big problem need answers

[monstaganja]

first off i read the instructions for ocean breeze at least twice and the soil is good for 3week or so out the bag no nutes. my babies were at least 3 weeks old startd from clones and potted with power flower so 3 weeks are up i transplant with the ocean breeze and i decided to get greedy i added three cap fulls per gallon and proceeded to feed. now my situation is that leaves are getting brown spots and leaves are burning up some were already burnt but catch my drift what can i do? Please help i went and got a ph tester because advice from shops around me said ph levels in the water were high also those tested to around 8 i tried to balance them out to around 7 that didn't work so I dropped them to 4 i flushed out each 5gl twice and my runoff was also 4 is there a chance for a comeback...?or are my plants done also out of the six they are showeing individual differences in how this situation is panning out but also know i am working on my humidity levels so things tend to be humid at times... please help :rastasmoke:

[crabbyback]

Whoa dude, this is scary stuff. You went from pH 8 to pH 4?

Please copy/paste this troubleshooting form to your next post and answer the questions as best you can. Any pictures you can provide will help also. http://boards.cannabis.com/plant-problems/127058-troubleshooting-form-yay-you-know-you-wanted-one.html#post2000155

In the meantime, I believe you have 2 distinct issues, first, your pH is way out of range, second, overnuting.

Post the form. Depending on how bad your plant looks/how long this has been going on, it should be easy to fix both problems and get you back on track.

I'll be online for a while so if you do the form now, I or someone else, will catch it quick, got it?

[monstaganja]

Your Equipment:
1.) Type and wattage of lights. (MH, HPS, CFL's, tube fluorescents, LED's)t5 48 flo
2.) Distance from tops? standing up right for now verticle? maybe
3.) Reflector type? (cool tube set-up, bat wing, enclosed reflector, bare bulb...) bulb
4.) Is there a consistent fresh air supply?not really fan is going tho
5.) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan?no

Your medium:
6.) Specific brand and type of soil, (coco, peat based soilless...) and anything you've added to it. (vermiculite, perlite, worm castings...)ocean breeze added fox farm grow big
7.) Size of container.5gl

Your nutrients and water:
8.) Source of water. (tap or filtered)tap
9.) Method of checking water ph. (ph pen, test strips, aquarium test kit...)ph clear jar and drop 3 drops shake and chek
10) Method of adjusting water ph. (phosphoric acid, white vinegar, hydrated lime, PH Up...)ph up
11) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule. general hydroponics
12) Any additives or tea's? (Superthrive, CalMag, molasses, Mother's Earth...)no
13) Are your ph levels stable, or do they fluctuate?first check was today
14) What is your ingoing water's ph? ...your runoff ph?8..4
15) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you spray?no

Your growroom:
16) Indoors or outdoors?in
17) What size of closet, room or hut?5x5
18) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? ...With lights off?getting a new thermostat i would say 75 or up
19) Noticed any insects in the growroom?no jus your normal spiders no spider mites praise the lord

Your strain:
20) What strain are you growing? (Indica dominate or Sativa dom?)a kush purps sour diesel honestly i didnt lable once i transported
21) From seeds or clones,, clones

[crabbyback]

I need to double check a couple of things with you:

When you got the clones were they already rooted or did you root them?
Plants are at least 3 weeks old?
You just transplanted into Fox Farms Ocean Forest not Ocean Breeze, correct?
At time of transplant you fed Fox Farms Grow Big at what rate? Is that the Fox Farms recommended rate?
Do you have the Fox Farms feeding charts? If not, you need them. FoxFarm Soil & Fertilizer Company (http://www.foxfarmfertilizer.com/feedingfox.html)

edit: And how much is a capful?

[crabbyback]

Your Fox Farm Ocean Forest (not ocean breeze / ocean spray) soil is EXTREMELY hot! It sounds like these babies went from neutral soil and no nutes to hot soil and overnuting all at once. Their roots are cooked.

Here's my advice to you:
1. You must flush. Read this sticky about flushing and follow the directions. http://boards.cannabis.com/plant-problems/153522-soil-runoff-ph-flushing-correct-lockouts-why-how-do.html#post1840641
2. DO NOT feed anything. Water only with pH adjusted water (correct range) until new growth looks normal. Then you can resume feeding at reduced levels. Work up slowly. Some nutrient feeding charts state feeding at the maximum rate! Just because the chart says it doesn't mean you shouldn't use less, just never more.
3. Fox Farms recommends that you feed with every other watering. In between, just pHed water.

MJ is picky about her pH and sensitive to overnuting. You must be more in control of your nutrients, water, pH. Practice getting the pH right. If you can't get your current tester to work you can get a digital pH meter for about $35, they are easier to work with.

The correct pH range for soil is 6.3 ~ 6.7. You adjust pH one time only after adding all nutes, etc., to your water. Also, each strain is different. That's one reason you see different symptoms on different plants. Only experience and research can help you with strain dependent issues.

Ventilation changes in your grow environment are needed. MJ must have fresh air to thrive and ventilation is key. A thermometer/hygrometer to measure temps and humidity is also a must. All too much to cover here, check out the forums for growroom designs.

You need to spend quality time reading the FAQs and stickies in the grow forums. They will explain everything you need to grow, harvest and cure MMJ.

[monstaganja]

im new to this starting as of last night so i appologize for the multi-posting my comp froze and i started a new one and both When you got the clones were they already rooted or did you root them?
Plants are at least 3 weeks old?this is the 4th week
You just transplanted into Fox Farms Ocean Forest not Ocean Breeze, correct?yes
At time of transplant you fed Fox Farms Grow Big at what rate? Is that the Fox Farms recommended rate?3 cap fulls meaning the cap to the bottle, yeah it was a bit of no thinking but i figured the measurments were close to a tablespoon as i think about it now like homer simpson it says teaspoon on the bottle.i have read the fox farm recomendations and will reply when i have them in sight, im sure you read them i guess you were telling me to refer to them.. my bad
Do you have the Fox Farms feeding charts? If not, you need them. FoxFarm Soil & Fertilizer Company

edit: And how much is a capful?
posted... i appreciate your help to the fullest..

[monstaganja]

plants were all ready rooted

[phatsesh101]

i dont think you did anything wrong just balance out ur ph and keep it consistant

I need to add mag to that soil usually after about a month so hittin em with a little nute is not bad 1/4-1/2 strength. then lets roots grow into newly transplanted soil and no newts fer a couple weeks. you migh twant to add some calmag to your water

[monstaganja]

i flushed them out again in the morning with normal water that had a ph of 8.5 and higherst top on the chart. the first drip out came rated a ph6 i also checked the entire amount came out which came to 6.5 for some REASON if someone could answer that? better than the ph4 of yesterdays results.. after 2 flushes on all 6 my average was ph6 for the worst off looking one which leaves are dwindling just the bottom ones. 6.5 for 4 and a 6 for one that is not soo bad. cal mag for the 8.5 tap water?

[monstaganja]

newly transplanted soil?

[seattlesmoke247]

Keep it simple stoner!!!!!

Hope your little one pulls through.

[crabbyback]

i flushed them out again in the morning with normal water that had a ph of 8.5 and higherst top on the chart. the first drip out came rated a ph6 i also checked the entire amount came out which came to 6.5 for some REASON if someone could answer that? better than the ph4 of yesterdays results.. after 2 flushes on all 6 my average was ph6 for the worst off looking one which leaves are dwindling just the bottom ones. 6.5 for 4 and a 6 for one that is not soo bad. cal mag for the 8.5 tap water?

Do you know the pH of your soil before you added anything to it? Do you know the pH of the nutes you have added? These things along with your irrigation water affect your runoff pH. Just so happens you seem to be in the correct range right now.

As I said before, don't feed anything else right now, not even calmag. Your soil is new and that brand of soil is known for being heavy on the nutrients.

From here on out, when you water or flush, make sure the water is in the 6.3 ~ 6.7 pH range. When the new growth looks like it is coming back in without showing damage (old burnt growth will NOT recover), start feeding at reduced rate, as I mentioned above. Increase feeding amount slowly but be careful, Ocean Forest is rich stuff.

It is sometimes difficult to read your posts. Try using some punctuation and spacing if you could.

Good Luck.

[monstaganja]

thanks everybody especially carbbyback, with lowering ph, everytime i add negative my ph shoot's all the way down to 4ph. yeah i do needa keep it simple tho.

[crabbyback]

Add pH down 1 drop at a time. Then let it sit for awhile before you test again. Practice makes perfect.

[phatsesh101]

1 ml usually drops a gal 1 whole point for me from 7.0 to 6.0 you might vary so just use a lil

[crabbyback]

im new to this starting as of last night so i appologize for the multi-posting my comp froze and i started a new one and both When you got the clones were they already rooted or did you root them?
Plants are at least 3 weeks old?this is the 4th week
You just transplanted into Fox Farms Ocean Forest not Ocean Breeze, correct?yes
At time of transplant you fed Fox Farms Grow Big at what rate? Is that the Fox Farms recommended rate?3 cap fulls meaning the cap to the bottle, yeah it was a bit of no thinking but i figured the measurments were close to a tablespoon as i think about it now like homer simpson it says teaspoon on the bottle.i have read the fox farm recomendations and will reply when i have them in sight, im sure you read them i guess you were telling me to refer to them.. my bad
Do you have the Fox Farms feeding charts? If not, you need them. FoxFarm Soil & Fertilizer Company

edit: And how much is a capful?
posted... i appreciate your help to the fullest..

Hi monsta,

Ok, so you think you fed approx. 3 Tablespoons/gal. as opposed to 3 teaspoons/gal? One tablespoon = 3 teaspoons. Therefore, you overfed at 3? times (my math sucks) the stated rate.

You have learned your first lesson in growing MJ, and most plants in general. More does not always = better. ;) But, hopefully you have flushed and solved your problem and your plants will start to reward you for your efforts. :jointsmile:

Growing MJ, indoors, I've found is somewhat like raising a kid. First you have an infant, then a toddler, then a teenager, then hopefully, a decent adult (if you are lucky). You can't feed an infant a steak and expect a good outcome. Babies need only milk, plants need only water in the beginning.

Plants can "sunburn" like we do, if put into strong sun, without being acclimated or protected. When you make changes to a plant's light, do it in stages. This goes for indoor lights and sunlight as well. Any major change in environment needs to be done slowly, or you are going to have a "fussy baby" on your hands. :angelsmiley:

Once a plant has been transplanted once and gains some root mass and size, they are toddlers/small children. You feed a vegetative formula of nutrients for good, all-around growth and nutrition.:hippy:

At the point you put them into flowering, they start to become teenagers. You can't seems to fill them up, they are really packing away the water and the blooming nutrients and growing like mad. They become horrible and unruly, they won't stay in the space you've given to them. They are no longer delicate, they can take some rough handling. :rhinoceros: And, if you don't watch them, they have sex and reproduce/seed all over the place. :wtf:

We all wish to raise one to adulthood, to reap the rewards, don't we? If you stay with this challenge for the long haul, you will be realize more than great bud.

[monstaganja]

ouch! yeah i guess i fed them 3x over. the plant hurt the most is begining to have burnt upper leaves and newer leaves are takeing time to gain size and form..

[monstaganja]

how long before a turn-around? meaning new growth?

[crabbyback]

Depends on how bad they are burnt. Are they worse? Do you see any new growth at all? Is all the newest growth burnt?

You might want to flush again the next time they need water, yeah? A picture sure would help...;)

Can you get more cuts if the worst happens?

[monstaganja]

yeah getting worse. i am not seeing any new growth at all... i sat on my camera and broke the screen lol, more cuts should be available.

[crabbyback]

If your original plants are severely stunted, they may never recover enough to grow strong and bloom well.

In the time it takes for your plants to recover (guess maybe 2 weeks), you could have new cuts coming along with younger plants that had not been burned or had a set back.

Which should you do? Only you can decide. :jointsmile:

[riderinthedark4]

You certainly are very knowlegeable about botany, I would greatly appreciate it if you could look at my post about my grow right above this one (Hawaii grow) and possibly give me some feedback. I don't really want to listen to just anyone on here, just the knowlegeable few. I will post the same questionare that was before this post.
Thank you very much,

Rider