Top leaves started wilting a clawing over last 12 hours

[irishpride114]

I came home from work and check on my plants. And the top 2 main stems leaves were wilting something bad and clawing even worse. 2 days ago I used some bud enhancer. And I didn't measure and I am pretty sure i used to much. I have been using this stuff for about 3 weeks as my plants started flowering about 4 weeks ago. Untill now I haven't had any problems other then its not working like i thought it would. I am using a 150w HPS. In the last 4 weeks it has grown about 20 inches. I flushed my plant off the nutr's today. The top leaves are starting to get hard and crack; but are starting to recover. Can anyone tell what is happening. Oh I am growing with Mircl. Grow Moisture Control Soil. This is my first grow. Pics are included. And the light is now about 12 inches from the longest stem. I have 2 tall stems and 2 short ones. I have been only growing this since April (when I planted the seed). And its a female.

[Rusty Trichome]

Always measure your nutes and additives carefully. Guesswork kills plants.

Likely the ph dropped too low when you od'd them with the bud enhancers. Next time they need watering, I'd flush again with properly ph'd water, then watch the new growth to see if it's happy or not.

The claw's will not change much for the better, (old leaves are old news anwway) but if all is well and returning to normal...the new growth will be the indicator. Also, I'd leave the clawed leaves alone. They look funny, but are still doing their job if pliable and green. (depending on the severity of the ph drop)

[fourkicks]

rusty is spot on..allways measure your neuts.srart of with small dosages and work up as the plant grows... TLC is all it needs... have you topped the plant during veg...

[Rusty Trichome]

Also, what size pot are they in, when was last transplant, and what kind of flowering nutes are you giving her beyond the bud enhancer?

[fourkicks]

rusty hit the nail on the head.next time use wider pots. they look tall and skinny plants so your pots are probably the same.bigger pots=bigger buds=more friends calling

[irishpride114]

No i never topped them at all. This is my first grow, and I was just kidda winging it. Half way through there veg cycle I did get rid of a bunch of leaves. I know bad mistake. But I know next time I need to top them hence the reason why there so tall and lanky. They are in a 8" pot and its about 8" wide at the top. It was just a standard pot that I bought from walmart. Should I transplant them even though they are in the flower stage? I am not giving any other nutes other then budding enhancer from that mircle grow crap. Is that light to close as well? Cause I raise it once the light cycle starts again.

[irishpride114]

Also, my "flowers" at the top are only about 3/4" tall. Are they going to get bigger, and when are they going to start looking like buds as like in all the pictures I see on the web and in mag's?

[fourkicks]

dont worry , after flushing them check for recovery over the next week and then start on 1/4 strenght neuts.how long are they growing as its ok to remove yellow leaves in moderation.if they grow any more depends on there age ..april seems a long time to grow under lights.if your hand is hot when you place it on the top of the plant then your light is too close. post some close ups if you can. happy growing

[irishpride114]

Yea I planted the seed in April. I didnt' know you could force flowering any time after the plants were 10-15" tall. I thought you had to wait for a entire summer or outdoor grow season to go by. But I will make the changes for next time. I will post pictures in about 2.5 hours as the lights will turn back on.

[fourkicks]

by cutting the light cycle the plant starts to flower.put a cardboard over it for 12 hours a day,, giving it 12 light and you will get some buds appearing.you can still re pot it now if its still vegging.maybe the roots are pressed against the sides of your pot too long..the wilting leaves could be the plants way of telling you this. happy growing

[irishpride114]

The plants are already in the flowering stage. They have been in this stage for 4 weeks. And my light is on a 12on/12off timer. So yea, I guess I can't transplant now sense its flowering, correct? Thanks again for all your help and suggestions.

[fourkicks]

im 5 weeks into flowering at the moment and i had to repot. the buds were just too airy. its coming on fine sine i repotted 3 days ago. its an experemint .ill let you know how there getting on

[irishpride114]

What do you mean airy? Here are the close ups. Sorry phone doens't take that good of pictures.

[fourkicks]

hay irish,they look a bit perkier today,have you noticed an improvment.they are a healthy colour green.im growing pp and one of the plants buds are real fat and sticky and one is less dense.the spaces between the buds have not filled in enough for my liking so i re potted at the end of the 5th week a few days ago.ill pop a pic in my album because this site wont let me upload pics in a grow log.some one told me you had to send 50 posts! any idea???? happy growing

[irishpride114]

hay irish,they look a bit perkier today,have you noticed an improvment.they are a healthy colour green.im growing pp and one of the plants buds are real fat and sticky and one is less dense.the spaces between the buds have not filled in enough for my liking so i re potted at the end of the 5th week a few days ago.ill pop a pic in my album because this site wont let me upload pics in a grow log.some one told me you had to send 50 posts! any idea???? happy growing

Yea they have def. improved since I flushed then yesterday. They are still clawing, but I had a problem with about the last 10 weeks. My buds seem semi dense, but i don't have the growth like you see in pictures. But Since this seed came out of a sack that my buddy had of Kind Bud, I have no idea what the growth cycle is or what the bud production will get. I am playing this one by ear, even though its still my first grow. I am living and learning as we speak. I just checked on them, and the bud leaves are looking better, but I am still going to loose some leaves ( the ones that were worst hit). My buds are infant as meaning that they are still growing white hairs, but are not producing reson yet or tri-comes. I thinking that this strand is a late or long producers. I am assuming that I have still another 5-12 weeks of flowering. Based on current growth patterns; even though in the last 3.5 weeks my plant has grown 22".

Aboiut posting pics, you have to be a memeber, but when you hit replay click on the paper clip icon and that is how you post pictures.i never posted before last night, but I had to become a memeber. Let me know what you think.

[irydyum]

I would usually follow Rusty's advice if he dropped in on me, and I'm not being contradictory here. Did your bloom enhancer contain a significant amount of N? I only ask because I have had N overdose in flowering on a couple plants and that is exactly what they did. All the leaves near the tops bent down and curled under.

It makes sense to me since N is a mobile nute it can effect the tops without getting to the older growth.

Using that MG soil, you may need to flush a little more often, and be careful using any additives. MG doesn't really play too well with others (it's like plant crack) and the nutes it contains are usually designed to last up to 3 months.

Just thought another perspective would be applicable here.

[irishpride114]

It might have ihave no idea. I do know that after i mixed to strong of a dose the next day they went to shit. theni flushed. So i am thinking i was stpid and got greedy. I know now that it got over dosed and i think flushing it immediatly was the only savior. Luckly the buds weren't effected jsut the leaves. The leaves are starting to recover, some are going by by, But I think I can recover. I got lucky and look at it everytime I come home and ever few hours. Though untill yesterday I never flushed before, But like i said earlier this is my first grow. Yes mircle grow sucks ass if you try to add anything to it.

[fourkicks]

keep a close eye on them,nurse them back to health and next time try using proper neuts. i use bio bizz as they are easy to add. thanks for the tips on posting irish,ill give it a go. check out my grow log on BRAINSTORM,VOODOO AND POWER PLANT

[Rusty Trichome]

...Yes mircle grow sucks ass if you try to add anything to it...
The Miracle Grow soils are fine...it's usually the gardener that screws-up.

The nutes in MG soil are for veg cycle. If you transplanted into it's final pot using MG, there will be a tad much veg nutes while she's trying to flower. However, the majority of the nutes are depleted enough in a few weeks, when you can resume nutrient schedule for flowering. (if using MG soils, transplant two weeks before switching to 12/12 to avoid added stretch early in flower)

Molasses' is what I use as a bulking agent, bloom booster, carbon source. Most bloom boosters and bulking agents I've seen, are molasses derivatives, and I use it throughout the veg and flowering cycles. The N-P-K-of molasses is around 1-0-5.

Very Handy Molasses Info (http://www.dirtdoctor.com/organic/garden/view_question/id/1249/)