blood boil.

you know 'shake is always along for a SH grow!


-shake

[M.B.A.]

come back twice as hard, it's been 1 of those years for all of us, my indoor winter grow was taken from me as well, stay strong n live long :jointsmile:

[killa12345]

man shovel, i know the exact feeling....if you look at my logs....just about this time last year i had one of my project robbed....it took a lot out of me....trust me....no partners for me...ever again....but brother you will come out of it better.....karma is a motherfucker....and those people will get what is coming to them...

sending good karma to SH......

[DTRave420]

Damn sorry to hear that SHOV...Seems the world has been over run with lowlife pieces of shit that either always have their hand out or just help themselves to anything they want...Souless wretches...

My condolences friend...:(

[Shovelhandle]

yep, sucks. no more herbs for friends or family. I have to look like I don't grow or have any stash. Shit, after 4-5 outdoor rips and two B&Es in the house I have to think that others are at the bottom of my security leaks. Boy, the faces dropped when I tell them that the OL doesn't want anymore weed activity that has attracted these theives, so no more grows. :jointsmile:

Laugh and the world laughs with you. Cry, and you cry alone. Screw 'em.

[Shovelhandle]

Very pleased to see how the NH have adapted to the better indoor climate and all the NCDG and a few (enough) of the Z11 have sprouted already. That's a very good sign. :hippy:

[Shovelhandle]

Seven weeks for the (7) NH and almost three weeks for the (4) NCDG and the (4) Z11.

I cropped the NHs again, they are pretty much identical, so far. They have thin, sativa leaves and are growning nicely.
The other, younger seedlings are very short and indica looking.

[DTRave420]

Seven weeks for the (7) NH and almost three weeks for the (4) NCDG and the (4) Z11.

I cropped the NHs again, they are pretty much identical, so far. They have thin, sativa leaves and are growning nicely.
The other, younger seedlings are very short and indica looking.

Cool Shov...I wish the Reaper wasn't so against (fem) beans...I'd pay top $$$ for a chance to grow that strain...I'd keep a tight grow and do it justice 4sho...
Does this no pics thing have something to do with the rippers or do you just wanna tease the shit out of us...

Wishin ya abundance and potency man...

[Shovelhandle]

oh no, man. no pics because I've been away and I bearly have taken the time to water, spray and crop the plants since I got home. I think some pics would be nice. This weekend, ok?

[DTRave420]

Understood SH...Lookin' foward to it...Hope this grows helpin' ya forget about the HorseShit...

[Shovelhandle]

They were outdoors and when bugs started getting to them I put them in a shed window. They are loving it under 400W Sunmaster MH. I cropped them at nodes 3 or 4 and I just FIMed the two main top this week.

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=229257&stc=1&d=1255215698

[Shovelhandle]

Z11 in back, G13 x NCDG in the front.

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=229258&stc=1&d=1255215872

[sarah louise]

yep, sucks. no more herbs for friends or family. I have to look like I don't grow or have any stash. Shit, after 4-5 outdoor rips and two B&Es in the house I have to think that others are at the bottom of my security leaks. Boy, the faces dropped when I tell them that the OL doesn't want anymore weed activity that has attracted these theives, so no more grows. :jointsmile:

Laugh and the world laughs with you. Cry, and you cry alone. Screw 'em.

Ouch, sorry to here about your loss Shov. Had similar problems here over the last year or so, losing plants in the ground, stash and my seed collection in 3 separate rips.

[Shovelhandle]

Thanks Sarah Louise. I remember you mentioning that. :(

The temp has been 85-90ºF so I made a change, to use a 4' x 4 lamp T5HO with grow spectrum lamps. I have other cooling options but my schedule is to flip 11/24 and I have limited room so this light should sustain good growth for less energy.

[bluntpasser]

Wow, some quite impressive strains in this log. I will definitely be along for the ride. Looking Great Bro.:thumbsup:

[DTRave420]

Awesome Shov...Everything's lookin' healthy and those Nevilles are absolutely picture perfect...Very nice growin' and appreciate the pics...:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Shovelhandle]

The NH are at 8 weeks veg and the others at 4 weeks. I put the NH in 3.5 gal and the Z11 and G13 x NCDG into 1.5 - 2 gallon pails. It is now a solid 2' x 4'+ footprint. I'll probably go back to MH 400W until I decided to flip them. I soaked them in really good and I'll give them a good feeding next watering. I have to clean up quite a mess of soil and additives when it dries up a little. I'll post some pics in a few days.

Shov

[KillerBudG]

Plants looking great Shov.:thumbsup: Will be tuned in for this grow.. Now where did I put that dam :baggy: and my chair.



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~BudG~:rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

[bluntpasser]

bravo shov. How much water are you giving the nevilles haze each watering? 40 oz, 1/2 g??

[Shovelhandle]

how much water? Well they just got transplanted into larger vessels so I'll have to see how the uptake is. Once the roots get to filling in (in two weeks) I'd guess that each 3.5 gallon pail could use a quart ever other day increasing to 2 quarts as they mature. I like to see the pail pretty much use all the water in 2-3 days. Right now the pails are all saturated, with a small root ball and it could take 4-5 days to dry out. I'll add nutes at that time, first wetting down the soil with plain water then the nute solution. I got to get to the grow store, run out of some nutes and suppliments.

Thanls for the reply, Bub.

[sarah louise]

I have other cooling options but my schedule is to flip 11/24 and I have limited room so this light should sustain good growth for less energy.

I've spent a good few minutes mystified by what this sentence meant. I was about to ask when it dawned on me... we don't write the date like that so I was thinking that figure was your planned light cycle and that, obviously, didn't make any sense.

But I've got it sorted now so no worries :thumbsup:

[Shovelhandle]

OH, it's me causing the confusion, as usual. ;)

I don't know really when I'll flip 'em. I was going to wait until I came back from the trip (and the plants have been in the dark for five days). Or I may just flip them earlier. It isn't the ideal situation, with a long flowering sativa that's into it's ninth week and some hybrids (one very indica dominant) that are into the fifth week and not quite mature yet.

:hippy: Shov

[Shovelhandle]

Cropped at the third node, trimmed the first node branches leaving two pairs of main branches. And now the twin apials have been FIMed and LSTed. The stain on the sun leaves are from foliar feeding weeks ago.

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[Shovelhandle]

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[Shovelhandle]

These are a little over 30 days since planting. No trimming, yet.

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[Shovelhandle]

Same age as the last ones.

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Thanks for looking.

Sho

[sarah louise]

I'm a bit confused at the best of times Shov, but I usually get there in the end.

Plants all look nice and healthy and your nh look mighty bushy. I gave up on sativa doms at home in the name of efficient production. Still miss them but I can't produce enough to meet my needs so it's skunks, affies and ruderalis indica.

All the best for flowering,

sara.

[Shovelhandle]

As the plants grow and take up a bigger footprint I decided to go back to the 400W MH. The ambient temp is around 72-74º so the canopy temp can be kept under 84º with one fan. When I change to blossom time I'll have to use the T-5s for side lighting, at least until some males thin out the plot. Today I also gave them nutes and a foliar feed.

Shov

[headshake]

everything is looking real nice shov (per the usual)!

-shake

[lunarose]

Hi Shov I'm just catching up after a busy summer, I am sorry to hear about the thefts that was always a fear of mine so I moved my gh to our deck. I've taken a page from your book and will be having a Christmas harvest this year.

[Shovelhandle]

NH nine weeks old, G13 x NCDG and Z11 five weeks.

The five week old plants, I just;
Trimmed bottom two branches and leaves
FIMed the tops
Replanted into 3 gallon bags
Watered in with nute solution

All the plants;
Added 4' x 4 lamp T5 flowering spectrum, still using MH at 18/6 hours.

Z11, before trim and FIM

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=230249&stc=1&d=1256503231

After...

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=230251&stc=1&d=1256503312

G13 x NCDG before trim and transplant.

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=230252&stc=1&d=1256503359

All together...

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=230253&stc=1&d=1256503422


Shov

[bombdiggity]

Lookin great Shov, I'm pulling up a chair :thumbsup:

[lunarose]

Shov, What a nice family you have there. I've been wanting to try the NH.

[Shovelhandle]

I just trimmed the tops of all those tall branches on each NH. These are all from the two lower main branches. The two upper branches had been FIMed and tied down. That's all each of the Haze plants have, two lower branches oposite each other and then the split branches from the cropping.
As soon as the plants recover from this (a few days to a week) I will be changing to HPS and 10 hours of light a day.

:hippy:

Shov

[caligrown82807]

lookin good:thumbsup: cant wit til flowering time youre gunna have some good meds:stoned:

[Shovelhandle]

I pushed time a head a bit. Today I released the lsted tops and tied down all the other branches that sprung up beyond them. Also, changed MH to HPS and time to 10 light/ 14 hours dark. I chose this based on Shantibaba's recommendation on his Neville's Haze.

Shov

[DTRave420]

I pushed time a head a bit. Today I released the lsted tops and tied down all the other branches that sprung up beyond them. Also, changed MH to HPS and time to 10 light/ 14 hours dark. I chose this based on Shantibaba's recommendation on his Neville's Haze.

Shov

Man are those plants rearin' to go and they have plenty of room to do it!!!Awesome Shov...:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Shovelhandle]

Z 11 females just showing pistils.

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=230629&stc=1&d=1257104523


G13 x NCDG (front row) The first on the left is showing female, the next two, possibly male, I'm less sure of the one on the far right

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=230630&stc=1&d=1257104523


Shov

[the image reaper]

I always enjoy your garden Logs :thumbsup:

[Shovelhandle]

Three of four G13 x NCDG were males, one female. So, those are gone.
All four Z11 should be females and they are starting to show. Although the Neville's Haze have been growing for four weeks longer, none have shown sex. Here are the seven NH plants.

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=230716&stc=1&d=1257266746

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[Shovelhandle]

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=230721&stc=1&d=1257266909

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Shov

[MerryPrankstr]

Mighty Fine Shove, might fine. :thumbsup:
I might have been tempted to keep one male in a seperate location to make to dust a bud or two and continue the stock, but that's just maybe (LOL)

M.P.

[Shovelhandle]

The G13 x NCDG males are from seed that I think were a 'work in progress'. So now I just have the sigle female pheno. Now, the NH might be a nice strain to have a 100 F2 seeds. But I don't plan on doing that either. I would have liked to kept the Z 11 strain going but they were feminized so I didn't wnat to work with that. My next seed crop will probably be Bubblegum and Stinky's Afghani Dream x BOG Medley. Also, I'd like to grow out the SSH x Blueberry seeds I have and see if there's a keeper in there someplace.
:hippy:

[DTRave420]

Sorry to hear you didn't get at least a 50/50 with the G13xNCDG Shov...Luck of the draw...Hope you make up for it with the Neville's...Lookin' good man...Good luck...

[KillerBudG]

Yo shov., Your plants looking nice an healthy. I hope I can just get mine to stay green and perky like yours. Can you reuse them grow bags or na.? Keep up the good work man I will be watching.:thumbsup:

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~BudG~:rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

[Shovelhandle]

grow bags were .50 each.

If the NCDG hybrid survives it will be the only plant from almost 30 seeds that I started. Other plants had taken off and germinated and thrived right next to the empty pots and diseased seedlings of my ncdg attempts. Maybe they don't like the atmosphere here in New England. ;)

The Neville's Haze is a month older than the others ;and I'm still waiting for them to show sex. They have only been under 10/14 for a week though.

Shov

[Jungl3Jim]

Heya dude.. lookin good for the most part..
is that a touch of N deficinecy in the last 2 pics or just the light..?
Kinda looks like both the new growth and the older fans are little yellowish??

Love the LST btw..went the same route on a couple of my ladies.. nice :)

[Shovelhandle]

see the yellow also on the lower right corner of the pink sheet in the background. The yellow is from the hps off to the right.

[Shovelhandle]

I have seven Neville's Haze plants into their 11th week. They just showed sex this morning. Male, male, male, male, male, male male! GOD FUCKING DAMN IT! I've had grow where the female to male ratio was 7-0 but never skunked like this grow. I still have eight beans in the Mr. Nice Seeds package but I don't know if or when I'll set myself up for this again soon. Shit, shit SHIT! I was very excited to be finally growning out seeds from a Top Shelf breeder. FUCKED!


Shov

[DTRave420]

I have seven Neville's Haze plants into their 11th week. They just showed sex this morning. Male, male, male, male, male, male male! GOD FUCKING DAMN IT! I've had grow where the female to male ratio was 7-0 but never skunked like this grow. I still have eight beans in the Mr. Nice Seeds package but I don't know if or when I'll set myself up for this again soon. Shit, shit SHIT! I was very excited to be finally growning out seeds from a Top Shelf breeder. FUCKED!


Shov

FCK'n horseshit man...Truly sorry to hear that SHOV...While you work out plan B may I suggest Paradise OPIUM(fem) as part of your next grow...I think you'll be very pleased with the quality and yield of this strain...

[Shovelhandle]

Shanti, the breeder offered to replace the beans. That's so cool. I'm going to just try the remaining 8 sometime and hope for better luck. So, on with the five remaining plants... :)

[bonedaddy420]

Damn how did I miss this log?? Some damn fine work Shove! Sucks to hear about the males though, all that hard work for nothing, oh well best of luck on the next batch!

[sarah louise]

Damn! My sincerest condolences Shov, that really sucks arse.

[KillerBudG]

Dam, Sorry to hear about your misfortune shov. I know that having the breeder replace your beans is nice and generous, but it just never seems to take away the fact you put so much time into them only to be disappointed. I hope the rest of your grow works out for ya man. Good luck and keep up the growing.!:thumbsup:


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~BudG~:rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

[Shovelhandle]

Anyway, the five females will probably be done in 7-8 weeks. I set the timer to 12/12 and saved one NH male to chuck a little pollen on a couple of branches. You never know what can happen. When I get back from my trip, in a couple of weeks I think that I'll germinate the rest of the pack of NH and let them grow with the flowering females. :)

Sho

[MerryPrankstr]

Man, that's some seriously bad odds there Shov. Next roll of the dice just has to be better. :thumbsup:

Good idea to keep a male and pollen chuck.;)

M.P.

[Shovelhandle]

About a week and a half into bloom. Was on 10/14, just changed to 12/12.
Four ladies of my Z-11 Afghani stylee smoke. This is nice pot.

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=231069&stc=1&d=1257807610

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Shov

[Shovelhandle]

One fem of the four seedlings...

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=231073&stc=1&d=1257808024


Neville's Haze male cut to the basics... Will probably trim root and put into 1/2 of a three gallon bag.

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=231074&stc=1&d=1257808179

[Shovelhandle]

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachments/grow-log/230719d1257266746-shovs-autumn-2009-grow-100_4226.jpg

[Shovelhandle]

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=231075&stc=1&d=1257808434

Male can stay, for now...

[fourkicks]

good to hear you still have a few ladies left shov....:thumbsup:
thats some bad fucking odds on the haze

[DTRave420]

Cool Shov...

Glad to hear Howard is making up for your time with more N'sH beans...Also impressed that you're gonna give that grow another whirl...
Now that you have some extra room to grow,do you think you might cut open the bottom of those grow bags and sit em in more medium to increase your yield???
Anyway it's good to see the show goin' on...Good luck with everything Shov...

[Shovelhandle]

I declined the seed offer for now.
I think I'll finish the grow in the 3 gallon bags.

Thanks

SHov

[Shovelhandle]

I have to go away for five days and I have a house sitter coming for the pets. I have to hide the plants in the dark and hope for the best. After that we are looking at 4 weeks into bloom and four weeks left. So, I think the 3 gallon will be ok. I'm thinking of germinating the NH seeds when I get back and I'll veg them for a week of two before putting them into flower (12-12) with the others. After I harvest the Z and G13 I'll put the lights to 10/14 and hope for the best! I may pick out another couple of beans to try too. SSH x BB or BG or ???

[headshake]

sorry to hear about the bad luck with the beans shov.

hope the ladies do well while you are away.


-shake

[Shovelhandle]

The ladies are doing fantastic. Lots of flowering going on. :)

They have lots of room to spead out, that's for sure.

[the image reaper]

hang in there, bud :thumbsup:

[lunarose]

Sorry about all the boys I've had grows like that never that many boys it sucks. The rest of your grow looks wonderful. The bags you use are they smartpots or did you make them?

[KillerBudG]

Plants looking great Shov. keep up the good work. If you don't mind me asking, Which I hope you don't. What is your goal you are aiming to accomplish, as I mean yield wise and any other things you are planning to accomplish.?:jointsmile:


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[Shovelhandle]

These four Z11 and the one G13 x NCDG were "Plan B" to fill in th espace in the event that I had too many males of the Neville's Haze. Well now "Plan B" is the game. All I want to do is to get through this grow and have some good smoke. I also figured that since I could have NH pollen that I'd make a few seeds of the Z11 X NH and G13/NCDG x NH since I have no more Z11 or G13/ncdg seeds. I may leave the plants in the bag, or after my trip I may put the bags into 5 gallon pails. I have the soil and everything right therer to do that...

[KillerBudG]

I like the seed idea, I will be really interested in seeing the out come of this grow. And the next grow of the seeds you make.:D I am trying to figure out what would be good to cross with a MIS since its a land race. I think there might be some good to come out of it, As its really over looked just to dam leafy tho IMO. Sorry for the little jack on your thread. Hope ya don't get mad bro:jointsmile:


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[MonkeyBone]

Your plants look leathery! Compared to mine that looks paperish!!

Male!!??

Can't you make some hash or something with them?

[Shovelhandle]

Four Z11 (Afghani strain, very close to Bubblegum)

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=231404&stc=1&d=1258208925

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One G13 x NCDG

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=231408&stc=1&d=1258208925

[Shovelhandle]

The Mister Nice Seeds Neville's Haze male had a couple of open flowers so I shook it over the five ladies and tossed it into the compost pile. It will be quite a while before the seeds ripen and I will be able to grow out the two hybrids (Z11 x NH and G13/NCDG x NH) and test the smoke. Unfortunetly, I have yet to smoke MNS NH.

Shov

[DTRave420]

Lovely Ladies Shov...Hope everything's cool with the little time lapse...HAPPY THANKSGIVING MAN!!!:hippy:

[Shovelhandle]

Well, I had to go away for five days and have a house sitter to care for our pets. Only the wife and I know about the grow, so I have no one to care for the plants. So I watered them and left them hidden in the dark. When we returned home I put the lights and fan on immediately. The next day I transplanted the plants, each in 3 gallon bags into 5 gallon pails, BOG style, fed and watered them in. They are now in their fourth week of bloom and are looking fine. I'll get some photos later.

Shov

[Shovelhandle]

G13

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=232057&stc=1&d=1259167305

Three Indica Z11

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=232058&stc=1&d=1259167305

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A Sativa Z11. This is a first out of many, many Z specimens to show sativa phenotype

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=232061&stc=1&d=1259167305

Shov

[Shovelhandle]

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=232062&stc=1&d=1259167580

Sho

[frostedwonder]

So you just cut the bottom of the bag and stick it in the pail? That rules...less stress i suppose..

[Shovelhandle]

yep.
BOG used to cut his pails, duct tape the bottom back on and remove the bottom when transplanting on top of a larger pail. I've tried it once and it worked well. In this case I have four or more weeks until I harvest so it should be woth while.

Shov

[sarah louise]

Well Shov, they don't seem to have minded the few days in the dark at all. Hope the rest of flowering runs smoothly for you.

[deleafer2220]

Shovel,

Is BOG not the same creater of the Tier Metheod ?

[Shovelhandle]

I don't know about a 'tier method' BOG worked with Bubblegum strain and created some of his own very nice hybrids.

Cutting the bottom of the bag off, i place it into the partially filled 5 gallon pail. Then I use a sissors to triim off the bottom few inches of the bag and fill around it with potting soil. I water both from the top and from the sides to keep the soil equally moist.

Thanks for the messages, Deleaf, Sarah and Frosted.

Shov

[MonkeyBone]

WOW!! those looks fantastic! Leaves looks wet and healthy!!

:thumbsup:

[DTRave420]

Well, I had to go away for five days and have a house sitter to care for our pets. Only the wife and I know about the grow, so I have no one to care for the plants. So I watered them and left them hidden in the dark. When we returned home I put the lights and fan on immediately. The next day I transplanted the plants, each in 3 gallon bags into 5 gallon pails, BOG style, fed and watered them in. They are now in their fourth week of bloom and are looking fine.

Shov
Heehee,this is gonna be great!!!I cannot think of a grow I'd rather watch right now...A pleasure watchin' you work man!!!:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Shovel,

Is BOG not the same creater of the Tier Metheod ?
In STINKY'S words,"BOG is a great proponent of multi-tier transplanting"...
This style of transplant must've been around for countless time before any of us was a thought including BushyOldGrower...I think many growers discover it by themselves...I did...Thought I invented it and did a thread about it on afew sites including this one,lol...STINKY told me about the BOG and my Noble Prize for horticulture flew out the window,lol!!!:o

[Shovelhandle]

I can't get good close-ups. :wtf:

At 31 Days, still a ways to go!

G13 x NCDG

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=232390&stc=1&d=1259700210

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Z11 (under HPS)

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=232393&stc=1&d=1259700210

Shov

[frostedwonder]

Those pics bring a tear to my eye they are soo nice.. Damn if it was me I could die a happy man after sampling all that when there done, I will stay tuned... nice job!

[lunarose]

Shov, Those are some gorgeous Christmas Trees you are growing, Santa may never leave your place this year.

[bluntpasser]

those ladies are so gorgeous. you are quite the green thumb shov..:thumbsup:

[bonedaddy420]

Maaaan, I NEED to get an HID lamp. Very nice looking ladies:)

[headshake]

it's going to be a very nice christmas!

-shake

[sarah louise]

My that's some nice looking buds Shov, regardless of what you think of your camera they are some mouthwatering pics.

[DTRave420]

Very nice Shov...Looks like you're gonna have some nice colas with the extra room you've got to run...:)

[Shovelhandle]

Looking not bad for a 30 day veg. the G13xNCDG the Z11 sativa pheno is what I'm wondering about. I've never run or remember the details of a NCDG grow and you would think that the sativa would like extra bloom time.

[Shovelhandle]

Some shots of the buds.

G13 x NCDG

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=232717&stc=1&d=1260108796

Sativa Z11

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=232719&stc=1&d=1260108796

Indica Z11

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=232718&stc=1&d=1260108796

These next two Z11 plants' buds are loaded with little yellow male stamens. This is un-good, but it explains to me how I've missed these little things in past grows (and the resulting seeds). As this crop is for smoke and not for breeding, I'll leave them alone. I will only grow out seed from the sativa or the G13 and even then I'll be looking for the sativa traits (as I did pollenate with Neville's Haze, remember?) I can only hope... One bit of encouragement, a friend of mine, a long time outdoor cultivator, told me that the most potent weed he ever grew was from a hermie plant. ;)

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=232721&stc=1&d=1260108796

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=232720&stc=1&d=1260108796

Sorry for the poor quality photos

Shov

[headshake]

those buds look absolutely wonderful! the color on them is crazy. they look like cotton spun around a stem or something. budelstilzkin!

-shake

[lunarose]

Amazing! They are making my mouth water.

[krums1000]

Bud pr0n at it's very finest! :thumbsup:

A merry xmas indeed. :smokin:

[bluntpasser]

Wow shov, those solubles really make those plants mature quick, quite a show. :thumbsup:
I cant wait to try them out in my next grow..Hope everything is good with the family man..:)

[KillerBudG]

Yo killer pics of the buds, Hope I can grow something half way as beautiful as your plants.:thumbsup:


~One~:rastasmoke:
~BudG~:rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

[Shovelhandle]

;)
So, I guess you all love my hermies too? I'm surprised, really. Hermies are the bane of breeders and most growers but I'm not too concerned as long as they put out good smoke and they don't come around when I'm running pricey genetics.

Shov

[Shovelhandle]

sorry, lousy photos

Hermies

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=232918&stc=1&d=1260395473

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=232919&stc=1&d=1260395473

Z 11 Sativa

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=232921&stc=1&d=1260395473

Z11 Indica

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=232920&stc=1&d=1260395473

Thank you, folks

Shov

[lunarose]

I'm jealous even your "lousy" photos are a 100 times better then my best. I'll never get the hang of it. What I find interesting is that are grows are at pretty much the same stage mine but the difference in the bud size and frostiness is unbelievable the old nights have really affected mine.

[DTRave420]

Looking at your work for more than a year now,I'm sure those herms will rock...One thing's 4 sho Shov,you're an optimist that will not quit!!!
Do you think that period of darkness had anything to do with them hermin'???
I'm taking a 4 day trip around Christmas but I'll still be early/mid veg...Gonna water/feed em heavy right before I leave and leave the system running,(CFL in the other closet with an open door)The only thing that worries me is cold temps during lights out of the 18/6...Thinkin' about buyin' some REVERSE and PENETRATOR to give me the edge as I've only grown (fem) plants to date...

Good luck with everything Shov...

[Shovelhandle]

No, I think that the strain has a propensity to hermie. Also, the seeds came from a grow without a real male, so that is probably the reason. I will not grow out seed from any of these indica Z11 and I will cull any indica doms from any of the G13 or the Z11 sativa's seedlings, if I decide to grow them out. This all depends if the herbs are super outstanding or not.
:hippy:

SHov

[Shovelhandle]

G13 x NCDG

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=233221&stc=1&d=1260733988
http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=233222&stc=1&d=1260733988

Hermie

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=233223&stc=1&d=1260733988

All

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=233224&stc=1&d=1260733988


Shov

[Shovelhandle]

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=233447&stc=1&d=1260928531

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=233448&stc=1&d=1260928531

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=233449&stc=1&d=1260928531

Shov

[mainegrown]

crazy bro... you got any idea where they came from... other than the plant i mean. ha ha
-J'Stoned

[MonkeyBone]

HO MY GOD! I tought that last year, one of my plant has banana for years, but you man, got a real banana tree here!!! I'm pretty sure it will also taste banana!!

Everything is beautiful in your garden, even banana shake.

:thumbsup:

[Balkey]

Thanks for the closer pics of nanners. I've got some of those at the moment on my largest girl. Kinda disheartening but like I said, she's the biggest, and thickest. Hope those nanners are good smoke lol :stoned:, for both of us!

[Shovelhandle]

NO smoke 'em. You kind of brush them off after they dry. They won't stay on the bud. Yes, there are a shit-ton of 'em, eh?

[sarah louise]

;) So, I guess you all love my hermies too?

Shit happens Shov, shame for it to happen in a crop you have intentionally pollinated, but yeah, it happens.

Are you seeing any seed developing yet from the staminate flowers?

[Shovelhandle]

No, appears that the stamen are mostly sterile. I do have see forming from the earlier polination though.

[bonedaddy420]

I love the pics, not everyone grows out hermies so I am glad we have some nice pics to see what it looks like. And the weed still looks bomb ass anyways so its all good.:)

[TruePyroman]

I guess it was that long dark period that caused em to go hermie? I had one plant hermie on me but it only had nanners on the bottom of the budsites... which is why I didn't catch it

[Shovelhandle]

NO, the dark period wasn't it. It's the strain.

and thanks bombD. I seen these stamen in this strain when I really looked for them under the female calyxes, after drying. Usually you just have the odd little dried up yellow stamen (banana) in the buds. Not always like fully developed male balls that open up with 5 stamen full of pollen, like a real male.

[Balkey]

NO, the dark period wasn't it. It's the strain.

and thanks bombD. I seen these stamen in this strain when I really looked for them under the female calyxes, after drying. Usually you just have the odd little dried up yellow stamen (banana) in the buds. Not always like fully developed male balls that open up with 5 stamen full of pollen, like a real male.

Have you actually seen the pollen Shov? I have yet to see the magical yellow dust that I'm used to seeing come out of male sacs. I was joking bout smoking the nanners too!! :stoned: What are you opinions about that strain hermying on a consistent basis? Will you stop growing that particular strain or keep on chugging along with it? You think the hermy trait is more dominate now that the male nanners are more developed and flaunting their stuff?

[Shovelhandle]

All done with Z project, this is the end of all the seeds I have of that strain. I did cross it with bubblegum but the plants got stolen. It's no great loss, nice growth and product but liked to hermie. The one sativa crossed with NH is the only possible exception.

[Shovelhandle]

I decided to start the next round of plants, though I don't know where I will be putting them as the present grow still has at least a week for the most of the plants and a few weeks beyond that for the sativa.

I have (80 SSH x Blueberry, (8) MNS Neville's Haze (hoping for some females this time) and one Bubblegum x Blueberry seeds germinating. I'll continue the progress reports in a new grow journal when then get to a respectable size.

Shov

[headshake]

nice lineup for the next grow shove. the blueberry X SSH sounds awesome!

-shake

[Shovelhandle]

oops, that should be (8) not 80 SSH x Blueberry (SSH female, BB male)

I really just want to get a good NH harvest.

Sho

[MonkeyBone]

humm...Blueberry pie!!! :D

:thumbsup:

[sarah louise]

No, appears that the stamen are mostly sterile. I do have see forming from the earlier polination though.
That's a bonus then. I must admit to keeping a strain going for 12 years that had a strong propensity for intersexual characteristics... I'd brought the seed home in the toe of my boot from Nepal in the early 90's, so I was a bit sentimental about them. Gone now, lost when my seed stash was nicked.


I decided to start the next round of plants, though I don't know where I will be putting them as the present grow still has at least a week for the most of the plants and a few weeks beyond that for the sativa.
That's what I like to hear, back to back growing, no sitting on your laurels in between :thumbsup:

All the best for the next lot.

[Shovelhandle]

NO, the dark period wasn't it. It's the strain.

and thanks bombD. I seen these stamen in this strain when I really looked for them under the female calyxes, after drying. Usually you just have the odd little dried up yellow stamen (banana) in the buds. Not always like fully developed male balls that open up with 5 stamen full of pollen, like a real male.


Well, maybe the dark period did help, i"ve never seen so many. I checked trics and they're not ready yet. Hope next week. The NCDG is a 50-55 day strain, I'm not sure about this hybrid. I'm at day 50 now. The z11 sativa will be quite a bit longer. The indica doms should be done soon.

Sho

[Shovelhandle]

Flushing this plant out this week. Looks real nice.

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=233933&stc=1&d=1261524828

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=233934&stc=1&d=1261524828

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=233935&stc=1&d=1261524828

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=233936&stc=1&d=1261524828

[KillerBudG]

Wow Shov, That plant look absolutely awesome man:thumbsup:



~one~:rastasmoke:
~BudG~:rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

[Shovelhandle]

I know it, huh? Nice genes. This is the only (NCDG) fem survivor of all the seeds gifted from two different people. I'm anxious to smoke some up!
I'm poor at distinguishing smells and I"ll just have to wait and try some out in a few weeks. I am thinking of harvesting this week and I am going to pull a bud of the Z11 and put it on the radiator for a preview.

Sho

[EvilCartman]

Day 52 Bloom G13 x NCDG
Flushing this plant out this week. Looks real nice.

Heck, yeah it does! :thumbsup:
Sweet lookin' meds.

Don't let Santa see that bud on the radiator...he carries a pipe. ;)

[monny10]

Holy fuckin shit!!

I'm in awwwe Shove! :thumbsup:

how much d'you think you'll get dry?

so dense!....I think I'll read your grow page to page from the start...

nice work! :thumbsup:

[Shovelhandle]

I started some new seeds
(8) Mr Nice Nevilles Haza (agin) :wtf:
(8)Super Silver Haze x Blueberry (DP) F1
(1) Vermont Bubblegum x Blueberry (DP)

They are in a window box vessel under 24 light from T8 34 Watt Daylight.

And the taste test...well, I tried a little and got really ripped, fought with the Mrs. and was still high :thumbsup: But then the test became asquewed when she plied me with medicinal compouds not in the control study and I got wripped. :stoned:

Heading out for the holiday cheer very soon so that's the end of our work day... :D

Shub

[Shovelhandle]

All the indicas are now flushed and waiting in the dark to be chopped in a couple of days. Just the Z11 sativa is under the lights. I gave it a taste test and it is some good shit!

The new seedlings are popping. There are six each of the NH and SSH x BB and the one BG x BB. They are under 24 hrs of light right now. When the sativa is finished I'll move the seedlings under the HID light and change to the grow MH lamp and begin a new Grow Log.

Merry Christmas!

Sho

[EvilCartman]

The new seedlings are popping. There are six each of the NH and SSH x BB and the one BG x BB. They are under 24 hrs of light right now. When the sativa is finished I'll move the seedlings under the HID light and change to the grow MH lamp and begin a new Grow Log.

Merry Christmas!


I'll be watchin' out for that one. :thumbsup:
Hope the NH cooperates this time out. A 6:0 female to male ratio would be appropriate! I'm thinkin' good thoughts for ya! :)

Merry X-mas!

[sarah louise]

lovely looking NCDG buds :thumbsup:

Wishing you all the best Shov, for the new grow and a hempy new year.

sara :hippy:

[Shovelhandle]

Eh, I decided to move this along and chop and hang the (3) Z11 indica and the (1) G13 x NCDG. Still have one Z11 sativa under lights until itâ??s done ripening. :hippy:

Shov

[headshake]

nice strains you just started shove!

i just got some SSH and blueberry is definitely on the list! can't wait to see what's comes out from up in those sleeves.

hope you had a great holiday!


-shake

[Shovelhandle]

Buds are dried, trimmed and weighted. (3) Z11 indica produced 4 oz of nice niggets. They were harder to trim with lots of fan leaves. The (1) G13 x NCDG produced just shy of 2 oz of nuggets. really no fan leaves or sugar leaf tips to trim. I didn't get any yellowing of the lower leaves in these plants. They are curing in open jars in a metal chest for now. No need to label, the Z11 has lots of brown/red hair and the G13 is more lime green and sparkley. Everything is smelling pretty green yet though. The Z11 sativa is looking like it may not be too much longer. It is showing lotls of lwer yellow leaves. Then the new seedlings will be transplanted into the 400 watt grow area.

Shov

[killa12345]

Great Log Shov, Great Pics, Overall a wonderful show.....Thanks for sharing this with us! THe harvest weights sound good too....:thumbsup::thumbsup:

2 thumbs up brotha!

[Shovelhandle]

Yep Thanks, good harvest considering that the Z11 and G13 only got 4 weeks of veg in a window, no artificial light!

Shov

[Shovelhandle]

Here's the G13 x NCDG

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=234392&stc=1&d=1262289516

And the Z11 indica dom

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=234393&stc=1&d=1262289516

Shit pics, oh well...

Sho

[Shovelhandle]

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=234538&stc=1&d=1262561528

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=234539&stc=1&d=1262561528

Should be harvested around day 70. This is the first sativa of this particular hybrid. I also pollenated with MNS' NH.

Sho

[MonkeyBone]

Looks like a "couronne"! Those are frosty buds!

:thumbsup:

[Shovelhandle]

<G> Well, I think the only thing left is to hack that sativa, finish cure and smoke report. I'm really excited (hopeful) that some of this shit will be excellent. Though the grams per plant were down that was due to half the normal veg cycle (four instead o' eight weeks). Anyway, I'll be continuing with a new grow log immediately, or so. Today I transplanted some promising two week old seedlings. Five Mister Nice Seeds' Neville's Haze, six Super Silver Haze x (DP)Blueberry and one Vermont Bubblegum x (DP)Blueberry. A total of one dozen. No feminized seedlings at all this time.

Thanks Folks!

Shovelhandle :hippy:

[bickeybammer]

well done shov ! :rastasmoke:

cant wait to see the ssh x blueberry!!! sounds tastey!

[DTRave420]

Yep,I hear ya on the (fems) Shov...Glad to hear you pulled some decent smoke out of this grow...Really lookin' forward to watchin' your DP BB crosses...:)

[Shovelhandle]

This plant was in the dark for three days before I pulled it and hung it to dry this morning.

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=234821&stc=1&d=1262964194

Shov

[headshake]

is that thing gonna be a pain in the ass to harvest shove?

-shake

[Shovelhandle]

Easy? well it won't be the easiest but it's only one plant. I will trim the leaves tomorrow and leave the rest to dry for 3-5 days before it's dry enough to jar up with the rest (that were harvested two weeks earlier). It's not as bad as the photo seems. The buds are nice and heavy.

Sho

[mainegrown]

damn..
thats all i gotta say bro
~MG

[Shovelhandle]

A report so far on the sativa I pulled on Friday and trimmed yesterday.

It is loaded with seed, mostly nice and ripe. Typical to a sativa, plus the extra two bloom weeks the seeds fall right out when you handle the branches. So, I sift out a bunch of seeds before I hang the branches. I dry the shake overnight on the computer modem and twist up three small joints this am. I smoke the smallest. I'm wicked stoned. This will likely be really good shit, and the seed father is Neville's Haze from Mister Nice Seeds.

Good one!

Shov

[bigtopsfinn]

Finally had the chance to read through this log. Loved the pics!

Sorry to hear about all your troubles but hopefully that's all water under the bridge by now :)

Looking forward to your next log :jointsmile:

[frostedwonder]

Hey after smoking the small j and staring at a plate full of beans from that plant I would be pretty happy! Mr Nice knows his stuff for sure!

[Shovelhandle]

The branches of Z11 sativa snapped today. The bud was crispy, bad. So I put all the branches into a 3 quart mason jar with a carrot to moiture back a little.

Sho

[Shovelhandle]

Three Quart Jar of Z 11 Sativa (heavily seeded).
http://boards.cannabis.com/attachments/grow-log/235128d1263254282-shovs-autumn-2009-grow-dsci0009s.jpg
Shov

[mainegrown]

gotta love the seeds from nice plants..
you must spread some reputation around before... oh fuck later bro

~MG a.k.a. le Maine développé

[Shovelhandle]

And it has that lovely Bubblegum odor, floral/castille soap. Mmm

[MonkeyBone]

Seeds? mail me some!

You can start a freaking jungle with that much seeds, but if the weed gets you stoned, let's smoke em!!

[Shovelhandle]

We can't do that here. MB

[BadLuck]

Lookin great Shov, congrats.

[Shovelhandle]

Doo dum dum dum dum-dee doo dum dum :hippy:

[mainegrown]

its too bad that you cant send off a bunch of em pesky seeds.. :D
ya know just to make you less sad about havin so many lol :)

~MG a.k.a. le Maine développé

[Shovelhandle]

Ummm, you know that I intentionally pollenated these plants, right? <g>

But seriously, this is hopefully a work in progress. I have to grow the seeds out to see if the cross makes good orfsprinks. Yet, I'd be happy to part with a few seeds here or there. See what someone else can do with 'em.

SHO

[bickeybammer]

well done again shov.....! that sativa looks like one of the craziest looking buds ive seen!!!

[headshake]

nice work shov. i hope that you have some nice orfsprinks!

-shake

[monny10]

Yeah, nice work shov! :thumbsup:

[MonkeyBone]

We can't do that here. MB

OKOK when looking at my post, you'll see a "messenger" sign near top right under "rep", click on it, you'll see my hotmail adress! Msn too!

:thumbsup:

[Shovelhandle]

OKOK when looking at my post, you'll see a "messenger" sign near top right under "rep", click on it, you'll see my hotmail adress! Msn too!

:thumbsup:

zatrite? :stoned:

[Shovelhandle]

Final smoke report.

Well, the G13 x NCDG is all smoked up, but it was really fine including white outs. Very strong.

Z11 with the dry hermie stamen, a little strange loooking but again, very fine bud. Good strength and not much tollerance at all.

Z11, the sativa. This is my favorite because it has everything the Z11 is but has seed fathered from Mr Nice Seeds' Neville's Haze. Lots of seeds... speaking of which, I did pollenate a limited amount of the Z11s. Probably 10-12 of each kind. Again, crossed with NH.

The flavors are not very distinct as I think a lot of that has to do with the grow nutrients. However, they are very mild on the inhale and smell/taste nice on the exhale (joints).

Shov

[Shovelhandle]

Just a bump up in time to coincide with my present 11/2013 grow of Z-11 sativa x Neville's Haze. I looked in my list and I still have three seeds from the (G13 x North Cali Daddy's Girl) x Neville's Haze to grow one of these days!
This thread illistrates how my first order of Mr Nce NH seeds was a bust (all males). In time I find that the male did produce some great orfsprinks.


Flushing this plant out this week. Looks real nice.

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=233933&stc=1&d=1261524828

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=233934&stc=1&d=1261524828

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=233935&stc=1&d=1261524828

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=233936&stc=1&d=1261524828