Trimmin clones when moms 2ndary growth is too tight, nay, knarly.

[raybuzz]

Pplz. Been readin and readin on here but do ya know it took me goin thru 5 threads just to find correct pH for cloning because search engine can't handle that.

I have my new cloner running and pH bal'd water (3gals rez) sittin at 78F and ready to take first set of clone cuttings.

All my raspberry and blueberry cuttings are fine and praise be I got two 7 month old bag seed girls begging to blow me for a wicked 12/12 manage a trois rendezvous. I pay tribute to this website for all earlier critical advice that was needed.

Loud siren here.

So I am about to snip out some cloning candidates but have been freaking on the "leave only a couple of leaves" advice. Fuck me or envy me but each and all my secondary growth on these two 7 month old ladies just about has 5 to 7 nodes. And where I am screwed is that this species was bred for very stumpy, or, in othre words, very tight nodes.

My question is ---- lol ----- primarily based on the time-delay, bud-site tradeoff ---- I guess.

Is it weird or normal that the secondary growth (bud sites) shows no 3rd leaf arrays by which to take cuttings?

Many bows of humble respect to everyone's time on such a minor detail.

Please and thanks so much in advance.

[irydyum]

I'm kinda confused as to what the actual question here is but i'll try. You leave a minimal amount of leaf material to slow the cuttings transpiration, since there is no root system to carry the h20. The plant gets all of it's moisture via the leaves because we keep cuttings near 100% humidity. So yes, only like 2 or 3 leaves required, and they can be cut even smaller and root just fine. I cut the tips of all my leaves off because i use a small cloner and don't want leaves on top of leaves. Anywhere leaves are in contact with something during cloning is a spot that can harbor bacteria or mold can develop, all bad things.

If your cuttings are more than like 5" long, you can trim them down. Just because you remove an entire branch doesn't mean it needs to stay that way. If you have a 5" cutting with 5-7 nodes, consider yourself blessed, and trim the growth off all but the top 2 and you will have many excellent sites for roots to grow from.

I hope this helps, and if it doesn't, it's cause i'm high and misread your concerns.:rastasmoke:

[raybuzz]

This is my second grow and I all set to drop cuttings but I am freakn cause the moms are so old (7 months in roughly 18/6 only).

On my 1st grow, thanks to this site, shouts to Latewood and Hardon of old - my mini cab scrog yeilded 4+oz. One plant. But my cloning attempt then failed cause I approached it way too much on the cheap.

Sprang for a Julia Jade Garden $150 rig this time.

But god dammit my head is spinnin this hour from not knowin how radical I should trim back the nodes on these secondary branches.

Like I say, the growth at the tips is bud-like thick. They are budsites. I understand this.

But for clone cutting purposes - am I to understand that I have to reduce the foliage -- ??always?? -- down to just a few top leaves?

Or can a cutting actually sprout roots even if it's got like 4-6 new sprouty like nodes left goin-on when you place it into the cloner's neoprene wafers

The big question seems to be about - how to combat transpiration if I don't have a humidity dome on the cloner, and if I'm gonna have these very tight 5 nodes on average, at the tops of my 3" clone candidates?

Sorry for bandwidth faut pas but.... even Cervantes book was useless on this detail.

[raybuzz]

Iryd,

Thanks.

It is very likely I am mostly confused on how short or long the stems have to be.

I will try to post a couple pics.

But basically I went with this smallish cloner and am maxing it - first attempt - to do real blueberry cuttings - not the can species - and some real raspberries - along with - hoping for - a dozen cuttings off the cannabis moms -

I realize it is prolly diffcult to visualize but what I am saying is that on the moms, all the heads or tips of the potential cuttings, all the top five or so nodes are within an inch of the top newest "leaves".....

None or those leaves are hardly viable for light absorbtion they are so small. It is technically a bud-site. Wicked tight growth. And the stems on these seceondary branches, back to the one inch diameter mainplanttrunk are only stemming out like 8" at the most.

I think this is simply a case of the experts never talking about cloning from a 7 month old mother plant.

I'm just gonna have to razor the hell outta the branch I guess.

But how friggin close to the top becomes the question.

Thanks again

[raybuzz]

Anybody.

It sure as heck can't be that exotic a question.

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Secondary growth is essentially bud site material that has 5+ good nodes all cramped within 1". Great foliage.

So what this means I gather is that I have to basically take the razor blade to all that good foliage right down to that last couple of tender bud leaves?

Additional question heree --- Leaving me the necessary stem length to pass down thru the cloner machines 1/2" neoprene wafers, sheltered by the supplied 2" net baskets.

What's freakin me is trimmin off so much good foliage and a wicked good bud at the same time I guess.

I mostly need somebody to give me a good authoritative kick in the ole common sense butt on this detail I reckon.

[raybuzz]

irydyum

thanks.

basically just need moral support on this puzzle. Great that you replied.

basically it's simple cloning question.

except the screwup I could potentially make as a newbie cloner person, is to radically razor blade off -- TOO -- many tender nodes -- TOO close to the top of the clone top cutting candidates.

I wish I knew more about breeds, but these two bag seed sweeties just refuse to sprout branches longer than 5" tops. Seems like unbelievably compacted end(top) nodes on the branches. Like I say, bud-like tightness of nodes.

[raybuzz]

I must say it sucks how few of the socialites on this site are mostly locked into hittin on the guru's but never git the confidence to help out and share their mistakes and or learned wisdom.

Too many sheeple and not enough leaders on this continent.

When allz we needs ta do is dare to say squat when somebody's callin'.

Fat chance o that happenin on a timely basis on CanCom anymore I see.

Frickin' fashionistas. The whole lot of you turd wipes.

What I heard last month appears to be true. This site is somewhere between useless and quaint these days. Too few of you who are in fact knowledgable put up too much time catering to dips who have zero plans of ever sharing or passing on the knowledge.

It shows the numbers show how they lack the fortitude and/or gratitude to help others when and where any of us can. It sucks that spirit is gone nowadays.

Why can't any of yu mofos tell me how to cut trim dense tops for simple cloning spray system.

What. Has this site become jr high central all of a sudden?

Brothers, n' Sista's. Please lend me a clue.

[LOC NAR on probation]

Just jump in and start cutting. You want tender banches doesn't mater how long as long as they fit in the cloner and leave the tips alone if it's that tight.
We don't cut anything off that doen't need to come off and have rooted 12 inch cuttings with 8 or 10 nodes. We just took over 50 cuttings of papaya and the mother is 14 months old. we thought we would take her down and keep a clone but she won't give up. Must be another 30 to 50 coming on her now.
We don't use a dome since the RH is so high here. Just try it will get easy.

[irydyum]

Why can't any of yu mofos tell me how to cut trim dense tops for simple cloning spray system.




Please tell me that your last post was a rant and you didn't mean it. If it is such a simple system, why are you here asking people here how to handle it?

***unsubscribed***

[raybuzz]

Yeah well. I WAS mostly ranting. :thumbsup:

During this grow this is only like the third question I've sought help about. And each time it has been like pulling teeth to get different perspectives.

I didn't dare to take the cuttings yet but feel better about it now.

Thing is, these branches actually have pistils and the very top leaves (you say leave "top two" but did you (Irydyum) mean "leaves" or "nodes"?) are just new shoots really. 5-6" back down these stems is not very tender.

So okay. The cloner came with 2" net baskets. So I guess I gotta cut the bottoms out. What worries me about that is the cloner has about 20 sprayers and I plan to use Root Tech gel with no nutes in water. So I'm just bein a noob worryin how long I should let the cuttings soak/absorb the gel hormones or it'll wash right the heck off in the first five minutes without the protection of the baskets.

I realize I gotta just do it, -- but for weeks now I have been seeing pics of cuttings but none seem quite as tightly noded as these branches. But like you enlightened me -- the trimmed off nodes will become good root sites.

Some info has said it's better to take cuttings from the bottom of the plant. Others say "top". "Tender" sounds like the way to go. I dunno.

Water is holding 78F, balanced it to 5.8pH.

I should be good to go I guess.

My fault being impatient. I am grateful to both you guys.

[LOC NAR on probation]

Tender is what you want. the more woody or hard a stem is the longer it takes. Our clones are in 1 inch rockwool cubes in a smal plastic pan about 1 inch deep. Soaked and PH'ed the rockwool. Take cuttings maybe take the bottom leaf off use some root hormone and push all the way to the bottom of rockwool. Keep a 1/4 inch of water in the pan and set in warm place 78f is good. Less than a week later almost half have roots starting, all other will have roots by 2 weeks. We have tried many cloners and this is what works almost 100 percent. I had some extra ones that I just stuck down in the water next to the rockwool and they are the first to root and no hormones or are there ?

Some cut some of the leaf off and some like mostly stem. Some use hormone and some don't. The point of your rooting gel is just to like seal the cut and get a little hormone started up the stem. Yes it is gong to wash off quickly but then it is in your water so it does keep working.

Come on in the water is fine.

[irydyum]

Heres a pic of a rooted clone showing about how much foliage and stem I leave, and how I trim the leaves smaller. I suppose a lot of these variables are personal preference but this has worked near 100% for me. Cloned in small 10 site cloner with humidity dome and small net pots. I know you have seen tons of pics, but I don't know what else to share to show you how it looks.

I use gel rooting hormone and Olivia's Cloning Solution in the water. Any other specs just ask.

[LOC NAR on probation]

Heres a pic of a rooted clone showing about how much foliage and stem I leave, and how I trim the leaves smaller. I suppose a lot of these variables are personal preference but this has worked near 100% for me. Cloned in small 10 site cloner with humidity dome and small net pots. I know you have seen tons of pics, but I don't know what else to share to show you how it looks.

I use gel rooting hormone and Olivia's Cloning Solution in the water. Any other specs just ask.

Cool pic. I like the clones with no rockwool. I will do that shortly just haven't run out of rockwool yet.

It can't get no easier than a pic. That says it all.