Obama cracking down

[allinat420]

I am an Obama lover...

But it really seems since he became pres the feds are really cracking down way more than when bush was pres.

I heard helicopters this year are way more active in humbolt, more grows are being busted than any year in last 6 years.

Indoor busts..san francisco sunset has had 6 busts in last 6 months...that is in sunset alone.

I think feds are being quiet about it..but if you ask around we are in midst of major crackdown...something we havent seen in years.

I think bush was so focused on terrorism he backed off of growers...helicopters were being put to other uses...plus you may be seeing those stimula dollars at work on pot busts...

Just weird that feds are cracking down so hard recently in cali..even in state budget crisis.

I still love Obama..but i think the federal deparments are working harder..doing there jobs better for botter or for worse.

[headshake]

and why exaclty do you love obama?

-shake

[allinat420]

I LOVE Obama cuz he is so cool.

I am a berkeley liberal at heart.

And i like to see those fed guys (in other departments) get the whip cracked and have to work for their money. I like those guys getting biatch smacked and their asses whacked.

And on our side..Obama is driving up prices..anyone notices prices are going up? so even their is a bright side for the big commercial growers atleast.

So I still love obama. its hard to find someone who doesnt in these parts.

[TC42o]

Ever think that what he says might be for show? Judge him by his policies actions, not by what he says he supports.

[headshake]

Ever think that what he says might be for show? Judge him by his policies actions, not by what he says he supports.

yeah, what he said.

have you ever noticed that he's not that eloquent? he's good at reading off the teleprompter, but if you listen to him without it it's full of "uhs".


-shake

[justanotherbozo]

i guess you're gettin' what you deserve then dude!

man, people like you make me sick! ...it's morons who vote for someone
because 'they're so cool' that have this country in this mess!

you've been swallowing that 'liberal' puke so long, you believe it!

what people like you don't ever understand is that that kind of liberalism
is tantamount to socialism! ...and we don't want any!


I am an Obama lover...

But it really seems since he became pres the feds are really cracking down way more than when bush was pres.

I heard helicopters this year are way more active in humbolt, more grows are being busted than any year in last 6 years.

Indoor busts..san francisco sunset has had 6 busts in last 6 months...that is in sunset alone.

I think feds are being quiet about it..but if you ask around we are in midst of major crackdown...something we havent seen in years.

I think bush was so focused on terrorism he backed off of growers...helicopters were being put to other uses...plus you may be seeing those stimula dollars at work on pot busts...

Just weird that feds are cracking down so hard recently in cali..even in state budget crisis.

I still love Obama..but i think the federal deparments are working harder..doing there jobs better for botter or for worse.

[justanotherbozo]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to headshake again.

[reefdiver]

I LOVE Obama cuz he is so cool.

Can't argue with that logic. :confused:

As an admitted lib you shouldn't be surprised to notice the controlling nature of a pseudo Marxist. ;)

[eastbaygordo]

Bozo, you are deluding yourself. There is no socialism happening that hasn't already happened. Medicare, VA, Social Security already exist. I personally need someone to help me the middle class dude afford insurance for myself and family. There is no reason we can't do this, we pissed away how much money on Iraq yet you bitch about spending money to help Americans? What about all the money we spent on Wall Street. I'm sorry but politically I disagree with you.

Republicans HATE you because what you do yet you have a problem with the guy who told the DEA to back off the states? I heard medical grows were being left alone, it the dirty gang bang beaner gangsters that are getting busted.




i guess you're gettin' what you deserve then dude!

man, people like you make me sick! ...it's morons who vote for someone
because 'they're so cool' that have this country in this mess!

you've been swallowing that 'liberal' puke so long, you believe it!

what people like you don't ever understand is that that kind of liberalism
is tantamount to socialism! ...and we don't want any!

[medpotcrisis]

Marijuana/Stoners Inc â?? DOES NOT EQUAL â?? Medical Marijuana

Prop 215 doesn't really talk about dispensaries/cannabis clubs/pot stores/drug dealers acting as care... so they've fallen under a VERY grey area - tolerated as a "necessary" component of medical marijuana in California, but most of these places are nothing more than drug dealers taking advantage of their relative free pass and the captive audience of the patients. So effectively, there is no real way to distinguish between pot growing for medical use or pot growing for traditional 'black market' sales. I'd argue that until the pot gets into the hands of the actual patients, it's ALL THE SAME. The patient's half of the transaction (any transaction) IS FULLY LEGAL. The seller (unless their actual caregiver) is not legal (but the closer to the patient the transaction is, the more likely it is to be overlooked in practice and considered ok).

Now, it's hard to believe that it's been a year since our esteemed Attorney General Jerry Brown issued his guidelines for Medical Marijuana (primarily because he's done little to nothing to actually enforce those guidelines) but as of August 2008, we basically had a directive from the top law enforcement official in the State of California on what would constitute a LEGAL marijuana distribution system for medical use. These guidelines are absolutely wonderful and will do much to help correct the many problems that Medical Marijuana faces in California.

Unfortunately, Jerry needs to grow a pair (especially if he's interested in running for Governor) and begin to enforce these rules... or better yet, just set a future date - say January 1, 2010, at which time the rules would go into effect and any operating MMJ Dispensaries/Pot Clubs/Etc at that time would be then checked out and certified as complying (if so).... This would give current clubs ample time to work on meeting the new requirements before they would go into effect. Any owners/operators who did not wish to comply could simply leave the business before the cut-off date and they would be allowed to do so without fear of future state investigation or retribution. Coupled with any new revenue bills that might come into play on the taxation of medical marijuana sales, a Jan 1, 2010 date makes sense and would allow those compassionate groups that choose to invest in the future of MMJ in California to begin collecting those taxes as appropriate and have a clean break from the past.

[headshake]

Bozo, you are deluding yourself. There is no socialism happening that hasn't already happened. Medicare, VA, Social Security already exist. I personally need someone to help me the middle class dude afford insurance for myself and family. There is no reason we can't do this, we pissed away how much money on Iraq yet you bitch about spending money to help Americans? What about all the money we spent on Wall Street. I'm sorry but politically I disagree with you.

Republicans HATE you because what you do yet you have a problem with the guy who told the DEA to back off the states? I heard medical grows were being left alone, it the dirty gang bang beaner gangsters that are getting busted.

the DEA just raided two dispensaries four days ago. the link (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/08/dea-fbi-irs-raids-two-westside-pot-dispensaries-shoots-a-dog.html) is here.

keep believing everything politicians tell you. can i have another spoon ful please? george bush said he wouldn't mess with state mmj laws either. that happened!

how is medicare or ss socialist? the va is for veterans, that's a totally different ballgame.

now the govt owning stock in private corporations is socialistic. aig, gm, and many different banks. not to mention they control fannie mae and freddie mac who own about 80% of all mortgages in this country. that's socialism.


-shake

[justanotherbozo]

lol, again we waste our time shake, sadly, the cloud of kool-aid is
too dense.

"The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions,
that I wish it always to be kept alive."
Thomas Jefferson


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and to protect its free expression should be our first object."
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the future of every nation. The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world; it is
God's gift to humanity."
George W. Bush


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for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."
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Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take but as for me; give me
liberty or give me death!"
Patrick Henry


"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, we shall pay any price, bear any
burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, to assure the
survival and success of liberty."
John F. Kennedy



the DEA just raided two dispensaries four days ago. the link (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/08/dea-fbi-irs-raids-two-westside-pot-dispensaries-shoots-a-dog.html) is here.

keep believing everything politicians tell you. can i have another spoon ful please? george bush said he wouldn't mess with state mmj laws either. that happened!

how is medicare or ss socialist? the va is for veterans, that's a totally different ballgame.

now the govt owning stock in private corporations is socialistic. aig, gm, and many different banks. not to mention they control fannie mae and freddie mac who own about 80% of all mortgages in this country. that's socialism.


-shake

[bubbleboy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljAUbtuqYdU&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ronpaulforums.com%2Fshowthre ad.php%3Ft%3D205681&feature=player_embedded

[carinia]

"how is medicare or ss socialist? the va is for veterans, that's a totally different ballgame."

Actually... social security, va, medi are socialistic. Socialism as in, the spread of wealth, goods, and services for the equality of the masses.

"now the govt owning stock in private corporations is socialistic. aig, gm, and many different banks. not to mention they control fannie mae and freddie mac who own about 80% of all mortgages in this country. that's socialism."

Thats economic Fascism, which is rampant in America. Also, the government has taken "economic measures" to control stock in these corporations as a result of to much leniency (aka repeals of many financially important laws such as glass steagall) in previous years, mostly by republican hands.

Sorry, im kind of a liberal but I can't stand when people label everything as socialism like its a horrible disease without understanding what they're saying.

[headshake]

"how is medicare or ss socialist? the va is for veterans, that's a totally different ballgame."

Actually... social security, va, medi are socialistic. Socialism as in, the spread of wealth, goods, and services for the equality of the masses.

"now the govt owning stock in private corporations is socialistic. aig, gm, and many different banks. not to mention they control fannie mae and freddie mac who own about 80% of all mortgages in this country. that's socialism."

Thats economic Fascism, which is rampant in America. Also, the government has taken "economic measures" to control stock in these corporations as a result of to much leniency (aka repeals of many financially important laws such as glass steagall) in previous years, mostly by republican hands.

Sorry, im kind of a liberal but I can't stand when people label everything as socialism like its a horrible disease without understanding what they're saying.

what did i label socialism? you are the one labeling them socialistic.

"socialism-a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole."

so you tell me how the va, ss and medicare are socialistic? the community doesn't own anything. i would label them as communism (which socialism can and often leads to).

"(in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles."

fascism entails a dictator and often involves nationalism and racism.


-shake

[MPLSweedman]

that obama sticker on your car might as well say I VOTED TO KILL THE ECONOMY

thanks!:thumbsup:

[humboldtlocal]

I am an Obama lover...

But it really seems since he became pres the feds are really cracking down way more than when bush was pres.

I heard helicopters this year are way more active in humbolt, more grows are being busted than any year in last 6 years.

Indoor busts..san francisco sunset has had 6 busts in last 6 months...that is in sunset alone.

I think feds are being quiet about it..but if you ask around we are in midst of major crackdown...something we havent seen in years.

I think bush was so focused on terrorism he backed off of growers...helicopters were being put to other uses...plus you may be seeing those stimula dollars at work on pot busts...

Just weird that feds are cracking down so hard recently in cali..even in state budget crisis.

I still love Obama..but i think the federal deparments are working harder..doing there jobs better for botter or for worse.

Actually we are getting less copters in Humboldt than ever. In Mendo they have had it pretty rough the last few years but Humboldt is one of the safest places to grow these days. CAMP only goes after large mexi grows on BLM, timber company land , and state and national parks in Humboldt. They are not concerned with people growing on their own private property. You would have to be going huge to even get noticed by them around here. That being said I wouldn't recommend any one moving here just to grow weed. These neighborhoods don't exactly roll out the welcome wagon for new people trying to get in on the gold rush.

[MrKatt420]

NCF,
I am far right from O'bama.
Much of what I would say, has been said already.
I voted, and supported Ron Paul, KNOWING he wouldnt win, cause of the media blackout of him.
And the other night I watched zeitgeist, it was a slap in the face.
A real awakener,,
Cyber Nation:rasta:
Mr K@

[the image reaper]

had Ron Paul been subjected to a " media blackout ", he'd have gotten a lot more votes ! :S2:

[ForgetClassC]

I don't think he's being very professional, I saw a TBS commercial with George Lopez and guess who was recommending to watch this? Obama.....why do you need the Prez to do commercials, is he even feeling the economic shit hole that we are in so hard that he needs to do commercials? He should be taking shit serious, such as legalizing MJ. Not only coming from a stoner, but someone that doesnt want to grow up leaching for money to feed my kids, even though I have a good job. Legalizing MJ would help the gas problems, solve renewable resource problems such as the depletion of trees due to construction purposes, and it would help with the weight problem that America is known for. Hemp seed oil is healthier than veg oil, and has more nutritional value than fish oil, which we have already realized is good for us.


If I lost anyone or got something mixed up, my bad, I'm baked.....:D

[rudy2010]

Need to step in carefully here. I did get busted this year by a forest ranger in the national forest. I was not growing I was just driving through to get to my private property. I am on a island of land surrounded by the national forest. I have to drive through 10 miles of national to get to my gate and sanctuary. I used to wave to the rangers and try to be friendly but now I just avoid eye contact. I was driving to my place and the ranger came roaring up behind me. I pulled over to let him pass and he stopped. He said the reason he stopped was because he smelled marijuana and was going to search my truck. This was a lie since I had not been smoking and my truck smells like my dogs. Anyway he took 80 grams I had and gave me a ticket. He said my license was invalid because we were on federal land. I let him know that the president had indicated that the federal government was going to leave people alone if they were legal in the state. He said if I was going to argue he would take me directly to jail in San Francisco. So I said I was not arguing I was just telling him what I heard and go ahead and give me the ticket. I had to go to federal court in Eureka 350 miles away not SF which is 50 miles away. Now I have to stay out of trouble for 3 more months and I will have no record. I hired a lawyer ($1100) to get that deal.

I saw several helicopters early in June which is unusual but I have seen few choppers since. That is unusual in my area. I usually see a heli once a day. I wear cammo and run for cover even though I have my license and it is "supposed" to be legal.

I believe the feds were just pissed about what obama had to say so they just took it upon themselves to get mean. I don't count the busts against the cartels as having any meaning. They are totally illegal. The only purpose they serve is to distract the choppers from my grow.

[2stoned2ride]

i guess you're gettin' what you deserve then dude!

man, people like you make me sick! ...it's morons who vote for someone
because 'they're so cool' that have this country in this mess!

you've been swallowing that 'liberal' puke so long, you believe it!

what people like you don't ever understand is that that kind of liberalism
is tantamount to socialism! ...and we don't want any!

Thank you someone agrees with me! Obama sucks. McCain ftw dude he would have promoted war in Iraq, not war on drugs

[boaz]

Actually we are getting less copters in Humboldt than ever. In Mendo they have had it pretty rough the last few years but Humboldt is one of the safest places to grow these days. CAMP only goes after large mexi grows on BLM, timber company land , and state and national parks in Humboldt. They are not concerned with people growing on their own private property. You would have to be going huge to even get noticed by them around here. . .



I saw several helicopters early in June which is unusual but I have seen few choppers since. That is unusual in my area. I usually see a heli once a day. I wear cammo and run for cover even though I have my license and it is "supposed" to be legal.

I believe the feds were just pissed about what obama had to say so they just took it upon themselves to get mean. I don't count the busts against the cartels as having any meaning. They are totally illegal. The only purpose they serve is to distract the choppers from my grow.

:greenthumb: that sounds like good news. how is september going??


. . .I am on a island of land surrounded by the national forest. . . .

:cool: i want to live in nor cal soo bad. not just to grow, either, i just dig that area, it is beautiful up in them mountains.

hope the summer ended with peace and rain and no helo's from hell. :D :stoned:

[JayJayW]

that obama sticker on your car might as well say I VOTED TO KILL THE ECONOMY

thanks!:thumbsup:

Yeah, I can't believe people gave in to his bullshit. Never the less I like Obama as a president.

[scrumby]

Do you people not realize that Obama was handed an economy that was perched on the side of a mountain that GW Bush was pissing all over?

[jakester]

Anyone who thinks for a second that voting another senator into the white house is a recipe for change has their heads so far up the media's ass that they can't see their own collective nose. Private jail contractors are one of the biggest growth sectors right now. If you want to make money hand over fist, find the corporations that build jails and invest. They NEED to fill those jails. We are allowing the government to run rampant and grow beyond what is healthy for it's population. They will eventually create a simpler way to tier society and make more profit off the lowest, off the grid sector. This will lead to prison cities. Everyone of you who voted rather than starting a grass roots revolution to reduce the power of the federal government will have paid for your own incarceration by white guilt. Congratulations. You are all arguing over right VS left while the hands of the beast juggle you into it's mouth.

Big f-ing mistake.

It's been 1984 for a while. Wake the hell up.

[the image reaper]

bullshit ... quadrupling the national debt in 4 months, was NOT Bush's doing ... how do you like your CHANGE now ? ... still got a job ? ... wait until next year, when that $7 trillion dollars, that got thrown out into the economy, comes back as INFLATION ... then you 'Obama-lovers' can pay $20 for a loaf of bread, I guess you'll love that CHANGE ... but, so much of Obama's support is welfare-based, I suppose they'll get their bread, for free, anyway ... hey, did any of you ever figure out where all those billions of 'stimulus' money went ? ... don't feel bad, it seems Obama's government doesn't know where it went, either :wtf: ... and, Bush didn't have a flock of 'czars' to do his dirty work, either :wtf:

[rudy2010]

Thanks Boaz for the kind words. I am hoping someone mellow will get the 20 acres next to me. So we still have more room in Nor Ca for legal grows. Anyway the season is still on for me for at least 1 more month. I still have to pump water to keep up with the current triple digit temps.

I just hope some of the directives come down from above specifying that folks who are legal in the state should be left alone. At least the choppers are only funded until about mid October then they stop flying.

Of course being surrounded by the national forest is a good thing. We have huge amounts of wild life and about 1 million trees on our property.:smokin:

[johnnyh]

there has been no change what so ever. he consists of rhetoric and nothing more. he comes up with these great ideas but never says how they are going to happen. ron paul is where its at.

[eastbaygordo]

No dipshit, it wasn't Obama. The Bush administration was trying to keep the house of cards upright until after Bush was gone and it just blew up in their faces.
Now douchebag republicans worry about the deficit? Where were you for the last 8 years? Bush's unfunded prescription drug benefit will cost over 7 Trillion dollars. The Goldman-Sachs/Treasury Dept is bailing out everyone and their sister except the little guy, we get ass raped. We need to focus anger on greedy Wall Street and Too Big to Fail corporations that don't give a fuck about us.




bullshit ... quadrupling the national debt in 4 months, was NOT Bush's doing ... how do you like your CHANGE now ? ... still got a job ? ... wait until next year, when that $7 trillion dollars, that got thrown out into the economy, comes back as INFLATION ... then you 'Obama-lovers' can pay $20 for a loaf of bread, I guess you'll love that CHANGE ... but, so much of Obama's support is welfare-based, I suppose they'll get their bread, for free, anyway ... hey, did any of you ever figure out where all those billions of 'stimulus' money went ? ... don't feel bad, it seems Obama's government doesn't know where it went, either :wtf: ... and, Bush didn't have a flock of 'czars' to do his dirty work, either :wtf:

[the image reaper]

No dipshit, it wasn't Obama. The Bush administration was trying to keep the house of cards upright until after Bush was gone and it just blew up in their faces.
Now douchebag republicans worry about the deficit? Where were you for the last 8 years? Bush's unfunded prescription drug benefit will cost over 7 Trillion dollars. The Goldman-Sachs/Treasury Dept is bailing out everyone and their sister except the little guy, we get ass raped. We need to focus anger on greedy Wall Street and Too Big to Fail corporations that don't give a fuck about us.

try cleaning up your language, and keep your 'dipshit' comments to yourself, punk

[jakester]

It doesn't matter which hand is wearing you, you are still a puppet.

[boaz]

Thanks Boaz for the kind words. I am hoping someone mellow will get the 20 acres next to me. So we still have more room in Nor Ca for legal grows. Anyway the season is still on for me for at least 1 more month. I still have to pump water to keep up with the current triple digit temps.

I just hope some of the directives come down from above specifying that folks who are legal in the state should be left alone. At least the choppers are only funded until about mid October then they stop flying.

Of course being surrounded by the national forest is a good thing. We have huge amounts of wild life and about 1 million trees on our property.:smokin:

20 acres in the California forest sounds like heaven to me. and y'all sound like ideal neighbors. :cool: hmmmmm . . . :detective1: i'm sure i will be thinking about that. thanks for tip and the kind words, too.

[Micsog]

i don't believe in government but if it's necessary i think only poor ass old farmers should be able to hold office only someone who has had barely anything their whole life and still worked hard for almost nothing no one else qualifies in my opinion

[senorx12562]

Marijuana/Stoners Inc â?? DOES NOT EQUAL â?? Medical Marijuana

Prop 215 doesn't really talk about dispensaries/cannabis clubs/pot stores/drug dealers acting as care... so they've fallen under a VERY grey area - tolerated as a "necessary" component of medical marijuana in California, but most of these places are nothing more than drug dealers taking advantage of their relative free pass and the captive audience of the patients. So effectively, there is no real way to distinguish between pot growing for medical use or pot growing for traditional 'black market' sales. I'd argue that until the pot gets into the hands of the actual patients, it's ALL THE SAME. The patient's half of the transaction (any transaction) IS FULLY LEGAL. The seller (unless their actual caregiver) is not legal (but the closer to the patient the transaction is, the more likely it is to be overlooked in practice and considered ok).

Now, it's hard to believe that it's been a year since our esteemed Attorney General Jerry Brown issued his guidelines for Medical Marijuana (primarily because he's done little to nothing to actually enforce those guidelines) but as of August 2008, we basically had a directive from the top law enforcement official in the State of California on what would constitute a LEGAL marijuana distribution system for medical use. These guidelines are absolutely wonderful and will do much to help correct the many problems that Medical Marijuana faces in California.

Unfortunately, Jerry needs to grow a pair (especially if he's interested in running for Governor) and begin to enforce these rules... or better yet, just set a future date - say January 1, 2010, at which time the rules would go into effect and any operating MMJ Dispensaries/Pot Clubs/Etc at that time would be then checked out and certified as complying (if so).... This would give current clubs ample time to work on meeting the new requirements before they would go into effect. Any owners/operators who did not wish to comply could simply leave the business before the cut-off date and they would be allowed to do so without fear of future state investigation or retribution. Coupled with any new revenue bills that might come into play on the taxation of medical marijuana sales, a Jan 1, 2010 date makes sense and would allow those compassionate groups that choose to invest in the future of MMJ in California to begin collecting those taxes as appropriate and have a clean break from the past.
You know, after it was disclosed that Clinton had smoked, but didn't inhale, it was disclosed that Jerry Brown had also tried mj, but didn't exhale. May be an explanation in there somewhere.

[ShastaCoMan]

i always hate these kinds of discussions. everyone gets so worked up.

i am and have been a staunch republican all of my life, and i personally thought that the bushes did a great job.

what i find sort of funny is all of these democrates jumped up and down and did everything they had to to get obama in the whitehouse, and now?......obamas approval rating among his own people has dropped DRAMATICALLY LOW, not to mention his national approval rating is lower right now than any other president in history ( from CNN, a democratic news channel). im VERY suprised that someone hasnt assassinated him yet...OH, i forgot. maybe they havent because obama has spent more on secret service protection than any president in the history of the united states. lets not even mention the fact that it has been proven by docume nt experts ( that used to WORK for the government ) that the so-called "birth certificate" the obama administration released to the public wasnt a true birth certificate at all, but on top of that, its already been proven to be a FORGERY. his own GRANDMOTHER has stated on tape she was PRESENT at his birth in KENYA. kenyas president ( or what ever he is) when asked ON TAPE if he was going to make obamas birth place in kenya a national monument he stated without even skipping a beat that no, they were not because there were already slews of people visiting THE SITE OF OBAMAS BIRTH IN KENYA.

obama was groomed to be president since the beginning. did you know that the democrates anounced years ago they were going to run him for president. even back then there was a controversy about his birthplace. right after the anouncment, the kenyan government actually RAIDED tyhe hospital he was born in.....and the records for the year he was born were CONFISCATED WITHOUT ANY EXPLANATION and never returned.....there are over 3000 pending cases against obama in the united states right now trying to force him to produce the real birth certificate. democrates have already stated its a mute point causae they will keep it tied up in court until his time is up anyway, and after hes out of the whitehouse, what differance whould it make.?

alot of people voted for obama without even taking the time to check him out.

there were slews on african americans, when asked right on the news that said they only voted for obama because he was BLACK. they hadnt ever voted before, but they wanted to do what they could to get the first black man in the whitehouse ( right on CNN)..now thats a REAL smart reason to vote for a president, because hes black

[ForgetClassC]

Again, I haven't read a fully functional-reasonable explaination to why you love Obama. It seems thats how he got elected, because people love him, thats it. People around my way said that they didn't vote for him because he is scary looking, now I know it wasn't for him so it didn't help him be elected, but why the FUCK are people picking the leaders of our country because of how they look? Honestly I didn't fucking vote at all, one because all of my friends are so stuck up in their views that if you release some sort of clue to who you would vote for, they would jump on you. And two because I didn't want some liberal dip shit ruling the country, and I didn't want the lowest member of his graduating class to be ruling the country. I think we need to STOP this fucking party bullshit, STOP this fucking bullshit about 'no they're wrong because they are this' because stopping what other people are doing because of what they are is redundant and not going to get us anywhere. Why the FUCK doesn't the US get its ass out of the fuck-fest and fix itself with a ONE party ONE country presidency. Because if we were running two countries, having 1 or more parties makes sense, but seeing as we are ONE FUCKING COUNTRY we need to get ourselves on ONE FUCKING MAINLINE to fix ourselves.



Now some people are probably like 'NO! we can't do that, then the other people will make all the decisions', NOT IF YOU FUCKING PUT YOUR MINDS TO IT!!!! You need to think about whats good for the country, not whats better then the other persons idea.

I FUCKING HATE POLITICS!

-C

[ForgetClassC]

I'm glad I ended this discussion...........




Politics makes good people show bad parts of themselves, and makes bad people look that much more..........

[palerider7777]

and why exaclty do you love obama?

-shake

it's called brainwashed......:wtf:

[palerider7777]

Can't argue with that logic. :confused:

As an admitted lib you shouldn't be surprised to notice the controlling nature of a pseudo Marxist. ;)

lmao ROFLMAO great!!!

[palerider7777]

Bozo, you are deluding yourself. There is no socialism happening that hasn't already happened. Medicare, VA, Social Security already exist. I personally need someone to help me the middle class dude afford insurance for myself and family. There is no reason we can't do this, we pissed away how much money on Iraq yet you bitch about spending money to help Americans? What about all the money we spent on Wall Street. I'm sorry but politically I disagree with you.

Republicans HATE you because what you do yet you have a problem with the guy who told the DEA to back off the states? I heard medical grows were being left alone, it the dirty gang bang beaner gangsters that are getting busted.

lmao again roflmao,,with that said you call that dude out saying he's "deluding himself" then you go on to talk about repubs as if they were any diffrent than dems?? lmao the jokes on you then cause there both 1 in the same...wake up.

[palerider7777]

Anyone who thinks for a second that voting another senator into the white house is a recipe for change has their heads so far up the media's ass that they can't see their own collective nose. Private jail contractors are one of the biggest growth sectors right now. If you want to make money hand over fist, find the corporations that build jails and invest. They NEED to fill those jails. We are allowing the government to run rampant and grow beyond what is healthy for it's population. They will eventually create a simpler way to tier society and make more profit off the lowest, off the grid sector. This will lead to prison cities. Everyone of you who voted rather than starting a grass roots revolution to reduce the power of the federal government will have paid for your own incarceration by white guilt. Congratulations. You are all arguing over right VS left while the hands of the beast juggle you into it's mouth.

Big f-ing mistake.

It's been 1984 for a while. Wake the hell up.agreed there all owned by the next dems reps all the same.i stopped preaching awhile ago.you can't wake a dead brain up.they will see soon enough.

[Herbiculator]

lmao the jokes on you then cause there both 1 in the same...wake up.

Aye! Two turds. A floater. A sinker. Both bred from the same dirty sphincter.

I think they need flushed. :twocents:

[palerider7777]

Again, I haven't read a fully functional-reasonable explaination to why you love Obama. It seems thats how he got elected, because people love him, thats it. People around my way said that they didn't vote for him because he is scary looking, now I know it wasn't for him so it didn't help him be elected, but why the FUCK are people picking the leaders of our country because of how they look? Honestly I didn't fucking vote at all, one because all of my friends are so stuck up in their views that if you release some sort of clue to who you would vote for, they would jump on you. And two because I didn't want some liberal dip shit ruling the country, and I didn't want the lowest member of his graduating class to be ruling the country. I think we need to STOP this fucking party bullshit, STOP this fucking bullshit about 'no they're wrong because they are this' because stopping what other people are doing because of what they are is redundant and not going to get us anywhere. Why the FUCK doesn't the US get its ass out of the fuck-fest and fix itself with a ONE party ONE country presidency. Because if we were running two countries, having 1 or more parties makes sense, but seeing as we are ONE FUCKING COUNTRY we need to get ourselves on ONE FUCKING MAINLINE to fix ourselves.



Now some people are probably like 'NO! we can't do that, then the other people will make all the decisions', NOT IF YOU FUCKING PUT YOUR MINDS TO IT!!!! You need to think about whats good for the country, not whats better then the other persons idea.

I FUCKING HATE POLITICS!

-C
no i'll tell you why/how he got in office.it's not white guilt,it's been brainwashed into america for the last 30+years.whites are the devil blacks are the smartest,greatest race on the planet.if you even do anything as a white and don't include them you will be labeled as a racist.they have been brainwashing in schools for years not just on the race issues either.

the whole time our gov has been raping us.move to 2008 all the old white guys are painted as demons which infact they were very well being but for a reason.what better way to please the masses lets throw a black man up and everyone will bow to us.seems to be working so far.this guy can still do no wrong,infact most of these obama lovers would even let him bring there fams up on stage and slit there throats and they would still bow to him.

it's been programmed into these people.he has lied about every thing he's said he would do. i mean look at how he treats his own blood does that not tell you anything?long lost brother?? yea fuck you, long lost fam go t hell.grammy? piss off.humm he is always praising muslims talking about how great they are and how they will 1 day have the world? wtf? he claims to be christian? then mocks the bible??? he says muslims are the inventors of it all and has done everything for the human race??wtf really??? lmao and people still bow...

[ForgetClassC]

Believe me the Obama parade has lasted long enough for me to still not give a shit. He was elected by the media, for the media. Being a child of a colonel who is EXTREMELY conservative, I have heard all that can be said about the Obamatrons and all they believe in. He was elected to try and move peoples minds away from the shit whole of a country they were living in, and give them some 'HOPE'.


Now, let me set this part straight.


I DON'T FUCKING LIKE OBAMA, AND I DON'T LIKE MCCAIN. THEY CAN BOTH FUCK THEMSELVES.


Until there is a candidate that thinks about both sides and doesn't go back and forth talking to the people changing shit because this person thinks that person is wrong because they aren't the same as them. FUCK THEM ALL! Until there is a person that is interested in the FUCKING country. Until there is a person that has actually thought out what they are going to say to the FUCKING COUNTRY, not have some schmo fucking writing it for them. FUCK POLITICS!


I guess it's my background but politics makes my blood boil. The fact that people sit around and say that another person's ideas are wrong for the sheer fact that it doesn't benefit them, is retarded, we need people in the house that don't care about themselves and what they can get out of it. And for the most part, I don't feel that being a member of the house should even be a job, it should be like the PTA or something, you do it BECAUSE YOU CARE!!


That's all I have for today.


-C

[palerider7777]

Believe me the Obama parade has lasted long enough for me to still not give a shit. He was elected by the media, for the media. Being a child of a colonel who is EXTREMELY conservative, I have heard all that can be said about the Obamatrons and all they believe in. He was elected to try and move peoples minds away from the shit whole of a country they were living in, and give them some 'HOPE'.


Now, let me set this part straight.


I DON'T FUCKING LIKE OBAMA, AND I DON'T LIKE MCCAIN. THEY CAN BOTH FUCK THEMSELVES.


Until there is a candidate that thinks about both sides and doesn't go back and forth talking to the people changing shit because this person thinks that person is wrong because they aren't the same as them. FUCK THEM ALL! Until there is a person that is interested in the FUCKING country. Until there is a person that has actually thought out what they are going to say to the FUCKING COUNTRY, not have some schmo fucking writing it for them. FUCK POLITICS!


I guess it's my background but politics makes my blood boil. The fact that people sit around and say that another person's ideas are wrong for the sheer fact that it doesn't benefit them, is retarded, we need people in the house that don't care about themselves and what they can get out of it. And for the most part, I don't feel that being a member of the house should even be a job, it should be like the PTA or something, you do it BECAUSE YOU CARE!!


That's all I have for today.


-C
i have never voted in my life,why? cause i was taught to see through the bs from birth.there all 1 in the same they all elect each other.your vote mean squat.name the last time a prez came from the street,a normal american?when has any of them done anything they said they would do? hell most of them on both side are linked in sum way,cuz,bro,uncle so on.i laugh when peeps say lets vote them out or letswrite and let them know whats up.they would just move up the ladder and go some place else.there are no good guy in the system.when they move up in rank you can bet favors are being done.
by the time they make senetor or better there caught up into so much shit they have no choice but to be shady.

the only way to fix this is to wipe the slate clean from bottom to top.other than that they will keep on using us as slaves to the system.people are starting to see what they have been up to.lil by lil over the years they have been stripping away our rights just enough at a time to piss sum people off.but not enough that they go out and demand action.it's made it to the point now where people can see all the harm they have done over the years"im talking about people that use there brains not sheep".

most of americans could give 2 shits as long as they can go to the stores buy what they want and have a place to sleep and watch there tv there golden.

[palerider7777]

ps the only thing i see in all prez's not just obama is not that they did'nt do this or that cause i expect all that.the fault i find with them is there just puppets nothing more.the powers that be look for guys like bush"so called patriot and christain following,obama the black brainwash following,change from what bush"did" need i not remind people all the "bush"bashing obama did.?because he knew the bush effect people grew tired of and bush did that for a reason to usher in the obamanation so to speak.lets make it so bad that when we throw this guy up there people will melt.then we can keep on robbing them blind and they will care less.then obama get in and keeps the bush effect going but at a 10 times higher lvl.and people still bow making up excuess as to why he needs to keep what bush did going.

they like to bypass that when he was running for prez he kept saying i know what needs to be done i have a plan i know i know i know how to fix all this just get me in and all will be a ok.lmao then the very nite he was swore in the whole tune changed in that split sec it went to well theres gunna be along hard road ahead we need to buckle down. fuck all the bail outs you dumb people just allowed to happen with bush.thats not enough now u need to tighten your belts past it's last hole.oh and that tax thing i said i would'nt do forget about that those were just small white lies no worries.i bashed bush for the bail outs but now im gunna quadruple it.

[OrganicRelief]

Personally, I can't stand Obama. He has done nothing for me but hurt the small business man. I own 4 other businesses that have nothing to do with medical marijuana, except my home care business which has now been accepting MCD patients. Since he has stepped into office, I am paying double my electricity bill to save a couple birds in the year 2050 (which we all know wont work any damn ways). I am paying double workers compensation, I will be FORCED to provide health care or pay a fine, REGARDLESS IF THEY ARE FULL TIME OR NOT (WHICH MAKES NO SENSE). And now, $250,000 later 25 years of getting all my family members citizenship LEGALLY, waiting, paying visa fees, etc, EVERYONE ELSE WILL SOON BECOME CITIZEN (FOR FREE AT THAT) AND GUESS WHAT, SOAK UP HEALTH CARE, while us SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS, who make up 70% or more of the economy, soak up the true costs, and all those billionaire companies who are in bed with Obama laugh at us on the way to the bank, WTH?

I don't understand why health care all of sudden became a right? When we first MIGRATED to this country, my parents worked their high tail asses off to make sure I went to private school, had the best education, BECAME A CITIZEN LEGALLY, PAID FOR THEIR OWN HEALTH CARE, and dammit, we love the right to bear arms!

This man has never run a business, never paid anyone, he has been riding on the American Dream train for as long as his butt got sent over here from Indonesia. I can't stand these hidden Muslim agendas, not that I have anything against Muslim's but the fact of the matter is that their Koran proliferates and encourages murder, and martyrdom. His consistent belittling of our War on Terrorism put's our national security at it's weakest point. My point is, if a petition went around to impeach him, I would sign. Regardless of his pathetic help on our medicinal marijuana laws. All he did was go on the news and say "Hey, we're not raiding anymore clubs"...

He is a true egotistical, self-indulging coward who hides behind his teleprompter and tobacco gum stained smile. He read's about himself daily. LOL Who does that? I bet you after he spends all day on the TV, he retreats back into his little White Vacation House, and watches himself with his wife. What a joke. On my dime. I'd rather feed the homeless people then put another cent into that pompous's paycheck out my taxpayer money.

How many takes do you think he does before he put's out his advertisements? I can't turn on the TV without seeing his face. Even when it comes down to taxing my damn soda. I am so sick of him, SICK.

He want's so much change, why doesn't he just give Americans the option of where their tax dollars go? Since everything is on the internet and that is what he's aiming for anyway, why not ALLOW US THE CHOICE whether we want to pay for someone else's health care BEFORE OUR OWN CHILDREN. Why not put it on a voter ballot style tax implementation system. Give me some choices, some boxes or circles I can fill in. If Obama is so gun ho to do this, without the approval of the other party involved 'republicans', why do republicans have to pay for the choice of solely democrats? Why not every enlisted democrat who voted for Obama, YEAH ALL 60,000,000 of you nerds, why don't you get off your ass and give $50 out of every paycheck you get solely for healthcare. THAT WOULD HELP ME, THE SMALL BUSINESS MAN, HELP THE ECONOMY.

The person above states that Obama cares about the middle man... I know many middle men, many top men, many who are crawling from the bottom to the top, like myself.

When he opened up cash for clunkers, HE FORGOT ABOUT THE MIDDLE MAN. He FED THE CORPORATE MAN. The 'owners' of those dealerships that were able to take advantage of this, yep they ate, for a month or two, however long it lasted. But guess what happened, during this time, they crushed the used car salesman. Absolutely crushed'em. Instead of reselling many cars that would have deemed worthy, all cars were totaled. Henceforth, more car dealerships closing. More manufacturers closing, and so many businesses that would have worked on such cars.

It's amazing how blinded people have become just for some free cash...

FREE CAN BE ENSLAVING... DONT BE A SLAVE TO THE SYSTEM.

[BlackSands]

These neighborhoods don't exactly roll out the welcome wagon for new people trying to get in on the gold rush.

I grew up next stop up from Humboldt, and spent a lot of time doing exploring in my teens and early twenties (you know Del Norte, there are three things to do, go out side and explore, stay inside and snort crank, or leave. i opted out of the middle option).

I remember my first time rolling around Shelter Cove and Garberville.... ha ha! It was a little different than say, driving out behind Baywood Country Club...:D

[BlackSands]

obama was groomed to be president since the beginning. did you know that the democrates anounced years ago they were going to run him for president. even back then there was a controversy about his birthplace. right after the anouncment, the kenyan government actually RAIDED tyhe hospital he was born in.....and the records for the year he was born were CONFISCATED WITHOUT ANY EXPLANATION and never returned.....there are over 3000 pending cases against obama in the united states right now trying to force him to produce the real birth certificate. democrates have already stated its a mute point causae they will keep it tied up in court until his time is up anyway, and after hes out of the whitehouse, what differance whould it make.?

alot of people voted for obama without even taking the time to check him out.

there were slews on african americans, when asked right on the news that said they only voted for obama because he was BLACK. they hadnt ever voted before, but they wanted to do what they could to get the first black man in the whitehouse ( right on CNN)..now thats a REAL smart reason to vote for a president, because hes black

Question, ShastaCoMan...


If these people have the power to produce forged birth certs, tie up any judicial hearing over the legitimacy of his birth, and control what major media outlets are saying about said issue, my question is this: What makes you think voting will do a damn bit of good?

[mainegrown]

voting dont do shit for the people but give them a way to think they are in power..
all of the REAL decisions are already made LONG before they ever make their way to us the people.. what do you think all of the tzars oboma put into place were.. people to make the decisions and then make us THINK we made that decision..
imo oboma did make one change we can believe in.. he has FUCKED UP OUR COUNTRY, beyond the pale and probably beyond our ability to overcome as a superpower..
everyone just sell to the asians cause they are the ones that are gonna own your ass soon enough, might as well make something off it.. lamo
sucks to be american
but im proud too, aint that fucked up??
-MG

[ForgetClassC]

I love America, its the government that sucks............

[jtsik330]

The government sucks, they can do whatever they want and we just have to sit back and watch because our votes don't mean shit and even if they did it would still take 10 years to have a damn bill passed. Nothing we post on the forums is going to make a difference so guys RELAX ALITTLE BIT! pack a bowl or something :hippy:

[BlackSands]

The only thing that makes our Government suck is the fact that the majority of us LET the government suck. :mad:

I mean how long have we been using fiat money for? The constitution forbids any state from making anything but gold or silver a legal tender. And we're going on 50 something years now?

You need to educate yourself to emancipate yourself, right? Sadly though, I'm not sure if any college out there would teach this! Ha ha. :thumbsup:

Also, Jefferson (yet again) said it well.

"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."

[ShastaCoMan]

the problem we have is the citizens of the USA are as much as cattle anymore. they move along, moo'ing,chewing their cud,ect and dont really do a damn thing to change anything, and really dont care what happens next. thats why our government has gotten to the point it is. they control everything...you think your "free"?...THATS the big joke. you arent free, not one single bit. the USA is as bad as the sovient union ever was. people are afraid to actually take a stand. anymore, if you stand up and protest the way things are done, or try to take a stand to do something about it ( under our constitution, it is OUR responsibility to stand up and take over if the government gets out of hand) , the government grabs your ass and calls you a terrorist. thats what "homeland security" does.

this country will NOT change until its people finally say they have had enough \of being afraid of the government, and stand up for whats ours. if that takes a literal civil ground war, that thats what it will take. the government, enviromentalists,ect all control the country, right now, "We The People" dont have a damn thing to say about what happens. global warming?...thats one of the biggest hoaxes ever perpetrated. all it is is a way to line the pockets of the politicians and big business. some of the smartest brains in the world (MIT,UCLA,ect) say it isnt CO2, or any other bullshit causing "global warming, its the SUN thats causing it, and natural climate change. the government and big business WANTS you to believe its greenhouse gasses,ect so they can rake in the dough in alternative fuels,alternative this and alternative that.


i fully think that within our lifetimes, we will see a civil war on our own soil and a government change.

mark my words.

[RobPA]

I am an Obama lover...

But it really seems since he became pres the feds are really cracking down way more than when bush was pres.

I heard helicopters this year are way more active in humbolt, more grows are being busted than any year in last 6 years.

Indoor busts..san francisco sunset has had 6 busts in last 6 months...that is in sunset alone.

I think feds are being quiet about it..but if you ask around we are in midst of major crackdown...something we havent seen in years.

I think bush was so focused on terrorism he backed off of growers...helicopters were being put to other uses...plus you may be seeing those stimula dollars at work on pot busts...

Just weird that feds are cracking down so hard recently in cali..even in state budget crisis.

I still love Obama..but i think the federal deparments are working harder..doing there jobs better for botter or for worse.


What a fuckin' moron, sorry man this has to be one of the most idiotic post's I have ever seen.

[ShastaCoMan]

hey shake

just noticed your Bob Ross avatar.....used to love watchin him......you mention bob ross and people say "who?"

[palerider7777]

Personally, I can't stand Obama. He has done nothing for me but hurt the small business man. I own 4 other businesses that have nothing to do with medical marijuana, except my home care business which has now been accepting MCD patients. Since he has stepped into office, I am paying double my electricity bill to save a couple birds in the year 2050 (which we all know wont work any damn ways). I am paying double workers compensation, I will be FORCED to provide health care or pay a fine, REGARDLESS IF THEY ARE FULL TIME OR NOT (WHICH MAKES NO SENSE). And now, $250,000 later 25 years of getting all my family members citizenship LEGALLY, waiting, paying visa fees, etc, EVERYONE ELSE WILL SOON BECOME CITIZEN (FOR FREE AT THAT) AND GUESS WHAT, SOAK UP HEALTH CARE, while us SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS, who make up 70% or more of the economy, soak up the true costs, and all those billionaire companies who are in bed with Obama laugh at us on the way to the bank, WTH?

I don't understand why health care all of sudden became a right? When we first MIGRATED to this country, my parents worked their high tail asses off to make sure I went to private school, had the best education, BECAME A CITIZEN LEGALLY, PAID FOR THEIR OWN HEALTH CARE, and dammit, we love the right to bear arms!

This man has never run a business, never paid anyone, he has been riding on the American Dream train for as long as his butt got sent over here from Indonesia. I can't stand these hidden Muslim agendas, not that I have anything against Muslim's but the fact of the matter is that their Koran proliferates and encourages murder, and martyrdom. His consistent belittling of our War on Terrorism put's our national security at it's weakest point. My point is, if a petition went around to impeach him, I would sign. Regardless of his pathetic help on our medicinal marijuana laws. All he did was go on the news and say "Hey, we're not raiding anymore clubs"...

He is a true egotistical, self-indulging coward who hides behind his teleprompter and tobacco gum stained smile. He read's about himself daily. LOL Who does that? I bet you after he spends all day on the TV, he retreats back into his little White Vacation House, and watches himself with his wife. What a joke. On my dime. I'd rather feed the homeless people then put another cent into that pompous's paycheck out my taxpayer money.

How many takes do you think he does before he put's out his advertisements? I can't turn on the TV without seeing his face. Even when it comes down to taxing my damn soda. I am so sick of him, SICK.

He want's so much change, why doesn't he just give Americans the option of where their tax dollars go? Since everything is on the internet and that is what he's aiming for anyway, why not ALLOW US THE CHOICE whether we want to pay for someone else's health care BEFORE OUR OWN CHILDREN. Why not put it on a voter ballot style tax implementation system. Give me some choices, some boxes or circles I can fill in. If Obama is so gun ho to do this, without the approval of the other party involved 'republicans', why do republicans have to pay for the choice of solely democrats? Why not every enlisted democrat who voted for Obama, YEAH ALL 60,000,000 of you nerds, why don't you get off your ass and give $50 out of every paycheck you get solely for healthcare. THAT WOULD HELP ME, THE SMALL BUSINESS MAN, HELP THE ECONOMY.

The person above states that Obama cares about the middle man... I know many middle men, many top men, many who are crawling from the bottom to the top, like myself.

When he opened up cash for clunkers, HE FORGOT ABOUT THE MIDDLE MAN. He FED THE CORPORATE MAN. The 'owners' of those dealerships that were able to take advantage of this, yep they ate, for a month or two, however long it lasted. But guess what happened, during this time, they crushed the used car salesman. Absolutely crushed'em. Instead of reselling many cars that would have deemed worthy, all cars were totaled. Henceforth, more car dealerships closing. More manufacturers closing, and so many businesses that would have worked on such cars.

It's amazing how blinded people have become just for some free cash...

FREE CAN BE ENSLAVING... DONT BE A SLAVE TO THE SYSTEM.

it's called control the healthcare bill is a way to strip away more rights from us.i have read the bill and it has alot of fucked up shit in it.like u have to have it or u go to jail/fine.then in order to have it u can't have any guns as there health threats.on page 1000 to 1,010 it talks about a system they already have set up to go.i system that keeps track of peeps through implantable devices i.e rfid chip or something like it.everyone must have them.

[palerider7777]

voting dont do shit for the people but give them a way to think they are in power..
all of the REAL decisions are already made LONG before they ever make their way to us the people.. what do you think all of the tzars oboma put into place were.. people to make the decisions and then make us THINK we made that decision..
imo oboma did make one change we can believe in.. he has FUCKED UP OUR COUNTRY, beyond the pale and probably beyond our ability to overcome as a superpower..
everyone just sell to the asians cause they are the ones that are gonna own your ass soon enough, might as well make something off it.. lamo
sucks to be american
but im proud too, aint that fucked up??
-MG
hence why i have never voted. bottom line you can't export out all our jobs,and import millions of people and expect things to thrive.this has been happening for years.

[palerider7777]

The only thing that makes our Government suck is the fact that the majority of us LET the government suck. :mad:

I mean how long have we been using fiat money for? The constitution forbids any state from making anything but gold or silver a legal tender. And we're going on 50 something years now?

You need to educate yourself to emancipate yourself, right? Sadly though, I'm not sure if any college out there would teach this! Ha ha. :thumbsup:

Also, Jefferson (yet again) said it well.

"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."

the reason that is because 80+% of the people have been brainwashed in schools over the last 30 years.to the point of being zombies.and the ones that know whats going on know the only thing to correct this is war.is overthrowing the gov.we don't want to do this and thats why were in this mess because as long as people can still somewhat be free to work,shop,live it will keep going on.

[palerider7777]

The government sucks, they can do whatever they want and we just have to sit back and watch because our votes don't mean shit and even if they did it would still take 10 years to have a damn bill passed. Nothing we post on the forums is going to make a difference so guys RELAX ALITTLE BIT! pack a bowl or something :hippy:

this proves what i was saying in my last post above lmao...

[palerider7777]

the problem we have is the citizens of the USA are as much as cattle anymore. they move along, moo'ing,chewing their cud,ect and dont really do a damn thing to change anything, and really dont care what happens next. thats why our government has gotten to the point it is. they control everything...you think your "free"?...THATS the big joke. you arent free, not one single bit. the USA is as bad as the sovient union ever was. people are afraid to actually take a stand. anymore, if you stand up and protest the way things are done, or try to take a stand to do something about it ( under our constitution, it is OUR responsibility to stand up and take over if the government gets out of hand) , the government grabs your ass and calls you a terrorist. thats what "homeland security" does.

this country will NOT change until its people finally say they have had enough \of being afraid of the government, and stand up for whats ours. if that takes a literal civil ground war, that thats what it will take. the government, enviromentalists,ect all control the country, right now, "We The People" dont have a damn thing to say about what happens. global warming?...thats one of the biggest hoaxes ever perpetrated. all it is is a way to line the pockets of the politicians and big business. some of the smartest brains in the world (MIT,UCLA,ect) say it isnt CO2, or any other bullshit causing "global warming, its the SUN thats causing it, and natural climate change. the government and big business WANTS you to believe its greenhouse gasses,ect so they can rake in the dough in alternative fuels,alternative this and alternative that.


i fully think that within our lifetimes, we will see a civil war on our own soil and a government change.

mark my words.agreed the only way this will ever change is war sad to say but true.these fucks in power know the only way they can keep it is by keeping there boot on the back of our necks. look at copenheagen last month they were trying there best to fuck us all with this bs carbon tax.whats odd is alot of growers/mmj users agree with the gov on this issue.meanwhile there pumping there rooms full of co2 lmao funny crazy shit huh?lmao to funny.

carbon/co2 is what makes the earth thrive basicly anyone that believes this then believes that we"humans"are a plague and we should just be killed as everytime we take a breath were killing the world.funny thing tho when i was in school anyways i was taught co2 was great for the earth as the more that is produced the better/quicker/stronger plants grow inturn letting us thrive.

ps hey you obama freaks what happened to obama promising not to raise taxes on peeps that make under 250k a yr? what do you think this carbon tax will do??wake up people really...

[ShastaCoMan]

that asshole promised alot of shit he didnt follow thru with, why do you think his approval rating is now lower than any other president. even his own "people" are turning against him..,......

[jakester]

that asshole promised alot of shit he didnt follow thru with, why do you think his approval rating is now lower than any other president. even his own "people" are turning against him..,......It doesn't matter it's too late, the damage is done.

[ShastaCoMan]

got that right.........

got to be careful though in whats said, i saw a thing on the tv the other day about someone who said something cockeyed about obama , and homeland security showed up on his front step.......

[xXxbigtonyxXx]

I personally believe one of the bigger reasons Obama won was because he had help for the new generation..

Those who just turned 18 and otherwise wouldn't care to vote for "some old un-cool guy to be president".

However, this time around they see then younger Black guy as a candidate and with the huge hiphop influence nowadays they automatically Dubb this Black candidate as "cool" and "hip" without even knowing what policies he supports or any of that stuff.

Just like multitudes of Black people voted for him just because he was black..

How do I know this?
Because you can go out and ask a handful of black people who voted for him what policies they agreed with Obama about for them to want to vote for him and I guarantee you 8 out of 10 won't have a clue of what your talking about..

Not to mention MTV and BET were BOTH going balls out encouraging people to vote when in previous years the focus wasn't even 1/10 as much as it was for this one.

Basically you can thank the young people and mostly minorities for electing this moron into office. I'm not saying white people didn't vote for them because I know plenty did but the majority wasn't.

I'm not trying to give off a racism vibe because surely a few people everywhere are QUICK to call you racist if you speak about black people and are not black, i'm just speaking facts.

[ShastaCoMan]

i dont see it as racist at all. personally, i wouldnt give a rats ass if a 3ft 2 headed black/mexican/oriental mix as long as they actually DID what a presidents supposed to, as our founding fathers expected they would.


go out and ask afircan americans?...why?...CNN themselves asked a bunch right on the street why they voted for obama. every single one of them said they voted for him, most of them FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, just to get a black in office as president. alot of them didnt even agree with his views, and stated they would vote for the "right" candidate NEXT TIME, but they wanted to break the "ice" so t speak, get "their" foot in the door ( as blacks) and next time vote for the issues not because of the candidates skin color.

[palerider7777]

got that right.........

got to be careful though in whats said, i saw a thing on the tv the other day about someone who said something cockeyed about obama , and homeland security showed up on his front step.......

pastor manning? he said just what the law stated and fbi,cia,homeland security and so on showed up at his door.they are making it to where most people are scared to say anything cause if they do they might get a visit.lmao yea that will go over well with the wrong person.and when it does they label that person or group terrorists.go look up waco texas on youtube and watch what really went down,or ruby ridge.

not to worry they'll step on the wrong toes 1 day soon.......

[palerider7777]

that asshole promised alot of shit he didnt follow thru with, why do you think his approval rating is now lower than any other president. even his own "people" are turning against him..,......

he acts more like a movie star than a prez.look at how many ads he's in.he's taken more vactions in such a short time it's crazy.there now talking about giving the banks another 4 trillion.

i'll tell you what there doing,there cooking the books wallstreet is a joke.dow can't go up and obama get on the air saying everything is a ok.when the jobless rate is still climbing.and it's higher than 11%.no jobs =not enough work for the company to higher back the people they let go=verylil product being sold=dow bs.

they are bankrupting us on purpose this is'nt a fluke.they know americans won't go for say nwo,nau,or new money.they have to take us to our knees in order to get most to comply.

+ to many odd things are happening anyone hear about china's army coming in by the boat and train loads into cali? not only troops but all there gear,tanks,troop carriers,so on as if they are here to take over?there running drills day and nite and marking everywhere they go with gps?i wonder why?

hear about the head of northcom saying obama told him to build his troops up to 1mil in states alone cause there will be a war break out here by end of winter?

they are gearing up for something big.....

they are trying to cook the books as long as they can trying to buy themselfs time.cause they know that once the people see the truth and how bad it really is hell will break loose. notice how they are sugar coating everything???

[palerider7777]

it's so great huh obama fans?gov fans?have u read any of it? i think not,what about this? odd nobody is talking about this anywhere in the news???

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2 â??â??(i) a class III device; or
3 â??â??(ii) a class II device that is implantable,
4 life-supporting, or life-sustaining.
5 â??â??(2) In developing the registry, the Secretary shall,
6 in consultation with the Commissioner of Food and Drugs,
7 the Administrator of the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid
8 Services, the head of the Office of the National Coordi9
nator for Health Information Technology, and the Sec10
retary of Veterans Affairs, determine the best methods
11 forâ??
12 â??â??(A) including in the registry, in a manner con13
sistent with subsection (f), appropriate information
14 to identify each device described in paragraph (1) by
15 type, model, and serial number or other unique iden16
tifier;
17 â??â??(B) validating methods for analyzing patient
18 safety and outcomes data from multiple sources and
19 for linking such data with the information included
20 in the registry as described in subparagraph (A), in21
cluding, to the extent feasible, use ofâ??
22 â??â??(i) data provided to the Secretary under
23 other provisions of this chapter; and
24 â??â??(ii) information from public and private
25 sources identified under paragraph (3);
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5 identification);
6 â??â??(ii) activities under paragraph (4) of sec7
tion 505(k) (relating to advanced analysis of
8 drug safety data); and
9 â??â??(iii) other postmarket device surveillance
10 activities of the Secretary authorized by this
11 chapter; and

u read 9?????? notice the 3 iii? notice above there is no iii?notice how it says"surveillance"?? oh theres more.

â??â??(D) providing public access to the data and
13 analysis collected or developed through the registry
14 in a manner and form that protects patient privacy
15 and proprietary information and is comprehensive,
16 useful, and not misleading to patients, physicians,
17 and scientists.
18 â??â??(3)(A) To facilitate analyses of postmarket safety
19 and patient outcomes for devices described in paragraph
20 (1), the Secretary shall, in collaboration with public, aca21
demic, and private entities, develop methods toâ??
22 â??â??(i) obtain access to disparate sources of
23 patient safety and outcomes data, includingâ??
24 â??â??(I) Federal health-related electronic
25 data (such as data from the Medicare pro-
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3 Department of Veterans Affairs);
4 â??â??(II) private sector health-related
5 electronic data (such as pharmaceutical
6 purchase data and health insurance claims
7 data); and
8 â??â??(III) other data as the Secretary
9 deems necessary to permit postmarket as10
sessment of device safety and effectiveness;
11 and
12 â??â??(ii) link data obtained under clause (i)
13 with information in the registry.
14 â??â??(B) In this paragraph, the term â??dataâ?? refers to in15
formation respecting a device described in paragraph (1),
16 including claims data, patient survey data, standardized
17 analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of
18 data from disparate data environments, electronic health
19 records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the
20 Secretary.

for the ones that see nothing wrong with this just know this is being drawn up as if we need this to help keep track of our health.that alone is wrong in it's self being forced to do anything is.but read it good notice how u see lil key words and pharses? read down here from 17 on?? oh it gets better it's ok i'll do the research for ya k?>>>>>>>>>>>>>


. Required coverage, or the so-called individual mandate: American citizens and legal residents would be required to have health insurance or pay a fine. For an individual, the fine would be $750 per year or 2% of household income, whichever is greater. For a family, the maximum fine would be $2,250 per year or 2% of household income

3. Government-run health insurance, or the so-called public option: There is no public option in the Senate bill.

The House bill would establish a government-run insurer that would compete with private insurers

notice what it says in red?hummmm i thought this was to help people not go in biz? notice how they have yet to give any price range for this coverage? notice how it says COMPETE???? i can bet that it's not going to be a helping hand up for our health but rather big gov wanting to get in on the action.and all these people cheering for it talking about how it's about time for america to have free coverage,thats a hoot.talking about how it's about time gov steps in to fix all the price hikes and rip offs from the ins sector.lmao just wait you will find out soon enough that this is not to help anyone this is a way to gain total control of you and to dig deeper into your pockets.