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Torog
03-30-2005, 03:56 PM
No "compelling evidence" that she wanted to live.
THIS AFFIDAVIT WAS REJECTED BY JUDGE GREER BECAUSE HE SAID IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO THE COURT 3 DAYS EARLIER

Declaration of Barbara J Weller

State of Florida

County of Pinellas

I, Barbara Weller, attorney for respondents (note: Schindler family) in the above styled case, hereby declare under penalty of perjury:

1. I visited with Terri at various times during the day on March 18, 2005, the day her feeding tube was removed.

2. During the morning I was in the room with Terri and various members of her family. Terri was in good spirits that morning. The mood in her room was jovial, particularly around noontime, as we knew Congressional attorneys were on the scene and many were working hard to save Terriā??s life. For most of that time I was visiting and talking with Terri along with Terriā??s sister Suzanne Vitadamo Suzanneā??s husband and Terriā??s aunt who was visiting from New York to help provide support for the family. A female Pinellas Park police officer was stationed at the door outside Terriā??s room.

3. Terri was sitting up in her lounge chair, dressed and looking alert and well. Her feeding tube had been plugged in around 11am and we all felt good that she was still being fed. Suzanne and I were talking, joking and laughing with Terri, telling her she was going to go to Washington DC to testify before Congress, which meant that finally Terriā??s husband Michael would be required to fix her wheelchair. After that Suzanne could take Terri to the mall shopping and could wheel her outdoors every day to feel the wind and sunshine on her face, something she has not been able to do for more than five years.

4. At one point I noticed Terriā??s window blinds were pulled down. I went to the window to raise them so Terri could look at the beautiful garden outside her window and see the sun after several days of rain. As sunlight came into the room, Terriā??s eyes widened and she was obviously very pleased.

5. Suzanne and I continued to talk and joke with Terri for probably an hour or more. At one point Suzanne called Terri the bionic woman and I heard Terri laugh out loud heartily. She laughed so hard that for the first time I noticed the dimples in her cheeks.

6. The most dramatic event of this visit happened at one point when I was sitting on Terriā??s bed next to Suzanne. Terri was sitting in her lounge chair and her aunt was standing at the foot of the bed. I stood up and leaned over Terri. I took her arms in both of my hands. I said ā??Terri if you could only say ā??I want to liveā?? this whole thing could be over today.ā? I begged her very hard to say ā??I want to liveā?. To my enormous shock and surprise, Terriā??s eyes opened wide, she looked me square in the face, and with a look of great concentration she said ā??Ahhhhhhh.ā? Then seeming to summon up all the strength she had, she virtually screamed ā??Waaaaaaa.ā? She yelled so loudly that Michael Vitadamo, Suzanneā??s husband, and the female police officer who were then standing together outside Terriā??s door clearly heard her. At that point Terri had a look on anguish on her face that I had never seen before and she seemed to be struggling very hard, but was unable to complete the sentence. She became very frustrated and began to cry. I became horrified that I was obviously causing Terri so much anguish. Suzanne and I began to stroke Terriā??s face and to comfort her. I told Terri I was very sorry. It had not been my intention to upset her so much. Suzanne and I assured Terri that her efforts were much appreciated and that she did not need to try to say anything more. I promised Terri that I would tell the world that she had tried to say ā??I want to liveā?

7. Suzanne and I continued to visit and talk with Terri, along with other family members who came and went into the room, until about 2 p.m., when we were all told to leave after Judge Greer denied yet another motion for stay and ordered the removal of the feeding tube to proceed. As we left the room, the female police officer outside the door was valiantly attempting to keep from crying.

8. About 4 in the afternoon, several hours after the feeding tube was removed, I returned to Terriā??s room. By that time she was alone except for a male police officer now standing inside the door. When I entered the room and began to speak to her, Terri started to cry and tried to speak to me immediately. It was one of the most helpless feelings I have ever had. Terri was looking very melancholy at that point and I had the sense she was very upset that we had told her things were going to get better, but instead, they were obviously getting worse. I had previously had the same feeling when my own daughter was a baby who was hospitalized and was crying and looking to me to rescue her from her hospital crib, something I could not do. While I was in the room with Terri for the next half hour or so, several friends came to visit and I did a few press interviews sitting right next to Terri. I again raised her window shade which had again been pulled down, so Terri could at least see the garden and the sunshine from her lounge chair. I also turned the radio on in her room before I left so that when she was alone, she would at least have some music for comfort.

9. Just before I left the room I leaned over Terri and spoke right into her ear. I told her I was very sorry I had not been able to stop the feeding tube form being taken out and I was very sorry I had to leave her alone. But I reminded her that Jesus would stay right by her side even when no one else was there with her. When I mentioned Jesusā?? name, Terri again laughed out loud. She became very agitated and began loudly trying to speak to me again. As Terri continue to laugh and to try to speak, I quietly prayed in her ear, placed her in Jesusā?? care, and left the room.

FURTHER YOUR DECLARANT SAYETH NOT

I hereby declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and accurate to the best of my knowledge and belief, executed this 22d day of March 2005 at Seminole Florida.
Barbara J. Weller
Sworn to and subscribed before me this 25th day of March 2005.

http://www.theempirejournal.com/Weller_I_Want_To_Live.pdf

THIS AFFIDAVIT WAS REJECTED BY JUDGE GREER BECAUSE HE SAID IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO THE COURT 3 DAYS EARLIER

Florida Statutes

Chapter 765- Health Care Advance Directives

765.01 (12) "Persistent vegetative state" means a permanent and irreversible condition of unconsciousness in which there is:

(a) The absence of voluntary action or cognitive behavior of any kind.

(b) An inability to communicate or interact purposefully with the environment :(

Psycho4Bud
03-30-2005, 04:06 PM
Can anybody say "No hope for recovery"? My God, 80% of this poor girls brain consists of spinal fluid now. It always helps when some money grubbin fame chaser makes it look like she is just a lil' under the weather! The sad thing is that we patronize these asses by even acknowledging them.

Torog
03-30-2005, 04:15 PM
Can anybody say "No hope for recovery"? My God, 80% of this poor girls brain consists of spinal fluid now. It always helps when some money grubbin fame chaser makes it look like she is just a lil' under the weather! The sad thing is that we patronize these asses by even acknowledging them.
Howdy Psycho4Bud,

This was submitted,under penalty of perjury..it's not a grasp for fame.

I bet that you're one of them that think that unborn children,are just a clump of cells..until they are born. Clearly,you are a member of the party of death..and a subscriber,to the culture of death.

amsterdam
03-30-2005, 04:18 PM
nice thumbnail torog!its a sad story about terry.even if they put her feeding tube back in could she survive?

Torog
03-30-2005, 04:23 PM
nice thumbnail torog!its a sad story about terry.even if they put her feeding tube back in could she survive?
Howdy amsterdam,

Good question. I believe it will be decided by God..obviously,if He brings her home..she'd be much better off..but if there's any reason for her to be a part of God's Plan..He will keep her here,until her work is done..and we must seek to understand the lesson in all of this heart-breaking tragedy.

Have a good one....

amsterdam
03-30-2005, 04:25 PM
i agree 100%the parents did win a court battle today so we'll see.i hope it isn't to late.

Psycho4Bud
03-30-2005, 05:02 PM
Howdy Psycho4Bud,

This was submitted,under penalty of perjury..it's not a grasp for fame.

I bet that you're one of them that think that unborn children,are just a clump of cells..until they are born. Clearly,you are a member of the party of death..and a subscriber,to the culture of death.

Why thank you for ASSUMING that I'm a baby killer and whatever other crap you put into your "party of death" assumptions.
So what is your idea of living? What if all the things you now enjoy were taken away to the point where the highlite of your day was following a balloon with your eyes? I hope to hell that if I were in that state someone would show enough COMPASSION to put me out of my missory! If that is being part of the "Party of Death", I guess I'm a member!

amsterdam
03-30-2005, 05:30 PM
crazy as it sounds,i like the word "BABY KILLER" ,it comes out like a poem when i say it fast.lol

Funken Monken
03-30-2005, 05:48 PM
Howdy Psycho4Bud,


I bet that you're one of them that think that unborn children,are just a clump of cells..until they are born. Clearly,you are a member of the party of death..and a subscriber,to the culture of death.


Oh for fuck sake Torog, give it a rest with this emotive crap will you?

You were in the millitary, so you must be a member of the party of death. Duuhhh! And what is it with you having to bring one debate in with another? Can you not deal with the issues seperately? Well hey, I guess that guy you voted for cannot so it makes sense.....



For all you and your pro-life buddies out there, get a grip, and get to terms with the fact that its the way it is, or it goes udnerground and women will die. Like everyones use of the great weed, its illeagal, but still we do it. Its the same with the big 'A' debate.

Epic
03-30-2005, 06:44 PM
Im crying. Wait, no im not. Christ dude this is like your 7th thread on this half-dead bitch. Let it GO.

CULTURE OF DEATH CULTURE OF DEATH! Drop the stupid catch phrases.

NowhereMan
03-30-2005, 08:01 PM
No "compelling evidence" that she wanted to live.
THIS AFFIDAVIT WAS REJECTED BY JUDGE GREER BECAUSE HE SAID IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO THE COURT 3 DAYS EARLIER

Declaration of Barbara J Weller

State of Florida

County of Pinellas

I, Barbara Weller, attorney for respondents (note: Schindler family) in the above styled case, hereby declare under penalty of perjury:

1. I visited with Terri at various times during the day on March 18, 2005, the day her feeding tube was removed.

2. During the morning I was in the room with Terri and various members of her family. Terri was in good spirits that morning. The mood in her room was jovial, particularly around noontime, as we knew Congressional attorneys were on the scene and many were working hard to save Terriā??s life. For most of that time I was visiting and talking with Terri along with Terriā??s sister Suzanne Vitadamo Suzanneā??s husband and Terriā??s aunt who was visiting from New York to help provide support for the family. A female Pinellas Park police officer was stationed at the door outside Terriā??s room.

3. Terri was sitting up in her lounge chair, dressed and looking alert and well. Her feeding tube had been plugged in around 11am and we all felt good that she was still being fed. Suzanne and I were talking, joking and laughing with Terri, telling her she was going to go to Washington DC to testify before Congress, which meant that finally Terriā??s husband Michael would be required to fix her wheelchair. After that Suzanne could take Terri to the mall shopping and could wheel her outdoors every day to feel the wind and sunshine on her face, something she has not been able to do for more than five years.

4. At one point I noticed Terriā??s window blinds were pulled down. I went to the window to raise them so Terri could look at the beautiful garden outside her window and see the sun after several days of rain. As sunlight came into the room, Terriā??s eyes widened and she was obviously very pleased.

5. Suzanne and I continued to talk and joke with Terri for probably an hour or more. At one point Suzanne called Terri the bionic woman and I heard Terri laugh out loud heartily. She laughed so hard that for the first time I noticed the dimples in her cheeks.

6. The most dramatic event of this visit happened at one point when I was sitting on Terriā??s bed next to Suzanne. Terri was sitting in her lounge chair and her aunt was standing at the foot of the bed. I stood up and leaned over Terri. I took her arms in both of my hands. I said ā??Terri if you could only say ā??I want to liveā?? this whole thing could be over today.ā? I begged her very hard to say ā??I want to liveā?. To my enormous shock and surprise, Terriā??s eyes opened wide, she looked me square in the face, and with a look of great concentration she said ā??Ahhhhhhh.ā? Then seeming to summon up all the strength she had, she virtually screamed ā??Waaaaaaa.ā? She yelled so loudly that Michael Vitadamo, Suzanneā??s husband, and the female police officer who were then standing together outside Terriā??s door clearly heard her. At that point Terri had a look on anguish on her face that I had never seen before and she seemed to be struggling very hard, but was unable to complete the sentence. She became very frustrated and began to cry. I became horrified that I was obviously causing Terri so much anguish. Suzanne and I began to stroke Terriā??s face and to comfort her. I told Terri I was very sorry. It had not been my intention to upset her so much. Suzanne and I assured Terri that her efforts were much appreciated and that she did not need to try to say anything more. I promised Terri that I would tell the world that she had tried to say ā??I want to liveā?

7. Suzanne and I continued to visit and talk with Terri, along with other family members who came and went into the room, until about 2 p.m., when we were all told to leave after Judge Greer denied yet another motion for stay and ordered the removal of the feeding tube to proceed. As we left the room, the female police officer outside the door was valiantly attempting to keep from crying.

8. About 4 in the afternoon, several hours after the feeding tube was removed, I returned to Terriā??s room. By that time she was alone except for a male police officer now standing inside the door. When I entered the room and began to speak to her, Terri started to cry and tried to speak to me immediately. It was one of the most helpless feelings I have ever had. Terri was looking very melancholy at that point and I had the sense she was very upset that we had told her things were going to get better, but instead, they were obviously getting worse. I had previously had the same feeling when my own daughter was a baby who was hospitalized and was crying and looking to me to rescue her from her hospital crib, something I could not do. While I was in the room with Terri for the next half hour or so, several friends came to visit and I did a few press interviews sitting right next to Terri. I again raised her window shade which had again been pulled down, so Terri could at least see the garden and the sunshine from her lounge chair. I also turned the radio on in her room before I left so that when she was alone, she would at least have some music for comfort.

9. Just before I left the room I leaned over Terri and spoke right into her ear. I told her I was very sorry I had not been able to stop the feeding tube form being taken out and I was very sorry I had to leave her alone. But I reminded her that Jesus would stay right by her side even when no one else was there with her. When I mentioned Jesusā?? name, Terri again laughed out loud. She became very agitated and began loudly trying to speak to me again. As Terri continue to laugh and to try to speak, I quietly prayed in her ear, placed her in Jesusā?? care, and left the room.

FURTHER YOUR DECLARANT SAYETH NOT

I hereby declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and accurate to the best of my knowledge and belief, executed this 22d day of March 2005 at Seminole Florida.
Barbara J. Weller
Sworn to and subscribed before me this 25th day of March 2005.

http://www.theempirejournal.com/Weller_I_Want_To_Live.pdf

THIS AFFIDAVIT WAS REJECTED BY JUDGE GREER BECAUSE HE SAID IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO THE COURT 3 DAYS EARLIER

Florida Statutes

Chapter 765- Health Care Advance Directives

765.01 (12) "Persistent vegetative state" means a permanent and irreversible condition of unconsciousness in which there is:

(a) The absence of voluntary action or cognitive behavior of any kind.

(b) An inability to communicate or interact purposefully with the environment :(


sorry ol pal but i must say
how the hell she know she wasnt trying to say" i want to die"
end this misery please
im sure hoping they honor my wish to let me go if im a veggy

and that talking and luaghing with her part,is silly shit to me ,the chick cant talk or luagh,and light will make anyones eyes respond
even people whos not conscious,so that means nothing

sadly this story is not about one person
just this one is newsworthy to so many
what about all the people such as the old lady that laid in a nursing home in hamlin WV for ten days no food no water,and died cuase her family said dont feed her,nobody cared cuase nobody cares about you if you cant hire lawyers
she wasnt some fancy ass family member but just some used up thrown out old lady that her family stuck in a home to die .

im sick of that being news,
tragic as it is they should honor her wish,i know her family says she didnt say it,her husbands a dick, but only he knows what she told him
can we say polygraph?
soduim penathol?
get to the truth and be done with it
peace

Epic
03-30-2005, 11:15 PM
Even if she told her family, they stated in court that they would still go against her wishes and keep her alive.

The whole family is fucked up. Rightly so with all this media, government, and religious crap going on. Not to mention 15 years of taking care of a PVS daughter/wife.

Bloke
03-31-2005, 06:01 AM
When I mentioned Jesusā?? name, Terri again laughed out loud.

KrAzyXtianLawyer: Jesus.
Terri_S_113: lol
KrAzyXtianLawyer: OMG AFFIDAVIT

Anyway, every statement in this affidavit is opinion, and by motherfucking definition can't be disproven. No one's going to charge her with perjury because how the fuck can you prove any of the meaty parts of this didn't happen? This is sleazy lawyer tomfoolery with a twist of down-home religious wackiness.

Torog
03-31-2005, 01:22 PM
sorry ol pal but i must say
how the hell she know she wasnt trying to say" i want to die"
end this misery please
im sure hoping they honor my wish to let me go if im a veggy

and that talking and luaghing with her part,is silly shit to me ,the chick cant talk or luagh,and light will make anyones eyes respond
even people whos not conscious,so that means nothing

sadly this story is not about one person
just this one is newsworthy to so many
what about all the people such as the old lady that laid in a nursing home in hamlin WV for ten days no food no water,and died cuase her family said dont feed her,nobody cared cuase nobody cares about you if you cant hire lawyers
she wasnt some fancy ass family member but just some used up thrown out old lady that her family stuck in a home to die .

im sick of that being news,
tragic as it is they should honor her wish,i know her family says she didnt say it,her husbands a dick, but only he knows what she told him
can we say polygraph?
soduim penathol?
get to the truth and be done with it
peace
Howdy NWM,

Well..you may be right..but in my estimation..this is a question of one being euthanized because of a lack of quality of life. Who decides that one's life is not worth living ? I'd be willing to bet..that some would feel my life ain't worth living..because I'm disabled and poor,with little,if any,hope of improvement..if I had a stroke,God forbid,and couldn't swallow or speak..I'd be in serious trouble..if left up to the current culture of death. This is a fight for all of us,who are disabled or unable to care for themselves..not just for this one case..this is a societal question,as well. My personal belief,is that I want to stay alive as long as I can..if there's work left to be done,for God. When I'm so far gone,that I can no longer be of use to God here,I hope and pray,that He will call me home.

I long for Terri's suffering to end,but I think that God still needs her here,in order for us to try and learn valuable lessons as a society..hopefully-the least among which,will be to err on the side of Life.

Have a good one :)