Outdoor weed and seeds

[AeroCultivator]

I want to start growing outside in the woods behind my property. However I want to produce some good bud without seeds. What I'm trying to ask is that if I plant only female plants outside, will they still have seeds? I don't know if other plants can pollenate the marijuana plant or if only other male marijuana plants can pollenate the females. Does anyone know from experience?

[purplekush989]

if you plant only females you wont get any seeds unless your plant turns into a hermaphrodite, in which case it produces both male and female parts and pollenates itself, creating feminized seeds. plants only "hermie" when they have undergone a lot of stress (i.e. light leaks if you're growing indoors, under/overwatering, etc.)

[AeroCultivator]

That's weird :what: I don't think I've ever heard of that haha but thanks tremendously.

[Stoner38024]

if you plant only females you wont get any seeds unless your plant turns into a hermaphrodite, in which case it produces both male and female parts and pollenates itself, creating feminized seeds. plants only "hermie" when they have undergone a lot of stress (i.e. light leaks if you're growing indoors, under/overwatering, etc.)


i thought hermies produce hermie offspring.

[oldmac]

I want to start growing outside in the woods behind my property. However I want to produce some good bud without seeds. What I'm trying to ask is that if I plant only female plants outside, will they still have seeds? I don't know if other plants can pollenate the marijuana plant or if only other male marijuana plants can pollenate the females. Does anyone know from experience?

The only thing you need worry about when growing outsoors is, who or what is growing around you...like up to a 1/2 mile. If you live in an area that still has "ditch weed" growing. That is left over ferrel growing hemp that is ruderalis. It could pollinate your ladies.

If you create female seeds by using say a "light poisoning" technique (screwing with the plant during it's dark period) to get hermie pollen, the resulting female seeds will not be any more prone to turn hermie then the origninal plant. As long as it does not see the same stress as it's parent that turned, it will be just as stable.

How do you think they grow acres of females in a field grown situatiion like say Thailand. They don't plant acres of seeds to go thru later to yank males and run the risk of missing one and pollenateing/ seeding a shit load of plants, they start with female seeds. And growers there have been doing it this way for hundreds of years.

[gypski]

I really can't envision seeing all female cannabis plants growing in major traditional growing areas. From my understanding, sensi is fairly new, and showed up in the US in the early 80s. Prior to that, just about all marihuana in the US had seeds. Some more then others.

Granted, early cannabis growers, as with all early agriculturalists, did selective breeding per se, chosing the heartier plants. But, bothering to root out males was a waste of time, and would not have allowed for the genetics to evolve. Most cannabis was processed much differently then it is today, and all parts were utilized. Trace the true history, not the mythology or folklore.

Weed that I acquired in Southeast Asia in the late 60s was always very clean with no seeds, or woody matter period. It was all highly manicured and processed bud that was ready to roll. And it was bought by the match box. Seven match boxes made up about an oz, and it was $5.00 a box. :twocents:

[oldmac]

Hi there gypski,

What I was posting was not based on any myths or folklore, I lived in SE Asia for 3 1/2 years during the early 70s. 1 year in Vientene, Laos and 2 1/2 years in Udorn, Thailand. I saw first hand how they produced fem seeds to do field crops and that's where I learned it. BTW you got ripped off, Thai stick was sold as bricks of 20 sticks, cost about $1.00 per brick. I would send my driver out with $5.00/american and he'd come back with 7-8 bricks.

As to your notion that sensi is new to abt the '80s, oh please spare me.
In 1940 as a lad of 10yrs old I was sent to live on my aunt and uncles farm in South Carolina, mostly tobbaco, a fair amount of hemp and row crops. By the age of 11 I had learn from the hispanic workers how to sex a plant and to remove males from the small patches they tended in the shrub/tree rows between fields. I did not even know what marijuana was, we called it "wildwood weed". But the end product they grew was seedless, witch in spanish is sensimella.

Hope this helps with any confusion you might have on the history.

[purplekush989]

That's weird :what: I don't think I've ever heard of that haha but thanks tremendously.

keep reading, you'll learn a lot :thumbsup:

[gypski]

Just following up, if the Vietnamese also developed a process of getting only female seeds without any of the tampering required today in the early 70s, and the term sen simellia, is Spanish for without seeds, what was the same term the Vietnamese used in Vietnamese? Did they borrow the term from the Spanish? Since cannabis has been in Southeast Asia for centuries, you would think they had their own distinct term. And, I haven't seen anything along those lines mentioned by R.C. Clarke in his books. :thumbsup:

[oldmac]

The spanish word sensimilla does not just apply to mj as in marijuana sensimilla (seedless pot) but also uva sensimilla (seedless fruit). It's the english speaking world that apparently made it synonymous with high grade mj.

I can't help you with Vietnamese, I was only in that country 3 times all less then 12hrs to teach a communications course at LongBinh (I worked as a civilian contractor for Federal Electric ITT) and that was fine by me. I did not really like it there. I'm sure they had a name for it tho, because like Thai they had words for everything. In english we say hot, but in Thai there are 2 words for hot, one means spicy hot the other means temperture hot.

I have saved on my computer a paper on Marijuana botany / growing by R.C. Clarke, I assume it is the same person. I was unaware he wrote anything about the history of mj cultivation, but I'm sure he could have, I'm just not familiar with it.

[gypski]

He doesn't even mention it in Hashish!. He give a very good history of cannabis and its movement over time, and if sensi was a major factor, I'm sure it would get at least a minor mention. Cannabis's main intorduction to the west was with the Scythians, out of the Central Asia Steppes, who smoked themselves out by placing the whole flower, seeds, stems, etc in a burner inside a little personal tent-like head cover and inhaled the smoke that way. And they got it from someone else in Asia. He goes on to do the history of hash production around the globe. Very interesting and informative book. It can be had on amazon. :thumbsup:

[oldmac]

Not sure everybody has seen this, but since we were talking about the history of cultivation of mj thought it was interesting. The find dispelled the commonly held scientific view that mj was cultivated just for it's fiber by the ancients, this was medicine or for psychoactive use.

:thumbsup:dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/12/03

[gypski]

Not sure everybody has seen this, but since we were talking about the history of cultivation of mj thought it was interesting. The find dispelled the commonly held scientific view that mj was cultivated just for it's fiber by the ancients, this was medicine or for psychoactive use.

:thumbsup:dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/12/03

Sorry the page is unavailable is what I get. :(

[oldmac]

Sorry about that, many of these links seem to be cached. But I can pull them up from my favorites. I have had this problem before.

Gypski if your interested, google "2700 year old stash", and there are a bunch of different news stories; disc, msnbc etc.

Later if I have a chance I'll try to link it again. Damn thing worked off the preview screen for me, but above would not.

[gypski]

Sorry about that, many of these links seem to be cached. But I can pull them up from my favorites. I have had this problem before.

Gypski if your interested, google "2700 year old stash", and there are a bunch of different news stories; disc, msnbc etc.

Later if I have a chance I'll try to link it again. Damn thing worked off the preview screen for me, but above would not.

I read about that one. I'm sure, in time, they will find older caches of cannabis, althought most likely not in North America. I would like to see them try and sprout some of the seeds they recovered from the cache!!! :D

When I was a grad student, we had a Chinese collection from the gold mining days, and there were a number of opium related items in the collection such as pipe bowls and opium tins. Cannabis related items may be found in this context in NA. :thumbsup: Don't ask, don't tell!!!!! :smokin:

[AeroCultivator]

Thanks everyone! :rastasmoke:
I have a new post up about my plants and their problems.