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[395Buds]

i had my mother and my baby just in the bathroom with normal bathroom light and she wasnt doind to good maybe you guys can check these out for me, thankyou very much. under Verilux® 4' T8 & T12 Fluorescent Grow Lamps - VERILUX T12 F40W SUN

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[headshake]

fill out the troubleshooting form in my sig.

-shake

[395Buds]

whats that im new to this sorry

[395Buds]

What is your experience level? (first timer, novice, experienced...)
1st

Your Equipment:
.1) Type and wattage of lights. (2) 40watt flourescent
.2) Distance from tops? 4inch
.3) Reflector type? box
.4) Is there a consistent fresh air supply? no
.5) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan? no
.6) What are the bulb wattages, kelvin ratings, and schedule? 40,18hrs
.7) Specific brand and type of soil; ocean floor
.8) Size of container; 3 gallon
.9) Did you use peat pucks (or similar) to root clones or germinate seedlings?;

Your nutrients and water:
10) Source of water? (tap, bottled or filtered) What's it's ph before adjusting?; tap, un filtered.
11) Method of checking water ph. (ph pen, test strips, aquarium test kit...); have not checked it
12) Method of adjusting water ph. (phosphoric acid, white vinegar, hydrated lime, PH Up...);
13) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule. Organicare
N-P-K
6-6-5+8% Ca, 1/2oz per gal

14) How often are you watering between feedings, and how much per watering? water everyother day about 3 plastic party cups
15) Any additives or tea's? (Superthrive, CalMag, molasses, Mother's Earth...); No
16) Are your ph levels stable, or do they fluctuate? havent checked them
17) What is your ingoing water's ph? ...your runoff ph? havnt checked
18) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you spray? no
Your growroom:
19) Indoors or outdoors? garage
20) What size of closet, room or hut? 10x10
21) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? not sure
22) Have you seen signs of insects in the growroom? no, I keep a close eye

Your strain:
23) What strain are you growing? (Indica dominate or Sativa dom?) og kush24) From seeds or clones? This particular is from seed
25) Is this an autoflower strain? i dont know

[carinia]

You have to fill out the form completely. How often are you fertilizing? You def. need to check your ph at all stops (before nutes, after nutes, runoff).

When you water every other day are the pots dry? IMO, first glance, moisture stress?

[395Buds]

it seems little moist but not dry

[395Buds]

the ph before out of my tap was arund 7.8 and after around 7.6 i used strips i know there not to accurate, water run out was discolored dont know if this help, i just need help immeditley my plant is getting worse and dien

[irydyum]

More light. The light you are running is adequate to sustain a plant of maybe one foot tall. That plant in the 3 gallon looks to be much more than that. Only the two top leaves are getting usable light, so the bottom is giving up on ya.

Do you have hydrocorals mixed in your soil as well? Also, get some kind of air circulation for them. Even if it's a dollar store fan, they need something to replace the air.

More light. I just wanted to make sure I said that again. More light, then work on the rest or it will all be in vein anyways.

[LOC NAR on probation]

PH is King. It is a must. I don't know how anyone gets by without keeping it in check. I was going to say maybe my bro but even he can't make it to the finish line because he won't PH. Starts good and falls apart.

At first it looks just like what we went through with thrips. But you say no bugs.
Yes you need more light but I think between PH and heat you don't stand a chance. Get those under control and see if they come around.

[395Buds]

thanks im going to get some air circulation in today, and as the light will shop lights work the yellow square ones? because i cant get any 400,600,1000 for maybe another month and i cant let her die.....thanks again for your adivise

i know this may all be common sense to you all, sorry im a noob:/

[395Buds]

theres some Hydroton Hydroponic Grow Rocks mixed in there i got this plant from some one moving and had to get rid of her, all i know is she was under a 400 her whole life

[carinia]

Hyrdoton mixed with soil? Im not sure how that would work! Hydroton is generally a hydroponic medium, not to be used with soil.
If its been under a 400 all its life Im sure that shop light would seem puuuuuuuny. Youll def need more light than what you have now. If you have it under 80 watts of shop light.. Im assuming its a 4 ft wide fixture, and then youre only looking at 20 w a square foot, and the general minimum is 50w. And thats the newbie way to figure it. Bump it up another 3 fixtures and youll be doing alright, make sure the light is within a couple inches from the plant top. Or invest in some CFLs and fixtures. Look at the lighting forum to figure out what would work best with your financial situation right now. :)

[jonnychimpo]

dude if you want to go cheap on lighting then get yourself to homedepo and get your self one of them stand lights as so ( 1200 Watt Oval Twin Head Halogen Worklight - L-5302HD at The Home Depot (http://www.homedepot.com/Lighting-Fans-Worklights/h_d1/N-5yc1vZ1xrkZaqn9/R-100567429/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053) ) they have some that are 1100watts to 1400 watts and they work great for the time being like said before get the lighting then work on the air circulation

[irydyum]

Was that seriously your lighting advice chimp? Please tell me that was a joke.

[jonnychimpo]

no im not joking i have two 750watt diagnally facing upwards in my room but for my main lighting i have a 1200w mh. each one of those lights give out 2000 lumens plus or minus but yeah im for real it is the cheap way to go

[jonnychimpo]

irydyum im not saying to leave the lights on the stand they have holes to where you can hang them all i am making is a suggestion and i am not giving advise to anyone and if you havent used these lights dont imply that they dont work or they are no good for any groing i only use them during my flowering but all in all they are not bad so please dont knock it untill you try it.

[headshake]

irydyum im not saying to leave the lights on the stand they have holes to where you can hang them all i am making is a suggestion and i am not giving advise to anyone and if you havent used these lights dont imply that they dont work or they are no good for any groing i only use them during my flowering but all in all they are not bad so please dont knock it untill you try it.

you got some pics to back up this advice?

halogen lights are worthless for growing. they don't put out much light and produce a bunch of heat. it might keep the plant alive with minimal growth. that joke cost $55! wtf? do you know how many CFLs with the hardware to mount them you can get for $55?

you can get a 4 or 5 light vanity bar, the Y splitters to match and the eight to 10 bulbs you need for around that price (give or take depending on what you actually find at the store).



395, did you pre-soak the hydroton? it's probably not a good idea to mix it with your soil. hydrton is notorious for having pH problems. you might want to consider something different. you can mix in 2/3 potting soil with 1/3 perlite if you need to improve aeration and drainage.

like LOC said, pH is paramount. get a way to test it. you can get a freshwater aquarium kit for ~$6, or a digital pH pen for ~$25.

good growing!


-shake

-shake

[395Buds]

thanks those hydro's were in the soil when i bought her so im guessing i should take them out?

just got back from buying 2shop lights just got done setting them up and jumped on the forumn.....



you got some pics to back up this advice?

halogen lights are worthless for growing. they don't put out much light and produce a bunch of heat. it might keep the plant alive with minimal growth. that joke cost $55! wtf? do you know how many CFLs with the hardware to mount them you can get for $55?

you can get a 4 or 5 light vanity bar, the Y splitters to match and the eight to 10 bulbs you need for around that price (give or take depending on what you actually find at the store).



395, did you pre-soak the hydroton? it's probably not a good idea to mix it with your soil. hydrton is notorious for having pH problems. you might want to consider something different. you can mix in 2/3 potting soil with 1/3 perlite if you need to improve aeration and drainage.

like LOC said, pH is paramount. get a way to test it. you can get a freshwater aquarium kit for ~$6, or a digital pH pen for ~$25.

good growing!


-shake

-shake

[jonnychimpo]

as previously stated they are side lighting and yes they do put out some heat and they do put out plenty of lighting for the purpose that they are serving as yes i will get pics or video of my room to show you or anyone and no there not being used yet because my plants are only in the second week of vegitation. cfls here range here from 10 to 15 each so mabye much cheaper there. those lights are better than you think but i guess it depends on the persons opinion ive never grown a plant with them alone i've always used a metal halide to grow and just started using the halogen two years ago and they havent failed me yet but as i stated before its not advise just my opinion and i will get some pics up soon. (im not here to debate subjects nor to give advise just opinions)

[irydyum]

dude if you want to go cheap on lighting then get yourself to homedepo and get your self one of them stand lights

That sounds a lot like advice, and not an opinion to me. Like Shake said, you halogens may be working fine how you are using them, but they are about the most inefficient use of power because most of the energy dissipated is in the form of heat rather than light.

1200w metal halide? Is that 2 600s or one light?

[jonnychimpo]

irydyum your right reading it does sound like advise but was meant to be my opinion and also i have three m400w mh in my growroom

[busybee]

no im not joking i have two 750watt diagnally facing upwards in my room but for my main lighting i have a 1200w mh. each one of those lights give out 2000 lumens plus or minus but yeah im for real it is the cheap way to go

lumens is a measurement of how we see light-nothing to do with plants,sorry mate!!

[irydyum]

I don't even understand your logic busybee. Instead of just refuting the information, how about you provide an explanation of what we should be talking about then. If it isn't lumens, then what should we be caring about in light selection?

It has always been my understanding that lumens are the measurement of the power of light at a given distance. This would directly relate to plants because of the inverse square law. It says that: Intensity=light output/distance^2. (light output being measured in lumens, and intensity is power available) So, the further away your plants are from the source, the less energy they receive. Less energy would equate to less growth. Pretty important to know.

I believe that the discussion of lumens is very pertinent to growing plants indoors because science and experience have taught us that there is a minimum amount of lumens that cannabis will require to thrive in an indoor environment.

[irydyum]

After thinking more about what you said, were you trying to say that PAR watts should be considered and not lumens? If so, I understand, I just don't agree that lumens have NOTHING to do with plant growth. It is a measurement that is readily available on all lights, and applied to growing, it's an easy system to figure out how much light is enough light.

We were mentioning how halogens were not efficient sources of light so PAR wattage is a valid discussion. However, you could have provided a little more than just "sorry mate".

[busybee]

fair play,so why havent you asked jonny how far the lights are from the plants?

[irydyum]

Because I watched his video and saw the setup.

[busybee]

Because I watched his video and saw the setup.my apologies irydyum,i should pay more attention.i'll stop being an asshole now!:thumbsup: