Infant female vs Unwanted light ?%?

[theroc]

What are the odds that a just confirmed female will become hermie if accidentally exposed to approx 30 mins of unwanted low level light? Not direct light from a flashlight or anything like that. Is this an almost certainty; or "hit or miss" type thing? I'd be interested to hear if anyone has experienced this before without negative effects. Thanks!

[headshake]

describe low level light? starts and moon?

and the genetic makeup/history also has a lot to do with it. clones or beans? if a clone did the mother hermie?

there are many factors that have to do with hermaphroditism.


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[theroc]

describe low level light? starts and moon?

and the genetic makeup/history also has a lot to do with it. clones or beans? if a clone did the mother hermie?

there are many factors that have to do with hermaphroditism.


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Overflow light from a 60 watt bulb about 40ft away. The light was enough that you could see the plant in the dark where it normally could not be seen. Like I said, the plant has just been confirmed to be female and I have NOT seen any signs of hermie. I guess I'm just curious to know of it is possible to survive an instance like this without hermieing. Thanks. Oh yeah,almost forgot, started from a bean.

[phatsesh101]

may or may not depends on al;ot of factors

[headshake]

it's a possibility, and like phatsesh said, there are a lot of factors. so many so that there is no way to predict the probability.

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[theroc]

Understood. You've answered my question in regards to there being a chance that it could go either way. I'll just hope for the best. Thanks again fellows.

[Smorgus]

Is there any actual proof that exposing light to the plant when it shouldn't do actually causes hermies? I thought this was highly debatable just like the whole stress thing can cause. I personally will stick with the notion that hermies and potential hermies are determined by genetic factors like every other living thing on this planet rather thn environmental factors.

Countless episodes of people doing things they shouldn't during flower period and still end up with the females after they have shown sex.

[zcarlson]

its not a guarantee, but any unecessary stress (ie. exposure to light during dark periods) on a female plant, especially during flowering can certainly increase your chances of having a hermie. That isnt to say that there arent certain strains that are more likely to become hermie, or that if you stress the plant it will automatically become hermie. It just adds to your overall chances of getting a hermie.

[Rusty Trichome]

Is there any actual proof that exposing light to the plant when it shouldn't do actually causes hermies? I thought this was highly debatable just like the whole stress thing can cause. I personally will stick with the notion that hermies and potential hermies are determined by genetic factors like every other living thing on this planet rather thn environmental factors.
Someone is filling your newbie head with half-truths and bullshit info.

Is there any proof...? yeah. Myself and thousands like us use light poisoning to promote nanners on the ladies. It's one of the safer and cheapest methods of femming your own seeds. (no hormones, steroids or chemicals)

Point me to the debate. It's a discussion I would relish. :thumbsup:

The ability to hermie is a genetically imprinted survival tactic inherent in every strain I've ever worked with. Kinda like that old saying: "a shitty carpenter blames his tools". Claiming that it's bad genetics is a great way for a sub-standard gardener to blame the failures on something other than themselves.

I've accidentally left my 32w worklight on, inside the flower shed, overnight. Not something I'd recommend, but if all other parameters are ok, doubtful there would be an issue. In other words...the more stressed the plants already are, the more likely it is that the light stress will be the straw that broke the camel's back.

[Stoner38024]

hermie talk alright..

i guess my hermie's had to do with genetics.
picked seeds out of a "bag"
germinated them the same.
lighted them the same all from the sun.
put them in the ground at the same time as the others, same feed, same water.. and so on.

but ive read in the FAQs here on this site....

"""Hermaphrodites are generally viewed with disfavor. First, they will release pollen and ruin a sinsemelia crop, pollinating themselves and all of the other females in the room. Second, the resulting seeds are worthless, because hermaphrodite parents tend to pass on the tendency to their offspring.

Please note that occassionally specious staminate flowers will appear in the last days of flowering of a female plant. These do not drop pollen and their appearance is not considered evidence of deleterious hermaphroditism."""


this statement says that the resulting offspring from any kind of "hermie" pollen will cause the seed that it makes to also be hermie. is that right or did i read it wrong?

[Rusty Trichome]

You are confusing hermaphrodism (degraded genetics) with stressing a lady of sound genetics, to collect the resultant pollen. Technically...every single cannabis plant is a 'recessive' hermaphrodite.

Let me repeat...Every strain of cannabis I've ever grown has the ability to to hermie, and I have never found one I can't hermie. (autoflower strains excluded, as I don't work with those every day) It's a self-preservation skill cannabis learned nearly 10,000 years ago without human intervention.
Likely cannabis had this ability before being spread around the globe, because it's inherant with cannabis seeds now native to all continents but Antarctica.
97.3% (a made-up number to make the response look good) of so-called 'hermaphrodite' nanners are gardener-induced, through stresses of their own making. Most of the time it has nothing to do with a strains' genetics being degraded.

Granted, with all these 'backyard breeders' using metals, chemicals, hormones and steroids to fem their seeds...the chances of creating a genetic hermie increases. This is one of the reasons that I will never purchase femmed seeds. (Well, that and the fact that I fem my own without genetic malformaton)

[Stoner38024]

so if the plant becomes hermie without extra stress, its not really a hermie? or?

because the FAQs says the resulting seeds will carry on the same genetics.

what is the FAQs referring to?

""""What is an hermaphrodite?
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An hermaphrodite, or hermie, is a plant of one sex that develops the sexual organs of the other sex. Most commonly, a flowering female plant will develop staminate flowers, though the reverse is also true. Primarily male hermaphrodites are not as well recognized only because few growers let their males reach a point of flowering where the pistillate would be expressed.

Hermaphrodites are generally viewed with disfavor. First, they will release pollen and ruin a sinsemelia crop, pollinating themselves and all of the other females in the room. Second, the resulting seeds are worthless, because hermaphrodite parents tend to pass on the tendency to their offspring.

Please note that occassionally specious staminate flowers will appear in the last days of flowering of a female plant. These do not drop pollen and their appearance is not considered evidence of deleterious hermaphroditism.""""

my question is...

if u stress out a female until she creates pollen sacks, its not a hermaphrodite???????????

or is the FAQs wrong?

[Rusty Trichome]

If you have to force a female to give pollen, it isn't a natural hermaphrodite.

Every cannabis seed and clone you will ever come across will have this ability to one extreme to the other. It is a thought to be a self-preservation technique for the species, not a genetic malfunction. Stress induces the trait, but some strains have a lower tolerance to stress, and hermie easier. Some can be rightly abused and still remain celibate. Likely bad breeding practices damaged some strains making them more hermie-prone.

By the way...this ability for the female to make pollen, is the only reason there are such things as "femmed" seeds.

[MDFinest]

How is that ability the only reason there are femmed seeds?

[Rusty Trichome]

Male chromosomes - XX
Female chromosomes - XY

The female plant has no male chromosomes, so when she offers pollen, the pollen has the XY (female) chromosomes. In other words, there are no male chromosomes present to make male seeds...so you end up with 100% female seeds. (if done properly)

[bigtopsfinn]

Male chromosomes - XX
Female chromosomes - XY

Isn't that the other way around?

[LetsSeeYa]

Male chromosomes - XX
Female chromosomes - XY

The female plant has no male chromosomes, so when she offers pollen, the pollen has the XY (female) chromosomes. In other words, there are no male chromosomes present to make male seeds...so you end up with 100% female seeds. (if done properly)


So, how i saw this work was correct as Rusty states it. I knew i had to be correct on this:thumbsup:

Thanks for confirming this Rusty. Its just how i thought it was :cool::rasta:

[headshake]

Isn't that the other way around?

yes it's backwards, male is XY and female is XX.

i found this a in pretty good book, hope it helps out.


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[Rusty Trichome]

Oops. :jointsmile: <sigh> Gotta quit being in a hurry.

[headshake]

Oops. :jointsmile: <sigh> Gotta quit being in a hurry.

happens to me all of the time.

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[Stoner38024]

thanks guys!!

i was thinkin about stressing the smallest plant i have, she dont really wanna grow. i wanted advice b4 doin this, i didnt wanna end up with a hermie offspring. thinkin i'll just wait til next year to try n breed n get feminized seeds.. thanks again.:D

[polycultiv]

I belong to those who believe that hermies are caused strictly by genes and stress has absolutely nothing to do with it. Last spring I discovered flowers on a very young plant and I wanted it to get a little bigger before it budded and I also wanted clones so I put the plant back under 24 hour light and it started to grow new leaves again and stop flowering. I took 4 little clones which eventually grew into gorgeous bushes covered in flowers come late summer, and the "mother" that I started with gave me many fragrant buds without any sign of hermies. It should be mentioned too that all the plants were transplanted and moved several times, one of them across the country without any sign of male flowers.

The only time I got hermies was when I was too cheap to buy seeds and used bag seed. Bag seed comes from hermies.

[headshake]

I belong to those who believe that hermies are caused strictly by genes and stress has absolutely nothing to do with it. Last spring I discovered flowers on a very young plant and I wanted it to get a little bigger before it budded and I also wanted clones so I put the plant back under 24 hour light and it started to grow new leaves again and stop flowering. I took 4 little clones which eventually grew into gorgeous bushes covered in flowers come late summer, and the "mother" that I started with gave me many fragrant buds without any sign of hermies. It should be mentioned too that all the plants were transplanted and moved several times, one of them across the country without any sign of male flowers.

The only time I got hermies was when I was too cheap to buy seeds and used bag seed. Bag seed comes from hermies.

wow, in only 15 posts and (what sounds like) minimal experience you've already alleviated one cannabis "myth". good job man!

that's the point of good genetics. but don't sit here and say all bagseed is from a hermie. that's like trying to guess what strain it is. OG kush was a bagseed at one point and time.


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[polycultiv]

I'm assuming that if you have a bag of nice buds with seeds in them, then it's likely that the grower didn't notice a male flower somewhere on what would otherwise appear to be a female plant, (because it's actually a hermie). What reasonable person would raise cannabis for sale and then leave obvious males growing among the females?
So no, I don't know why the buds had seeds, but I do know the plants those seeds grew into looked like ladies until it was too late.

You can buy quality seeds relatively cheap. Why risk the grave disappointment?

[headshake]

I'm assuming that if you have a bag of nice buds with seeds in them, then it's likely that the grower didn't notice a male flower somewhere on what would otherwise appear to be a female plant, (because it's actually a hermie). What reasonable person would raise cannabis for sale and then leave obvious males growing among the females?
So no, I don't know why the buds had seeds, but I do know the plants those seeds grew into looked like ladies until it was too late.

You can buy quality seeds relatively cheap. Why risk the grave disappointment?

if we are going to base it on the assumption that that it is being grown for sale then wouldn't that grower use clones? and the reason for cloning is to maintain a genetic line for certain desired traits (reducing many unkown variables starting from beans) not to mention shorten time to harvest.

so with that being said, there would be no males. only ladies. so one of those ladies would have had to hermied, hence the bag seed. this would have been a known strain bred for aforementioned desirable traits (amongst other reasons). how do you suppose that those ladies hermied? how could it have happened? could it possibly be due to stress?

if i'm not mistaken don't breeders use pollen from stressed females to cross with other females to produce femmed seeds?


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[LetsSeeYa]

Is there any actual proof that exposing light to the plant when it shouldn't do actually causes hermies? I thought this was highly debatable just like the whole stress thing can cause. I personally will stick with the notion that hermies and potential hermies are determined by genetic factors like every other living thing on this planet rather thn environmental factors.

Countless episodes of people doing things they shouldn't during flower period and still end up with the females after they have shown sex.


Well but i grew 2 plants on my deck and iv had really never grew before. Both turned hermy because a deck light was turned on 3-4 times a week.

The one in the ground that grew away from the light budded up great and no sign of hermy. I would bet my grow that if a plant was exposed to the light my plant endored would hermy up everytime.:rasta:

[polycultiv]

I suppose the hermies were caused by hermie genes and nothing else.