MY 90watt led ufo tri ban

[potofgold]

here is my 90watt tri ban ufo. they are sativa/hybrids. the two on the left are super skunk, the two on the right are shiva skunk. temps are real high 92-92F*. dont have a A/C so they are going to have to deal with it, they dont seem too stressd out from the heat. theY are two weeks into flower today. my last plant i go 2 onces from this 90watt. it was a purple strian and i fimed it.

[ysername]

They look perfect! Well done:thumbsup:

[potofgold]

thanks:thumbsup: it would be alot better if i wasnt so hot.

[potofgold]

hear are some newer pics of my 90w led grow they are 3 weeks into flowering today. i am still dealing with high temps of 90-100F* ive never grow sativa's in door they get big.

[potofgold]

hears a few more at 3 weeks into flowering.

[Joefarmer]

Lookin' good! Keep on keepin' on w/ the LED's!

I'll be checking in.

[potofgold]

thanks!:thumbsup:

[potofgold]

hear are my new pic's of week 4 flowering with a 90w led ufo

[headshake]

looking very nice. i'm along for the ride.

i've been thinking about getting some LEDS, at least for veg.


-shake

[Italiano715]

Yea I thought about experimenting with some LED's myself, considering the heat output is minimal so that would help out my situation PERFECTLY!

How much did that thing run ya potofgold? What size is that grow box/room?

[potofgold]

i got the 90w for $300 when it came out, but its old modle now. now they have the 5-ban leds i just bougth a 180w 5-ban led with a big disscount because this was my 2nd by from the same company. my room right now is a 3x3 but will be a 6x6 after this grow. keep in mind my temps where 95-100F* in this grow and their still doing good. the pics dont do justice. this company gives you 90days to try out their light if u dont like them take no questions asked. if u do a side by side grow with their leds vs. hps they will give u 50% off. if u do a grow log they will give u 25%off. hear is where i bought them from LED Grow Lights from ProSource Worldwide - LED Grow Lights w/ 5-Band Tri-Spectrum design. Newest technology available. (http://www.prosourceworldwide.com/category_s/39.htm)

[weezer]

very intrested in your grow with these LED
good luck

[potofgold]

very intrested in your grow with these LED
good luck

thanks:thumbsup: wait untill i get this 180w my friend has one and he is getting huge buds all over. that 180w is going to change led growing.

[Dustox420]

with the ufo, and a few led panels, to get like a 360 canopy

[potofgold]

today i get in my 180w jumbo ufo. to take the place of my 90w tri-ban ufo. so i thought i would take some pics of my plants today while their still under the 90w. these pics are a total 90w tri-ban grow. they have not seen the 180w yet. latter on i will post a new reply with pics from the plants when they are under the 180w so we can see the difference.

rember these pics are ony from the 90w tri-ban. on sat it will be 5 weeks into flowering.

[potofgold]

it's finally hear first thought cant see!! too brite, that thing is waaaayyyyyyyyyyyy briter then the 90w. and the foot print is way bigger now my plants have all the room in the world. i spread all four of my 4ft girls way out so the don't touch and i still have plenty of foot print left. i have the light about 18inch's from the top of the canopy. hear are some pics of the 90w vs. 180w

[potofgold]

i am going to sale my 90w tri-ban ufo that i used for this grow. i dont need it anymore since i got my new light in. make a offer and the higst offer take it. just wanted to give a fourm member the chance befor i put it on ebay.

[demoreal]

why not use both lights?
thats what I would do.
I am supprised by how nice the buds look.
my dad is really looking into LED lights.
myself too.
nice grow thanx for sharrin.
:thumbsup:

[potofgold]

why not use both lights?
thats what I would do.
I am supprised by how nice the buds look.
my dad is really looking into LED lights.
myself too.
nice grow thanx for sharrin.
:thumbsup:

i will have more light then i need now because i am about to buy another 180w. so with 2 180w i dont need the 90w anymore. thanks for the complament on my grow.:thumbsup:

[demoreal]

ahhh nice. :)
you can always use some extra light, side lightin? put it on a different side of the flower room ever so often.
or mabey just a wast of energy...
two 180 watt LED lights, ur lucky.
have you used an hps before? just wondering how you think they compare?
I am thinking about getting some LED lights to help out my hps.
they are crazy expensive.
you think its worth it?
let me get this straight.
your using two 180 watt LED's in a 6X6 area?

[potofgold]

ahhh nice. :)
you can always use some extra light, side lightin? put it on a different side of the flower room ever so often.
or mabey just a wast of energy...
two 180 watt LED lights, ur lucky.
have you used an hps before? just wondering how you think they compare?
I am thinking about getting some LED lights to help out my hps.
they are crazy expensive.
you think its worth it?
let me get this straight.
your using two 180 watt LED's in a 6X6 area?

it would be too much light with the 90w led. you can have to much light spec and lockout ur plants. ive used 1000w hps befor. and the 1000w hps will win. but it was alot cheaper on the bill from engry, bulbs, and a/c to fight the heat from the hps. the tri-ban with the hps will work great, but the 180w 5ban i have will do more harm then good with hps. its like it not wise to use mh and hps on the same crop at the same time it dose more harm then more good. and if anyone thinks i am wrong ive done test with mh and hps and so has edd rosenthal, and it decresses yeild.
i only have a 180w right now for a 6x6 area right now but on my next grow i want to rock 2 180w's. today my plants seen the 180w for the first time. all of these pics on hear are from the 90w i am selling. i will post pics of the 180w grow after about a week from now.

[demoreal]

"you can have to much light spec and lockout ur plants"

do you have a link with more info on the subject?

you also think mixing HPS with LED is bad?

( I have only used HPS for flowering and t5 for vegin so have not done any testing yet, i will soon; to have more fun :))

Yet I am thinking of throwing an LED into my flower room along with my 400 watt hps. I am using a few cfl's hung verticaly for supplementary lighting right now. The plants seem happy and at peace. my temps never get above 82. That sucks about your temp. You think an inline fan or two might help, or you already doin that.

photosinthesis gets pissed off when ur in the 90's :(

I notice different parts of the plant look and grow different depending on what kind of spectrum of light I have on them. (I kinda go by the kelvin on the bulb, might be a little lame.. but still interesting) I want to see what type of changes take place with an LED.
(I look at my plants with a natural light when examinin them) I am not just lookin at a blue light red light thing...

I wish I had a house and could send sunshine to my flower room using fiber optics. That sounds like more of a future to me...

how much you askin for the LED?

[demoreal]

I am also lookin forward to new pics, Your plants look great right now :thumbsup:
I need to start a grow log on here so people can see my setup :(

[potofgold]

"you can have to much light spec and lockout ur plants"

do you have a link with more info on the subject?

you also think mixing HPS with LED is bad?

( I have only used HPS for flowering and t5 for vegin so have not done any testing yet, i will soon; to have more fun :))

Yet I am thinking of throwing an LED into my flower room along with my 400 watt hps. I am using a few cfl's hung verticaly for supplementary lighting right now. The plants seem happy and at peace. my temps never get above 82. That sucks about your temp. You think an inline fan or two might help, or you already doin that.

photosinthesis gets pissed off when ur in the 90's :(

I notice different parts of the plant look and grow different depending on what kind of spectrum of light I have on them. (I kinda go by the kelvin on the bulb, might be a little lame.. but still interesting) I want to see what type of changes take place with an LED.
(I look at my plants with a natural light when examinin them) I am not just lookin at a blue light red light thing...

I wish I had a house and could send sunshine to my flower room using fiber optics. That sounds like more of a future to me...

how much you askin for the LED?

it can lock out chlorophyll A if to peer of light is taken in. or something like that? i dont think mixing led with hps is bad.. but mixing hps with a 5ban led is bad.. the tri-ban will do fine. i have some friends that study leds and the tested the new 5 ban with a hps and it locked out the plants. and the led did better by its self and the hps did better by its self. ya my high temps suck, but they still look good for the heat stress they went threw, just wish i could see what they would have looked like right now with normal temps. if ur going to buy leds do ur homwork because their are alot of shitty leds being sold out their. like ebay ect. i did tons of resurch on my leds befor i bought them. just make a offer on my light the higest bidder takes it. or if i like the offer from the geco i might take it.


By providing the SunBurst Orange light, we not only promote creation of carotenoids, which are required for plant health, but also add to photosynthesis, since the carotenoids pass their absorbed energy to chlorophyll. Carotenoids are required for plant health due to their ability to absorb destructive free radicals, both from solar damage and from chlorophyll production, whose precursors will damage plant tissue in the absence of the carotenoids. During research we found that test plants turned a deeper green, i.e. produced more chlorophyll, with the addition of our SunBurst Orange light component. This ability to increase a plant's chlorophyll content with this specific light wavelength is an important aspect that will enable the plant to achieve optimal vegetative growth ( your internodes will be much tighter & prevent stretching due to the plants ability to absorb the light it requires and thus doesn't stretch while looking for light that it craves ) this added ability will also increase flowering production.

[potofgold]

I am also lookin forward to new pics, Your plants look great right now :thumbsup:
I need to start a grow log on here so people can see my setup :(

thanks man! ya you should start a grow log and let me know when u do

[demoreal]

it can lock out chlorophyll A if to peer of light is taken in. or something like that? i dont think mixing led with hps is bad.. but mixing hps with a 5ban led is bad.. the tri-ban will do fine. i have some friends that study leds and the tested the new 5 ban with a hps and it locked out the plants. and the led did better by its self and the hps did better by its self. ya my high temps suck, but they still look good for the heat stress they went threw, just wish i could see what they would have looked like right now with normal temps. if ur going to buy leds do ur homwork because their are alot of shitty leds being sold out their. like ebay ect. i did tons of resurch on my leds befor i bought them. just make a offer on my light the higest bidder takes it. or if i like the offer from the geco i might take it.


By providing the SunBurst Orange light, we not only promote creation of carotenoids, which are required for plant health, but also add to photosynthesis, since the carotenoids pass their absorbed energy to chlorophyll. Carotenoids are required for plant health due to their ability to absorb destructive free radicals, both from solar damage and from chlorophyll production, whose precursors will damage plant tissue in the absence of the carotenoids. During research we found that test plants turned a deeper green, i.e. produced more chlorophyll, with the addition of our SunBurst Orange light component. This ability to increase a plant's chlorophyll content with this specific light wavelength is an important aspect that will enable the plant to achieve optimal vegetative growth ( your internodes will be much tighter & prevent stretching due to the plants ability to absorb the light it requires and thus doesn't stretch while looking for light that it craves ) this added ability will also increase flowering production.

sounds cool.

I don't know much. but i think plants would do fine if you super charched them with massive light. As long as the temps are chill and they get all the nutes and plenty of co2 and water. In my opinion the added light will just speed photosynthesis and in that case you will have to supercharge all of those other factors. like that old fasion wheel barrel picture in all the plant books... this one would just be real tall. I think you would have a faster and larger yield.
think of one plant growin outside in the sun. that's alot of light. now go six feet up the plant and two feet up the plant. now do that under an LED, HPS or watever... is there a yield difference? i am off topic and rammblin sorry.

[potofgold]

sounds cool.

I don't know much. but i think plants would do fine if you super charched them with massive light. As long as the temps are chill and they get all the nutes and plenty of co2 and water. In my opinion the added light will just speed photosynthesis and in that case you will have to supercharge all of those other factors. like that old fasion wheel barrel picture in all the plant books... this one would just be real tall. I think you would have a faster and larger yield.
think of one plant growin outside in the sun. that's alot of light. now go six feet up the plant and two feet up the plant. now do that under an LED, HPS or watever... is there a yield difference? i am off topic and rammblin sorry.

i ratter test out my 180w by its self and see the diff. then just add another 180w on my next grow and call it good.

[potofgold]

i ratter test out my 180w by its self and see the diff. then just add another 180w on my next grow and call it good.

i just ratter sale the 90w and get the money and save up for a while and by another 180w

[demoreal]

I know that would be smart to add that light. I was just stating my opinion that too much light is not a bad thing, as long as your other factors are ok. I will post pics soon, and keep an eye on your grow. adding that light is going to be nice :)
your lucky. I wish i had that cash..

[demoreal]

3!!!
have you thought of any of the other lights on that sight. I checked it out. It was cool.
that 700 watt one. thats crazy.

you can give me a price...

[potofgold]

I know that would be smart to add that light. I was just stating my opinion that too much light is not a bad thing, as long as your other factors are ok. I will post pics soon, and keep an eye on your grow. adding that light is going to be nice :)
your lucky. I wish i had that cash..

maybe if i dont sale it i will rock all 3 led lights on my next grow. but for now i just want to test out that 180w by itself and see what it can do to my girls. i figure if that 90w can do what it did so far then the 180w should do great over my girls. i know with hps or sun, more is better. but some reason too many leds hurts yeild. thats what ive read/ talked to some of led makers. i dont know for sure but dont want to test it on my girls now. ill test this on the next grow so i can catch it befor its latter in the flower stage.

[demoreal]

that makes sense. they are getting alot of a specific wave lenght. makes sense. now i get it. I will study up on that. good thinking or your buddies or whatever.
peace and lookin forward to more pics. mine will be up soon

[potofgold]

3!!!
have you thought of any of the other lights on that sight. I checked it out. It was cool.
that 700 watt one. thats crazy.

you can give me a price...

just name a price and we will start the bid. what do u have to lose? a bid is a bid.
hear is that 700w inaction

YouTube - LED GROW LIGHTS/700w/90 led's WEEK 6 OF FLOWER. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc3S-x28OVc)

[potofgold]

now hear is my frined's. 42 days into flower or somthing like that. he was using the 90w like me and switched to the 180w it only be 9 days or so under this 180w

[irydyum]

I hope I'm not being an ass and I hope you don't mind me barging in here, but I have to ask some questions about the whole "light lockout" thing you mentioned earlier.

Is that suggesting that somehow LED's have become so powerful that they are stronger than natural sunlight? To my knowledge nothing compares to sunlight, and I've never heard of a cannabis plant getting too much sunlight. Can you post some info, or where you heard that?

Logically, I just can't wrap my mind around it. Light lockout?? Maybe it's like string theory, or the googoplex, and my human mind just doesn't have the capacity for it, but I'm smelling something afoot here.

[potofgold]

like i said i dont know for sure but heard it..from talking to led makers.. i am not saying that leds are stonger then the sun; because nothing is stonger then the sun. but with leds you have spacfic wave lenghts and too much or a centin wave length can shut down chlorophyll. i think its the blue spec? but not sure and cant rember. the sun just give the right amount not to shut down chlorophyll, but leds can give too much and shut it down or slow it down. i guess its kinda like when you mix MH with hps at the same time, it slows down your plant and affects yeild. like i said i am not a led maker but was just saying what i heard, and stating why i dont want to add my other light to my grow right now.

[Rubberbubbler]

I think this only happens when you have the led to close to the plant

[headshake]

By providing the SunBurst Orange light, we not only promote creation of carotenoids, which are required for plant health, but also add to photosynthesis, since the carotenoids pass their absorbed energy to chlorophyll. Carotenoids are required for plant health due to their ability to absorb destructive free radicals, both from solar damage and from chlorophyll production, whose precursors will damage plant tissue in the absence of the carotenoids. During research we found that test plants turned a deeper green, i.e. produced more chlorophyll, with the addition of our SunBurst Orange light component. This ability to increase a plant's chlorophyll content with this specific light wavelength is an important aspect that will enable the plant to achieve optimal vegetative growth ( your internodes will be much tighter & prevent stretching due to the plants ability to absorb the light it requires and thus doesn't stretch while looking for light that it craves ) this added ability will also increase flowering production.

is this answer you just copied and pasted from a website? agian, no one has came across a sunburst orange LED while browsing LED manufacturers.

i've talked to the company, prosource worldwide, and they don't make their own lights. they are outsourced. they said they have their own engineers (which i highly doubt). i can get the same lights directly from the manufacturers, with whatever wavelengths i want. i can get a custom light made for about 1/3 what you paid. all these lights are made in china (i bet).

maybe i'll start a website. lol. anyone want to buy cheap UFOs?


-shake

[potofgold]

is this answer you just copied and pasted from a website? agian, no one has came across a sunburst orange LED while browsing LED manufacturers.

i've talked to the company, prosource worldwide, and they don't make their own lights. they are outsourced. they said they have their own engineers (which i highly doubt). i can get the same lights directly from the manufacturers, with whatever wavelengths i want. i can get a custom light made for about 1/3 what you paid. all these lights are made in china (i bet).

maybe i'll start a website. lol. anyone want to buy cheap UFOs?


-shake

hey why dont you go fuck ur self and stop hating/bashing others threads? i dont know why other poeple have to do shit like that? eat my fat dick and go fuck your mom. make a custome led 1/3 the price i paid see if i give a fuck. why you have to even waist your time post bull shit like that on my thread where i am trying to post my grow log? thats a dick move right their.

[headshake]

whoa whoa whoa! i wasn't knocking you or your thread (or your light for that matter). i was one of the first to comment on your thread and have been following along the whole time.

i was merely asking you a question. all of a sudden you start going into indepth, scienfitic stuff. i was merely asking if those were your words and thoughts or what?

then i saw that they were copied and pasted from a certain website. fine. i was merely talking about those statements from that website....that just so happened to be posted in your grow log. i am sorry for not being more clear.

so next time, step back from the keyboard, take a hit and read what is written. don't try to guess what is inferred. if you have a question, ask. i'm a straight-up dude. i'll answer it. i don't need to try to allude to something, i'll tell ya. just like i'd tell ya to your face. i don't need to hide behind a keyboard and talk trash.

agian, my apologies for not being more clear in my post. that tends to happen sometimes. i start typing, my brain starts running, i have to swith my posts around. sometimes they aren't clear and concise (maybe i should go back and re-read them more).

with that being said, if anything, the fact that you can get the same thing cheaper should have provoked thought. "hmmmmm, i can get this cheaper? where? how?" you know what i'm sayin? that could even make you money.

damn, i'm an asshole. lol.

anyhow. dude, i don't, haven't and won't ever degrade or talk shit to someone for no reason. not my style. all i try to do is help around here. make this place better, ya know?

sorry for rambling. be easy.


-shake

[potofgold]

whoa whoa whoa! i wasn't knocking you or your thread (or your light for that matter). i was one of the first to comment on your thread and have been following along the whole time.

i was merely asking you a question. all of a sudden you start going into indepth, scienfitic stuff. i was merely asking if those were your words and thoughts or what?

then i saw that they were copied and pasted from a certain website. fine. i was merely talking about those statements from that website....that just so happened to be posted in your grow log. i am sorry for not being more clear.

so next time, step back from the keyboard, take a hit and read what is written. don't try to guess what is inferred. if you have a question, ask. i'm a straight-up dude. i'll answer it. i don't need to try to allude to something, i'll tell ya. just like i'd tell ya to your face. i don't need to hide behind a keyboard and talk trash.

agian, my apologies for not being more clear in my post. that tends to happen sometimes. i start typing, my brain starts running, i have to swith my posts around. sometimes they aren't clear and concise (maybe i should go back and re-read them more).

with that being said, if anything, the fact that you can get the same thing cheaper should have provoked thought. "hmmmmm, i can get this cheaper? where? how?" you know what i'm sayin? that could even make you money.

damn, i'm an asshole. lol.

anyhow. dude, i don't, haven't and won't ever degrade or talk shit to someone for no reason. not my style. all i try to do is help around here. make this place better, ya know?

sorry for rambling. be easy.


-shake

my bad bro. i thought you where talking shit about my grow/lights. i am quick to jump all over shit like that because i always get people talking shit on other fourms. every day i deal with people saying i have cheap ass lights and waisted my money and i am a dumb ass ect... and it realy pisses me off that people would tell somone that instead of just not posting and leaving it alone. yes i copyed it from that web site prosource. its been one of those days, sorry about that bull shit:jointsmile: you have to admitt yiur post did soud like you were talking shit. lol. be easy and smoke on my brother. next time ill ask instead of geeting all crazy.

[headshake]

it's all good potogold. and you're right, when i went back and read it it did look bad. even if i felt the way you say people post (which i don't), i would only offer constructive criticism. i'm rooting for you and LEDs! i'm thinking about getting some.

keep up the good work!


-shake

[irydyum]

i guess its kinda like when you mix MH with hps at the same time, it slows down your plant and affects yeild.

Did the LED fairy tell you that too? Cmon now, who said that using hps and mh will REDUCE yield? Most commercial growers mix both spectrums to get the best of both worlds, not because they want to slow plants down.

I'm sorry i'm challenging here, but I ask you to use your brain before posting what someone told you.

I suppose somewhere along the line that if you had way too much of one specific wavelength that it may do something to the plant, but does anyone out here actually have first hand knowledge about this. Not just that someone said it, but someone that has experienced it.

[potofgold]

Did the LED fairy tell you that too? Cmon now, who said that using hps and mh will REDUCE yield? Most commercial growers mix both spectrums to get the best of both worlds, not because they want to slow plants down.

I'm sorry i'm challenging here, but I ask you to use your brain before posting what someone told you.

I suppose somewhere along the line that if you had way too much of one specific wavelength that it may do something to the plant, but does anyone out here actually have first hand knowledge about this. Not just that someone said it, but someone that has experienced it.

as a matter of fact i read it in edd rosenthal's books and in mel franks book and ive tested it for my self! and i trust what edd and mel say because they a cannabis gewrus. when i tested it i got less yeild on the side that hade both mh and hps. then the side that just hade hps. and the same happen to 2 of my friends. so i did use my brain befor i posted and no one told me i read it and did it. and if you realy think aboput it its very posable to have too much on one spec or wave length and shut down a plant.

[irydyum]

I am really thinking about it I promise. Also reading and researching about it. I see plenty of scientific studies showing that there is an apex of light intensity that chlorophyll can process, but nothing quoting that it shuts down or anything.

You really had a poor yield from combining HPS and MH? And your friend? I'm just trying to figure out why. I have done my fair share of reading both Rosenthal and Frank, along with Cervantes and Soma. I have NEVER seen anything that suggests that mixing HID's would give you a diminished yield. I am simply asking you to either explain the variables that led you to your conclusion, or quote something that you have read.

Too many times on here I run into people who think I'm the asshole for challenging facts. If you can show me something that makes sense that says what you do, I'll definitely read and consider it. I'm just trying to make sense of these things, but if you want me to leave your thread here and go start my own on the subject I will. I'm curious to see how others feel about this, and what their experiences may be with it.

[potofgold]

I am really thinking about it I promise. Also reading and researching about it. I see plenty of scientific studies showing that there is an apex of light intensity that chlorophyll can process, but nothing quoting that it shuts down or anything.

You really had a poor yield from combining HPS and MH? And your friend? I'm just trying to figure out why. I have done my fair share of reading both Rosenthal and Frank, along with Cervantes and Soma. I have NEVER seen anything that suggests that mixing HID's would give you a diminished yield. I am simply asking you to either explain the variables that led you to your conclusion, or quote something that you have read.

Too many times on here I run into people who think I'm the asshole for challenging facts. If you can show me something that makes sense that says what you do, I'll definitely read and consider it. I'm just trying to make sense of these things, but if you want me to leave your thread here and go start my own on the subject I will. I'm curious to see how others feel about this, and what their experiences may be with it.

i realy dont fell like typing it all out but since you have edds books it on page 42 of ask edd. ive ran my 400mh next to my 1000hps and the side that hade both light got less yeild the the side with just the hps, and the hps side didnt have as much light. then the same thing happen to my friends that didnt belive me. then i was reading my ask edd book and he was saying i sincetific studys the same thing happen. ill have to look threw mel's book and find its page. ive also read Cervantes bible and he dosnt say anything about this. ask around and let me know? but i know what i seen with my own eyes and it was less yeild. i am not saying it wasnt no yeild but less. the reason when thigs get shut down/ slowed is the red spec in the leds when their too much its shuts down/slowes chalarphill A. i have not tested this and i dont not want to test this on my girls. thats why i am staying with the 180w right now. maybe later on down the road i will test this but not now. you are more then welcom to post on my thread i dont care at all. its all good info that is needed to be knowen. as long as noone is trying to put down or bash my grow i dont mind if you speak ur mind.

[irydyum]

I hope you didn't take anything as bashing your grow, that was the furthest thing from my intentions. All I was trying to get to was some fact to support your claim. You gave, thank you.

I'm not trying to refute what you have seen with your eyes, it's just contrary to most of the accepted data. You have to understand that if you claim something against accepted knowledge, it's going to be talked about. That's all this is, I'm trying to educate myself and others as to something we apparently aren't aware of.

In the future, if you have the time and feel like typing it out, could you put the quote you are speaking of in ur thread here. ALL of my books have been gifted to noobs for the time being so I can't read em.

[potofgold]

shiva & super skunk 5 weeks into flower. 2 days under the new 180w

[demoreal]

I would love to get that info too if you can post it or something. cause i kinda like throwin all sorts of lights in my grow.

what book? tittle and page?

cause i am also a bit relectent to believe that too much LEWD is too much or that the mix of MH and HPS is bad or HPS and LED. or whatever.

can you post sights. info. thanks.

your plants look great. nice. I took some pics of mine and will post them up real soon.
(Set this one all up and will be leavin it for school)
its what i set up for my familly. we all have cards. makes me happy.
started at the beggining of summer and two trainwreck plants are bein chopped tommarow :)
we started with soil for about a month then were over it. so its changing into an ebb an flow garden. my dad likes it. I want to keep it simple for him.
right now we have two trainwreck, two 91 chemdawg, and two bannana kush in soil. I also started to flower two chemdawg in a bucket wick thing that works great. and i have a tiny sea of green, kind of sea of green. one with real choppy weather like alaska sea. (a bit uneven). i will shut up now.
i will get the shots up tomorrow.
that trainwreck smells like a lemon pie! :)

[headshake]

looking good POG! can't wait to see how they finish.

-shake

[potofgold]

I would love to get that info too if you can post it or something. cause i kinda like throwin all sorts of lights in my grow.

what book? tittle and page?

cause i am also a bit relectent to believe that too much LEWD is too much or that the mix of MH and HPS is bad or HPS and LED. or whatever.

can you post sights. info. thanks.

your plants look great. nice. I took some pics of mine and will post them up real soon.
(Set this one all up and will be leavin it for school)
its what i set up for my familly. we all have cards. makes me happy.
started at the beggining of summer and two trainwreck plants are bein chopped tommarow :)
we started with soil for about a month then were over it. so its changing into an ebb an flow garden. my dad likes it. I want to keep it simple for him.
right now we have two trainwreck, two 91 chemdawg, and two bannana kush in soil. I also started to flower two chemdawg in a bucket wick thing that works great. and i have a tiny sea of green, kind of sea of green. one with real choppy weather like alaska sea. (a bit uneven). i will shut up now.
i will get the shots up tomorrow.
that trainwreck smells like a lemon pie! :)

it on page 42 of ask edd

[demoreal]

thanks I will check it out. :)
keep up the grow lookin good

[phatsesh101]

nice grow.

i too am calling bs on the spectrum lockout thing, although i wil go on record stating that hps usually has a heavier yeild than an mh but when theyre together the buds tend to be higher quality and contain more trichs also much denser, and the difference is grams per plant. so i agree with the statement but not the reasoning.

liike the certo dude and clogging your stomach, for some reason it works but not really sure why.

my buddy runs the two 1000 bulbs in a single hood and blows me away but he doubles wattage. .

im sorry but a 400 next to 1000 is a poor experiment ,the only test i will except is the bulb that contains both mh and hps inside the bulb at 1000w in a seperate room a 1000w hps both running sog style with identical strain environment etc. cause something as small as a minor nute difference can cause major differences in yield

and the sun gives off light in every spectrum at a superior strenght

i also believe spectrum intensity plays a role as per bulb manufacturer

any way looks good, im about to add some led to my mother room, and plan on adding led to flower maybe a procyon on each side of my 1000w and ill report on it, but i yield insane already a lb. from my 400w and 3 from a g next i plan on adding co2 and i think i can hit 5 under my thousand dual spectrum after the co2 addition

[potofgold]

all right guys its cool i belive what i belive and you guys belive what you belive. i never study it too the max because i dont real care. all i was saying is that i read it in a few books and have had a problem with yeild when i had mh mixed with hps. maybe i am wrong and ed and mel frank are wrong, i dont know and dont care. i never said it was 100% true just saying what i read. all i want to due is post pics of my led grow and not agree/dissagree about mh/hps. everyones has the own opions and thoughts. if you know somone that uses both mh/hps in one fixture and gets good yeild, then their it is:thumbsup:

[potofgold]

nice grow.

any way looks good, im about to add some led to my mother room, and plan on adding led to flower maybe a procyon on each side of my 1000w and ill report on it, but i yield insane already a lb. from my 400w and 3 from a g next i plan on adding co2 and i think i can hit 5 under my thousand dual spectrum after the co2 addition

co2 makes a big diff for sure. i want to get some co2 tanks. my buddy use a 1000w hps and when he added co2 is was alot better "when used right" plus he gets away with higer temps now with co2. that would be a nice grow to see 1000w with 2 100w led on each side. let me know when you do that i would like to see how that gose.. good luck

[potofgold]

all right guys its cool i belive what i belive and you guys belive what you belive. i never study it too the max because i dont real care. all i was saying is that i read it in a few books and have had a problem with yeild when i had mh mixed with hps. maybe i am wrong and ed and mel frank are wrong, i dont know and dont care. i never said it was 100% true just saying what i read. all i want to due is post pics of my led grow and not agree/dissagree about mh/hps. everyones has the own opions and thoughts. if you know somone that uses both mh/hps in one fixture and gets good yeild, then their it is:thumbsup: as far as leds locking out plants when their combined? i never said i knew this for sure, i just said i was told this by led makers. and thats was my reason for not useing my 90w with my 180w, because i didnt want to take that chance when my girls are about half way done. i dont know if thats true or not, i am still new to this led thing and havent tested stuff like this out. on my next grow i will test this out because my girls will be young and if they do get messed up then i wont be out of all this time like i would be now with this grow.

[phatsesh101]

it doesnt really matter to me either. im still gonna try ne how.

i heard that co2 works best in an optimized environment and my canopy doesnt get over 76f 10 inches from the 1000w

unfortunatly my veg room cant afford a/c and them damn 400 are hot like 90f so led her i come not to mention power consumption

so how is your penetration = to a 400 i plan on getting 2 leds cause ihave a few mums. strain serching for something better than what i have and so far no avail. and i need another 400 but i cant put anymore wiehgt on that circut so the 2 leds double space have the electric.?

[potofgold]

it doesnt really matter to me either. im still gonna try ne how.

i heard that co2 works best in an optimized environment and my canopy doesnt get over 76f 10 inches from the 1000w

unfortunatly my veg room cant afford a/c and them damn 400 are hot like 90f so led her i come not to mention power consumption

so how is your penetration = to a 400 i plan on getting 2 leds cause ihave a few mums. strain serching for something better than what i have and so far no avail.

from what i read co2 is best at 80-85F*. i cant realy say the penetration of a 400w hps because i only had a 1000w hps and a 400w mh. as far a veging i would say my 90w led was the same or better. ive seen 400w hps grows that suck and some that are bad ass, it all on the grower. but i am very happy with what my 90w did for me. plus my girls have been in 95-100F* their whole life and i dont have A/C in my grow room. i am sure that these temps have mess up my yeild alot. i wont be going back to my hps any time soon or maybe never. its alot cheaper to run my leds for me then to run my 1000w in the hot heat. you can always match up my led pics to a 400whps grow that 4-5 weeks into flowering. my strain is a 8-4 week flower time. so its about half way done but keep in mind my temps were 95-100F* and they are skunks

[GetThisOrDie]

Have you sold your 90watt yet? Ive been reading your thread and I am interested in it!

[potofgold]

Have you sold your 90watt yet? Ive been reading your thread and I am interested in it!

sorry i just sold it

[potofgold]

shiva(right side) & super skunk(left side) 6 weeks into flower. 7 days under 180w

[demoreal]

as a matter of fact i read it in edd rosenthal's books and in mel franks book and ive tested it for my self! and i trust what edd and mel say because they a cannabis gewrus. when i tested it i got less yeild on the side that hade both mh and hps. then the side that just hade hps. and the same happen to 2 of my friends. so i did use my brain befor i posted and no one told me i read it and did it. and if you realy think aboput it its very posable to have too much on one spec or wave length and shut down a plant.
I like this light talk stuff and potofgold your grow looks sick.
this test sounds a bit unsatisfactory.
ofcourse the plants under the hps produced more. yet to do the test correctly you would need light spinners so every plant gets a bit of mh and hps.
new test: (you all send me two light spinners and the lights and i will do it) :)

need,
2 light spinner. I like the fast ones.
and three lights two hps and 1 MH

1: grow with two hps spinning

2: grow with one hps and one MH


In my opinoin you would get a better grow with test 2 I don't care who wrote what book. we are better than them. we can all out prove any book stonner smart guy.
just send me the parts :thumbsup:

[demoreal]

check out my photos I put up of some work I did over summer

[potofgold]

like i said i dont care about that light thing any more. i dont know and dont care bro.. i can tell you one thing i moved my light from 18" to 12" and came in the room today and one of my girls fell over, just laying on the ground i moved the light back up and put a stick to suport her.. i dont know what happen but i am not moveing my light any closer any more.. now i am not saying that the light did this for sure but it happen the day after i moved it... what makes a plant just fall over like that?? it was my fault i was told not to do it. it was just one of my plants that fell. what happen she looks healthy??

[demoreal]

you were too high last time you went in your grow room.
throw up some pics of your ladies soon. the other ones were nice.

[demoreal]

man your photos trip me out.
they look so cool under those LED lights.
and you take good shots.
photo 5 is my favorite.

[GetThisOrDie]

Ya im waiting for more pics as well... my LEDs will be here in a week! Cant wait to try em.

[potofgold]

i post pics every week. how many more you want:D do my last ones suck? i need to get some new batterys for my camera

[demoreal]

no your last ones were cool. like I said 5 my faviorit. keep takin those shots I love smoking and lookin at the pics under those LED's they look so cool. the buds are lookin good.
lookin forward to next weeks pics.
peace
:jointsmile:

[potofgold]

no your last ones were cool. like I said 5 my faviorit. keep takin those shots I love smoking and lookin at the pics under those LED's they look so cool. the buds are lookin good.
lookin forward to next weeks pics.
peace
:jointsmile:

these next pics are the fun ones. when the buds start to get fat. youll see on fri day:smokin:

[demoreal]

I just started a grow in nor cal. I should make a thread of it. did you see the so cal grow i set up and worked on over summer in my albums? like the shots? it was my first grow. it now produces my family with a nice harvest every three weeks. (now the flowering tent has three ebb and flow units)
sorry for rambling on your thread I am restless...
lookin forward to those friday pics :jointsmile:
peace

[potofgold]

fine you guys made me feel bad, here are some nice pics for you. SNEEK PEEK

[headshake]

looking good POG! next phtoo-go-round how about your throw something in a picture or two for size reference?

-shake

[GetThisOrDie]

Nice! Those look sweet dude! Almost time to enjoy them...good job man.

[potofgold]

looking good POG! next phtoo-go-round how about your throw something in a picture or two for size reference?

-shake

you got it bro, on friday when i take my nexts pics ill use my lighter. their not no donkey dicks or anything like that. but not too bad for 95-100f* heat their whole life. they feel real hard and dense. i will take pics of them on my scale when dry.

[potofgold]

Nice! Those look sweet dude! Almost time to enjoy them...good job man.

thanks bro. should only be 2-3 weeks more. the super skunks will be maybe another 4 weeks or more. the heat realy stund them alot.

[demoreal]

your buds are lookin so nice. LED's work well. I have been impressed by your whole grow.
and your pics are getting better, in an artistic way :thumbsup:
peace

[potofgold]

shiva & super skunk 7 weeks into flower. 15 days under 180w

[GetThisOrDie]

Those look wonderful! Ive been following your thread for awhile and I have to say that your grow swayed my decision on LEDs. My LEDs should be here on monday. Got some strawberry haze seeds just waiting to be cracked...If i could find my damn camera cable i would start a grow log! grrr...

[potofgold]

Those look wonderful! Ive been following your thread for awhile and I have to say that your grow swayed my decision on LEDs. My LEDs should be here on monday. Got some strawberry haze seeds just waiting to be cracked...If i could find my damn camera cable i would start a grow log! grrr...

thnaks man:thumbsup: what kind of leds did u buy?

after this grow i am going to do a led challenge between pro source's 180w 5-ban, agianst a Hydro grow led 126w leds unit.
hydro grow led contacted me and said they wanted to give me a free led light to challenge pro sources 180w ufo. i took them up on the offer so next grow will be a side by side test between the two.

[demoreal]

looking real good. i look forward to that test. cause i know i will have an LED sooner or later.

[GetThisOrDie]

I got a 100w, quad band UFO type panel to try out this whole LED thing. I have a small grow area that sometimes has heat issues so im hoping these LEDs can grow with little heat! And if I can get some medicine that look somewhat close to yours then I will be happy. LOL im here sitting and looking out my window waiting for the fedex dude... my lights should be here anytime.

Did you run any CFLs along with your LEDs? Ive been told by a few people now to add a couple CFLs... so I will have that in my box. Have some strawberry haze seeds im going to crack to put under the LEDs.

[potofgold]

I got a 100w, quad band UFO type panel to try out this whole LED thing. I have a small grow area that sometimes has heat issues so im hoping these LEDs can grow with little heat! And if I can get some medicine that look somewhat close to yours then I will be happy. LOL im here sitting and looking out my window waiting for the fedex dude... my lights should be here anytime.

Did you run any CFLs along with your LEDs? Ive been told by a few people now to add a couple CFLs... so I will have that in my box. Have some strawberry haze seeds im going to crack to put under the LEDs.

nope no cfl's for me. just leds

[potofgold]

shiva & super skunk 8 weeks into flower.3 weeks under 180w

[potofgold]

some more

[Weezard]

My T fine!
You got skills.

Aloha,
Weeze

[potofgold]

here are those ph bottle pics from my 3 weeks of 180w ufo use.

more them half of this grow was a 90w tri-ban, and these last three weeks i have only used a jumbo 180w ufo. no co2, soil grow. i also have been having 95-100F* their whole life.



not too bad to compared to ur 504w from only using 180w for 3 weeks.

[potofgold]

sorry here are some more clear pics

[potofgold]

My T fine!
You got skills.

Aloha,
Weeze

thank you!:thumbsup:

[GetThisOrDie]

Looking good dude...Its been 10 days or so that ive had mine under LED and theres a big difference.

Cant wait to see your harvest pics! Keep up the good work.

:thumbsup:

[potofgold]

Looking good dude...Its been 10 days or so that ive had mine under LED and theres a big difference.

Cant wait to see your harvest pics! Keep up the good work.

:thumbsup:

thanks bro:jointsmile:

[demoreal]

there looking good. I am impressed by that light.
mail me some when you harvest. :)

[potofgold]

my plants are done growing/ stoped growing. i found out i have spider mites, when i seen my girls today. they are killing my plants real bad. bud groth has stoped in the past week. i will try to get rid of them if not i will have to pull the plants eirly

[dizzyFlores]

It's been a pleasure following your thread. I joined the community to find out about leds and just like some of our colleagues here, i think you've made me a believer. Just like everyone else, heat has always been an issue for me and have always wanted a realistic alternative that wouldn't leave me with wispy fluffy buds. I think I'm going to order my first set asap. I want to start out small with a small stealth grow is a 2x3 space. (I'll have the opportunity to expand to a 4x8 space in a couple months.) For a 2x3 flowering room, do you think a 90w 5 band will be enough? Also, what growing medium are you using? I think I'm going to be using clay grow rocks and vermiculite, hand watered for now. Any advice is most appreciated. -DF

[dizzyFlores]

btw...sorry about the spider mites. I hate when they show up. I've been sucessful with neem oil and very diluted dish soap in a water spray bottle.

[potofgold]

It's been a pleasure following your thread. I joined the community to find out about leds and just like some of our colleagues here, i think you've made me a believer. Just like everyone else, heat has always been an issue for me and have always wanted a realistic alternative that wouldn't leave me with wispy fluffy buds. I think I'm going to order my first set asap. I want to start out small with a small stealth grow is a 2x3 space. (I'll have the opportunity to expand to a 4x8 space in a couple months.) For a 2x3 flowering room, do you think a 90w 5 band will be enough? Also, what growing medium are you using? I think I'm going to be using clay grow rocks and vermiculite, hand watered for now. Any advice is most appreciated. -DF

one big adivce is not to get spider mites!lol.:D
if it were me and u hade the extra cash i would get the 180w as its more intense on the light, if money is tight then i would rock the 90w. the thing is you can hang the 180w alot closer to ur plants in that area, then if you had a 90w to cover the foot print.

i use sunshine #4 mix soil. i will use nothing els anymore. ive tried lots of diff soil and this one is my fav.

[dizzyFlores]

Thanks for the advice. I think Ill order the 180w, if you think it won;t be too much for the 2x3 space. I can't quite get over the whole thing about not having heat to deal with. It throws me off when trying to think about lighting. God luck with the mites bro! -DF

[dizzyFlores]

Quick question. Why do you think your room is so warm? 95+ is getting up there! Do you have any ventilation? I just ordered my 180w ufo and can't wait to convert my small operation to a much cooler situation. Is it just because its summertime or do you have any other heat sources in the microclimate?

peace,
DF

[potofgold]

Quick question. Why do you think your room is so warm? 95+ is getting up there! Do you have any ventilation? I just ordered my 180w ufo and can't wait to convert my small operation to a much cooler situation. Is it just because its summertime or do you have any other heat sources in the microclimate?

peace,
DF

its only because of the summer heat of 100-110F* out side over here. i have ventilation and thats how i think i got the mites. these 180w dont put off that much heat at all. if ur runing hid u will notice a bigdiff.

[dizzyFlores]

no doubt. I have been running a veg room with a 400w mh, and a flower room with 640w hps. The lights and ballasts make it so hot I have to not grow June through August. I realy psyched to swich to led. Can't wait to craigslist my hd and hps lights. -DF

[potofgold]

here are some new pics of my spider mite attacked buds.lol. ive seen to stop them so far, but lets see if some eggs hatch

[headshake]

looking good POG! (minus the coors light that is, lol!)

-shake

[potofgold]

[quote=headshake]looking good POG! (minus the coors light that is, lol!)

-shake[/QUOTE
ya that wasnt my first choice of beer, i had a BBQ and one of my friends brought that beer, it was the closes can near my grow,lol.

[headshake]

it's all good. i like the bud a lot so it makes up for it!

-shake

[potofgold]

it's all good. i like the bud a lot so it makes up for it!

-shake

thanks bro:thumbsup: those spider mites realy put a hurting onmy plants, all groth has slowed way down almost to a stop. i bomb the room killing the adults but lets see if their eggs still hatch? i only got a week left untill harvest if i can slow the mites down.
but beer size buds ant to bad for only using the 180w led for 4 weeks

[Weezard]

Way to go POG.

Gotta get me one of those miniature beer cans!;)

:rastasmoke:
Weeze

[RideTheWave]

One thing for the spider mites,put a tiny capful or half a capful of rubbing alcohol into the spray mixture. I've used it one vegetables in the garden,as well as my grandfather did in his 35r years of growing african violets. It should take care of the ones still there if any,as well as kill off the hatchlings easily. Then just spray it with some pure water twice a day(I highly doubt the water would cause mold,due to it would probably evaporate/absorb quickly) for a couple days.

[potofgold]

Way to go POG.

Gotta get me one of those miniature beer cans!;)

:rastasmoke:
Weeze

a mini beer can? lol.. 12oz beer cans all day.

[potofgold]

One thing for the spider mites,put a tiny capful or half a capful of rubbing alcohol into the spray mixture. I've used it one vegetables in the garden,as well as my grandfather did in his 35r years of growing african violets. It should take care of the ones still there if any,as well as kill off the hatchlings easily. Then just spray it with some pure water twice a day(I highly doubt the water would cause mold,due to it would probably evaporate/absorb quickly) for a couple days.

ya i was reading that alcohol and soap will help kill them? i read to mix a 50/50 mix with water?

i was also told using cigertte butts with water will also kill them

[Weezard]

a mini beer can? lol.. 12oz beer cans all day.

Just jerkin' ya brah.:)

Li'l green eyed, here.:smokin:

Didn't think that a Ufo could bud that well, when all was said and done.
Or I would have just bought me one and had a lot less fun.:D

For the borg;

No pest strip. (W/ Dichlorvos
Turn off fan at night.
Hang strip in the room.
Remove in the a.m, and place in baggie.
Repeat in 4 days. All done!
Can be used within a week of harvest.
It is a vapor, (almost a gas) so it penetrates.
Kills every last mite.
It is quite safe for mammals.
Gets de-toxed by the kidneys.


Aloha,

Weeze

[EvilCartman]

Hey POG

Just found your log. Just gotta say, I am truly impressed.

I guess my dismissal of _all things LED_ was premature. Wow, the results are fantastic! :thumbsup:

Great job on this grow! My mind is imagining this grow with better temps and the 180W for the duration. Your next run should be spectacular.:jawdropper:

Good luck with the 'mites, it would really suck not to let those girls finish up.

[potofgold]

Hey POG

Just found your log. Just gotta say, I am truly impressed.

I guess my dismissal of _all things LED_ was premature. Wow, the results are fantastic! :thumbsup:

Great job on this grow! My mind is imagining this grow with better temps and the 180W for the duration. Your next run should be spectacular.:jawdropper:

Good luck with the 'mites, it would really suck not to let those girls finish up.

thanks buddy! ya it would be realy cool to see what this 180w could do if the temps were not so high and if i used it from the start.
i just want to see how this 180w will vegg my plants?
next run will be a good one

[potofgold]

Just jerkin' ya brah.:)

Li'l green eyed, here.:smokin:

Didn't think that a Ufo could bud that well, when all was said and done.
Or I would have just bought me one and had a lot less fun.:D

For the borg;

No pest strip. (W/ Dichlorvos
Turn off fan at night.
Hang strip in the room.
Remove in the a.m, and place in baggie.
Repeat in 4 days. All done!
Can be used within a week of harvest.
It is a vapor, (almost a gas) so it penetrates.
Kills every last mite.
It is quite safe for mammals.
Gets de-toxed by the kidneys.


Aloha,

Weeze

i just bought some of those Hot shot no pest strips. i was afraid of using it so close to harvest?. i was going to try to harvest with out using them, then just hang it in the room once harvest for 2 weeks with the door shut and everything turned off.

[potofgold]

i also bought a purge iii mister. they use them in restrunts, school, around food ect. ive read of a guy using them in my Ask Edd book and he said it totaly wiped out his mites.

it will mist every 15min or 30min for up to a month.

[dizzyFlores]

Nice pix! Good luck with the spider mite bomb! The rubbing alch (capfull in a spray bottle) is something that I've done with a fruit fly problem i had last summer, but the last time I had mites, i put a few drops of organic dish washing soap in a spray bottle and gave the plants a good dowsing. i think a 50/50 mix of rubbing alchohol might be a bit harsh to the leaves. Maybe not though, just never tried it that alchohol heavy.

DF

[mojoke]

I'm about to add a 90w tri-band LED to my grow setup of CFLS and 3 sm aller red spectrumLED grow lights. My main question is can i put my light within 2-6 inchs? I use the smaller LED touching my plants and they work fine.

[potofgold]

ya i think it is 3-6" you can put it.

[CannaCola]

Use ladybugs, they are a predatory insect that eat mites and other insects, get them from gardens or insect breeders.

Don't use any insecticides while using ladybugs.

[potofgold]

today i took out the 126w led and put all 4 plants under the 180w led. all the plants arnt doing good right now so i figured why wast the power runing the 126w iff i could cover all plants with just the 180w? i hope i can get then to harvest? i still dont see anymore spider mites. here are some new pics of all 4 plants.
left side super skunks. right side shiva skunks.

[demoreal]

you don't even know how to grow your light sucks get a life. i am disappointed in you. i hate you. thats jealous me.
You kick ass. i have had so much fun following ur grow. i can't believe what you achieved with temps so high. when you start a new grow make sure I find out some how.
i want to subscribe and follow it. really nice job. and the light impressed me. i am so sorry about the spider mights.
(ladybugs). again nice job!!!
i wish i can smoke some of your bud. its so close to finish be real careful what you spray on there. i would get a nice bag of hungry ass ladybugs. :thumbsup:
i seriously can't believe you achieved that with those temps.
real nice job. you kill my skills. on my list i want a larger tent, and next an LED light. i would never had bought one until i saw this grow.
whats the humidity like in your grow room?
again you kick ass.
you still getting the other light from the company to test out?
keep up the nice work. if your ever in the Berkeley area hit me up. peace out!
lookin forward to hearing what the dried weight is. :jointsmile:

[garryzgarage]

I would be interested in your final production, I am go to betrying out leds,garry

[potofgold]

you don't even know how to grow your light sucks get a life. i am disappointed in you. i hate you. thats jealous me.
You kick ass. i have had so much fun following ur grow. i can't believe what you achieved with temps so high. when you start a new grow make sure I find out some how.
i want to subscribe and follow it. really nice job. and the light impressed me. i am so sorry about the spider mights.
(ladybugs). again nice job!!!
i wish i can smoke some of your bud. its so close to finish be real careful what you spray on there. i would get a nice bag of hungry ass ladybugs. :thumbsup:
i seriously can't believe you achieved that with those temps.
real nice job. you kill my skills. on my list i want a larger tent, and next an LED light. i would never had bought one until i saw this grow.
whats the humidity like in your grow room?
again you kick ass.
you still getting the other light from the company to test out?
keep up the nice work. if your ever in the Berkeley area hit me up. peace out!
lookin forward to hearing what the dried weight is. :jointsmile:

dodnt hate!lol.

i have to say i am very impressed myself! because i didnt use the 180w from the start untill 5 weeks of flowering, it was just a 90w. so i cant wait to see my next grow from start to finish with this 180w.

ya i still have the other light its a hydro grow 126w. i was using it on two of my plants, but took it out of the grow area and but the 180w over all four girls. the 180w will cover all 4 plenty so why wast the extra watts.

humidity is real low 20-30%. i havent seen any more spider mites yet? they realy but a hurting on my plants, i will lose some yeild and barly limp across the finish line. i hope they make it, they are way stress out.

i will let u know for sure when i do my next grow:thumbsup: and ill be going to the TOWN for my next clones so ill hit u up and will put one in the air:jointsmile:

[demoreal]

if your up in this area clones I have;
trainwreck
91 chemdawg
og bannana kush
purple diesel
candy purple
[email protected]
(in no way am i tying to sell anything, we will smoke a joint take some clones!)

[potofgold]

good looking out bro:thumbsup: when i am in that area ill take u up on that offer. thanks!

[potofgold]

last nite i harvest my plants. i took some befor and after pics. i wont be on hear for a few days but i will take pics of the weight once their dry in about a week

[potofgold]

here some more pics

[potofgold]

and some more

[Weezard]

Good job brah! :cool:

Weeze

[potofgold]

Good job brah! :cool:

Weeze

thanks:thumbsup:

[FreeDaHerb]

I believe there may be a possible correlation to the higher temps and LED effectiveness & yield. Jury is still out on that one...

Also, your sativa dominant strains imo are more suited to the much warmer temps in your set-up as opposed to a pure indica strain that would prefer cooler temps and may show much more stress at temps of 90+.

What was the average height you kept the LED light(s) over the plants during flowering?

Definitely interested in knowing your total dry yield.

Spider mites also as you probably know, will reproduce at an astounding rate at your higher temps, this is easily kept in check when temps are in the 75 - 78 F range..I forget the exact multiple but I think they replicate at like 5x the "normal" rate at temps over 90F...

Nice grow, good luck. :rastasmoke:

[wingedson]

potofgold, beautiful grow my friend! A buddy of mind has some LED grow's going, and while his bud has not looked like much, I have never had a cleaner, smoother high, or a better taste. Your buds look amazing, as good as anything I have grown under 1000w HPS. The trichrome's all look very bright, smooth, and milky! Nice work mate! I am thinking of setting up an LED grow in a Sun Hut type space, due to living in a 1 BR apartment now. I will keep checking this post, I am interested in what your harvest weights are! :thumbsup:

[headshake]

good looking harvest POG! i plan on getting (or building) some LED lights in the future. always so much to do and so little time and money!

-shake

[potofgold]

i harvested a little over 3.5 ounches dry. but i only got about 2.5 onches that were smokeable. when i can home and checked on my buds the spider mites web up alot of my buds. i took a big hit because of those little fu$kers. the shivias where able to ripen barley, but the super skunks were premature buds. i wont even smoke them because their so $hity. i will probley toss them out. the shivas were nice and dense and are some killer buds. they got me super high befor i even cured them. right now their in the jars curing.



so the high temps i had and those mites fu%ked me and my grow. the mites also web up my fat tops so those got threw out. man i didnt even get the chance to smoke my tops! i am realy pissed that those mites messed up my plants so bad. and the high temps just made them hatch faster.



i hade no chance but to pull my plants eirly, they just werent growing anymore and i couldnt get them to finish i spent 3 or 4 weeks trying to let them finished, then i relized i would take my loss and not wast more time i could spend bombing those mites for my next grow can start.



you can belive its war on those mites now. i have three differnt bombs, a no pest stripe, and some watered down bleach for the walls. for the next few weeks their will be war in my grow room. once i get this all tooken care of i will get me some more clones and start that led test between the 180w vs. 126w.

[FreeDaHerb]

I highly recommend introducing ladybugs in your next garden to take care of those terrible little spidermite bastards...they are extremely ferocious predators those pretty little ladybugs and they will tear the shit out of some mites for real. You can order them online from like lowes or home depot..they're cheap and alot of people use them in their outside gardens so it's not really something you have to be worried about getting delivered to you. Plus they are cool to watch when you get high hahah :hippy:

[potofgold]

right, i got my clones for this led test, heres the link. i wont be posting too much on this thread since its an old one. ill be on this new one from now on

http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-growing/176980-led-grow-test-126w-hydro-grow-led-vs-180w-pro-source-led-light.html#post2033244

[chasthanhburns]

I hope I'm not being an ass and I hope you don't mind me barging in here, but I have to ask some questions about the whole "light lockout" thing you mentioned earlier.

Is that suggesting that somehow LED's have become so powerful that they are stronger than natural sunlight? To my knowledge nothing compares to sunlight, and I've never heard of a cannabis plant getting too much sunlight. Can you post some info, or where you heard that?

Logically, I just can't wrap my mind around it. Light lockout?? Maybe it's like string theory, or the googoplex, and my human mind just doesn't have the capacity for it, but I'm smelling something afoot here.















I can garentey that it does i am now using 400 watt hps in a ducked hood with 250 cfm fan to cool it. i keep a temp between 82 and 95 in a 3x3 area. and you can see the spoting and browning bad under the light and at the sides agianst the mylar. 30000 lumnes is the most sun light can give im pushing 54000 right under and at edges and can garantey that if i moved my light down i could easly push lumnes up over 100000 and probably kill my plants over night.

[irydyum]

Now you are just pulling numbers and theory out of your ass. The sun puts out 30k lumens, cmon now. Per what, square inch, square foot, square mile, what?

Maybe it's heat burning the tops of your girls? 95 degrees has the capability to do that, especially if your canopy temp is higher. Why do you think mylar blankets are used for emergencies? The reflective side has the ability to reflect heat also, thus keeping us warm inside them. Maybe that's why the edges are browned too?

This is my problem with this claim of "light burn". The only time I hear people complain of it is when there are 3 other variables in their grow that are fucked up. It's never on a dialed in healthy grow that someone gets "light burn", or "light lockout" or any light issues for that matter. It sounds to me like many cases of poor troubleshooting.

[Weezard]

Now you are just pulling numbers and theory out of your ass.

True, dat!


The sun puts out 30k lumens, cmon now. Per what, square inch, square foot, square mile, what?

Maybe it's heat burning the tops of your girls? 95 degrees has the capability to do that, especially if your canopy temp is higher. Why do you think mylar blankets are used for emergencies? The reflective side has the ability to reflect heat also, thus keeping us warm inside them. Maybe that's why the edges are browned too?

This is my problem with this claim of "light burn". The only time I hear people complain of it is when there are 3 other variables in their grow that are fucked up. It's never on a dialed in healthy grow that someone gets "light burn", or "light lockout" or any light issues for that matter.

Um, Wanna see some pictures?:)
At about 100k LUX (to humans), I've had some serious bleaching.
And more from the blue, than the red, (Not heat)

It sounds to me like many cases of poor troubleshooting.

Most is, some is not.:cool:


Aloha IR.
Actually growth stops at the "saturation point" which is different for different kinds of plants and amounts of CO2.
I think it's about 91k LUX m2 of full spectrum light.
Above that bleaching does occur, just not with UFos.
I was unable to bleach tops with the 2 UFos that I helped folks with. the 1W. diodes don't have enough "juice" but the cheap ones will cause heat burn at about 1/2".


And no, they are not "brighter than sunlight".
The are just a hell of a lot closer than the sun.:cool:

Read, brah, read.

The Growing Edge Magazine - Rays of Life (http://www.growingedge.com/magazine/back_issues/view_article.php3?AID=180134)


Good info on the saturation point.

No accept dat?
Fine. jus' google "light saturation point" and get comfy.
Did not like da smell of dat 30klux comment.
We know where you got it from :S3:.:D

Aloha,
Weezard

[irydyum]

At least I can wrap my head around that, and get an explanation from someone who has experienced it. Friggin sheep are all gone bro...

[Weezard]

At least I can wrap my head around that, and get an explanation from someone who has experienced it. Friggin sheep are all gone bro...

Less Bah, more humbug.:D
Yup, old post too.
Still, it's an opportunity to share good info, yah?

1st hand "experience" is often marred by the conclusions drawn when one lacks key information .

So, I'll be off reading for a while.:)

Aloha nui,
Weezard

[GetThisOrDie]

Whats up guys...

First of all.. Every grow ive used my 90w ufo on... wether it was primary light or sidelighting... I always get what I guess can be called light burn. The fan leaves directly under the UFO brown up and die. This only happens when I have it close. 3-4" I would guess..

Its not heat or anything else. Ive even posted about it before but had no replies.

Oh and weezard... ive bleached my tops with my 90w UFO. Got pics too! The UFO was several inches above the tops and it still bleached.

:stoned:

[irydyum]

I'm not trying to dispute the fact that it's done, I too have seen the effects in others grow logs. It may have some thing to do with strain as well (doesn't everything). I only say this because I just had a fully mature Church plant that was harvested under 150w of 3w diodes, and no ill effects whatsoever. The tip of the cola was about 2" away from the LED panel.

I obviously have some hardcore reading to do, I'm not claiming at all to be educated when it comes to this topic. I can only speak of my own experience, and out of the dozen or so strains I have had my hands on, light has never had an ill effect, HPS, MH, or LED.

I'm wondering if this may manifest itself as a combination of issues, maybe an underfed plant would be more prone because of metabolism being slowed from little food. Something to that effect. Speculation at best, but I'm off to do some research. Hopefully I'll find something interesting.

[Weezard]

Whats up guys...

First of all.. Every grow ive used my 90w ufo on... wether it was primary light or sidelighting... I always get what I guess can be called light burn. The fan leaves directly under the UFO brown up and die. This only happens when I have it close. 3-4" I would guess..

Its not heat or anything else. Ive even posted about it before but had no replies.

Oh and weezard... ive bleached my tops with my 90w UFO. Got pics too!

V. cool! let's see 'em.:cool:

I'm a bit confused by the term "brown up and die"
Light bleached leaves are white and papery.
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Brown sounds like somethin' else entirely.
So, pictures please.

The UFO was several inches above the tops and it still bleached.

:stoned:

Aloha,
Weeze

[chasthanhburns]

Now you are just pulling numbers and theory out of your ass. The sun puts out 30k lumens, cmon now. Per what, square inch, square foot, square mile, what?

Maybe it's heat burning the tops of your girls? 95 degrees has the capability to do that, especially if your canopy temp is higher. Why do you think mylar blankets are used for emergencies? The reflective side has the ability to reflect heat also, thus keeping us warm inside them. Maybe that's why the edges are browned too?

This is my problem with this claim of "light burn". The only time I hear people complain of it is when there are 3 other variables in their grow that are fucked up. It's never on a dialed in healthy grow that someone gets "light burn", or "light lockout" or any light issues for that matter. It sounds to me like many cases of poor troubleshooting.




mylar is to reflect light not heat thats why growers dont use alumium foil it creats hot spots.






its real simple iridum get you a lumes meter and the sunnest day go out side and test it your self . bought mine off ebay. 95 is at the canapy why would i give you temps at the roots ? weezard is right 91k max and even then my girls feel it. now go and grow your own to find out and if your not willing to take what the growers that have did the expermentings word then why are you even asking.

[irydyum]

If you don't think mylar reflects heat you are ignoring fact.

Lumens is not how plants see light, you would need a PAR meter to get a reading of what your plant sees as photosynthetic energy. That's plainly spelled out in the link Weez provided, did you by chance read it?

Weezard shut me up already. I can't argue that "light burn" or "bleaching" happens when he posted a picture for proof. Nor am I trying to. I'm saying that if people are having an issue with their plants processing artificial light, that it probably is a combination of things rather than just too much light.

Notice how Weez thought it peculiar right away when he read the symptoms of this guys problem? Likely not from too much light, at least not on it's own. From everything I have seen and read it turns leaves white in spots. It doesn't fry them off like nute or heat burn.

Let me say again, I'm not arguing with the principle of a saturation point for light in plants. I just don't feel it's should be an accepted diagnosis until everything else is ruled out. I have seen quite a few people talking about this, but the only really good example of it I have come across on here is the one Weez just put up. Most of the others don't look like that. Hell I've even seen someone recently post they overlit their plant with CFL. I didn't post there because it seemed ludicrous to me. You all seemed a much better bunch to hash it over with.

[GetThisOrDie]

Well weez... They get like crispy amd damaged. But only the ones directly under the LED light. I will have to wait until tonight when my lights turn back on to get a pic of the damage BUT i do have the pics of bleaching buds from the UFO.

Also have another pic I found on here from someones scrog grow that got bleached... looks crazy so I saved it.

:stoned:

pic 1 - someones bleached scrog
pic 2 - closeup of one of my bleached UFO buds.
pic 3 - is the two buds that got bleached. They were the two closest to the ufo.. maybe 5" away. It wasnt that close at all which surprised me. I had no idea what it was until I did some research.


Thats also an interesting theory Iry... about there maybe being underlying causes for the bleaching or "uv damage" like an under fed plant... must do more reading but my eyes hurt.

[Weezard]

Well weez... They get like crispy amd damaged. But only the ones directly under the LED light. I will have to wait until tonight when my lights turn back on to get a pic of the damage BUT i do have the pics of bleaching buds from the UFO.

Also have another pic I found on here from someones scrog grow that got bleached... looks crazy so I saved it.

:stoned:

pic 1 - someones bleached scrog
pic 2 - closeup of one of my bleached UFO buds.
pic 3 - is the two buds that got bleached. They were the two closest to the ufo.. maybe 5" away. It wasnt that close at all which surprised me. I had no idea what it was until I did some research.


Thats also an interesting theory Iry... about there maybe being underlying causes for the bleaching or "uv damage" like an under fed plant... must do more reading but my eyes hurt.

Mahalo Gtod.:thumbsup:

I have seen that weirdness before.
Don't really know what it is, but it's quite different from light bleaching.
You'll note that the demarcation is sharp and well defined.
Light bleach has a more gradual transition and it usually affects the leaf surface as well as the bud tips.

That may be heat related, which is after all, just another form of EMR.
Longer wavelength, less energetic, but EMR all da same.
Heat rises, and still air can create thermoclines indoors.
There may be a temperature tipping point where chlorophyll can no longer be synthesized.
That is my best guess, but I do not actually know.:(

"I'm wondering if this may manifest itself as a combination of issues, maybe an underfed plant would be more prone because of metabolism being slowed from little food. Something to that effect. Speculation at best, but I'm off to do some research. Hopefully I'll find something interesting. " -Irydyum

Good call Irydyum.
Find anything yet?

I came up with a very odd effect that occurs on lower leaf as well.
Can't find da picture but it looks like a genetic hiccup in chlorophyll production.
Half the leaf appears normal and the rest is normal, but colorless, almost snow-white.
The transition is abrupt. And the demarcation is straight line and razor sharp.
I'll see if I can dig up da picture.

Dang! I hate not knowing.
He'p! Somebody, he'p!

Aloha,
Weezard

[chasthanhburns]

If you don't think mylar reflects heat you are ignoring fact.

Lumens is not how plants see light, you would need a PAR meter to get a reading of what your plant sees as photosynthetic energy. That's plainly spelled out in the link Weez provided, did you by chance read it?

Weezard shut me up already. I can't argue that "light burn" or "bleaching" happens when he posted a picture for proof. Nor am I trying to. I'm saying that if people are having an issue with their plants processing artificial light, that it probably is a combination of things rather than just too much light.

Notice how Weez thought it peculiar right away when he read the symptoms of this guys problem? Likely not from too much light, at least not on it's own. From everything I have seen and read it turns leaves white in spots. It doesn't fry them off like nute or heat burn.

Let me say again, I'm not arguing with the principle of a saturation point for light in plants. I just don't feel it's should be an accepted diagnosis until everything else is ruled out. I have seen quite a few people talking about this, but the only really good example of it I have come across on here is the one Weez just put up. Most of the others don't look like that. Hell I've even seen someone recently post they overlit their plant with CFL. I didn't post there because it seemed ludicrous to me. You all seemed a much better bunch to hash it over with.





THAT IS DEFINATLY TRUE ABOUT CFLS. THERE WOULD NOT BE ENOUGH ROOM TO GET ENOUGH OF THEM THAT CLOSE TO A PLANT. MY GIRLS HAVE PRESSED AGIANST CFL FOR DAYS DEFORE THE EVEN SHOWED HEAT STRESS.

[irydyum]

I can find lots of papers on Photosynthetic Saturation, Photosynthetic Rates, and many others as they relate to c3 plants. I spent an hour or so yesterday reading them, unfortunately I didn't bookmark them, I'll be looking again today.

The only common theme I can find so far, (that I can deduce from papers written with university speak) is that there are many factors which calculate into what would be considered the saturation point for light in a given plant species. Among them are the things which all cultivators are familiar with. Food, CO2, and Water. The levels of all 3 seem to play a part along with genetics in determining how much photosynthesis can take place.

I can't find much citing specific examples of damage resulting from the oversaturation, most simply seem to claim that it is a point of diminishing return. One abstract did point to oxidation as a culprit for damage, but I didn't really understand the science behind it.

I'm still hunting:rambohead:

BTW Weez, I have seen what you describe with the razor sharp demaceration line as well. I saw it in person on one of Headshake's plants from a past grow. I know he has pics of it too, so I'll see if I can find some. At that point everyone attributed it to genetics, claiming albinoism. That leaf stayed intact for quite some time too from what I remember.